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Zorn List Digest       Monday, October 12 1998       Volume 02 : Number 498



In this issue:
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       Anyone got a clue what happened to the movie, New York Eye and Ear Control?
       Re: Anyone got a clue what happened to the movie, New York Eye and Ear Control?
       Re: context
       to: Seattlites re: Mount Analog
       Re: context
       Another Zorn album...
       O'Rourke/Null
       Re: Recent Goddies + female voices
       Sub Rosa Subsonic Series
       [none]
       Re: Anyone got a clue what happened to the movie
       Phoenix article
       [Fwd: Another Zorn album...]
       Re: Another Zorn album...
       Re: Another Zorn album...

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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:42:45 PDT
From: "John Dikeman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Anyone got a clue what happened to the movie, New York Eye and Ear Control?

I just got the soundtrack to this movie by Michael Snowdon, with Albert
Ayler, Don Cherry, and John Tchiani(sp?) on it.  It's really great, but,
what I was woundering, what ever happened to the movie.  Has anyone ever
seen it?  Is there anyplace you could order it from.  I'd give an arm
and a leg to see how this music was interprited.

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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:03:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Anyone got a clue what happened to the movie, New York Eye and Ear Control?

The film was screened at the Guelph Jazz Festival at the end of
September. The most important thing to note is that the film is by
Canadian painter Michael *Snow*, who continues to perform as an
improvising pianist with the CCMC.

I'm not sure if the work is commercially available, but if you query the
Music Gallery in Toronto (where the CCMC performs once a week) and/or the
Art Gallery of Ontario in Toronto, both of which have Web pages, I'm sure
someone could lead you on to Snow and/or a distributor.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]



On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, John Dikeman wrote:

> I just got the soundtrack to this movie by Michael Snowdon, with Albert
> Ayler, Don Cherry, and John Tchiani(sp?) on it.  It's really great, but,
> what I was woundering, what ever happened to the movie.  Has anyone ever
> seen it?  Is there anyplace you could order it from.  I'd give an arm
> and a leg to see how this music was interprited.
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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>
>

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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:57:40 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: context

William York wrote:
>
> Tom Pratt wrote: This whole thing with context is a major
> > *problem* I've had with Zorn's music from the beginning. Often times, I
> > feel all Zorn's compositional basis is just new context for established
> > ideas (ie his influences).
>
> This would be true for a lot of people: Miles Davis and Ornette Coleman
> for example, they continually changed the settings they played in but
> the things that made them THEM were or are there, for better or worse.

Yes, but the difference as I see it is that Ornette and Miles brought
new context to established concepts by applying them to unique concepts
of their OWN. Whereas with Zorn, I often find, he brings established
concepts together with OTHER established concepts and NOT much of his
own.

> >For instance Masada=Ornette Coleman 4tet + Jewish music
>
> I think this has more to do with instrumentation though

Yes, exactly! A *consciously* borrowed instrumentation from Ornette's
quartet applied to Jewish music. I was not inferring anything more than
that.

> As for Spy vs. Spy, I think while it is, as you say, "hardcore + Ornette",
> there are a lot of connections that make this a logical and pretty natural
> combination.

It's absolutely a logical combination! However, Spy Vs. Spy comes off,
to me, as being very gimmicky and forced - more of a novelty item than
anything else. Brotzmann's Machine Gun on the other hand is very natural
and pure abrasive music. Painkiller comes off this way too which is why,
for me, it's one of the more important Zorn projects (though I generally
don't care much for Laswell).

        -Tom "waiting to be exiled from this list" Pratt

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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:43:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bramy <[e-mail]>
Subject: to: Seattlites re: Mount Analog

Did any of my Seattle brothers out there record the Mount Analog set last
weekend? It was on the Sonarchy Radio Hour on KCMU. I was unable to hear it
or tape it. Can somebody hook me up?

Todd



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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:24:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: context

Tom Pratt wrote:

> Yes, but the difference as I see it is that Ornette and
> Miles brought
> new context to established concepts by applying them to unique concepts
> of their OWN. Whereas with Zorn, I often find, he brings established
> concepts together with OTHER established concepts and NOT much of his
> own.

So maybe its not as true of the more linear stuff like Spy vs. Spy or
Masada, but I think there is a definate connection, as far as his
approach and staying consistent with his own ideas, between the game
pieces, the Kurt Weill arrangement, Spillane, Locus Solus, Classic Guide
to Strategy, much of the Naked City stuff (Speedfreaks, NY Flat Top Box,
Saigon Pickup), some of the arrangements for the Big Gundown, Carny, and
others.  They all have in common the sound block form, as in the quick
changes from one section to another.  Sometimes it is done with
genre-switching but not always.  But, with a lot of recent stuff he seems
to have stopped writing in this way.

>
> > As for Spy vs. Spy, I think while it is, as you say, "hardcore + Ornette",
> > there are a lot of connections that make this a logical and pretty natural
> > combination.
>
> It's absolutely a logical combination! However, Spy Vs. Spy comes off,
> to me, as being very gimmicky and forced - more of a novelty item than
> anything else.

So this is just a difference of opinion, I guess.  But I remember reading
something about how the Ornette project developed over a period
beginning in '84 or something, when they would just play
Ornette songs for the fun of it, so they wouldn't have to worry
about "some neurotic bebopper saying we weren't running the
changes properly" (some quote like that).  And then over the
years it became what ended up on the record.

This same idea is what made me give Derek Bailey another
chance,.  I first found his approach to be very arbitrary and
unconnected from 'reality'.  Then when i was reading his book
he outlined the changes that took place gradually during the
60s that led to his playing in such a way.  Not that reading
and understanding where someone is coming from, on paper, makes
it sound any different, but it made me listen to it in a more
openminded way.

But there are plenty of other gimmicky things in music - think
about Ives simulating two marching bands passing each other.
It's not much different than the comparisons people have made
about Zorn's stuff sounding like flipping through a radio dial.
Maybe both of these approaches are gimmicky as far as imposing
foreign, non traditionally musical forms onto music, but I
guess the more you like how it sounds, the less gimmicky it
seems.  These approaches have their dead ends as much as verse chorus
verse songwriting, free improv, or 12 bar blues do.  Thatt's my beat guess
as to why he started writing melodies and doing all the Masada stuff.

Of course there are plenty of holes in my arguments and I may actually
have no idea what I'm talking about. ??

WY


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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:09:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Another Zorn album...

On October 20th there is apparently a Zorn Album called Music For Romance,
Volume 1. Is there a cheesy guy with the same name releasing albums or is this
actually John? :) any information would be appreciated. it's not a filmworks
release..

from,
matt

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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:38:15 -0500
From: "Landon Thorpe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: O'Rourke/Null

> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:41:50 +0000
> From: "Charles Gillett" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: guitar albums and things
>
> On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:05:13 -0500, "Landon Thorpe" wrote:
> > Here are a few good ones: [...]
> > Jim O'Rourke/K.K. Null--New Kind of Water (np, btw; should be called New
> > Kind of Noisy)
>
>    Can you tell me more about this album?  I haven't been able to
> find a track list or any information on it; is there any indication
> why it's named after a This Heat song?
>

Sorry about the delayed response. I get the digest, plus I've been away this
weekend.

Info on Null/O'Rourke (from the CD leaflet):

- ----------
K.K Null & Jim O'Rourke
_New Kind of Water_
Charnel House: CHCD 6
Charnel House Productions, P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco, CA 94117-0277 USA

01. Abyss
02. Gibakaze
03. Live at lounge axe pt 1
04. Septic moon
05. Neuro geometry
06. Live at lounge axe pt 2
07. Operation DNA

All titles composed and improvised by Kazuyuki K. Null and Jim O'Rourke
Recorded on January-February 1991 and June 1992
Tracks 3. and 6. were recorded live at LOUNGE AXE, Chicago, August 8th, 1992
All tracks are guitar duets
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Could someone more enlightened about This Heat give us an idea about the
significance of the title? I know they've been discussed here before.

> > On other recent subjects:
> > Speaking of the Sub Rosa Duo series, anyone have any comments on the
> > Frere-Jones/Mazzacane Connors disc?
>
>    I've seen it around, but haven't gotten it.  What is the point of
> this series, anyway?  The split-LP format isn't very appealing.

I've had good luck with the Justin K. Broadrick/Andy Hawkins album and the
Caspar Brotzmann/Page Hamilton album, which is a collaboration, actually.
Anyone know what Brotzmann the younger has been up to lately? Been kind of
quiet.

Speaking of quiet, more quiet improv--Gunter Muller/Jim O'Rourke _Weighting_
on For Four Ears is a very subtle and beautiful album. Instrumentation
includes piano, organ, lap steel, percussion, and electronics. Anyone else
heard this one?

Enjoying the respite from the heat,

Landon Thorpe


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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:53:10 -0400
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Recent Goddies + female voices

At 10:20 PM +0100 10/8/98, Felix wrote:
>And now for my question. I'm looking for some female vocalists, and am
>particularly interested in Shelley Hirsh and Diamanda Galas (of which i
>don't know anything except 'Metamorfosi' from The Big Gundown). Any
>reccomendations would be really appreciated.

If you like Shelley Hirsh, then you should check out some other 'classical'
works by Ligeti ("Aventures" and "Nouvelles Aventures", among others) Berio
("Sequenza III" and "Circles"), and of course John Cage. Also, don't miss
recordings by Joan La Barbara and Cathy Berberian.

On that note, I've often wondered if Zorn has ever entertained a
'classical' comission for a work for solo (baritone) voice. Anyone ever
heard of such a thing?


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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:18:54 -0500
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sub Rosa Subsonic Series

> > On other recent subjects:
> > Speaking of the Sub Rosa Duo series, anyone have any comments on the
> > Frere-Jones/Mazzacane Connors disc?
>
>    I've seen it around, but haven't gotten it.  What is the point of
> this series, anyway?  The split-LP format isn't very appealing.

The Frere-Jones/Connors CD is quite good.  If you like Connors style, the
Frere-Jones stuff (while being somewhat different)  compliments it well.
I've been happy with the whole series, and can't wait for more.

As to what the point of the series is, I would imagine it is an attempt to
expose people to new things they wouldn't ordinarily get.  By pairing
Frere-Jones with Connors, fans of Connors might find something new to like
as well.  For me it hasn't been difficult thus far, as I've liked almost
everyone they've had in the series before buying the discs.

Matter of taste, I guess.



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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:29:15 -0500
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

>Speaking of quiet, more quiet improv--Gunter Muller/Jim O'Rourke _Weighting_
>on For Four Ears is a very subtle and beautiful album. Instrumentation
>includes piano, organ, lap steel, percussion, and electronics. Anyone else
>heard this one?

Very good disc.  If you like that one, also try Slow Motion (also
Muller/O'Rourke) which is along the same lines, and Table Chair and
Hatstand (Muller/O'Rourke/Voice Crack) which adds some more noise and
electronics - All on For Four Ears.  Also on that label - Gunter Muller and
Christian Marclay - Live Improvisations.  As you might imagine, somewhat
noisier than the previous three Muller albums mentioned.  Interesting,
though.



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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:47:41 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Anyone got a clue what happened to the movie

It was shown at the (Re)Soundings Festival in Atlanta last July, though it
was rescheduled at the last moment so I wasn't able to see it.  As far as I
know, none of Snow's films are available on video.  LT



At 10:42 AM 10/11/98 PDT, you wrote:
>I just got the soundtrack to this movie by Michael Snowdon, with Albert
>Ayler, Don Cherry, and John Tchiani(sp?) on it.  It's really great, but,
>what I was woundering, what ever happened to the movie.  Has anyone ever

- ------------------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4

New at the Funhouse website:  Did Elvis Steal Rock 'n'
Roll?, The X-Files Movie Bites!, music reviews

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:42:24 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Phoenix article

The Boston Phoenix Zorn et al article is online at:
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/98/10/08/JEWS.html



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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:30:19 -0700
From: Anne & Dan Dellosso <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: Another Zorn album...]

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[e-mail] wrote:

> On October 20th there is apparently a Zorn Album called Music For Romance,
> Volume 1. Is there a cheesy guy with the same name releasing albums or is this
> actually John? :) any information would be appreciated. it's not a filmworks
> release..
>
> from,
> matt
>
> -it is John, the disc is called music for romance- music for children vol.one.
> its a comp. that features three or so unrecorded naked city songs, John recorded
> with a Boston band also a couple of chamber type pieces,  i was talking to a guy
> who works at a record store that got the promo and he said the cover is
> horrific, a nude young girl thats body is disfigured or something like that (i
> did not actually see the cover just going by what he said).  Mabey thats why the
> cd's release date is pushed back in europe.

      dan


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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:55:13 +0200 (MET DST)
From: FJG_Lamerikx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Another Zorn album...

Dan wrote:

> > i was talking to a guy
> > who works at a record store that got the promo and he said the cover is
> > horrific, a nude young girl thats body is disfigured or something like that
> > (i did not actually see the cover just going by what he said).  Mabey
> > thats why the cd's release date is pushed back in europe.

I don't think so. It would certainly constitute a good reason to push back
the release date in the USA, but NOT in Europe.

To illustrate this opinion, MTV no longer shows the version of the (brilliant)
new Cardigans video where singer Nina Persson crashes everything she finds in
her way during a car-ride, and in the end crashes herself against a mini-van.
The video very graphically shows Nina being launched out of the car and bouncing
off the top of the van, onto the road.  She proceeds to display a thin line of
blood oozing from the corner of her mouth, and is eventually knocked out or
killed by the stone that she placed on the gas pedal to be able to stand upright
while driving.

Contrary to MTV, however, the Dutch equivalent TMF is showing the video
full-blown, any time of day. This quite illustrates the difference between
the US and Europe as far as these things are concerned.

Frankco.


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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:08:39 -0700
From: Anne & Dan Dellosso <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Another Zorn album...

FJG_Lamerikx wrote:

> Dan wrote:
>
> > > i was talking to a guy
> > > who works at a record store that got the promo and he said the cover is
> > > horrific, a nude young girl thats body is disfigured or something like that
> > > (i did not actually see the cover just going by what he said).  Mabey
> > > thats why the cd's release date is pushed back in europe.
>
> I don't think so. It would certainly constitute a good reason to push back
> the release date in the USA, but NOT in Europe.
>
> To illustrate this opinion, MTV no longer shows the version of the (brilliant)
> new Cardigans video where singer Nina Persson crashes everything she finds in
> her way during a car-ride, and in the end crashes herself against a mini-van.
> The video very graphically shows Nina being launched out of the car and bouncing
> off the top of the van, onto the road.  She proceeds to display a thin line of
> blood oozing from the corner of her mouth, and is eventually knocked out or
> killed by the stone that she placed on the gas pedal to be able to stand upright
> while driving.
>
> Contrary to MTV, however, the Dutch equivalent TMF is showing the video
> full-blown, any time of day. This quite illustrates the difference between
> the US and Europe as far as these things are concerned.
>
> Frankco.
>
> -The reason i would think that is cause of the original cover of "Guts of a
> Virgin", Painkiller was banned in europe, but if you saw the Toys Factory release
> from Japan it had the art work that was intended.

        dan-


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