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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #489
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, October 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 489
In this issue:
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Re: eugene chadbourne drum 'n' bass
zorn booking
Re: Fushitsusha on VICTO
Re: eugene chadbourne drum 'n' bass
RE: Zorn List Digest V2 #481 - sf & crabbing & being generous
Need help
Re: Need help
Re: Need help
HELP with ORANGE JEWS
Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash in Philly
Re: Need help
Re: Need help
Re: Need Help
Re: Need help
David S. Ware in St. Louis (review)
cd sale/PKD/Messiaen/chitchat
Re: cd sale/PKD/Messiaen/chitchat
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #488
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:57:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: eugene chadbourne drum 'n' bass
On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
> So, my question is, does someone know of an online distributor for this
> album. I live in Belgium (Europe) and found out that the 'old gold'
> label doesn't have a distributor here in Belgium.
> Can someone help me on this please.
old gold is an atlanta label. i thought that they were just a tape
label, but maybe they've branched into cds and vinyl. they've worked
with gold sparkle band and william carlos williams. i think that their
address is in the latest tuba frenzy. i can look it up when i'm @ my
apartment.
b
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:59:57 +0100
From: jtalbot@massart.edu
Subject: zorn booking
does anyone have any info on zorn's booking agent? is he his own agent? i
remember not too long ago someone mentioning zorn being rather pricey and hard
to book. anyhow...any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks
jason
jtalbot@massart.edu
or
apoesia794@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:39 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fushitsusha on VICTO
In a message dated 9/29/98 11:07:01 AM, keffer@shell.planetc.com wrote:
<<Hello folks on the Zorn-list,
Has anybody yet heard the new Fushitsusha release on
Les Disques Victo (VICTO 060, 1998), "Withdrawe, this
sable Disclosure ere devot'd"? I know that it is live
at the Festival International de Musique Actuelle Victoriaville,
Canada from May 16, 1997. Do any of you have reviews?
Is it dense Fushitsusha or tinkering Fushitsusha?
Thanks.
David "Just bought a plane ticket from Tennessee to NYC to see Fushitsusha
on Halloween" K.>>
I just listened to this CD for the first time, although I did see the concert
it was recorded at. I'd say it tends more towards "tinkering" Fushitsusha,
although of course there are some loud passages. I liked it more than either
of the two recent Tokuma records, and the sound quality is surprisingly good
for a Victo release, better than any of the Victo live recordings I've heard
before. Definitely recommended.
Jon
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 17:26:00 -0400
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: eugene chadbourne drum 'n' bass
>Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:38:50 +0100
>From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
>Subject: eugene chadbourne drum 'n' bass
>
>Dear Zornies,
>Yestarday, I picked up some great albums by Eugene Chadbourne:
>
>- -Total Tuesday (crazy live recordings from a Switzerland/Holland tour)
>- -Insect and western (leo records, fully improvised)
Insect and Western isn't a wholly improvised album. On the cover it is
listed as 'compositions for large ensembe', and inside he mentions how the
score for one piece is about 80 pages long.
It is, however, a very fun album.
Dan
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 04:12:46 GMT
From: al.t@mtnhdw.com (Al T)
Subject: RE: Zorn List Digest V2 #481 - sf & crabbing & being generous
I'm, as usual, a week out of sync.
You know, the only thing that has bugged me about this list is people bitching
about other peoples irritating taste in music, posting topics, and/or whatever.
This inevitably then causes minature storm of recriminations that is even more
irritating. Imho, if someone appears to be looking for a fight, assume they're a
troll, and, if you really must respond, do it privately. I've found that quite
effective, personally, in contributing to the overall signal/noise ration. (Er,
not that I mean to attack noise per se. Seriously<g>.)
Two things.
Judging from others comments, my taste in sf is similar to the norm. (Favorite
is Delaney; if you liked Dhalgren and Stars, check out Triton and the Towers
trilogy.) So, given a likely match, an author who seems to be up to something
very interesting (and sort of coldly creepy in a way which hasn't really come
into focus for me) is Patricia Anthony. She's got no avant garde elements in her
style at all but I think she's very worth watching.
Second, a CD that enters my play cycle often is the eponymous Let's Be Generous.
Is there more by these guys? Comments?
Thanks to everyone for helping fuel my Fall CD splurge...some David Ware, Mr
Bungle, Parker/Guy/Lytton...and, of course, the Temptations 5-CD box set.
Bye for now.
"God is simultaneous mutual implication of everything"
Nicholas of Cusanus
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 17:52:33 PDT
From: "Wilfredo Casas" <rubberplant@hotmail.com>
Subject: Need help
Can anyone recommend classic recordings (in print) by:
Derek Bailey?
Euguene Chadbourne?
Henry Kaiser?
Elliot Sharp?
Thing is I'm doing a special radio show on guitarists unheard of here in
MTY, and I do not know where to start from.
BTW, is "The Sign of 4" any good?
Thanks,
Wil
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:19:35 -0700
From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
Subject: Re: Need help
>Euguene Chadbourne?
Chadbourne has many good releases.
Some of my favorites include...
anything he's put out on Intakt. "Strings", "Songs", and "End to Slavery"
the disc on Victo with Paul Lovens called Patrizio
for a more folk music approach, I love "I've Been Everywhere"
Country Protest and Corpses of a Foreign War are more country
and Country Music in the World of Islam volume XV is cool...and has
appearances by Elliot Sharp and The Sun City Girls.
I could go on and on about guitarists (anybody else like the series on
SubRosa of guitarist split CDs?) but I just thought i'd mention one more
interesting Chadbourne related release.
The Book of Heads which is the Zorn piece dedicated to Chadbourne. I was
amazed at Ribot's playing and how the combination of the composition and
Ribot sounded just like Chadbourne.
mike
mhowes@best.com
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:06:04 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Need help
Wilfredo Casas wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend classic recordings (in print) by:
> Derek Bailey?
Of his solo stuff, which there is A LOT of, I think 'Aida' is the one to
get (originally on Incus, reissued by Dexter's Cigar). There are plenty
more recommended solo records too... Of his duo stuff, the 2-CD 'Soho
Suites' with Tony Oxley on Incus is absolutely incredible! Also the
Organ of Corti disc with Han Bennink 'Live At Verity's Place' and the
FMP duo with Cecil Taylor 'Pleistozaen Mit Wasser' are excellent.
Check out http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mbailey.html
> Elliot Sharp?
I've found Elliott Sharp to be pretty hit-or-miss with me and since his
output is so varied, it really depends what you're looking for. My own
personal favorite of his guitar-oriented stuff is 'Sferics' on Atonal
which is solo fretless guitar. Most of his other stuff I've really
enjoyed doesn't have a lot of guitar: Larynx, Rheo~Umbra, Spring & Neap.
You may want to check out Carbon too. They can vary but I think
'Interference' is a very good record.
Check out http://www.algonet.se/~repple/esharp/es.html
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:48:52 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: HELP with ORANGE JEWS
Does anybody know what happened with the following compilation?
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - ORANGE JEWS - IT AIN'T JUST FOR BREAKFAST ANYMORE: various artists
This record features Andy Statman, David Krakauer, Wally Brill, Andy Haas,
Uri Caine, Anthony Coleman, Gary Lucas, etc.
1998 - Knitting Factory Records (USA), KFR-222 (CD)
Note: not released yet (planned for April 1998).
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, does anybody know the Premonition label on which MODERN COOL was
released (see recent thread on this record)? Any pointers?
Thanks,
Patrice.
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:21:48 -0400
From: Alan Lankin <lankina@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash in Philly
Just saw a listing for Zony Mash in Philly this coming Monday (10/5) at
the Five Spot, in case anyone's interested...
- --
Alan Lankin
lankina@worldnet.att.net
http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:14:58 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need help
In a message dated 10/2/98 8:54:42 PM, rubberplant@hotmail.com wrote:
<<Can anyone recommend classic recordings (in print) by:
Derek Bailey?>>
My favorites are Aida and Incus Taps for solo, Dart Drug, Playing, Music and
Dance, and Village Life for duets, and Yankees for trio. I listened to _The
Sign of 4_ once and didn't think it was very interesting.
<<Euguene Chadbourne?>>
I find Chadbourne's stuff very hit-and-miss. The two CDs that I think are
great are the recently released Solo Acoustic Guitar, Volume 2 on Rastascan
and Patrizio, which is duets with Paul Lovens.
Jon
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 00:11:51 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Need help
At 05:52 PM 10/2/98 PDT, Wilfredo Casas wrote:
>Can anyone recommend classic recordings (in print) by:
>Derek Bailey?
Since no one has piped up with Guitar, Drum & Bass... Maybe not classic in
all senses, but still excellent. Harras, with Zorn and Parker, is also
good, and perhaps more representative.
>Henry Kaiser?
His best guitar work, IMHO, was the free improv stuff he did way back when
on labels like Metalanguage, etc. He has put together an overview of this
period on a single Cuneiform CD, and although I haven't heard it, this is
his most interesting period, before he became a more straightforward 'rock'
guitarist in various bands.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 01:41:50 EDT
From: Sulacco@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need Help
i like the disc called Wireforks that is duets between henry kaiser and derek
bailey. that should wow 'em on the FM circuit
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:04:23 -0600
From: "Michael A. Piper" <mpiper@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Need help
>At 05:52 PM 10/2/98 PDT, Wilfredo Casas wrote:
>>Can anyone recommend classic recordings (in print) by:
>>Derek Bailey?
>>Henry Kaiser?
How about Henry Kaiser's Derek Bailey recommendations...I've got a whole
page of HK's suggestions for Bailey listening at
http://php.indiana.edu/~mpiper/HK%20Suggests%20Bailey.html
As for rec's for HK, it depends on what sort of sound you're looking for.
For free-improv, I'd suggest
OUTSIDE ALOHA PLEASURE (a CD issue of material from his earlier
albums ALOHA and
OUTSIDE PLEASURE, on Dexter's Cigar)
LEMONFISH TWEEZER (a "best of" compilation of his solo material, on
Cuneiform)
WIREFORKS (HK and Bailey together...a great album, on Shanachie)
You can check out HK's discography at:
http://php.indiana.edu/~mpiper/HK%20Disco.html
Best,
MAP
Indiana University School of Library and Information Science
"Tu id inveni tibi...
quid videor -- bibliothecarius?"
The Official Henry Kaiser Website
http://php.indiana.edu/~mpiper/HKMain.html
"The best in comtemporary improvisation..."
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:09:57 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: David S. Ware in St. Louis (review)
I saw the quartet last night in St. Louis and I don't think I liked it all
that much. I enjoy freer types of music but this brand of free jazz is not
for me. This is the type of music that, to me, is free from almost
anything. Most of the time the music didn't make sense to me. The first
tune was the basic jazz structure (head->solos->head) but the transitions
from the head to the solos (read: noise) were abrupt and lacked coherence.
It made it seem like gratuitous noise. What's the point of having a
composed head if the solo parts have nothing to do with it? David's solo
made no reference to the head. Matthew Shipp's solo actually did take the
head into account and it seemed like he played somewhat of a variation on
it at one point but none of the other band members picked up on it and he
eventually left it for other ideas. Parker's bass solo was long and
droning and ended abruptly when he began playing the tune's bassline which
led into the head again.
The drummer, Suzie Iberra was impressive and throughout the night she
brought out all kinds of toys to play with. My problem with her was that
she didn't appear to be listening to anyone else in the band. She
certainly had interesting ideas going on but she didn't apply them in any
meaningful way, in my opinion. Shipp impressed me the most out of all of
them. I might even be tempted to listen to some of his albums (any
recommendations?). William Parker didn't do much for me. In fact, I
sometimes can't justify a place for basses in music like this. When all
four of them were wailing and pounding in cacophonous improvisation the
bass was barely audible. I may even venture to say that if the bass was
removed from the fray there may be no significant difference in the music
as a whole. Now, there were the heads of some tunes where the bass was
necessary, however, and the band over the course of the whole night would
have been very different with out it. Ware's unaccompanied solo spots were
enjoyable as he would play with ideas and extend them. It's just the
blatant honking and pounding that I can't find interest in.
A highlight of the performance was a standard (I can't remember which). A
part of it was played by the trio sans Ware and that was something. Shipp
and the other two would phase in and out of playing the tune in a
borderline cheesy way and pounding and such. I enjoyed that.
Of course, this is all subjective and I prefer other types of music to
this. I couldn't help but think about Bloodcount, which has it's fair
share of honking and wailing. The only difference is that they seem to
play as a group whereas the Ware quartet was four people playing at the
same time on the same stage. Braxton's quartets (We listened to Dortmund
when we got home) have the same kind of group attitude as Bloodcount.
Just my take,
Dan Hewins
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:10:26 +0100
From: "allen j huotari" <zmasada@email.msn.com>
Subject: cd sale/PKD/Messiaen/chitchat
greetings fellow Zornophiliacs (and evidently closet Dickheads as
well...more on this later)
taking advantage of the lull to delurk momentarily, apologies in advance for
the longish post
1) help me reduce my collection and ease my filing/categorization woes
:-)
all individual discs are $8 each
or $7 each if you take 3 or more
these prices include postage within the USofA
trade offers are encouraged (but be forewarned, I have a very small wants
list right now)
please contact me privately
John Zorn LOCUS SOLUS (Eva WWCX 2035)
John Zorn ANGELUS NOVUS (Tzadik TZ 7028)
Naked City ABSINTHE (Avant 004)
Prima Materia PEACE ON EARTH-MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE (Knitting Factory KFW
158) (w/ Zorn, Wm Parker, R Ali, a.o.)
Bob Ostertag ATTENTION SPAN (Rift CD 14) (w/ Zorn and Frith sampled,
mangled, mutated, etc.)
Briggan Krauss GOOD KITTY (Knitting Factory KFW 178) (w/ C Speed, M Sarin)
Butch Morris HOMEING (Sound Aspects SAS CD 4015) (w/ S Hirsch, D Weinstein,
JA Deane, a.o.)
Henry Threadgill SONG OUT OF MY TREES (Black Saint 120154-2) (w/ B Ross, M
Melford, a.o.)
Joan LaBarbara SINGING THROUGH-VOCAL COMPOSITIONS BY JOHN CAGE (New Albion
035 CD) (w/ W Winant, a.o.)
Gate LIVE IN BOSTON/NYC (Poon Village) (M Morley, L Ranaldo, Z Parkins)
2) I'm surprised that no one mentioned the wondrous Philip K Dick novelette
"Faith Of Our Fathers" from Harlan Ellison's groundbreaking DANGEROUS
VISIONS anthology
this was a mind transforming (or should that be "ass transforming"?)
experience when I first read it nearly 30 years ago
anyone interested in the elusive qualities of memory, reality, identity, or
humanity owes it to themselves to read some PKD
(and double apologies if I inadvertently resurrect the PKD thread)
3) I believe it was Patrice Roussel who mentioned that the Olivier Messiaen
compositions
ET EXSPECTO RESURRECTIONEM MORTUORUM and COULEURS DE LA CITE CELESTE can be
found on a single cd and conducted by Pierre Boulez
this is correct, and for those who are interested, the cat no. is Erato
4509-91706-2
(this also was an ass-transforming experience when I first heard them over
20 years ago on the original lp release. Anyone out there remember the radio
show "Imaginary Landscape" that composer Carl Stone hosted on Saturday night
on KPFK-FM in SoCal in the mid to late '70's?)
4) yeah...sometimes this list is too chit-chatty...but otoh it's rarely
boring
and personally I'd much rather read about some of the off topic stuff here
than read the on-topic stuff in other lists (just what is the best King
Crimson lp of all time? do Pete Sinfield's lyrics suck? is Robert Fripp in
need of a personality bypass? ehhh...*shudder*)
count yourselves luck z-listmates...it could be worse
back to lurking, thanks for your time and bandwidth
ajh
now playing:
Resonant Swamp Theory MEETINGS WITH REMARKABLE MEN (Random Atmosphere 001)
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:41:12 +0100
From: "allen j huotari" <zmasada@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: cd sale/PKD/Messiaen/chitchat
thanks to those of you who responded so quickly
as of now only the Briggan Krauss GOOD KITTY cd remains
ajh
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:47:55 EDT
From: Poisonhead@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #488
How about those great Jewish music series? Serge G. is great!!! On an off
note just caught the Ken Vandermark 5. After seeing them play I bought all 4
cd's they had that were related. And they all kick ass!!! Target or flag,
single piece flow, live at the empty bottle, and barrage double trio. Anyone
interested in CDR trades? I have everything Zorn has done on cd or close. But
I only have the live Masada disc, naked city live video(from radio) and the
promo Zorn radio show. Looking for some sugar out there. As well I am a huge
LL Lurie,Chapin, Buckethead fan. Email privately to poisonhead@aol.com.
Andrew
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End of Zorn List Digest V2 #489
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