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Zorn List Digest       Thursday, October 1 1998       Volume 02 : Number 487



In this issue:
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       Re: Dave Douglas
       Re: Gabriela (Warning!! Non-Zorn Content!!)
       Elvis C., Burt B., and... Bill Frisell?
       Re: Don Cherry question...
       Thank you all
       Re: Dave Douglas
       Re: Gabriela
       Re: Dave Douglas
       Re: Dave Douglas
       Re: West Coast Masada
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #479? 480?
       Re: Alan Shorter
       Re: Filing
       Gabriela
       RE: Filing
       PK Dick, "Who Cares" and whatever non-zorn content I can think of
       Re: PK Dick, Richard Ford and other non-Zorn, non-music content      of
       Re: Richard Ford
       Re: Touch Of Evil

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:33:09 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas

At 07:08 PM 9/30/98 -0700, Corey Marc Fogel wrote:
>
>On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> I'd like any thoughts and recommendations on Dave Douglas' cds. I have
>> Masada 8 and 9, Five (with the string group) and amazing Tiny Bell's
>> Live in Europe.
>
>Sanctuary, Stargazer, and In Our Lifetime are essential. ESSENTIAL!

Second the recommendation on Sanctuary, a 2-cd set on Avant, two sessions
recorded live at the Knit (no audience noise at all, though).  It's two
quartets, each with trumpet, sampler and bass, plus Chris Speed on sax and
Dougie Brown on drums.  Each CD is a continuous piece of music, ranging
through many different moods and musics.  Fabulous, very strong stuff.


- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:19:05 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gabriela (Warning!! Non-Zorn Content!!)

[e-mail] wrote:

> I picked up a CD by the guitarist/vocalist Gabriela yesterday from a cheapie
> bin, mainly because of the musicians in support on the CD.  They include Bill
> Frisell  [snip]  Can anyone give me more info on Gabriela and her
> association with these musicians?

I hope it's not too much of a let-down, but the rather mundane connection is that
Argentinian vocalist Gabriela and Bill Frisell share the same management company,
Songline / Tone Field (no relation to the Songlines recording label).  There's
more info and sound bites (the one I downloaded sounded distinctly Frisellian in
tone) at http://www.songtone.com/Artists/Gabriela/
and if you poke around a bit there's info about Bill on the same site.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:39:38 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Elvis C., Burt B., and... Bill Frisell?

While checking into the straight dope on Gabriela earlier tonight, I
stumbled across the following news of Bill Frisell which, oddly enough,
ties into the Elvis Costello / Burt Bacharach thread that's been working
its way through the Zornlist lately.

<< For those who have been wondering when Bill Frisell was going to make
an appearance in their city anytime soon, we here at Songline / Tone
Field, wanted to let you know that he has taken this year "off" from
touring and spent the last 6 months (and will spend the next 5 or 6) in
a state of hyper productivity.  Some of the results of that activity can
be heard on the upcoming (next year) Elvis Costello - Burt Bacharach CD
on the jazz label Verve which features Frisell's arrangements of the
same 12 tunes Elvis and Burt have recorded together on their pop record
for Mercury. The Verve record is produced by Lee Townsend and features
Bill on guitar, Viktor Krauss on bass, Brian Blade on drums and a horn
section comprised of Curtis Fowlkes on trombone, Ron Miles on trumpet,
Don Byron on clarinet and Billy Drewes on saxophone. There's rumor that
some pretty big name vocalists may contribute their talents to a couple
of the tunes, but the cat isn't out of the bag on that just yet. Both
records are due to be released in early 1999.>>

There's a bit more intriguing news about Bill Frisell, including some
word about his next Nonesuch project (not the current release with Fred
Hersch) at...
http://www.songtone.com/News/

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:57:21 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Don Cherry question...

Adam MacGregor wrote:

> Did Cherry not contribute the soundtrack for Jodorowsky's "The Holy Mountain?"
> I seem to remember it being in a very eastern musical vein...excellent though...

Only quasi-relatedly: A while back, Ornette Coleman did the soundtrack
a movie named "Box Office". After reading a review of it in Variety
when it played a film festival or something, I haven't heard anything
about it. imdb.com doesn't seem to list it. Did I hallucinate its
existence? Is the movie or soundtrack available anywhere?

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 02:13:50 -0500
From: "Landon Thorpe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Thank you all

Hey everyone,

I'd just like to say thank you for the threads of the past several days.
I've been ignoring my Zorn-list-digests for about the past 10 days. Tonight
I've tried catching up with the 20 (!) digests that came in that time.

I'm so sorry I've missed out on the threads concerning collection and
literature. I'd like to say that I'm feeling more human after having read
that there are other people out there that buy more music than they can
listen to, read _High Fidelity_, appreciate Nabokov, Joyce, DeLillo, Delany,
and Fowles, and listen to Eno/Byrne and Neubauten (anyone heard _Ende Neu_
or know where to find it?).

Speaking of Eno/Byrne and _My Life . . ._--tonight I spent probably the 4th
most boring time of my life watching UNKLE at Waterloo Records (In Austin)
do some fancy DJ stuff. I was merely dozing until he let part of a track
from _My Life_ go on for about 30 seconds or more and doing little to
augment it. I found myself outraged. How many people left that in-store
thinking that UNKLE was bad-ass because of this section? Arrrgh. I guess
that's the nature of DJing, though. Playing other people's records.

Anyway, thanks for bringing me out of mostly lurking for the past 2+ years.

Landon Thorpe

P.S.: If I go back into hiding, it's because I'm still stuck in _Ulysses_
(sans annotations). Anyone have any advice about tackling this for the first
time? I'm 240 pages into it, but it has taken a long time!

P.P.S.: Anyone enjoying Kreidler's _Appearance and The Park_ as much as I
am?

P.P.P.S.: Speaking recently of EA--any opinions on O'Rourke's pieces? Like
"Mere" from _Disengage_.

L


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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:22:03 +0100
From: "Felix" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas

>Hello Zornies!
>
>I'd like any thoughts and recommendations on Dave Douglas' cds. I have
>Masada 8 and 9, Five (with the string group) and amazing Tiny Bell's
>Live in Europe.
>BTW, I have listened to a couple of tracks from Patricia Barber's Modern
>Cool (Premonition) and not only she is great but Dave's participation is
>outstanding.
>So, what follow?/where to continue?/ what to pick up next?
>You can email me privately if you want.
>
>-Hugo


Well, Masada 7 also has a wonderful Douglas. Charms of the Night Sky just
didn't have it for me - the tunes are really nice, but it really gets "radio
friendly" sometimes. Stargazer is good, a nice homage to Wayne Shorter. Then
there two non-Douglas albums but which feature him that I totally recommend:
The first is John Lindberg's "Bounce" of which I already talked about.
Douglas plays absolutely wonderfully during the whole of the album. The
second one is the Caine/Mahler album on W&W, "Primal Light/Ulricht". This is
one of my favourite albums ever, featuring Douglas, J. Baron, M. Feldman, A.
Lindsay, and a bunch of others. Really good.
I can't exactly reccomned you anything because I don't know that much
Douglas - I still have to get Tiny Bell Trio... But any of the above seems
nice to me, except maybe for Charms of the Night Sky...

Felix
[e-mail]


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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:02:54 -0700
From: Gene Natalia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gabriela

At 07:23 PM 9/30/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I picked up a CD by the guitarist/vocalist Gabriela yesterday from a=
 cheapie
>bin, mainly because of the musicians in support on the CD.  They include=
 Bill
>Frisell, Rob Berger, Bill Douglass, Alex Acu=F1a, and Eyvind Kang.  Gabriel=
a
has
>a sensual earthy/smokey alto voice- a perfect match to the melodic Latino-
>flavored folk music on the CD.

I got that cd used as well, since I'm a fan of Frisell and even moreso,
Eyvind Kang, but was tremendously disappointed with it.  It was just
immensely boring.  All those wonderful musicians are wasted on an album
that, hard as I tried, I just couldn't find anything remarkable about.
Imagine Latin Enya.  I sent mine back to the used bins.

                            Ethan



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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:36:12 +0200
From: "J.T. de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas

"Constellations" by the Tiny Bell Trio i.m.o is a classic in the
 Dave Douglas-oeuvre. Furthermore you should take a listen to
 "Charms of  the Night Sky". I picked it up last weekend and it's
 one of the most  intimate albums I have. Douglas plays phenomenal,
 accompanied by Guy  Clusevec, Mark Feldman and Greg Cohen. Great
 record!


 Jeroen

>
> > >On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 [e-mail] wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'd like any thoughts and recommendations on Dave Douglas' cds. I have
> > >> Masada 8 and 9, Five (with the string group) and amazing Tiny Bell's
> > >> Live in Europe.
> > >
> > >Sanctuary, Stargazer, and In Our Lifetime are essential. ESSENTIAL!
>

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:13:12 +0200
From: "Francisco Fonz-GarcΘs" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas

>  >On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 [e-mail] wrote:
> > I'd like any thoughts and recommendations on Dave Douglas' cds. I have
> > Masada 8 and 9, Five (with the string group) and amazing Tiny Bell's
> > Live in Europe.
>

  My favourite Douglas' works are Sanctuary (Avant), Five (Soul Note) -both
already quoted- and his early  (and only, I think) apparition on The Mosaic
Sextet: "Today, This Moment" (Konnex 1994) with Mark Feldman, Joe Fonda and
others. A great disc.

Paco Fonz



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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:06:56 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: West Coast Masada

I was disappointed to find out the truth about this.  I rather liked
the idea of Shorty Rogers, Bud Shank, Joe Mondragon and Chico
Hamilton playing Katzatz, Zebdi, Janohah, Lachish, Ziphim, etc.
It sounds great in my head ... I'll have to settle for Masada Play
the Gerry Mulligan quartet songbook instead.

Sean Wilkie



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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:10:43 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #479? 480?

If we were entirely products of our environment, or our genes, or our
upbringing, then the assertion that we were products of our (fill in
the blank) would just be another product of our (fill in the blank)
and anybody's agreement with it would just be a product of their
own (fill in the blank) ... Such a view doesn't seem extreme, or
radical, but simply incoherent.

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:31:05 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Alan Shorter

He also plays on one track (which he wrote) of brother Wayne's "The
All Seeing Eye".

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:37:35 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Filing

Heh heh,

I love being 12 digests behind, just so's I can start up again on
what's pissed half the folks off:

1) Get rid of all "collectively" made albums, unless they have a
group name.  (You can decide that one guy or gal is REALLY the main
act if that's too painful)

2) Get rid of everything by somebody who doesn't have a PROPER anglo-
saxon name, or something you can translate into that system.  This is
where I fall down as I can't bear to part with my RA, Sun albums:
therefore -

3) File everything under M for music, unless it isn't.  This way you
have lots of space at either end of the alphabet.

Keepin it simple,

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 10:06:01 -0300
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Gabriela

Nice to read something about Gabriela.
As fas as I know, guitar player Pino Marrone, her husband, said that
Gabriela fell in love with Frisell's song Rambler; then she wrote a
letter to producer Lee Townshed just to ask for permission to include
that song in her cd.
Bill asked for a tape of her stuff and not only he accepted her offer
but wanted to be included as a musician.
I didn't listen to the cd but I read a good review in Jazztimes; beyond
any opinion I'll get my copy in the next future.



"Tell me people
Am I going insane?"
Ozzy Osbourne

As Frisell plays in this cd, isn't it a Zorn related subject?
Please any light.


Later,

Hugo

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:24:16 -0400
From: "hijk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Filing

"File everything under M."

  We have a winner.

Jeff Kent




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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:16:02 -0600
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: PK Dick, "Who Cares" and whatever non-zorn content I can think of

Whew, I go away for a few days (paradoxically after a fairly slow period on
the list) and I come back to a huge number of digests. So some of my
comments are coming a bit late.
First of all regarding "lurkers." I've become mostly a lurker, in direct
relationship to the increasing number of members on this list. I find that
as I read through the digest, formulating my letters as I go along, someone
else has already said what I intended to, by the time I come to the end of
the digest. So why bother.
Second, regarding the water-hole nature of the list. I'm responding now,
because even though it's been said (even better) before, the importance of
this debate has come to what appears to be a vote of sorts, and I want my
vote to be counted. I vote for the watering hole, and que sera sera. In fact
when the Dick conversation started, not only did a big smile come to my face
(because Dick is one of my faves) but I appreciated that it seems that as a
group we seem to share a general aesthetic which crosses media. But not only
that, there is still enough significant differences to make things
interesting. For example, I don't like Bill Laswell's work, and I don't like
Don Dellilo's work. But I've checked them both out, because they seem to fit
the general aesthetic that I find myself in. Whereas, for example I have
never read a Harlequin Romance, nor listened to that band of 3 teenage brothers.
Third, regarding Dick's non SF work, I own and have read almost everything
Dick has written, including the non SF stuff. And my take on those books are
that they suffer from the same lack of literary style that all of his books
suffer from. Also they tend to be very much about human relationships and
not cosmic mind-blowing philosophy. That said I still enjoy them because
almost all of his books are permeated by Dick's attention to the little
things that make us human, in an uncaring world. The tragedy is it  could be
called that of Dick's literature, is the tragedy of his private life. I
believe that Dick had the ability to give his writing the style we demand of
"high art" (as seen in a few of his books), and if his temperment was more
like say Pynchon's we'd have less books, but better ones. Although I do wish
Pynchon could write just a little bit more.
WARNING ZORN CONTENT FOLLOWS.
This brings me to JZ. His output is very Dicklike in the sense of its volume
and variety. Some have argued that his quality suffers because of this. I'm
sure that he's not getting rich off of this, but does anyone have an idea if
Zorn produces so much, in order to make more money like Dick did? Or just
cause he doesn't sleep at night?

yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****


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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:39:53 -0400
From: "Chris Barrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: PK Dick, Richard Ford and other non-Zorn, non-music content      of

>Third, regarding Dick's non SF work, I own and have read almost everything
>Dick has written, including the non SF stuff. And my take on those books are
>that they suffer from the same lack of literary style that all of his books
>suffer from. Also they tend to be very much about human relationships and
>not cosmic mind-blowing philosophy. That said I still enjoy them because
>almost all of his books are permeated by Dick's attention to the little
>things that make us human, in an uncaring world.

Which is what I love most about Dick too.  And on that topic, has anyone
read any Richard Ford?  I reveived "Women With Men" as a gift and thought
that the 3 short stories were remarkable for the emotional depth of the
characters and their interactions.  Then I find out he won a Pulitzer a
couple of years ago for "Independence Day", which I'm s'pposed to read for
a book discussion group.....Anyone read it or any Richard Ford?  Any
thoughts?

Ahhh, yet another tangent to go off on....

- -Chris



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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:46:35 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Richard Ford

At 10:39 AM 10/1/98 -0400, Chris Barrett wrote:
>
>Which is what I love most about Dick too.  And on that topic, has anyone
>read any Richard Ford?  I reveived "Women With Men" as a gift and thought
>that the 3 short stories were remarkable for the emotional depth of the
>characters and their interactions.  Then I find out he won a Pulitzer a
>couple of years ago for "Independence Day", which I'm s'pposed to read for
>a book discussion group.....Anyone read it or any Richard Ford?  Any
>thoughts?

I read it, also for a book group, a few years ago.  Although it's lengthy,
it has a leisurely quality that I enjoyed.  And, more than any other novel
I have ever read, there is a defining moment about two-thirds of the way
through, after which everything changes.  A remarkable achievement.
Independence Day is a continuation of an earlier novel, the Sportswriter,
but I had not read that and don't believe it would be required for an
appreciation.


- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:46:02 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Touch Of Evil

Jon Abbey was off to see the re-edited version of this.  How was it
Jon?

By the way, has anyone here seen the 1945 cut of The Big Sleep,
pulled when To Have And (To) Have Not went down a storm, and they
decided to beef up Bacall's role.  It came round last year when I was
away on holiday.

Sean Wilkie

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