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Zorn List Digest      Friday, September 25 1998      Volume 02 : Number 476



In this issue:
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       Re: Re[2]: Collecting Music
       Re: collecting music
       Re: Recent Reading, was Re[2]: collecting music
       Re: Collecting/Listening Methods
       Re: Aaly Trio (was something about collecting)
       Re: Collecting Music
       Re: Recent Reading, was Re[2]: collecting music
       Underworld (was: Recent Reading)
       Being Obsesive about Music AND High Fidelity
       RE: Collecting Music

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:09:52 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Collecting Music

In a message dated 98-09-25 08:42:20 EDT, you write:

<<      Same place I put my sole 3rd Bass CD: under "T".

      The only other discs I own where this comes up are those by 8 Bold
      Souls.

      Brian Olewnick
  >>

Off the top of my head - and I use this method too - no one else here listens
to 808 State or Phil Manzanera's 801?

Dale.

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:15:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: collecting music

On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Peter Hollo wrote:

> I have my music arranged in alphabetical order. Crazy, huh?

Me too, with a few exceptions:

- - CDs I haven't yet listened to (or which I've listened to once but I'm
pretty sure deserve another, closer listening before they join the
alphabet) are on shelves of their own.
- - Various-artist complilations are on a shelf of their own, in no
particular order
- - Those damn CD singles with no printing on the spine, just on the top and
botom, are on a shelf of their own, with the top spine sticking out.
- - Boxed sets are on a separate shelf, along with CDs whose packages are a
bit too big for normal shelves.

I have about 700 CDs. I've probably bought about 2000 over the years, but
the collection's been ripped off twice *sigh*

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:26:46 -0500
From: Eric Saidel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Recent Reading, was Re[2]: collecting music

I originally replied to Steve offlist about this, but it seems like this is going
to be a momentary fashion, and I can't resist this one, so I won't try.

[e-mail] wrote:

>      Steve Smith wrote:
>
> >And hey, Zornlist charter aside, I quite *like* the idea of getting literary
> >suggestions from folks with whom I'm musically in sync...
>
>      I'd been thinking of broaching this topic here for a couple of months.
>      After all, there is _some_ Zornian precedent in that he used to list
>      recent readings on the Tzadik site. I'd also find interesting the
>      reading habits of folk here (for that matter, I'd be curious about
>      which, if any, visual artists you people enjoy). So, if Mr. Rizzi
>      doesn't object,
>
>      Some recent literary goodies:
>
>         How the Mind Works      Steven Pinker
>
>         One of the better layperson's overviews of recent cognitive
>         research with a great deal of food for thought. If you've read
>         related books by Dennett, Minsky, et al, you'll enjoy it.

I haven't read this, although it is sitting on my pile of things to read
beckoning me.  But, as a professional in this area, I should warn you that these
books do not come without a very very strong bias.  (One that is rejected by many
in the field.  For example, I know of very few philosophers who take Dennett's
recent work very seriously.)  You should be aware, for example, that Pinker is
something of a genetic determinist: he thinks our behavior is caused by and
excused by our genes.  This is an extremely radical view.  A much more moderate
view is that behavior is caused by the interaction of our genes, our minds, and
the world.  (Compare this to the nature/nurture debate: which determines our
behavior?  Neither, our behavior is a result of the two influences.)

I could go on, but I won't.


>         Underworld              Don Delillo
>
>         What'd you think Steve? I found it a bit uneven, though the upsides
>         are higher than most you'll find elsewhere. Some gorgeous writing
>         and an enjoyable, for me, baseball thread.

I loved this.  The description of the shot heard round the world was a sustained
piece of beauty.  This book fulfills some of Delillo's promise - it's a work in
which the characters are more than just placards for the themes he wants to
explore.  (That's not a criticism of his other works - the characters in, say
_White Noise_ are not meant to be complete.)


>
>
>         Strong Opinions         Vladmir Nabokov
>
>         Wonderful essays and curmudgeonly criticism by, IMHO, likely the
>         finest English language writer this century. He had a unique
>         combination of Old World grace and a wickedly mordant sense of
>         humor. Plus you learn about butterflies. Has gotten me to begin
>         rereading 'Ulysses'. Highly recommended.

Thanks for the rec.  I just finished _Speak, Memory_.  Beautiful writing, and
when he writes about butterflies you can just tell that his eyes are glowing with
excitement.

- - eric



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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:32:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Collecting/Listening Methods

Very scary indeed, because:

In a message dated 98-09-25 00:05:17 EDT, you write:
>Which reminds me: I've been using the same 90-minute Maxell tape for both
>Walkman and car, for the last six years!

Mine is going on 5! And. . .

>The rotating collection would also be slightly subdivided into two
>categories: CDs I could play while my wife was around, and CDs that would
>probably annoy her (not that it mattered terribly, since I would play them
>anyway until she would ask, "What *is* this?")

. . .me too on this point as well. My god, I am not alone. . .

Dave Royko

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:55:49 -0400
From: Dan Given <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Aaly Trio (was something about collecting)

>Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:54:16 +0000
>From: Scott Chamberlin <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Collection arrangements
>
>Dan Given wrote:
>
>
>> the Aaly Trio + Vandermark
>> (Gustafsson/Vandermark/Peter Jansson/Kjell Nordeson) discs require therapy?
>
>Any thoughts on this album?
>
>- -Scott Chamberlin
>[e-mail]
>

There are two Aaly 3/Vandermark albums.  The first, Hidden in the Stomach
is on Silkheart.  Very good free jazz, more along the lines of a Vandermark
album than a Gustafsson (meaning more jazz oriented). The firts track,
which is a different versio of something from the FJF disc, is a killer. If
you like the FJF album, this one is maybe a bit better.  THe second,
Stumble, on the Wobbly Rail label, I haven't heard all of. It is at the
radio station I DJ at, so I've played about 1/2 of it so far. More of the
same, but I don't really like the sound quality. It is a live recording
from Unity Temple, a bit echo-ey (though it does add a nice touch
sometimes).


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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:23:36 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Collecting Music

>
> if one files cds alpha by artist/composer, where would you put 2 live crew? i
> figured, since it starts with a number, it goes before "a". thoughts, coments,
> suggestions?

haha 2 live crew..i would throw it away .... *G*
well yes before "A" or under "T" (two)

BJOERN


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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:48:37 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Recent Reading, was Re[2]: collecting music

On Fri, 25 Sep 98 08:41:00 -0500  [e-mail] wrote:
>
>         Underworld              Don Delillo
>
>         What'd you think Steve? I found it a bit uneven, though the upsides
>         are higher than most you'll find elsewhere. Some gorgeous writing
>         and an enjoyable, for me, baseball thread.
>
>         Strong Opinions         Vladmir Nabokov
>
>         Wonderful essays and curmudgeonly criticism by, IMHO, likely the
>         finest English language writer this century. He had a unique
>         combination of Old World grace and a wickedly mordant sense of
>         humor. Plus you learn about butterflies. Has gotten me to begin
>         rereading 'Ulysses'. Highly recommended.

...and the finest French language writer of this century is Samuel Beckett...

Robbe-Grillet said almost what you said of Nabokov at a literary event in
NY many years ago. This upset so much John Barth that he replied to him the
above sentence :-).

>      Jon Abbey mentioned Jim Thompson. Earlier this year, I read through
>      virtually his entire canon (first time I'd read him). Uneven, but the
>      best are a great deal of fun and a lot sicker than any of the movies
>      based on them.

SAVAGE NIGHT is really one of the sickest I read by him. A true nightmare.

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:33:03 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Underworld (was: Recent Reading)

wow, I'm amazed how many list members seem to have read the same 800 page
book, even if it is the highly publicized Underworld. I just read this a few
weeks ago myself, and I would say it was a bit disappointing. I had the same
problem with DeLillo's characters that I usually do, and that someone else
alluded to, I tend to find them a bit two-dimensional. I also felt like the
bulk of the book just didn't add up to that much. Sure, it was cleverly
structured, but I found myself thinking afterwards that for an 800 page novel
covering a half century, it seemed like a "small" undertaking, in terms of
what the story added up to.

all that being said, the first seventy pages of this book are as good as
anything I've read in a really long time. they stand by themself, and that's
what I've been recommending to my friends. read the first seventy pages, which
can also work as an individual scene, and stop there.

next we're going to do movies, right? I'm off in a bit to see the re-edited
Touch Of Evil.

Jon

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:41:59 -0400
From: "Chris from Zeke's" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Being Obsesive about Music AND High Fidelity

Howdy!

I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but for those of you who
are interested, here is a list of all the references to music in _High
Fidelity_. Page number in whatever was paperback copy, artist, song title,
album title. I was originally going to then add if I owned the reference or
not. But then realized that I could do something else as well.

S'later
Chris

10, Carly Simon,
10, Carole King,
10, James Taylor,
10, Cat Stevens,
10, Elton John,
18, Lynyrd Skynyrd,
20, Johnny Rotten,
24, Neil Young, Only Love can Break Your Heart,
24, The Smiths, Last Night I dreamed that somebody loved me,
24, Aretha Franklin, Call Me,
24, I don't want to talk about it,
24, Love Hurts,
24, When Love Breaks Down,
24, How can you mend a broken heart,
24, The Speed of the sound of loneliness,
24, She's Gone,
24, I just don't know what to do with myself,
29, Madness,
29, Eurythmics,
29, Bob Dylan,
29, Joni Mitchell,
29, Bob Marley,
37, Bob Dylan, Blonde On Blonde,
37, Stiff Little Fingers,
37, John Lennon,
37, The Smiths,
37, Frank Zappa,
37, Sonic Youth,
38, Lou Reed,
38, Liquorice Comfits,
39, Phil Collins,
39, Lemonheads,
40, Elvis Costello,
40, Dana, All kinds of everything,
41, The Clash,
42, Gerry & Sylvia Anderson,
43, Walking On Sunshine,
43, Righteous Brothers, Little Latin Lupe Lu,
43, Mitch Ryder, Little Latin Lupe Lu,
45, The Beatles, Abbey Road,
45, The Beatles, Something,
45, The Beatles, Help,
45, The Beatles, Yellow Submarine,
47, The Beatles, Abbey Road,
47, The Beatles, Revolver,
52, Stevie Wonder, I just called to say I love you,
52, Stevie Wonder, Don't Drive Drunk,
53, Neil Young,
54, Robert Johnson,
54, Wham!,
55, The Beatles, Revolver,
55, Deep Purple,
55, Howlin' Wolf,
55, Marvin Gaye, Sexual Healing,
55, David Bowie, Ziggy Stardust,
55, The Who, Tommy,
55, Joni Mitchell, Blue,
55, All kinds of everything,
60, Nanci Griffith,
61, Peter Frampton, Baby I love your way,
61, Peter Frampton, Show me the way,
61, Peter Frampton, Frampton Comes Alive,
61, Diana Ross,
61, Elton John,
62, Partridge Family,
77, James Brown,
77, The Beatles,
77, The Who,
77, Elvis Presley,
77, The Sex Pistols, God Save the Queen,
77, Otis Redding, You Left The Water Running,
78, Chuck Berry,
80, Otis Redding,
80, Elvis Presely,
80, James Brown,
80, Jerry Lee Lewis,
80, The Sex Pistols,
80, The Beatles,
81, Liquorice Comfits,
81, Peter Frampton, Baby I love your way,
82, Hall & Oates,
82, Love Hurts,
83, Bob Dylan,
83, Elvis Costello,
83, Neil Young,
87, Smokey Robinson, It's A Good Feeling,
87, Bobby Bland, No Blow, No Show,
87, Jean Knight, Mr. Big Stuff,
87, Jackson Five, The Love You Save,
87, Donny Hathaway, The Ghetto,
87, Sheena Easton,
87, Solomon Burke, Got to get you off of my mind,
88, Madonna, Holiday,
88, Jackson Five, The Love You Save,
89, Solomon Burke, Got to get you off of my mind,
95, Guy Clarke,
95, Jimmie Dale Gilmore,
97, The Paragons, Happy Go Lucky Girl,
97, Jesus & Mary Chain, First,
97, Bob Dylan, Blonde On Blonde,
97, Ann Pebbles,
98, Elvis Costello, Alison,
98, Elvis Costello, Little Triggers,
98, Elvis Costello, Man Out Of Time,
98, Elvis Costello, King Horse,
98, Elvis Costello, Everyday I write the book,
102, Albert King,
102, Albert Collins,
103, Solomon Burke,
112, Mr. Sixty-Minute Man,
115, Guy Clarke,
116, Patsy Cline,
117, Cowboy Junkies,
117, Nanci Griffith,
128, Charlie Rich, Behind Closed Doors,
131, Lyle Lovett,
136, Bruce Springsteen,
147, The Clash, Janie Jones,
147, Bruce Springsteen, Thunder Road,
147, Nirvana, Smells Like Teen Spirit,
147, Marvin Gaye, Let's Get It On,
147, Gram Parsons, Return Of The Grievous Angel,
147, The Beatles,
147, The Rolling Stones,
147, Beethoven, Fifth Symphony,
147, The Fire Engines,
152, The Sid James Experience,
155, Madness,
158, Bruce Springsteen, Bobby Jean, Born In The USA,
158, Bruce Springsteen, Thunder Road,
159, Richard Thompson, Has She Got A Friend For Me, I want to see the bright
lights,
160, Simple Minds,
160, Michael Bolton,
160, U2,
160, Bryan Adams,
160, Genesis,
162, Leo Sayer,
162, Bob Willis & The Texas Playboys,
167, Bob Dylan,
167, Sndtr, Fireball XL5,
168, Booker T. & The MG's,
168, Al Green, Sha La La, Greatest Hits,
168, Al Green, Explores Your Mind,
170, Cowboy Junkies,
175, REM,
175, Primal Scream,
175, Teenage Fanclub,
176, Status Quo,
184, Eurythmics,
186, The Beatles,
186, Nirvana,
186, Kraftwerk,
195, Television,
197, Dizzy Gillespie,
199, The Wailers,
202, The Auteurs,
202, St. Etienne,
202, Suede,
203, Steely Dan, Barrytown,
203, The Commitments,
205, Paul McCartney,
209, Pavorotti,
209, Tracy Chapman,
209, Bob Dylan, Greatest Hits,
209, The Beatles,
209, The Rolling Stones, Brown Sugar,
209, Hi Ho Silver Lining,
210, Donald Fagen, The Nightfly,
211, Little Walter,
211, Sting,
211, Junior Wells,
223, Love Hurts,
223, The Baron, Theme Song,
225, Richard Thompson,
225, Simple Minds,
227, Tie A Yellow Ribbon,
227, All Kinds Of Everything,
232, My Fair Lady,
233, Elton John, Song For Guy,
233, Magic,
233, Leader Of The Pack,
234, Jan & Dean, Dead Man's Curve,
234, Twinkle, Terry,
234, Bobby Goldsboro, And Honey I miss you,
234, Tell Laura I love Her,
234, Madness, One Step beyond,
234, You Can't Always Get What you Want,
234, Abraham Martin & John,
235, Black Sabbath,
235, Nirvana,
235, Bob Marley, One Love,
235, Jimmy Cliff, Many Rivers To Cross,
235, Aretha Franklin, Angel,
235, Gladys Knight, You're The Best thing that has ever happened to me,
239, The Beatles,
239, Barbara Steisand, ...Luckiest People in the World,
262, Simply Red,
262, Genesis,
262, Art Garfunkle, Bright Eyes,
263, Art Garfunkle,
263, Solomon Burke, Got to get you off of my mind,
265, Simply Red,
266, Diana Ross,
269, Elvis Presley,
271, Elvis Costello, Get Happy,
273, Dusty Springfield, The Look Of Love,
278, k.d. lang,
278, Dusty Springfield,
279, Tina Turner,
279, Billy Joel,
279, Kate Bush,
279, Pink Floyd,
279, Simply Red,
279, The Beatles,
279, Mike Oldfield, Tubular Bells,
279, Mike Oldfield, Tubular Bells 2,
279, Meatloaf,
279, The Eagles,
279, Barbara Dickerson,
280, Tina Turner,
282, Bob Dylan, Blonde on blonde,
282, Eric Clapton, Rainbow Concert,
285, Kraftwerk,
286, Bob Geldof, Live Aid,
287, Emmylou Harris, Boulder to Birmingham, Pieces of the Sky,
287, Butch Hancock,
287, All kinds of everything,
288, Paul McCartney, Let it be,
290, The Clash,
290, Sex Pistols,
290, Chrissie Hynde,
290, Aretha Franklin,
290, Wilson Pickett,
290, Solomon Burke,
290, Jimi Hendrix,
290, Mick Jagger,
290, Otis Redding,
293, Keith Richards,
293, Bill Wyman,
299, D
299, U2,
301, Madonna,
309, The Flying Burito Brothers, Sin City,
310, A Horse with no name,
310, Beep Beep,
310, Ma Baker,
310, My Boomerang won't come back,
310, Elvis Presley, Baby Let's Play House,
310, Aretha Franklin, Think,
310, Kingsmen, Louie Louie,
310, D Little Red Corvette,
310, Bob Marley, Stir It Up,
310, Aretha Franklin, Angel,
311, James Brown, Papa's Got a brand new bag,
311, Sly & The Family Stone, Family Affair,
312, Marvin Gaye, Let's Get it on,
312, Al Green,
312, The Clash,
312, Chuck Berry,
312, Solomon Burke,
313, Marvin Gaye, Let's Get it on,
313, Aretha Franklin, This is the house that jack built,
313, Chuck Berry, Back in the USA,
313, The Clash, White man in Hammersmith palais,
313, Al Green, So tired of being alone,
313, Elvis Presley, In the Ghetto,
315, Marvin Gaye, Let's Get it on,
321, O'Jays, Backstabbers,
321, Harold Melvin & The Bluenotes, Satisfaction Guaranteed,
321, Madonna, Holiday,
321, Donny Hathaway, The Ghetto,
321, The Specials, Nelson Mandela,
321, Twist and Shout,
321, Route 66,
321, Long Tall Sally,
321, Money,
321, Do you love me,
321, In the midnight hour,
321, La Bamba,
321, Solomon Burke, Got to get you off of my mind,




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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:15:11 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Collecting Music

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Robert A.
> Pleshar
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 1998 6:15 AM

> In the sake of disclosure, I just keep everything in alphabetical order.

Same here, AFX to Zorn.

Although speaking of AFX, I did debate for a while whether I was supposed to
file AFX and Polygon Window with Aphex Twin (the various monikers of Richard
D. James). Or whether Elph and Black Light District were to be filed under
Coil.

So for you alphabetical folks, is Naked City and Painkiller filed under
Zorn, or separately? (Is "Miles and Coltrane" under Miles or Coltrane?)

> People like Little Richard, Litle Walter, etc. give me some
> concern though.
> (File under "L' or "R"?) I'm not going to use their "real" names, so I
> usually file these sorts of names as if they were group names (i.e. under
> "L" for Little Richard).

My Professor Longhair CDs are under "P." PJ Harvey did confuse me for a
while, but since the singer is Polly Jean Harvey (and the band, I guess, is
PJ Harvey), I ended up placing the CDs between the Pixies and the Police.

Later,
Ben

np: boards of canada, "happy cycling"

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
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