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Zorn List Digest Friday, August 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 451
In this issue:
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Cohen on film and on disc
David Krakauer in Dallas
Re: David Krakauer in Dallas
Re[2]: Brian's recent goodies
Re: Cohen on film and on disc
Best Place to buy out of print Laswell/Zorn
Re: Cohen on film and on disc
Re: Recent Goodies
Re: Recent Goodies
DIW/Avant
JMT Discs
Spring Jazz Festival
Slusser & Halloween H2O
Re: Slusser & Halloween H2O
X-Legged Sally's "Slow-Up"
off subject possible rec label?
Re: Slusser & Halloween H2O
Re: Percy Grainger?
Re[2]: Brian's recent goodies
Re: off subject possible rec label?
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:18:42 -0400
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: Cohen on film and on disc
Greg Cohen's new album (on DIW) is called "Way Out" and I highly
recommend it to all. A partial tribute to Ellington and a whole record full of
wonderful tunes -- definately worth the $20 asking price. Cohen's
performance in "Wild Man Blues" is cool -- he even ranks a joke or two
from the Woodman. Non Woody Allen fans should stick to the new
album however.
Bob
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:48:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: David Krakauer in Dallas
Well, it's sort of nice to see we're finally down the last few debris of
this intellectual pissing contest that the whole "Can non-musicians make
music" thread boiled into...which seems like an appropriate enough time
for me to make one of my extremely infrequent interjections of Zorn-y
content...
This past weekend I took a little day trip from the home base in Austin
to hear clarinetist David Krakauer's "Klezmer Madness" band (of Tzadik
fame) at the Dallas Jewish Arts Festival. It's funny, on the drive up I
started to think about my last klezmer road trip: scooting down to Houston
a couple of months ago to hear the Klezmatics who were good but not nearly
as great as I expected them to be and it's sort of undecided whether or
not the trip was entirely worth it. but oh well. Too bad for the
Klezmatics.
Krakauer and crew were totally unreal. The current incarnation of the
band is different from the one of the 'Klezmer Madness' disc, this group
includes Ted Reichman on accordion, Kevin Norton on drums, and Adam Rogers
on guitar. I don't know anything about Rogers at all, but he pretty much
stole the show for me. I probably wouldn't have felt anything was missing
had this group shown up as a guitar-less trio, but Rogers was just adding
all of these magical little touches that had me anticipating what was
going to happen every time he started to play. He was featured
prominently on a piece called 'Klezdrix', which was absolute craziness I
tell you...
And it's funny that David Krakauer's name didn't pop into my head during
the clarinet player thread some weeks ago...I haven't heard him play too
much in non-klez contexts but I suspect he sounds great wherever..I've
never heard anyone with mastery of so many little nuances of the horn, all
sorts of strange little sounds coming from the nooks and crannies of his
instrument.
Kevin Norton told me that Krakauer's 2nd album for Tzadik (featuring this
band plus Oren Bloedow on bass) should be out hopefully next month so be
looking for it. It's going to include a suite of compositions that
constitute a klezmer tribute to Sidney Bichet which they played various
bits of Sunday.
So that's a random and hopefully semi-informative account of some
happenings here in Texas; and while I'm going on about it, let me offer a
tiny little commercial plug for an Austin event that hopefully might be of
interest to local Zorn-listers:
The Golden Arm Trio, the Blue Noise Band, and the Alien Time Ensemble
appearing Sunday Sept 6 in what we're calling either:
a) An Austin Improvisational Showcase
b) Austin's Jazz Underground
Anyways, it should be a fun and inexpensive time, I certainly invite
interested parties to contact me for more details.
later all,
Tom
(am I the only person who thinks Bloodcount could make a really great
'Fall into the Gap' commercial?)
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:12:27 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: David Krakauer in Dallas
On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Tom Benton wrote:
>
> And it's funny that David Krakauer's name didn't pop into my head during
> the clarinet player thread some weeks ago...I haven't heard him play too
> much in non-klez contexts but I suspect he sounds great wherever..I've
> never heard anyone with mastery of so many little nuances of the horn, all
> sorts of strange little sounds coming from the nooks and crannies of his
> instrument.
There is a haunting duo (piano + clarinet) on the TANGO LESSON soundtrack.
The piece is so good that Sally Potter uses it (at least) three times in
the movie (when the trend is to have a CD of music which is never used :-).
And yes, control is really what this piece is all about. Slow progression
with bended notes. Like being toasted on a high-wire. You (the listener)
fear that he is gonna fall, but he does not. Awesome...
I am not 100% sure, but I think it is David Krakauer.
Patrice.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 16:09:40 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Brian's recent goodies
Herb wrote:
>I'm interested in Brian's characterization of Stone, Wall & Oswald here.
>In my mind, Wall is the outsider of the three, rather than Oswald.
>If by the above you mean that Stone & Wall are similar in that their main
>interest is to create new compositions out of sounds from others as opposed
>to presenting a new look at an older composition by manipulating its
>components (I realize this characterization of "Oswald and others" is
>exaggerated & reductive) then I think I understand your point.
That's more or less what I meant. It seemed relatively clear (this was
after just one listen to the Wall--I still haven't gotten back around
to it) that he was less concerned with the "detritus" value or
nostalgic associations one might have with the sampled material (as
in, say, 'Plexure') then with constructing something entirely new that
couldn't have been arrived at any other way (or could it? re: your
remark below). I think I mentioned (if not, I will now) that the
ultimate outputs are quite different; nothing in Wall's album sounds
remotely like 'Ching Kee'.
>But one of the things that makes the output of the two so different is that
>Stone works very idiomatically within the traditions of elecronic music,
>while Wall seems almost to be making a kind of acoustic instrumental music
>using sampling technology to create pieces that could be played by live
>musicians, if the right musicians came together.
>For the most part Wall's work could be transcribed in music notation and
>handed out to musicians who had wareness of contemporary performance
>practice. He rarely, if ever, uses the sampler or other processing devices
>to significantly alter the timbre of an instrumental sound.
Yep, you're right there. I still find that, in my mind, I tend to put
Oswald in one "camp" and Stone and Wall in another, but that latter camp
certainly has its share of differences. But maybe this is all over-hair
splitting again, anyway. All of these folk are well worth listening to and
enjoying and I suppose that's good enough!
By the way (free plug here, Herb) any readers who've cared to read this far and
haven't yet checked out Herb's show, should immediately do so at:
www.antennaradio.com
Best Real Audio on the Net.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:51:42 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Cohen on film and on disc
At 3:18 PM -0400 8/26/98, Bob Kowalski wrote:
>Greg Cohen's new album (on DIW) is called "Way Out" and I highly
^^^^^^^^^
"Way Low"
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:17:22 EDT
From: <DJaySteve@aol.com>
Subject: Best Place to buy out of print Laswell/Zorn
try Downtown Music Gallery, dmg@panix.com.. Tell mike DJSteve sent ya.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:39:20 -0400
From: acapps@usit.net (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: Cohen on film and on disc
>At 3:18 PM -0400 8/26/98, Bob Kowalski wrote:
>>Greg Cohen's new album (on DIW) is called "Way Out" and I highly
> ^^^^^^^^^
> "Way Low"
Actually, this one has been out for a couple of years, although DIW's new
distribution deal with Koch has certainly made it more readily available.
There is a much more recent one, however, called "Moment to Moment" with
Teddy Edwards on tenor sax, Gerry Wiggins on piano, and Donald Bailey on
drums. This one has something of a late 1950s "west coast jazz" sound (not
surprising considering the line-up), not unlike Charlie Haden's Quartet
West. I enjoy both records immensely, but those on this list might want to
be aware that they reflect Cohen's love of more traditional and mainstream
jazz, more than anything "avant."
Ashley
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:25:51 +0200
From: "Francisco Fonz-GarcΘs" <m145651202@abonados.cplus.es>
Subject: Re: Recent Goodies
hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
> New cds, old cds, always music.
>
> The Lounge Lizards Queen of all Ears Strange And Beautiful Music
>
> Very beautiful music, and not strange at all. A friend of mine said this
> was the best album of the ... next year!.
> If you don't have this one...
I don┤t
> , go get it. Highly recommended
Where could I get full references about this album?
Thanks a lot
Paco Fonz (still enjoying "Live in Berlin")
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:33:16 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Goodies
On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:25:51 +0200 "Francisco Fonz-GarcΘs" wrote:
>
> Where could I get full references about this album?
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - QUEEN OF ALL EARS: The Lounge Lizards
1/ The First And Royal Queen (Lurie) 3:59
2/ The Birds Near Her House (Lurie) 11:40
3/ Scary Children (Lurie) 4:07
4/ She Drove Me Mad (Lurie) 4:21
5/ Queen Of All Ears (Lurie) 5:25
6/ Monsters Over Bangkok (Lurie) 10:13
7/ Three Crowns Of Wood (Lurie) 4:01
8/ John Zorn's S&M Circus (Lurie) 6:13
9/ Yak (Lurie) 5:41
10/ Queen Reprise (Lurie) 3:46
Recorded at Powerstation
Produced by John Lurie and Pat Dillett
John Lurie: alto, soprano, vocals; Michael Blake: tenor, bass clarinet;
Steven Bernstein: trumpet; David Tronzo: slide guitar; Evan Lurie: piano,
organ; Jane Scarpantoni: cello; Erik Sanko: bass; Ben Perowsky: percussion;
Calvin Weston: drums.
1996 - Warner Brothers Records (Germany), 9362-46147-2 (CD)
1998 - Strange & Beautiful Music (USA), SB 0015 (CD)
Note: the WB pressing was planned for release on May 28, 1996 on Luaka Bop
but it never happened; some promo copies (issued by Warner Brothers in
Germany) are flying around...
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 15:40:23 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: DIW/Avant
Is there any place where to check out old and new DIW and Avant
releases?
Thanks for the light,
Hugo
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:02:09 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: JMT Discs
Can anyone post a list of all the JMT Discs that were available? I am
curious to know what to keep an eye out for.
Thanks,
Dan
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:31:44 EDT
From: JazzmanDOL@aol.com
Subject: Spring Jazz Festival
My name is Dave Lundin - I am trying to put together an April 17, 1999, jazz
festival in Detroit, Michigan featuring the kind of "cutting edge" jazz heard
at the Tonic Club in New York. My issue is that I have some names of good
artists (Ravi Coltrane, Myra Melford, Joe Lovano, etc.) but could use more
names and mostly need to know how to get hold of these artists either in
person or through their agents. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks!!
Dave Lundin
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:00:30 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Slusser & Halloween H2O
I noticed that one of the music editors on "Halloween H2O" is David
Slusser. Is this the same guy that has an album out on Tzadik? (& I don't
know how much creative input an editor has but the music and sound mix are
easily the most interesting things in the film.)
LT
- ------------------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4
New at the Funhouse website: Alternate 100 American
Films, Anthology of American Folk Music, Godzilla Bites!
- -
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:41:46 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@interagp.com>
Subject: Re: Slusser & Halloween H2O
At 10:00 PM 8/27/98 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote:
>I noticed that one of the music editors on "Halloween H2O" is David
>Slusser. Is this the same guy that has an album out on Tzadik? (& I don't
>know how much creative input an editor has but the music and sound mix are
>easily the most interesting things in the film.)
While I am not familiar with this movie, Slusser has done a great deal of
work in sound effects and film. Some of his radio work is included (with
the NPR logo left in) on the Tzadik album. A search on his name at imdb
comes up with seven other movies in which he was part of the sound design
crew or musician, including Terminator 2.
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:28:48 PDT
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: X-Legged Sally's "Slow-Up"
Hello all,
I'm under the impression that this album is not that easy to find
anymore. If that's the case, I seem to be able to get some copies from
our distributor at work (actually I have one promised to someone, and
one not) and have some on order. I'd be happy to get them for people
(first come first serve) at cost + $1.50 postage. Let me know if anyone
is interested, or if I'm mistaken as to how hard it is to find.
Peace,
Dave
Lori Carson and Bill Laswell Discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:30:48 EDT
From: TWHY666@aol.com
Subject: off subject possible rec label?
hello i was wondering if anyone has any info on mick harris's label possible?
i know he release's some vinyl... i have scorn leave it out, and quoit
cd...i'm looking for simm or pcm, or anyother artist... any info would be
great!
thanks,
chad
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:21:27 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: Slusser & Halloween H2O
yes he is...thats his "main" job... he also did editing for terminator 2
and indiana jones 3 plus several other stuff..
i think he was also involved in doing the new star wars edition
BJOERN
www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt
On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Lang Thompson wrote:
> I noticed that one of the music editors on "Halloween H2O" is David
> Slusser. Is this the same guy that has an album out on Tzadik? (& I don't
> know how much creative input an editor has but the music and sound mix are
> easily the most interesting things in the film.)
>
> LT
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Lang Thompson
> http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4
>
> New at the Funhouse website: Alternate 100 American
> Films, Anthology of American Folk Music, Godzilla Bites!
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:24:16 +0200
From: demery@natlab.research.philips.com
Subject: Re: Percy Grainger?
Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
> Subject: Re: Percy Grainger?
>
> Those who are curious should try to find "The Warriors," a really
> interesting tone poem with some downright Ivesian pantonal stuff in it.
I'd go along with Steve's recommendation. The Warriors should also appeal
to those who like Stravinsky. An excellent recording of it can be found on:
Gustav Holst - The Planets/Percy Grainger - The Warriors
Cond.: John Eliot Gardiner; Orch.: Philharmonia
Deutsche Grammophon 445 860-2
This version has a second conductor for the off-stage brass ensemble, though
the CD booklet indicates that 3 conductors are needed -- though give no details
as to why (or why this version only has 2!!)!
The Warriors was Grainger's longest composition, apparently. The version on
the above mentioned disc runs approximately 18.5 minutes.
Dem
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:50:17 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Brian's recent goodies
Probably someone who's not on digest (& who didn't screw up their return
address, sorry Mike) has already noted that Wall talks about several
instances of digital manipulation in his Resonance interview, which I just
read this morning on the way to work, so my comments along the lines quoted
are somewhat inaccurate.
&, yeah, this is mostly quibbling about how to characterize 3 consistently
interesting composers.
& thanks Brian for plugging Antenna Radio.
I wrote & Brian Olewnick responded:
>>For the most part Wall's work could be transcribed in music notation and
>>handed out to musicians who had wareness of contemporary performance
>>practice. He rarely, if ever, uses the sampler or other processing devices
>>to significantly alter the timbre of an instrumental sound.
>
> Yep, you're right there. I still find that, in my mind, I tend to put
>Oswald in one "camp" and Stone and Wall in another, but that latter camp
>certainly has its share of differences. But maybe this is all over-hair
>splitting again, anyway. All of these folk are well worth listening to and
>enjoying and I suppose that's good enough!
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:09:55 -0700
From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
Subject: Re: off subject possible rec label?
At 12:30 AM 8/28/98 -0400, TWHY666@aol.com wrote:
>hello i was wondering if anyone has any info on mick harris's label possible?
>i know he release's some vinyl... i have scorn leave it out, and quoit
>cd...i'm looking for simm or pcm, or anyother artist... any info would be
>great!
I don't have a lot of info but I do know (and own) a double CD collection
called "Sonics Everywhere" which is a collection of all the 12" that
Possible put out.
The comp was actually released by Invisible. It has tracks from PCM,
Scorn, SIMM, Jupiter Crew, Ambush, Quoit, and Interceptor.
The address for Possible
Possible Records
Unit 28
Birmingham Business Centre
31 Mount Street
Nechells, Birmingham B7 SRD UK
mike
mhowes@best.com
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