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Zorn List Digest       Wednesday, June 24 1998       Volume 02 : Number 402



In this issue:
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       Mike Patton & Han Bennink
       Re: Mike Patton & Han Bennink
       Re: Mike Patton & Han Bennink
       Recent  Goodies and otherwise
       Edgar Allan Poe
       Re: Mike Patton & Han Bennink
       LCV: Fantomas cover (fwd)
       The Grassy Knoll live
       R: Edgar Allan Poe
       Re: Downtown Lullaby error
       Grassy Knoll/Liquid Soul
       RV: Cancellation of Experimenta '98
       RV: Cancellation of Experimenta '98
       Maleem Mahmoud Ghania
       Re: Downtown Lullaby error
       Joe Lovano and Motian/Lovano/Frisell
       Re: Scofield

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:05:40 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mike Patton & Han Bennink

Dear Zornies,

I just read the new booklet of the Vooruit Arts Centre (Ghent, Belgium,
Europe), and I was amazed by a forthcoming concert. Mike Patton in
concert with Han Bennink.

So my question is: has someone ever heard any recordings, saw some
concerts by these two guys??? Is it amazing or is Mike Patton trying
(not succeeding though) to imitate Zorn again.....

Bye
- --
Stefan Verstraeten

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:54:52 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Mike Patton & Han Bennink


> Dear Zornies,
>
> I just read the new booklet of the Vooruit Arts Centre (Ghent, Belgium,
> Europe), and I was amazed by a forthcoming concert. Mike Patton in
> concert with Han Bennink.

WHEN????

Frankco.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:02:47 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Mike Patton & Han Bennink


> So my question is: has someone ever heard any recordings, saw some
> concerts by these two guys??? Is it amazing or is Mike Patton trying
> (not succeeding though) to imitate Zorn again.....

I don't recall Mike Patton ever trying to immitate Zorn. Or has he picked
up playing the saxophone lately?

You could say Patton is trying to immitate Hanatarash, maybe, but Zorn?!

Frankco.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 08:20:29 -0300
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Recent  Goodies and otherwise

>ARCADO STRING TRIO     LIVE IN EUROPE              AVANT

>Nice work, but I'd love to hear these guys loosen up a bit more.

I do agree. I guess they sound academic and kind of dark, except for
"Lanette" (track 4) where the trio opens the song playing percussion on
the bodies of their instruments, passes through a Caribbean melody and
closes with a series of playful quotes by Feldman.
IMO, I think it's a pity they didn't follow Lanette's tone on the rest
of the cd.

- -Hugo, from Argentina


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:46:14 +0200
From: "Felix" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Edgar Allan Poe

I recently heard about this album called "Closed On Account Of Rabies" by
various artists which is supposed to be musical interpretations and
recitations of Poe's poems and stories. It has good artists such as Marc
Ribot and Diamanda Galas, but also strange names such as Iggy Pop and
Cristopher Walken (the actor?). Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has heard
this album, and how do they recommend it...

Thanks
Felix
[e-mail]


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:34:52 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mike Patton & Han Bennink

>> So my question is: has someone ever heard any recordings, saw some
>> concerts by these two guys??? Is it amazing or is Mike Patton trying
>> (not succeeding though) to imitate Zorn again.....

>I don't recall Mike Patton ever trying to immitate Zorn. Or has he picked
>up playing the saxophone lately?

oh yes he does...i never heard anything sounding so much like Zorn as Mike
Patton`s pranzo oltranzista album....
i think as a composer Mike Patton is rather weak. if you listen to the
stuff he wrote for the last Faith No More album..these are the weakest
tracks on the album..also the main track he wrote for Mr. Bungle`s Disco
Volante..Violenza domestica is musically very primitive although it is a
great track...
a think Patton did his best work when he sings/screams on other people`s
compositions

BJOERN


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:49:46 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: LCV: Fantomas cover (fwd)

>Following lcv tradition, I figured people might want to know that the
>cover song Fantomas played at the SF shows was T-Rex's "Chariot Choogle",
>which is on the album Slider (1974).  It was the only piece played at
>either show that had words (recognizable as such anyhow)

and here u see it again...!!!
when zorn did the bacharch tribute album mike patton sang a bacharch song
on the Faith No More tour...now zorn works on the marc bolan tribute and
patton does a t.rex cover with fantomas....
not really an imitation...but not very unique either

BJOERN
http://www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:54:06 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: The Grassy Knoll live

Hi,

I saw The Grassy Knoll show at Warsaw Summer Jazz Days and I don't agree
with Artur (pozdrawiam).
Deepy drum & bass sounds with many samples and Davis oriented trumpet.
Maybe compositions were too similar each other but I really enjoyed the
concert.
I didn't hear The Grassy Knoll studio releases before and now I'd like to.

Marcin

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:06:42 +0200
From: "Thomas Queins" <[e-mail]>
Subject: R: Edgar Allan Poe

"Closed On Account Of Rabies" is an Hal Willner Production.
There's also Marianne Faithfull, Gavin Fryday, Debbie Harry,
Jeff Buckley, Ed Sanders, Gabriel Byrne, ABel Ferrara, Dr. John
and Wayne Kramer

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> Da: Felix <[e-mail]>
> A: Zorn List <[e-mail]>
> Oggetto: Edgar Allan Poe
> Data: luned∞ 22 giugno 1998 23.46
>
> I recently heard about this album called "Closed On Account Of Rabies" by
> various artists which is supposed to be musical interpretations and
> recitations of Poe's poems and stories. It has good artists such as Marc
> Ribot and Diamanda Galas, but also strange names such as Iggy Pop and
> Cristopher Walken (the actor?). Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has
heard
> this album, and how do they recommend it...
>
> Thanks
> Felix
> [e-mail]
>
>
> -

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:45:01 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Downtown Lullaby error

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:35:26 -0400  Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Dan Hewins wrote:
>
> > Is this label going to only release 100% improv discs or what?  I don't
> > really mean that but so far that's all there is.
>
> Next on the agenda is an already-recorded album of Bobby's classic fusion
> repertoire band The Horse, an all-new studio recording.  There may be another
> album of the Lullaby quartet recorded live at the Knitting Factory.  And
> before long there will be discs by other artists, but not before sometime next
> year.

What about the duo Susan McKeown/Lindsey Horner?

    Patrice.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 13:04:20 -0300
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Grassy Knoll/Liquid Soul

>DD's Sanctuary (you may know what I mean), basically jazzy-sh stuff
>with a heavy beat in there sometimes... Any ideas?

I have listened to Grassy Knoll I and I enjoyed it a lot, though I
already have to try with II and III.
If you want a heavy beat, Chicago's Liquid Soul has caught fire and
their second recent "Make some noise" (ARK21- 1998) is very funky with
powerful horns. There you can listen to the great Mars Williams on
tenor, alto and soprano sax; Ron Haynes, trumpet, flugelhorn; John
Janowiak, trombone; Tommy Sanchez, guitar; Ricky Showalter, bass; Dan
Leali, drums; Frank Hill & Chris Cameron, keyboards (on different
tracks); Jesse de la Pena, turntables; Dirty M.F., rap.
I bet you that Kurt Elling's scat vocal on "Salt Peanuts" (track 3) and
"Ramblin'" (from O. Coleman's songbook -track 8) will really dig into
you.
Also try their first outing "Liquid Soul" (Soul What Records, according
to my copy).
By the way, is there any recommendation on Brooklyn Funk Essentials?
Should I buy it?

Thanks in advance.

- -Hugo, from Argentina

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:18:21 -0300
From: "Claudio Koremblit" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RV: Cancellation of Experimenta '98

Regarding an information about the cancellation of the experimental music
series in Buenos Aires, Argentina, called Experimenta 98, taken=20
from La Nacion, newspaper, june 7, we suggest to see the=20
article published for Clarin, other argentinian newspaper,=20
that have address on line:=20
http://www.clarin.com/diario/98-06-09/c-00301d.htm=20

and then maybe you could understand (probably not) that Experimenta=20
still didn't died and maybe could have a new agreement with the=20
authorities of the City of Buenos Aires in the next days.=20
Probably with a violent reduction of the budget but
with the hope of don't lose this important space for the=20
new music.
Below you have the letter that were signed for many artists in Argentina=20
and other places asking the authorities for maintain the conditions for=20
Experimenta continue working.

Best
CK


EXPERIMENTA DOESN'T SLEEP

We, the undersigned Argentine and foreign artists, turn to the public
opinion and to the authorities elected by the Argentine people in order t=
o
inform you of a situation we consider to be of utmost importance.=20
In 1997, a cycle called Experimenta 97 was created which included concert=
s
and workshops whose purpose was to promote music presently being produced
in the entire world in the experimental field. These events were carried
out with the presence of prominent artists from abroad who were able to
exchange experiences with Argentine musicians interested in generating ne=
w
ideas. This is a research and experimentation process which every country
promotes. It contributes to the cultural sign of the times and enriches
culture in all of its areas. This was undoubtedly understood by the Bueno=
s
Aires city authorities, whose officials in the culture department support=
ed
the cycle financially and later benefited from the acclaim. At the end of
last year, the same officials spoke of success and committed themselves t=
o
sponsoring, including through the media, the cycle's continuation in 1998.
This is how its artistic director, Claudio Koremblit, began work on the n=
ew
program and secured the commitments of all the artists that are included =
in
the Experimenta 98 cycle with the blessing of the city authorities. In Ma=
y,
when many of us were working on the new program, we began to fear that th=
e
commitments made by the Secretary of Culture of the city of Buenos Aires
and it representatives in the Alvear Theater could be altered. We now kno=
w
that there is a strange word circulating among the people in charge of
carrying it out: the cycle is "un-financed."=20
In a country where the people profoundly distrusts the system that
legislates them, where the economic situation is critical, where words me=
an
nothing, where people do not believe in justice, it would seem that the
situation of an anvanguard cycle and its possible disappearance as if it
had never existed would be something totally irrelevant. Nevertheless, we
believe that it is another blow that is added to all the other blows our
culture has to withstand every day; and that presents us as a country
manipulated by the whims and political necessities of its leaders. In
addition, Experimenta makes contributions in an area which has always bee=
n
rather thrashed and iscriminated against. It is an area which contributes
much by its mere existence, because it is open and unprejudiced, somethin=
g
which our empoverished culture needs as much as it does air in order to
exist. To make something die of hunger that is considered successful and
important is an obscurantist attitude that generates backwardness,
confusion and disbelief. We believe that it is of vital importance that t=
he
authorities reconsider this attitude, and at the same time call upon the
public opinion and artists to join and defend something that we must all
defend: the right to be informed and respected. We must sustain the place
we have won with much effort and which we undoubtedly deserve.
Bob Ostertag
Ned Rothenberg
Dave Soldier
Pauline Oliveros
Warren Burt
Chris Mann
John Sanborn
Nick Didkovsky
Kathleen Supov=E9
Jin Hi Kim
Joseph Celli
Rodrigo Sigal
Zev Asher
Diane Labrosse
Mark Dresser=20
Masami Akita
Jim Denley
Stevie Wishart
Carlos "ZINGARO" Alves
Kono Masahiko
Gerry Hemingway
Gregg Bendian
Michael Schell
Laetitia Sonami
John Oswald
Jon Rose
Elliott Sharp
Ana Alvarado DNI 13.388.887
Jos=E9 Antonio AmatoDNI16.658.531
Laura Apr=E1 DNI 16.895.629
Alejandro Baigorria DNI 16.761.540
Carmen Baliero  DNI 14.986.724
Hugo Barrionuevo DNI 14.775.342
Ricardo Bartis DNI 8.104.986
Mart=EDn Bauer  DNI 14.820.302
Sergio Boryszanski DNI 18.160.414
Mario O. Bozeglav DNI 16.584.188
Edgardo Cardozo DNI 17.029.476 =20
Ignacio D. Carosi DNI 20.618.230                     =20
Luis Dziembrowsky DNI14.976.509          =20
Oscar Edelstein DNI  10.824.177
Eduardo del Estal DNI 11.534.341
Mar=EDa A. Esteves DNI 21.749.038
Julio Fainguersch CI 3.760.536
Ana Lucia Frega C.I. 3.597.611
Martin A. Fumarola DNI  18.016.421
Fabiana Galante DNI 17.029.668
Omar Gianmarco DNI 18.588.145
Dina P. de Graetzer CI 5.271.225
Pablo Grinjot DNI 22.743.416
Anibal Guiser DNI 12.667.322
Horacio Gutman DNI 14.186.938
Jose Halac DNI 14.921.100
Luis Herrera  DNI 9.342.710
Daniel Ibarrart DNI 17.291.286
H=E9ctor Jascolowski DNI 16.053.594
Gonzalo Juan DNI 24.647.175
Aitana Kasulin DNI: 17.363.445
Marcelo Katz  DNI 16.054.717
Eduardo Kusnir  CI  4.577.895
Gregory Kowalski Pte Z7050152
David LagmanovichDNI 7.023.227
Wenchi Lazo DNI  20.988.254
Pablo Ledesma DNI: 12.167.247
Gabriel Levy DNI 18.470.910
Pablo Di Liscia DNI 11.866.250
Fernando Llosa DNI 4.399.639
Mario Lorenzo DNI 20226592
Elizabeth Magazian DNI 16.559.540
Jorge Mancini DNI 14.232.455
Patricia Mart=EDnez DNI  23.469.510
Soledad Mascia  DNI 25.358.916
Daniel A. Miraglia DNI 12.849.079
Mart=EDn Moore DNI 17.606.890
Alberto Mu=F1oz CI 6.435.426   =20
Orlando Musumeci DNI 17.366.063
Juan Pampin DNI 18.642.898
Andrea Pensado DNI 17592501
Mauro Pereira DNI 25869099
Jorge S. Perednik DNI 10.128.295
Gustavo Ribicic  CI  6.464.144
C=E9sar Rodr=EDguez DNI 17.189.098
Damian Rodriguez DNI 16.548.114
Diego Ruiz DNI 24.561.256
Adriana de losSantos DNI11807044
Jorge Sad D.N.I. 13.565035=20
Daniel Schachter DNI 10.983.109
H=E9ctor Torres DNI 12.900.700
Osvaldo V=E1zquez DNI 12.685.332
Santiago V=E1zquez  DNI 23.123.563
Claudio Veneziale DNI 16.199.049
Daniel Veronese  DNI 11.962.388
Celeste WiedeDNI 22.650.354
Laura Yusem  DNI 4.706.330
Antonio ZimmermanDNI22.533.340
Federico Zypce CI 11.955.833

=09



 > > Subject: Cancellation of Experimenta '98
> > > Date: martes 9 de junio de 1998 12:39
> > >=20
> > > The decision last week end by Secretary of Culture of Buenos Aires =
to
> > > cancel founding suport for avant-garde music event "Experimenta '98=
"
> > > sent an abrupt final for this "suposed to be" second edition.
> > >=20
> > > The Secretary was going to provide $140.000 for this purpose, but
they
> > > finally alleged budget problems that meant the cancellation of the
> event
> > > (musicians originally announced included A. Lucier, M. Dresser, E.
> > > Chadbourne and J. Zorn Masada amoung others).
> > >=20
> > > Taken from local newspaper "La Nacisn", June 7th.
> > >=20
> > > -Hugo (very sad), from Argentina =20




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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:41:12 -0300
From: "Claudio Koremblit" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RV: Cancellation of Experimenta '98

Address of Clarin newspaperr wrong:


> Regarding an information about the cancellation of the experimental music
> series in Buenos Aires, Argentina, called Experimenta 98, taken
> from La Nacion, newspaper, june 7, we suggest to see the
> article published for Clarin, other argentinian newspaper,
> that have address on line:

http://www.clarin.com.ar/diario/98-06-09/c-00301d.htm

this is right.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:02:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Maleem Mahmoud Ghania

    I just got done perusing an old interview with Bill Laswell from
1994 where he mentions that Maleem Mahmoud Ghania (from _The Trance of
Seven Colors_) has relleased over 30 cassette tapes in Morrocco.  Any
ideas of on-line sources where I might be able to track some of this
material down?

Thanks,

Paul
[e-mail]

  GROOVE
- ----------
One Nation



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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:44:37 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Downtown Lullaby error

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

> What about the duo Susan McKeown/Lindsey Horner?

Still on the schedule but delayed because the duo released another album on another
label about the same time BP originally planned to issue the record of theirs he
has.

(Celtic vocals and double bass + penny whistle, for those unfamiliar with the
pair...)

Steve


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:36:32 +0200
From: Fritz Feger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Joe Lovano and Motian/Lovano/Frisell

Concerning the trio, I think nobody mentioned the two "On Broadway" discs
on JMT. They play standards on it exclusively, and they do it in a way that
justifies to rerecord pieces recorded hundreds of times, IMO. Especially
the ballads with floating time really touch me, for example "It might as
well be spring" on the first one. All three contribute to the band sound in
an exciting and unusual way, especially Motian and Frisell.

Talking about Lovano, I would say that in general he is better as sideman
than as a leader. I have heard one record, don't remember the name, with a
rather large setup (among them a female singer) which doesn't work at all,
and I find his Sinatra-tribute quite overestimated by the press. Although
being rather mainstream for this list, I would recommend the Scofield
albums with Lovano, Bill Steward and Larry Goldings - not too far out, but
serious masters at work, if you ask me.

Any opinions?

Fritz.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:51:58 -0400
From: Circle9 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Scofield

Speaking of Sco, I recently picked up his new one with MMW as his sidecrew. I
had read some good reviews, but honestly, I was wary about the purchase, it
being King Wank and all. But this album took me by complete surprise. It rocks!
Evenm though it's all Sco tunes, it fits very nicely into the MMW discography.
Far, far better than anything Booker T's done in the last twenty years...


Fritz Feger wrote:

> Concerning the trio, I think nobody mentioned the two "On Broadway" discs
> on JMT. They play standards on it exclusively, and they do it in a way that
> justifies to rerecord pieces recorded hundreds of times, IMO. Especially
> the ballads with floating time really touch me, for example "It might as
> well be spring" on the first one. All three contribute to the band sound in
> an exciting and unusual way, especially Motian and Frisell.
>
> Talking about Lovano, I would say that in general he is better as sideman
> than as a leader. I have heard one record, don't remember the name, with a
> rather large setup (among them a female singer) which doesn't work at all,
> and I find his Sinatra-tribute quite overestimated by the press. Although
> being rather mainstream for this list, I would recommend the Scofield
> albums with Lovano, Bill Steward and Larry Goldings - not too far out, but
> serious masters at work, if you ask me.
>
> Any opinions?
>
> Fritz.
>
> -




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