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Zorn List Digest        Tuesday, June 23 1998        Volume 02 : Number 401



In this issue:
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       Motoharu Yoshizawa
       Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas
       Musica Transonic + Haino
       Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas
       Re: Grassy Knoll III
       Re: Downtown Lullaby error
       Re: Downtown Lullaby error
       Re: Hancock
       Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas
       Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:17:55 -0400
From: David Keffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Motoharu Yoshizawa

Brian Olewnick wrote:
>
>     There's a solo bass album on PSF by someone whose name, damn it,
>     escapes me at the moment--begins with 'M'--that I've heard great
>     things about. If anyone, miraculously, can figure out which release
>     I'm referring to and can provide a review, please do.
>
The bass player you are thinking of his probably Motoharu (given name)
Yoshizawa
(surname).  He plays on about 10 discs on the PSF label.  What I have heard
with
him is the 2 cd's he did with Mikami Kan and Keiji Haino _Live in the First
Year of
the Heisei_  volumes 1 and 2, 1990.  These 2 discs feature Haino on guitar
and
Mikami on guitar and voice, so if you don't think Vajra hits the spot, then
you
probably will feel the same way about these 2 discs.  The only other
Yoshizawa disc
I have heard is "Angels have Passed", PSF 22, which features Yoshizawa on a
five-string
bass of his own construction, in an improv trio including violin and piano.
 Yoshizawa's
bass is the featured instrument and, if you imagine that you would like
bass/violin/piano
improv, then this disc will not disappoint, because it's a fantastic work
in this
genre.

I haven't heard the Solo Yoshizawa discs on PSF from the 60's or 70's.
Also haven't
heard the freeform bass duo disc he did with Barre Philips but I bet that
is great.

David K.



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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:34:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas

The article in this weekends Chronicle made it sound like they expected
people to go running and screaming. They also said they have been fighting
off A&R guys left and right. The article made it sounds like it was a
Naked city type of heavy metal band. I didn't make it to the show either,
but I can imagine guys in Megadeath t-shirts and long hair running from
Slim's with their hands on their ears. This ain't your older brothers
Metal Band. The article interview each of the members and stressed their
hatred of corporate radio rock. No surprise there, but it was still funny
to hear. The article will probably be online sometime this week.
Bummed I missed it, but they did mention a cd being realesed sometime next
year, and enough material for two.
Sounded fun, please chime in if you actually saw it. They'll be in NY
soon. Love to hear some feedback.

Ciao,
Brian


On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Chris Bar{ett wrote:

> Didn't see it (or hear it) but, I read on MTV's site (gotta keep up with my
> Spice Girls news) and one other that he puzzled, befuddled and confused
> most of the crowd.  It was apparently some sort of metallish-improv.  It
> seems many fans left the show early or midway through, a few screaming
> their displeasure during the few quiet moments.
>
> -Chris
>
> At 2:22 PM 6/22/98, m. rizzi wrote:
> >I am so lame, I missed last nights debut of Mike Pattons
> >new group Fantomas. Did anyone go? Description/review
> >appreciated.
> >
> >mike
> >
> >--
> >[e-mail] -------------------------------------- www.browbeat.com
> >                   "Another nerd with a soulpatch"
> >-------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 -------
> >
> >-
>
>
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:45:52 -0400
From: "David J. Keffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Musica Transonic + Haino

 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I just finished listening to Incubation for the first time and frankly, I was
>underwhelmed. I'm a huge Haino fan and I like some of the MT/Mainliner/Acid
>Mothers stuff but this one just doesn't seem to work. there doesn't seem
to be
>much meshing between the two styles, just Haino's vocals over the top of a MT
>rave-up that isn't as wild as a lot of their other recorded work. I'd say
give
>this one a miss. Haino's collaborations with other "name" artists don't seem
>to connect with me like much of his solo work or his Fushitsusha material
>does.
>

Well, I have to disagree with this.  The Musica Transonic and Haino
collaboration works for me because I think that there is careful
interplay between Haino's voice and the rest of the instruments,
especially on the first two tracks.  My only regret with this album is
that Haino sings on only 3 of the 7 tracks.
As for comparing "Incubation" to Fushitsusha, well...
I agree this record doesn't have anything like the impact of a
choice Fushitsusha record, but that's not saying a lot.  Fushitsusha is
an extraordinary phenomenon; it's unrealistic to think that
everything Haino puts his finger in is going to turn to gold.
(The same could be said for anyone else, including Zorn.)  ;)

David "Let's keep a level head and give it a second listen" K.

p.s.  Two new Fushitsusha records in the second wave of 4 Haino cds
coming out on Tokuma Records June 24, 1998.  June 24 as in Wednesday!

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:33:37 -0400
From: Brian Carlson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas

I received this fan review of the first show in San Fran on another list.
It reads...............

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:22:27 -0700
To: [e-mail]
From: [e-mail] (Chris Rogers)
Subject: CV:  FantYmas presents itself to the world.
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Chris Rogers)

  -jun 18 thr Fantomas at Slim's, San Francisco  $12advance/$14door all
ages  8pm/9pm

  I got to Slim's around 8:30pm, people outside were talking about how the
show was sold out.  A weathered man standing by the entrance tried to sell
me some half a gram of hash.  The security guys at Slim's were trying to
not let any cameras into the club, but judging from flashes during the
performance, a few got through the pat-down.  On the big screen rolled down
in front of the stage, old-skool Ultraman movies were being shown.  There
were quite a few Bungle & FNM shirts floating around.  I worked my way up
as close to the stage as I could & got within two bodies of the stage.
Slim's is a great venue, perhaps the very best in SF; medium size, great
stage and consistent kick-ass bands playing there.
  I was suprised when the screen rolled up and 'twas Buckethead + DJ Disk
opening.  They've been playing around the Bay Area quite a bit for the past
couple months.  They traffic in one-on-one instrumental-solo duels of the
highest caliber; Buckethead on guitars and DJ Disk on turntables.  It's
fuckin' amazing to watch them square off.  Check out www.bucketheadland.com
for a taste of his shtuff.  They tore it up - with just a drum machine to
lay down a groove, the two ripped out furious intricate solos to drop yer
jaw.  High-Quality entertainment.  Buckethead did the robot dance and also
demonstrated his skill with the nunchucks over the course of the set.  He
alsohanded out a bunch of comics to the audience.  I got an X-Men comic.
Maximum Bob stared at the audience from under his cowboy hat.  This is his
role, he does it at every Buckethead show I've been to.  He does it well.
(Bob has a credit for backing vocals on the Bungle self-titled album.  I'd
like to know exactly what he did since when he's onstage he never speaks.)
The crowd dug 'em.
  Fantomas took a very long time to set up - half of "The Nightmare Before
Christmas".  A group of people cheered randomly at the happenings on the
screen.   A few guys peeked beneath the screen to watch the roadies set up.
Finally the screen rolled up & the show began.  Dave's huge drumset and
Mike's bank of equipment bookended the stage, with Buzzo & Trevor in
between.  They set it up that way so they could have eye contact I suppose.
The best way to describe the sound of the band is "bursts".  There is no
song structure per se; more like a ridiculously slow part followed by a a
ridiculously fast part, repeat, lasting about 1 and a half minutes.  It's
closer to Mike's solo work than Bungle or The Melvins.  Every once in a
while the band would threaten to drop into a groove and produce some
semblance of a cohesive piece, then it would almost immediately be
destroyed by the band flailing at their instruments as hard as possible.
Now this isn't a bad thing, but it gets really fucking annoying when you
expect so much from these guys.  Besides, Anal Cunt does that for a living.
I expected intracacies, fucked-up tempo shifts and VARIETY from these
guys, but instead they're doing this extreme noise terror trip. There were
about 4 instances during the show when Dave would lay down a kick-ass fast
punk/Slayer drumtrack and a song fragment would form atop it for perhaps 10
seconds before being destroyed.  I found myself at times more apt to read
my X-Men comic than watch what was happening on stage two feet away from
me.  But... but... but... I got hope in these guys... hey, it's their first
time and they're just mucking around having a good time and it doesn't
really matter as long as they're enjoying themselves right?  If they
record, it should be interesting to see what they come up with.

- -random chunks from the show:
  *The band was working off of arcanely scribbled notes for each "song",
(not using the mic and just to the band, sez Mike: "ok, number 21.
ready?") they went off of numbers and each song would take up a page or
two.  Mike paid the most attention to his notes, set on a music stand in
front of his equipment.  If they weren't being included in the current
exchange, Buzzo or Trevor might squat to check out their notes on the
floor.
  *There were no words in the songs.  Mike wasn't kidding about that in the
SF Examiner interview.
  *There were two styles of t-shirts on sale.  One white; with a series of
eyes (drawn) in boxes beneath the name across the chest, the other black;
with the name written in big Death Metal calligraphy across the chest and
an evil-looking head for the "O".  Both very cool.  They were $15 each.
  *Though it looked like they really didn't have a set course, you got the
vibe that the band was havin' a good time up there.  They were all smiles.
  *Mike kept tabs on on the band, asking quite a few times "Everyone ok?"
off-mic to see where the guys were at, or making sure they were all on the
same song.
  *After one song, Mike said with a grin off-mic; "Interesting
interpretation, boys!"
  *Only one comment from a heckler turned Mike's head - in between songs
someguy yelled "Hey Mike!  You finally found something you're shitty at:
producing!!"  Mike spun around and blew a kiss in the guy's direction.  The
audience laughed.

  At the very end of the show, right before their last song, Mike addressed
the audience.  He thanked everyone sincerely for showing up, mentioned that
it was their first show and said that he thought the next song would be
their Big Hit.  When the audience laughed, he said "a normal band would
give you one hit, but we've given you like 30 hits here tonight!"  The last
song sounded the same as the rest.  Then the band went offstage to do the
whole encore bit.  I pushed my way up so that I was front and center, right
up against the stage.  I set my comic down on it.  A guy to my right tried
to take Mike's thick sheaf of notes off of the music stand.  An onstage
roadie grabbed his hand and I grabbed his wrist and the roadie wrangled the
notes away from him.  The roadie then reshuffled the notes and set them
back on the music stand,  The band came back out after a bit and Mike
introduced the encore song as one that had been a Big Hit back in the
1930s.  Buzzo smiled and said to the other guys "Ready boys?  Ready men?".
They tear-assed through it, but it had words and everything.  (If someone
could identify what song that was, they would be cool.)  They finished, the
crowd applauded.  Some guy jumped onstage, kissed Mike on the back of the
head(he didn't flinch) and was pushed back into the crowd by the same
roadie.  The crowd began to disperse.  Trey Spruance was wandering around
the audience area, looking as scummy as ever.  People were talking to him
and taking pictures with him & he's a super-nice guy; answering all their
queries, signing tickets and shakin' hands all around.  I couldn't think of
what to say, so I asked him if there was going to be a full-on Secret
Chiefs 3 junket in the Bay Area in the forseeable future (as opposed to the
abbreviated show in the backroom at Mission Records 2 months ago).  He said
that it's kinda hard to get the whole band together 'cause everyone lives
in different places, but he said they just came off their Aussie tour and
it was great.  Then he said that the main thing that he's focusing on right
now is the new Bungle album (which was going to be my next question, so I
was glad that he led into it!).  I asked him about the new Bungle album
and... and... I completely forgot what he said.  I told him how much I dug
his work, and he was like "thanks, man!".  He's a super-cool guy.  I shook
his hand and then headed for the exit.  Talked to Jeremy from the CV list
on the way out.  He was suprised that I had shaved most of my hair off
since last I saw him.  Then I drove home, then I wrote this, then I went to
sleep(presumably).  On a scale of 1 to 4 I don't think I'm going to bother
trying to rate this experience.

  Sorry I wrote so much, if you have any feedback it may take a long time
for me to respond 'cause I'm heading off to Europe for a month on Saturday.
So you'll have to tell me how the Sunday show goes.  'til next time...
warm pizza and ripe papayas to you...
         - c h r i s                                    [4:07am]








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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:32:02 +0100
From: Nils Jacobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Grassy Knoll III

Dan Hewins <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> I know this may be a bit off subject but I would like some recommendations.
>
> My roomate picked up "Grassy Knoll III" a couple of weeks ago (probably
> because of the names Ellery Eskelin and Thurston Moore) and I have been
> listening to it for the last couple of days.  I really like it!

The other Grassy Knoll albums are close to the level of III.  Go get
Positive, the second release.  It's a nice tidbit.

Something maybe close is Ben Neill.  He has a couple albums out.  The one
I have is called Tryptical.  Beat-heavy but with instrumental flair.

As for the live performances, I am fairly certain these guys know how to
play their instruments.  They've been together for a while now.  It's
possible (amazing though it may sound) for a musician to have a bad day,
or a group of musicians not to be together.  This particular group is not
that used to being a live band, their work has mostly been in the
studio.  Part of the problem is marketing, they don't fit into a niche
with a venue with an audience.

- -Nils

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:15:53 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Downtown Lullaby error

In a message dated 98-06-22 15:32:55 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< So far the Depth Of Field recordings (all two of them) have some small
 problems.  Is it that they were made in haste or is it just carelessness?
 I posted before that on the "Euclid's Nighmare" disc there are repeated
 tracks (7 and 18, for example). >>

   Actually, a friend of mine wrote to Previte asking about this and he wrote
back saying that it was intentional and thanked my friend for noticing.
 I like that disk more and more each time I listen to it.
   -nick

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:35:26 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Downtown Lullaby error

Dan Hewins wrote:

> Is this label going to only release 100% improv discs or what?  I don't
> really mean that but so far that's all there is.

Next on the agenda is an already-recorded album of Bobby's classic fusion
repertoire band The Horse, an all-new studio recording.  There may be another
album of the Lullaby quartet recorded live at the Knitting Factory.  And
before long there will be discs by other artists, but not before sometime next
year.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:55:57 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Hancock

> > Finally, does anyone know of a Ron Carter trio album with Hancock and
> > Cobham??

 On Ron Carter's "Uptown Conversation" (1969), there are some tracks with just
 Carter, Hancock and Cobham. Don't know whether there's a whole album with
 just the three of them.

> You're not referring to the Milestone album Carter made about 1980 with
> Hancock and Tony Williams are you? If so, I have it on vinyl and can look
> up the particulars on it if you're interested.

 There are several Carter/Hancock/Williams trio albums out. You're talking
 about Carter's "Third Plane" (rec. 1977, rel. 1978); there's also "The
 Herbie Hancock Trio '77" and "Herbie Hancock Trio With Ron Carter + Tony
 Williams" (1981). The latter ones have only been issued in Japan.

 Regards,
 - Chris.

 ---------------------------------------------
 *    Chris Genzel --- [e-mail]    *
 * Homepage & Herbie Hancock Discography at: *
 *    http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/   *
 ---------------------------------------------


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:51:20 +0100
From: "Olivier Nguyen Van Tan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas

This description of "metallish-improv" sounds great to me !!!
:)))

Who are the member of Fantomas ?


Olivier


- -----Message d'origine-----
>From: "m. rizzi" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Mike Patton's Fantomas
>
>I am so lame, I missed last nights debut of Mike Pattons
>new group Fantomas. Did anyone go? Description/review
>appreciated.


>From: "Chris Bar{ett" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas
>
>Didn't see it (or hear it) but, I read on MTV's site (gotta keep up with my
>Spice Girls news) and one other that he puzzled, befuddled and confused
>most of the crowd.  It was apparently some sort of metallish-improv.  It
>seems many fans left the show early or midway through, a few screaming
>their displeasure during the few quiet moments.
>
>- -Chris



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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:01:59 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mike Patton's Fantomas

> Who are the member of Fantomas ?

Trevor Dunn (Mr Bungle) on bass
Dave Lombardo (Slayer) on drums
Buzz Osborne (Melvins) on guitar
and of course Patton making noises out front

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