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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #387
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Zorn List Digest Monday, June 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 387
In this issue:
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Re: Fripp thinks he is a god
books about "black music"
Can [Re: Recent George Clinton live shows]
Re: Andre Popp
Last Call For Hemingway In Ventura
Re: Can
Re: Can
Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
ruins
Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
RE: Can
Re: ruins
New Zorn Page Address
NY Flattop Box
Sorry, folks (re: Chadbourne recs)
Re: New Zorn Page Address Correction
Kronos, again
Re: Can
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:56:55 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Fripp thinks he is a god
TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
> after
> hearing the Projekt 2 CD, I couldn't think of anything that left me
> more....unimpressed and opinionless. It did absolutely nothing at all for me.
I had a lukewarm reaction to the CD too. Still do, in fact, But the
live show I caught(Huntington, LI) was fantastic. Belews drumming was
OK, but what really amazed me was the amount, and quality of
improvisation, from Fripp and Gunn. It was the best Fripp performance
Ive seen since 1981. Not to be missed. In fact I'm going to drive the
200 miles to see the 6/28 show in Somerville Mass.
Rich
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:15:48 -0500
From: Joe Germuska <j-germuska@nwu.edu>
Subject: books about "black music"
At 4:22 PM -0500 6/5/98, Zorn List Digest wrote:
>The one book you DO need is the superb "Funk, the music the people and the
>rhythm of the one" by Rickey Vincent, published by St.Martin's Griffin (US)
>in 1996.
I think Vincent's book is valuable, if only because it's the first book to
deal with Funk as it's own genre, which is absolutely appropriate and
right. But I have to admit, I gradually grew frustrated at his endless
cheerleaderism -- he was SO positive about every album that I never really
felt like I could use his commentary to know what I wanted to pursue next.
It's not only that he was always positive, but he didn't say a whole lot
about what really happened in the music. I should probably re-read some of
it before letting that impression ossify, but it's not the best music
writing I've ever come across, how ever dear the subject is to my heart or
the author's.
In any case, other books about "black music"
* BLUES PEOPLE by LeRoi Jones -- probably the first book to address
African-american music as a distinct concept. Seminal.
* BLACK MUSIC OF TWO WORLDS by John Storm Roberts -- a little dry, but does
a nice job of following the various ways in which African and European (and
to a less obvious extent, Arabic) music met and fused in North and South
America.
* SWEET SOUL MUSIC by Peter Guralnick -- since you asked specifically about
books about Soul or R&B. This is the only one I've read on the subject.
It's more about the people than about the music, but I enjoyed it quite a
bit. It covers Memphis/Macon/Muscle Shoals thoroughly, but did leave me
wishing for more about Philly, Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit, and other
important soul cities.
* AS SERIOUS AS YOUR LIFE by Valerie Wilmer -- closest to the actual topic
of this list. Wilmer covers the development of free jazz, again through
the people, and doesn't shy away from social/political/racial implications
of the music.
Of course, there are lots more. I like Gene Santoro's "Dancing In Your
Head" which covers all kinds of stuff from early jazz and blues through
rock, pop, and soul, and into the edges of creative jazz. I think Francis
Davis is good too. Why doesn't somebody start a music magazine that gives
folks like that a regular place to publish for readers like us?
Joe
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* Joe Germuska {j-germuska@nwu.edu} | Learning Technologies Group
<http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska> | Northwestern University
"One thing I've learned about time...
...It moves very slowly." --LaMonte Young
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 00:25:57 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Can [Re: Recent George Clinton live shows]
JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> Can we do Can next, Steve? (Tago Mago-greatest rock album ever!)
It's funny you should say that... I hope this doesn't mark me a pariah, but I just
bought my first Can disc ever just last Saturday. "Soon Over Babaluma." It's
cool... not a revelation, but that's most likely because my ears are coming at it
from the wrong direction, post-"Metal Box" and so on. I try to imagine what this
must have been like with no precedent... Anyway, I'm interested enough by that
one to want further recommendations, from you and anyone else out there. "Tago
Mago," you say? Why's that?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:57:21 +0200
From: "Arjan Plug" <ajplug@bart.nl>
Subject: Re: Andre Popp
>The reissue CD is on Basta (Germany, but distributed by Sony), and I found
>it yesterday at both Amoeba and Rasputin in Berkeley, so it's got to be
>pretty available. Look in the lounge/cocktail section wherever you are.
or order it directly from the Basta-site http://max.eastsite.nl/BASTA/
Arjan
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:09:38 -0700
From: "pf(the magic)MENTUM" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Last Call For Hemingway In Ventura
One last reminder that the Gerry Hemingway Quartet will be appearing at City
Hall in Ventura on Saturday, June 13 @ 8pm for $7. Tickets at the door. A
promotional newsletter and a custom-made postcard reminder are available
upon request via private e-mail.
This Has Been A pfMENTUM Service Announcement
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 11:51:32 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Can
At 12:25 AM 6/6/98 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
>I just bought my first Can disc ever just last Saturday. "Soon Over
Babaluma." >It's cool... not a revelation, but that's most likely because
my ears are coming >at it from the wrong direction, post-"Metal Box" and so
on. I try to imagine >what this must have been like with no precedent...
Anyway, I'm interested >enough by that one to want further recommendations,
from you and anyone else out >there. "Tago Mago," you say? Why's that?
The four albums they put out in the early 1970s, Tago Mago (1971), Ege
Bamyasi (1972), Future Days (1973) and concluding with Soon Over Babaluma
(1974) are their best. This body of work combines song forms with extended
jams (especially on TM) and innovative studio work. Several years ago the
Wire put Soon Over Babaluma on the 100 greatest albums of all time list,
but gave Future Days and TM honorable mentions. Can't really go wrong with
any of them.
- -
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:15:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Can
On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:
> The four albums they put out in the early 1970s, Tago Mago (1971), Ege
> Bamyasi (1972), Future Days (1973) and concluding with Soon Over Babaluma
> (1974) are their best. This body of work combines song forms with extended
> jams (especially on TM) and innovative studio work. Several years ago the
> Wire put Soon Over Babaluma on the 100 greatest albums of all time list,
> but gave Future Days and TM honorable mentions. Can't really go wrong with
> any of them.
'Tis true and I would add _Monster Movie_ to that list (just to have
something with Malcolm Mooney in it :-)). But seriously, it contains the
immortal 20 minute long "Yoo Doo Right" that is just one maaasssiiivveee
groove. Mooney's singing can get a bit intense at times, but "Yoo Doo
Right" is a *classic* Can song.
cya
brian
- --------------------------------------------------------
"The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to
distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 19:29:16 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
Spent a decent part of the afternoon in the Metropolitan Museum and, for
the first time in a while, ambled through the musical instruments
section, again marveling at the sheer number and wild variety of
noisemakers. The brass and reed section alone is incredible, with items
ranging from normal instruments made from unusual substances (an
earthenware hunting horn, a clear plastic clarinet, an ivory flute) to
mutant offspring like hinged clarinets and double-belled euphoniums and
cornets (about a hundred years before Ben Neill). Amazing place (and the
only part of the museum where, in my judgment, one can properly use the
museum-supplied headphones).
My question is: aside from the "garden variety" strange instruments
(we'll keep it in the wind family for now) like contrabass saxes,
shawms, etc. used by the Braxtons, Ewarts and Parrans of the world, can
anyone name recordings, in the jazz/improv field or otherwise, featuring
some of the odder members of this group? For example, the wonderfully
named ophicleide (or bass horn) is a marvelous looking antecedant of the
tuba--I'd love to hear it in action. SOMEONE must play this thing. The
only person I can think of who played sarrusaphone (a double-reed
saxophone, essentially) was the late Gerald Oshita (once on a Roscoe
Mitchell disc which also featured Brian Smith on a triple contrabass
viol which required him to stand on a riser to play!). There must be
someone out there laying claim to being the Derek Bailey of the
aptly-named serpent! Anyone?
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:54:14 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
Brian Olewnick wrote:
> (once on a Roscoe
> Mitchell disc which also featured Brian Smith on a triple contrabass
> viol which required him to stand on a riser to play!).
So that's who that was! For years I've been trying to remember who
played the tall bass -- I knew there was some relationship to the
AEC but not a member of it. Thanks...
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||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 01:46:51 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
> My question is: aside from the "garden variety" strange instruments
> (we'll keep it in the wind family for now) like contrabass saxes,
> shawms, etc. used by the Braxtons, Ewarts and Parrans of the world, can
> anyone name recordings, in the jazz/improv field or otherwise, featuring
> some of the odder members of this group?
Adolph Sax, while inventing different saxophones, made a steam powered
sax and a thing called the "saxo-cannon" (not sure if it actually shot
cannonballs) (: This is at least what my music teacher told me but
he's a burnout fuck-up so don't quote me on it.
Not that strange but worth mention is Mats Gustafsson's "flutephone"
which is essentially a flute with a sax mouthpiece (probably so he can
blow the shit out of it).
> There must be someone out there laying claim to being the Derek Bailey
> of the aptly-named serpent! Anyone?
Not exactly Bailey, but Michel Godard plays the tuba and serpent and is
on quite a few Enja discs.
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 02:18:46 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
Brian Olewnick wrote:
> For example, the wonderfully
> named ophicleide (or bass horn) is a marvelous looking antecedant of the
> tuba--I'd love to hear it in action. SOMEONE must play this thing.
I'd be interested in hearing this in an exposed situation as well, but one
place you can sort of hear the ophicleide is on Roger Norrington's "period
instruments" recording of Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique on EMI, most
likely available at midprice or lower now. A veritable smorgasbord of odd
sounds from within the traditional European orchestra format.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP: Parliament, "Funkentelechy vs. the Placebo Syndrome" (Sir Nose
D'Voidoffunk)
- -
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:20:00 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
Tom Pratt wrote:
> Not that strange but worth mention is Mats Gustafsson's "flutephone"
> which is essentially a flute with a sax mouthpiece (probably so he can
> blow the shit out of it).
Probably so; he does get an interesting sound out of it. That's the
first time I've heard it done with a flute (surprised, in hindsight, it
took so long), but I've always been fond of the sound of the reed
trumpet, especially Rahsaan on something like 'Bye Bye Blackbird'. I'm
guessing the reason it's not more popular is that it's limited to one
octave--is this true? Back around 1978, Joe McPhee would occasionally
play a pocket cornet fitted with a baritone sax mouthpiece; it resulted
in a lovely low sound midway between brass and reed, all the more
surprising coming from such a tiny instrument.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:02:02 PDT
From: "Dominique Leone" <d_leone@hotmail.com>
Subject: ruins
When does the Ruins' Symphonica come out?
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:09:30 EDT
From: <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Of Ophicleides and Sarrusaphones
In a message dated 98-06-07 09:23:09 EDT, you write:
<< > Not that strange but worth mention is Mats Gustafsson's "flutephone"
> which is essentially a flute with a sax mouthpiece (probably so he can
> blow the shit out of it).
Probably so; he does get an interesting sound out of it. That's the
first time I've heard it done with a flute (surprised, in hindsight, it
took so long), but I've always been fond of the sound of the reed
trumpet, >>
I seem to remember Eddie Harris doing a lot of reed trumpet things too.
Dale.
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 23:29:17 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: RE: Can
> "Tago Mago," you say? Why's that?
- - "SOON OVER BABALUMA" is excelent record, but I prefere the albums with
Kenji "Damo" SUZUKI on vocals (TAGO, EGE, FUTURE). I've heard a story
about how he became band singer - Can members met him in a pub in Koeln
(Germany), he was drunk and screeming, they took him home and next day
proposed to be band singer.
If you would like have good overview of Can's work I highly recommend
"CANNIBALISM 1", which is a good selection of their early recordings,
including the famous "Yoo Doo Right" track, which is an excellent
example of Can's live performane.
- - "CANNIBALISM"
CD 'C74:14-12' SPOON (CD001/2) 1989.
1. Father Can Not Yell. (7:05)/ 2. Soup. (3:03)/ 3. Mother Sky. (6:41)/
4. She Brings The Rain. (4:07)/ 5. Mushroom. (4:31)/ 6. One More Night.
(5:37)/ 7. Outside My Door. (4:11)/ 8. Spoon. (3:09)/ 9. Halleluwah.
(5:39)/ 10. Aumgn. (7:18)/ 11. Dizzy Dizzy. (3:30)/ 12. Yoo Doo Right.
(20:20).
______________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak (arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl) (spam filter in
use)
www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: ruins
On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Dominique Leone wrote:
> When does the Ruins' Symphonica come out?
it's out now.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:22:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: New Zorn Page Address
Some people asked me; the address for this new site is
http://members.xoom.com/jscuth
I'm not at all involved but I recognize this name from this list...
WY
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:35:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: NY Flattop Box
Some folks probably already know this, but I thought I'd share it anyway.
On Eugene Chadbourne's "LSD C&W" he has a cover of Johnny Cash's
"Tennessee Flat Top Box". It has a part where it suddenly gets fast like
demented bebop and then slows back down, similar to NY Flat Top Box.
Cash's version doesn't have this. So I guess that's where that song came
from.
By the way I've been listening to some of those early Chadbourne LPs w/
Zorn, Tom Cora, David Moss, etc. (another one is "There'll Be No Tears
Tonight"). They're great!! Some people might find them a little indulgent
but there's some funny stuff, mostly warped country songs w/ noise and
bebop thrown in. Great playing, including duck calls. I don't know if
they are available anywhere b/c I taped them from my radio station but
just thought I'd share. email me if you want, I guess.
WY, currently at gsmedes@worldnet.att
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:44:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Sorry, folks (re: Chadbourne recs)
the correct address is gsmedes@worldnet.att.net, if anyone was interested
in knowing more about those Chadbourne recs. For the record, does anyone
know for certain if any w/ Zorn in this country style ARE on CD? Thanks
WY
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:51:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: New Zorn Page Address Correction
It's probably this:
> > http://members.xoom.com/jschuth
I left out an h.
If it's not right you can hurt me- esp. J. Zitt who got this message
twice.
WY
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:54:13 +0300 (WET)
From: Vadim Marmer <msvadi@olive.mscc.huji.ac.il>
Subject: Kronos, again
i`d like to thank the person who recommended "Pieces of Africa" to me.
i picked up it, and it stays in my CD player 24 hours a day. i really
like eastern/african melodies and strings on it.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:54:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Can
On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:
> The four albums they put out in the early 1970s, Tago Mago (1971), Ege
> Bamyasi (1972), Future Days (1973) and concluding with Soon Over Babaluma
> (1974) are their best. This body of work combines song forms with extended
> jams (especially on TM) and innovative studio work. Several years ago the
> Wire put Soon Over Babaluma on the 100 greatest albums of all time list,
> but gave Future Days and TM honorable mentions. Can't really go wrong with
> any of them.
_ege bamyasi_ has always been my favorite for the sheer polyrhythmic
drive. the earlier can records like _delay 1968_, _monster movie_ and
_sounbdtracks_ have a rawer, more proto-punk edge.
even can agrees that mileage varies greatly after _future days_ because
they began over-dubbing parts with greater frequency, losing the
improvisational group-composing style that made tracks like "mother sky"
so massive.
b
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