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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #362
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Zorn List Digest Monday, May 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 362
In this issue:
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Re: Serialism
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #361
Re: Recent Goodies
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #361
Re: Cage
More Cage's 4:33 stuff
Re: Cage
Re: More Cage's 4:33 stuff
Re: Cage
Best Version I've Found Of 4'33"
Option magazine
icecream w/evan parker (+zoviet:france)for five or six hours before packing up
Re: Option magazine
BECK / UNAUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTION OF SOUND RECORDINGS
Recent Goodies
Re: Why Zorn
Henry kaiser Web Page
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:06:33 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Serialism
Peter Hollo wrote:
(hilarious article snipped)
> Yeah, well reading it again, it's certainly a parody... I think?
I'm sure, but it was wonderful. Sounds like something Umberto Eco
would've come up with. More likely, the source might have been 'The
Journal of Irreproducible Results' or a similar publication which
produces scholarly-sounding articles on the most ridiculous subjects. My
favorite concerned the impending disaster facing the US Eastern
seaboard: Due to the weight of billions of copies of National Geographic
in closets and attics, the entire East Coast is threatened with
submersion!
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:40:06 -0500
From: "Eric C. Honour, Jr." <ech580@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #361
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 21:21:17 PDT
>From: "Wilfredo Casas" <rubberplant@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Cage
>
>In which recording I find Cage's "4'33''"? Or can you recommend some
>Cage CD's for me?
>
>I'll appreciate your help.
>
>Thank you,
>Juan
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Is this a joke? (The "4:33" part, I mean) You can find it in any
recording you own -- just hit the pause button and wait for 4:33. :)
My favorite Cage recording is of his "Atlas Eclipticalis" performed by the
Chicago Symphony Orchestra with James Levine (DG 431 698-2). This disc
also has Carter's Variations for Orchestra, Schuller's Spectra, and
Babbitt's Correspondences.
If the 4:33 thing wasn't a joke... perform it yourself! That is almost
certainly going to be more interesting than any recording that exists. BTW
- -- you should check into it, as the original piece was not even technically
4:33, but a three-movement piece for any instrument(s) where nothing was
played in any of the movements.
Eric
- --------------------------
Eric C. Honour, Jr.
Composer * Saxophonist * Graphic Designer
MMus (Saxophone Performance and Composition)
Northwestern University
MrTheory@no.spam.nwu.edu
- --------------------------
Black holes are where God divided by zero.
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:55:43 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Goodies
Brian Olewnick wrote:
>
> JOHN LUTHER ADAMS CLOUDS OF UNKNOWING, CLOUDS OF FORGETTING
> (New World)
>
> The other John Adams.
Other than John D.F. Adams, I take it... or maybe that third guy who
does the operas :-)
> It's a piece for chamber
> orchestra, aggravatingly (to me) mystical in tone (and explicitly meant
> to be, according to the composer's liner notes),
Hmm... what makes a piece sound "mystical in tone"?
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|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:05:25 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #361
Eric C. Honour, Jr. wrote:
> If the 4:33 thing wasn't a joke... perform it yourself! That is almost
> certainly going to be more interesting than any recording that exists. BTW
> -- you should check into it, as the original piece was not even technically
> 4:33, but a three-movement piece for any instrument(s) where nothing was
> played in any of the movements.
Not quite accurate. Cage carefully calculated and notated the durations.
It was only some years later that he loosened the idea.
See the archives of the Silence list at
http://newalbion.com/artists/cagej/silence/ for discussions of this. (We
gotta do an FAQ someday...)
- --
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|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:15:24 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Cage
On Fri, 08 May 1998 21:21:17 PDT "Wilfredo Casas" wrote:
>
> In which recording I find Cage's "4'33''"? Or can you recommend some
> Cage CD's for me?
The problem is not to find a version of it, but a good one. I have yet
to find one that I am very satisfied with. The interprets on the one
currently available are fairly overbearing. In fact, one day I thought
that I had found the ultimate interpretation of it, to finally realized
that I had just forgotten to plug on my CD player. Also, be careful
about the freedom some players take with its duration.
Patrice.
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:53:01 -0500
From: "Eric C. Honour, Jr." <ech580@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject: More Cage's 4:33 stuff
>Eric C. Honour, Jr. wrote:
>
[snip] the original piece was not even technically
>> 4:33, but a three-movement piece for any instrument(s) where nothing was
>> played in any of the movements.
>
>Not quite accurate. Cage carefully calculated and notated the durations.
>It was only some years later that he loosened the idea.
>
>See the archives of the Silence list at
>http://newalbion.com/artists/cagej/silence/ for discussions of this. (We
>gotta do an FAQ someday...)
>--
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>|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
>||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
>|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
Actually I knew that, but I couldn't remember the exact durations he
specified, so I just mentioned that there was more than just the 4:33
everyone remembers. I know David Tudor (piano) did the premiere and
signaled the three "nonmovements" (as Bob Machlis puts it) by raising and
lowering his arms (as though to play). I think that the entire piece WAS
4:33 long, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the title was
originally something else. True?
Eric
- --------------------------
Eric C. Honour, Jr.
Composer * Saxophonist * Graphic Designer
MMus (Saxophone Performance and Composition)
Northwestern University
MrTheory@no.spam.nwu.edu
- --------------------------
Black holes are where God divided by zero.
- -
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:57:54 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Cage
> In which recording I find Cage's "4'33''"? Or can you recommend some
> Cage CD's for me?
i have three versions. one is actually 4:33 (No. 2) in which the piece was
'reorchestrated' for any player doing anything for 4:33. this is featured on
a hatART cd called 'music for five' but i recommend more heartily a
recording of the original, in which a musician is instructed to play nothing
(tacet) for 4:33. there's a recording on Cramps where the piece is
performed by Gianni Emilio Simonetti. this version was recorded in the
70s and due to the inaccuracies of analog mastering runs a bit over 4:33 on
the cd counter, but the analog fidelity is exquisite. then there's one of my
favorite cds, containing just a recording of 4:33 by Wayne Marshall
recorded in top notch, noise free digital sound-- this is on Floating Earth
records. Call it a joke if you like. Would that we all could have composed
such a joke.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
- -
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:04:38 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: More Cage's 4:33 stuff
Eric C. Honour, Jr. wrote:
> Actually I knew that, but I couldn't remember the exact durations he
> specified, so I just mentioned that there was more than just the 4:33
> everyone remembers. I know David Tudor (piano) did the premiere and
> signaled the three "nonmovements" (as Bob Machlis puts it) by raising and
> lowering his arms (as though to play). I think that the entire piece WAS
> 4:33 long, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the title was
> originally something else. True?
Well, he had talked earlier about doing a piece without intentional
sound named "Silent Prayer", I believe (my copy of James Pritchett's
indispensible "The Music of John Cage" is still in a box here
someplace).
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|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:19:34 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Cage
At 09:21 PM 5/8/98 PDT, you wrote:
>In which recording I find Cage's "4'33''"?
>Thank you,
>Juan
Why not just perform it for yourself?
- ------------------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4
New at Funhouse: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan obituary.
"Zathras beast of burden to many others. Is sad
life. Probably have sad death. But at least
there is symmetry." -- Zathras
- -
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:32:49 -0700
From: dragon-frog@juno.com (Dragon -------- Frog)
Subject: Best Version I've Found Of 4'33"
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:04:22 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Option magazine
Since I've been writing for Option since the third issue, maybe I can
answer some of the recent questions about the magazine. Every other month,
reviewers are sent a package of five or six albums to review. The editor
makes the decision based on what he (or at one time she) knows about the
reviewer's tastes and experience; we can't request specific titles. The
idea is to match album with reviewer and several years back there was even
supposed to be some kind of card file for each reviewer but I don't know
how closely that works out anymore. It's in the nature of the process that
some mismatches will occur and perhaps that's not really such a bad thing
as long as it's only a few. I don't know what experiences others have had
but in all the time I've been writing for Option (14, 15 years?), there's
never been anything that could even remotely be considered an attempt to
influence my opinion. In fact, several times my negative review has
appeared in the same issue (a couple of times on the same page) as an ad
from the record label.
As for the change in emphasis, some of this may be inevitable as people
come and go or interests change. (Though it's worth noting that two former
editors are now at Rolling Stone.) Though much of Option's early edge is
certainly gone and the political pieces that used to run are much missed,
it does still cover quite a bit of worthwhile music. Whether it covers
enough, of course, is for you to decide. Though they certainly get too
many "Why don't you write about..." letters, a few that indicated interest
in improv or whatever couldn't hurt. After all, if the editors don't know,
they aren't likely to change anything. (And it can't hurt when I again
propose profiling the Shaking Ray Levis for them to know there are people
who want to read it.)
- ------------------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4
New at Funhouse: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan obituary.
"Zathras beast of burden to many others. Is sad
life. Probably have sad death. But at least
there is symmetry." -- Zathras
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:59:06 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: icecream w/evan parker (+zoviet:france)for five or six hours before packing up
I saw a totally sick set w/Evan Parker and Georg Graewe at Frank Lloyd
Wright's Unity Temple this past Saturday. EP is a protean monster whose
shtick modifies itself in more ways than reconfiguration: this I now
know. And Graewe is a gorgeous pianist, whose sensitivity is easily as
impressive as, just to drop two names who've got me off over the last
couple years, Marilyn Crispell and Paul Plimley, w/ a "serial" feeling
and lots Cecil-at-his-best heavy left-hand shifting lava harmony
happening. It wasawesome. The solo set by Park the night before was
intense and showed his latest solo-tenor stylings in a way the CHICAGO
SOLO on Okka didn't even approximate (still liked that record, tho).
I had ice cream w/ Mr. Parker and others afterword and asked him about
the sort-of recent Zoviet:France gig. He said ZF were one of several
groups at the all-night rave in question, and he (EP) played with the
group for five or six hours until he packed up (at 6:00 in the morning,
and ZF wanted to keep going!). I have NO IDEA where to start
w/Zoviet:France, so if anyone has recommendations, I'd love to hear
them. (Maybe you should reply off-list.)
Also saw a sick noise improv by Ab Baars, two guys from the Ex, and Han
Bennink. I don't think I liked it, but I was also ina foul state of
mind and that might have poisoned my ears. It was intense, at least.
And Han Bennink definitely earned his BMF degree a long time ago.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 02:26:57 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Option magazine
Lang Thompson wrote:
> (Though it's worth noting that two former
> editors are now at Rolling Stone.)
One, actually. Jason Fine is still at Rolling Stone; Mark Kemp has moved on to
MTV...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:08:08 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: BECK / UNAUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTION OF SOUND RECORDINGS
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:46:42 -0700
From: "Hilderley, Susan" <*@geffen.com>
To: "'rtmark@paranoia.com'" <rtmark@paranoia.com>,
"'illegalart@detritus.net'" <illegalart@detritus.net>,
"'steev@CYBORGANIC.NET'" <steev@CYBORGANIC.NET>,
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Cc: "'Denise_Incorvaia/RIAA@riaa.com'" <*@riaa.com>,
"Rosenblatt, Eddie" <*@geffen.com>,
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"Kenin, Melissa" <*@geffen.com>,
"Schiller, Jennifer" <*@GEFFEN-LA.Geffen.com>
Subject: BECK / UNAUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTION OF SOUND RECORDINGS
May 8, 1998
Illegal Art
RTMark
RE: BECK / UNAUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTION OF SOUND RECORDINGS
To Whom It May Concern:
Geffen Records, Inc. ("Geffen") is party to an exclusive recording
agreement with the recording artist professionally known as Beck
("Artist"), and accordingly Geffen is the copyright owner of, with
exclusive rights to, the performances of Artist recorded during the term
of such agreement and the exclusive owner of the right to use the
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It has come to Geffen's attention that you intend to distribute, and
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Deconstructing Beck containing master recordings embodying Artist's
performances and using Artist's name and likeness (the "Record"). As
Geffen has not granted permission for the use of the foregoing master
recordings or name and likeness, or the distribution of the Record, such
use and distribution of the Record violates the U.S. copyright laws and
the law of the State of California, and may subject you to other
actionable claims under relevant state and federal laws.
Geffen hereby demands that you immediately cease and desist from any
further distribution or other use of the Record, that you cause any and
all third parties to whom you have entered into any agreement with
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that you furnish us with an affidavit in which you represent that you
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In the event Geffen has not received the affidavit requested within
seven (7) days from the date hereof, Geffen will pursue appropriate
legal redress against you and any other infringing parties, including,
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Nothing contained herein shall be deemed an admission of any fact or a
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matter, whether at law or in equity, all of which rights and remedies
are hereby expressly reserved.
Sincerely,
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- -
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:30:37 -0400
From: Marc Downing <mpdownin@fes.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Recent Goodies
Many thanks to the person recommended Miles' Dark Magus. It is unbelievably
good.
A recommendation (but no critique - I've heard it only once so far):
Astor Piazzola and Gerry Mulligan 1974.
It is, as is typical of anything Astor Piazzola plays on or writes, beautiful.
Marc
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:26:36 PDT
From: "Jeff Schuth" <jschuth@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Why Zorn
I don't think that anyone got the point of my initial comment, so Ill
just come out and say it: there is hardly any discussion here on the
actual music. Doesn't anyone else get tired about people talking about
what is good, instead of why something is good?
I want to know how people listen to their music. It might sound
elementary, but I'm willing to bet that everyone listens to this music
differently; so it could prove to be an interesting conversation. For
example: Torture Garden can be listened to rather straight forward and
for pure musical enjoyment--but how should one listen to Parachute
years, which to many sounds like plain noise
Thanx!
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:21:49 -0400
From: Louis Schwartz <lschwart@richmond.edu>
Subject: Henry kaiser Web Page
A month or so ago someone posted the URL for a Henry Kaiser Web Page. I've
recetly lost all my bookmarks and can't find the page. Could that some one
please post it again or send it to me privately?
Thanks,
Louis Schwartz
========================
Louis Schwartz
English Department
University of Richmond
Richmond, VA 23173
(804) 289-8315
LSCHWART@RICHMOND.EDU
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