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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #355
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, May 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 355
In this issue:
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Re: Ground Zero - Plays Standards
Re: Re: Why Zorn
Re: Ground Zero - Plays Standards
Re: Why Zorn
Re: James Bond
Re: Ground Zero - Plays Standards
Re[2]: Ground Zero - Plays Standards
Re: Why Zorn
Roof / Compilazoo
Ground Zero-Consume Red
Have you heard....?
Re: Why Zorn
Re: Have you heard....?
Towering Inferno
Re: THEE ALLMIGHTY
Re: Why Zorn
Kato Hideki new solo disc
Seattle Listening Group
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #353
Quick notes
Clusone Trio Tour Re:Boston
Re: Have you heard....?
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 06:51:14 -0700
From: dragon-frog@juno.com (Andrew p McMullen)
Subject: Re: Ground Zero - Plays Standards
If one could only own either Satndards or Consume Red, which should one
choose and why?
DF Sinner
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:09:45 EDT
From: Sulacco <Sulacco@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Why Zorn
its like what someone said on the zappa ng:
"i just got tired of the ordinary"
(of course, i don't remember who said it, so i can't credit them.)
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:18:36 -0400
From: "Andy Marks" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Re: Ground Zero - Plays Standards
> If one could only own either Satndards or Consume Red, which should one
> choose and why?
I would have to say Standards because:
1. It rawks! :-)
2. Variety. Consume Red is one big long piece.
3. More of a group feel. Consume Red seems more like an Otomo solo piece.
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:27:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh)
Subject: Re: Why Zorn
Besides Zorn making good music, he also represents a culture that is pretty
wide and textured. Gainsbourg, Godard, Japanese porn, fashion,
soundtracks, artist films, etc. and of course - etc.
- -----------------
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh)
Subject: Re: James Bond
I think John Barry did write the main Bond theme. Due to music business
practices he didn't get credit for it. But I don't fully understand what
happened and why he didn't get credit for the piece. But I am pretty sure
Barry wrote the theme.
- -----------------
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
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- -
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:42:08 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Ground Zero - Plays Standards
>>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew p McMullen <dragon-frog@juno.com> writes:
Andrew> If one could only own either Satndards or Consume Red,
Andrew> which should one choose and why?
Standards is what the name says, a number of covers of various tunes
which may or may not be previously known. Being covers of pop songs
and movie music, the form is relatively traditional, and there is a
higher degree of familiarity in the music. The tracks are all
separate, so you could put it in a CD shuffle, either by itself or
with other CDs, if you're so inclined. My colleague who likes GZ
prefers Standards.
Consume Red is one long track focused on a long drawn-out sound of the
hojok, one of the Korean classical instruments, which is played by
itself in the beginning of the piece, then interrupted more and more
often by the GZ brand of chaos. By the end, the classical instrument
is completely obscured. Some people really don't like the hojok, and
I admit it takes a little getting used to, and has a much lower level
of familiarity than the pop songs of Standards, really nasal and
abrasive, somewhat similar to Tibetan monks, maybe. I feel exhausted
after listening to this piece, but I'm dazzled by it every time. It's
much more experimental and ambitious in form than Standards. If I
could only choose one, I'd choose Consume Red.
So, if your taste runs to more experimental stuff and you like long
forms and Asian classical music, try Consume Red. If you're more
conservative (relatively speaking of course) and you're more
comfortable with songs, try Standards.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Tue, 05 May 98 10:38:42 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Ground Zero - Plays Standards
If one could only own either Satndards or Consume Red, which should one
choose and why?
'Standards' is a great deal of fun and a fine record; 'Consume Red' is
the best "rock" album I've heard since 'Leng T'che' (haters of that
album can take that as they please). 'Consume Red' is what alternative
bands will sound like in ten years though, of course, much worse. An
extraordinary album, my personal choice for best release of 1997,
narrowly edging out Braxton's 'Quartet, Santa Cruz, 1993'.
Obsessive, dense, staggeringly powerful. Get it.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:27:51 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Why Zorn
> Besides Zorn making good music, he also represents a culture that is pretty
> wide and textured. Gainsbourg, Godard, Japanese porn, fashion,
------
> soundtracks, artist films, etc. and of course - etc.
What's Zorn's involvement with fashion ?
(Besides his orange Masada-T-shirt and camouflage-pants?)
-
- -
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:33:03 +0200
From: Julien Quint <Julien.Quint@xrce.xerox.com>
Subject: Roof / Compilazoo
[I don't know who wrote this:]
> Roof also has one live track on a deleted sampler I still have to get
> hold of: 093 - COMPIL A ZOO: various artists
> 1996 - Zoorganization?? (??), ?? (CD)
>
> If anybody sees one, please get one for me to and/or forward the
> details of it...
The Compilazoo CD was released to support the Zoorganisation, a French
association booking "punk" bands (in a very broad term) like The Ex, the Dog
Faced Hermans, God Is My Co-Pilot, Uz Jsme Doma; a lot of Scottish, Dutch,
Eastern European (Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland, etc.), French or American
bands in that "tradition". Officially the CD was released by the Hungarian
label Trottel (run by the *band* Trottel), was sold rather cheap and mainly
before the actual release on a subscription basis. From memory, the bands on
the CD include: Roof of course, Dragibus, Donkey, Rhythm Activism, Uz Jsme
Doma, Cornice, The Ex, God Is My Co-Pilot, and a few more. Overall, this is a
really good compilation CD, especially considering the low price, but the Roof
track is really nothing special (as opposed to their wonderful full-length CD).
If someone's interested, I can try and see if it is still possible to find a
copy of this CD, or at least get the contact address for Zoorganisation (they
keep moving... they must be in Rouen now) and/or Trottel in Budapest. If it
doesn't work out, I could do a tape dub for someone *really* desperate.
*
Julien, who just happened to make a mix tape with a song off the Compilazoo on
it...
Julien Quint Member of the MLTT Resarch Staff
Xerox Research Centre Europe julien.quint@xrce.xerox.com
6, chemin de Maupertuis phone: +33 (0)4 76 61 50 38
38240 Meylan, France fax: +33 (0)4 76 61 50 99
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:56:16 -0700
From: dragon-frog@juno.com (Dragon -------- Frog)
Subject: Ground Zero-Consume Red
Thanks to all. My question is completely answered by your descriptions.
While I'll eventually get both, CONSUME RED is the place for me to begin,
and my local source has a copy in stock. I'm on my way.
Roarrribbit
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Date: Tue, 05 May 98 12:50:45 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Have you heard....?
(Or, Why I'll never catch up...)
The following appeared in ad or review form in the current (June)
WIRE. If anyone's heard them and has comments, I'd be much obliged.
Taku Sugimoto Opposite Hat Noir
Pat Thomas Remembering NJC
Guillermo Gregorio Ellipsis Hatology
Braxton/Newton (Lauren) Composition 192 Leo
Barry Adamson As Above So Below Mute
Iva Bittova Iva Bittova Nonesuch
Bernard Parmegiani De Natura Sonorum INA
Lucier/Nilsson/Jeney With a Minimum of Means Content
Howard Skempton Home and Abroad Content
Joe Maneri Paniots Nine Avant
Cuncordu de Orosei Miserere Winter & Winter
The last is music from Sardinia, which seems to be becoming the
'Balkana' of this year; if anyone's heard other stuff from this
island, please let me know.
Thanks,
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:55:50 -0400
From: "Snap" <qfwfqf@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Why Zorn
Why . . . Korn?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Schuth <jschuth@hotmail.com>
To: zorn-list@xmission.com <zorn-list@xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 8:32 AM
Subject: Why Zorn
> It just occured to me that mosto of the discussions that take place
>here, are either about recent CD purchases or favorite artists. While
>this is interesting, I was wondering why no one talks about the music
>itself. I guess I am just curious why everyone here is drawn to this
>sort of music. I'm not even sure myself. This music obviously cannot
>be listened or appreciated like anything you'll here on the top ten. So
>would anyone like to tell me exactly what to listen for in Zorn's music
>and how?
>Thank you
>
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:56:07 EDT
From: JonAbbey2 <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Have you heard....?
In a message dated 5/5/98 1:29:14 PM, brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
<<The following appeared in ad or review form in the current (June)
WIRE. If anyone's heard them and has comments, I'd be much obliged.>>
<<Taku Sugimoto Opposite Hat Noir>>
A Japanese guitarist with Mazzacane's tone but using as many notes as Bailey.
This is a really beautiful record and one of the best things I've heard
lately.
<<Bernard Parmegiani De Natura Sonorum INA>>
No self-respecting music fan should be without this. One of a handful of the
greatest electroacoustic records ever made, along with Hymnen, La Legende
D'Eer and a few others.
<<Joe Maneri Paniots Nine Avant>>
Nice for its historical value, but less than essential musically in my
opinion. There are many better places to start with Maneri.
<<Pat Thomas Remembering NJC
Guillermo Gregorio Ellipsis Hatology
Braxton/Newton (Lauren) Composition 192 Leo>>
I heard the Gregorio briefly and was underwhelmed. The Thomas and Braxton I
have but haven't played yet.
Hope that helps,
Jon
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:00:40 -0400
From: "Snap" <qfwfqf@email.msn.com>
Subject: Towering Inferno
Just yesterday, casually perusing the CD bins of a Best Buy, of all
places, I happened to pick up Towering Inferno's remarkable opus "Kaddish"
(Island Independent), a stunning 'debut', if I've ever known one, from one
Richard Wolfson and one Andy Saunders - both of whom I've never before
heard - , with guest vocalizations by Marta Sebestyen and Endre Szkarosi.
Seventy-five unforgettable, unrelenting minutes of Balkan threnodies,
Hungarian funeral orations, death-metal guitars, shofars . . . Hasidic
cantors droning over the pounding of anvils leading into serene string
quartets colliding into blatantly interruptive Nazi diatribes which
themselves recede into ambient screeches of bald eagles while the sonic
Diaspora amalgamates and erects its aural Babel, all of which has been
played live for the last year-and-a-half in Europe in accompaniment of a
multi-media visual collage of burning swastikas, an old and erie
black-and -white silent cartoon documenting Hansel and Gretel's purported
fate, demolished Greek statues, and synagogues-in-construction . . . a show
which, although well-received across the Atlantic, unfortunately lacks funds
and/or label support to be shown here.
Check it out. For an aperitif venture on over to
http://musiccentral.com/WeeklyFeatures/Article/109/1
Has anyone happened to have seen this show live?
- -
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:10:07 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: THEE ALLMIGHTY
> Besides, when it comes to E#, his website gives you the dish better than
> anyone else could. I'm a fan, but I'm months behind in getting through his
> output...
Well, you'd be psyched to hear his two SUPER, hand-packaged zOaR discs
SPRING & NEAP and RHEO-UMBRA. Both are limited edition of 300 so grab
'em quick!!!! I can't recommend SPRING & NEAP enough. It's a single
composition of E#'s (he conducts too) for a bunch of shamisen, kotos,
hrap, piano, basses, percussions, etc. that is a build-up & release of
tension/noise/chaos kind of thing. Super disc!
I did notice that he's going to be at the Knit in June, after the
> Texaco fest, with a trio comprised of himself, Percy Jones and Marc
> Edwards. The mind reels. Only Elliott could draw a line between those two
> points.
Marc Edwards is a drummer, eh??? Sounds like a reincarnation of Percy
Jones' Scanners with E# and Previte from back in the day. I love hearing
e# in a rock trio format - I hope they record something!
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:11:20 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Why Zorn
Yves Dewulf wrote:
>
> > Besides Zorn making good music, he also represents a culture that is pretty
> > wide and textured. Gainsbourg, Godard, Japanese porn, fashion,
> ------
> > soundtracks, artist films, etc. and of course - etc.
>
> What's Zorn's involvement with fashion ?
> (Besides his orange Masada-T-shirt and camouflage-pants?)
I once saw him wearing puffy pants,tucked into loud striped leggings,
with 2 different colored sneakers on his feet. If that aint a fashion
statement, then nothing is.
Rich
- -
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 06:41:42 +0800
From: Jan-Wen Lu <janwenlu@top2.ficnet.net.tw>
Subject: Kato Hideki new solo disc
Kato Hideki has a new electric bass solo CD "Turbulent Zone" on his own
label- Music for Expanded Ears. For more information, please check out
their web-site:
http://www.expandedears.com/
- -
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:46:00 -0400
From: Tom DiStefano <TomDiStef@compuserve.com>
Subject: Seattle Listening Group
Hello fellow Zornophiles:
First, thanks to everyone for their contributions to this list. Since I
joined in December, I've learned an enoromous amount about music without
having to wade through a lot of flames. Keep up the good work!
Four of us here in Seattle have started a monthly listening group, and we=
'd
like to invite fellow ZornListers to join us. We usually meet on a
weeknight, have a quick dinner, and then listen and talk from about 6:30 =
to
10 or 11, whenever we run out of steam. Meetings rotate mong members'
houses, but everybody is free to bring whatever CD or vinyl they'd like t=
o
expose others to. We are very open to new stuff; so far, we have gone fr=
om
Henry Cow & Faust in the 70's through Glass and Reich right up to Zorn,
Horvitz, Frisell, etc. To connect with us, e-mail any of us:
Bear: bearnw@ix.netcom.com
Dave: degan@excell.com
Tom: TomDiStef@compuserve.com
Tom
P.S. Patrick in Portland, thanks for putting into words so eloquently wha=
t
made Joey Baron's drumming so special. If you're ever in Seattle, look u=
s
up!
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 19:21:04 +0500
From: "Terence Sin" <zippy@myna.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #353
> Other highlight is obvious: John Zorn "Circle Maker". Marvelous album
I was totally knocked out by one of the variation on the theme of Track
10, Disc 1 (Malkhut). It kicks in at 00:17 and 1:41. I would kill to
hear it developed into a full-length tune.
I'm surprised more people didn't rant and rave about this release. Disc
1 is just fabulous.
- -
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:49:07 -0600
From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net>
Subject: Quick notes
Hi guys, I've been out of the picture for at least a few weeks. When I ran
out of time to read all this stuff, you all were doing the top 20 lists. I
can't offer a list, it'd be jus too damn hard. However, the one thing on
that list for sure would by the Harry Smith Anthology of American Music,
which I recently got, and continues to blow me away.
Also thanx to whoever raved about the Butch Lawrence 10 disc Conductions set
which I recently bought based solely on the couple of records I already had
and your fave review. I've only gotten through 3 discs so far, but am
enjoying it immensely.
I may have missed this so ignore me if you want, but I also just picked up
the Weird Little Boy disc, and although on first listen only think the music
is average (for Zorn, still years ahead of anyone else) I more curious if
anyone knows the story behind the book, and how it's supposed to relate to
the music.
yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:24:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Coleman Greene <colemang@tiac.net>
Subject: Clusone Trio Tour Re:Boston
The trio isn't actually playing boston, they are playing
May 14
Killian Hall, Mass Institute of Technology.
Cambridge, MA
8pm
Tickets are $16 cash, there is a student discount, was $10 at the Tim
Berne Show they put on.
Booked & promoted by the newly formed Boston Creative Music Alliance. Look
them up for further info, I work at MIT, and they havent even advertised
this show in their art/music/performance listings,(shame) so I doubt you
could get much useful info from MIT. (except directions to Killian Hall)
- -
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Have you heard....?
On Tue, 5 May 1998 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
> Guillermo Gregorio Ellipsis Hatology
My favorite 1998 release so far. I picked this up on impulse because of
Jim O'Rourke's presence. The closest comparisons I can think of are
Tristano's 1949 free pieces, but Gregorio's work is based on compositions
(I think), more developed, and involves far more attention to timbre. In
the last respect, Gregorio sounds influenced by Ayler, but avoids the
emotional expressionism associated with energy music. Fine stuff.
- -
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