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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #336
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Zorn List Digest Monday, April 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 336
In this issue:
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Hat...site
2 Web sites
Request for a review of "Weird Little Boys"
avant/DIW
RE: merzbow?
what a pain...
re: new goodies / AYLER
Re: Cecil Taylor questions
Another Zorn
Re: new goodies / AYLER
Re: Bang on a Can and Thanks
Headphones amp for listening to Bar Kokbha
Re: Polwchsel (was Hat...site)
Re: Torture Garden Vinyl
Re: Another Zorn
Re: Greg Cohen - Way Low
Re: avant/DIW
Re: Dave Douglas "Thoughts Around Mahfouz" [was Re: mori]
Re: Dave Douglas "Thoughts Around Mahfouz" [was Re: mori]
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 09:31:29 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Hat...site
The company originally known as Hat hut has a new web site at:
www.hathut.com
They're now divided into three areas:
1) Hat(now)Art--Contemporary Classical
2) Hatology--Jazz and Improvised
3) Hat noir--Uncategorizable
Some of the releases, impending and recently issued, sound
mouth-watering, including a recording of two of Braxton's early pieces
(#'s 10 & 16) by a quintet including Jim O'Rourke and an album by the
band Polwechsel, a group I've been trying to locate (to listen to) for a
few years. Also in preparation, new Eskelin, Feldman's 'Atlantis', much
more.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 07:00:30 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: 2 Web sites
I've been working my usual seasonal gig in an office doing US income taxes
returns til last week, so I'm very slowly going through the last couple of
months of posts. You folks have been keeping busy. I'll try not to dredge
up ancient topics that have talked out, so I'll try to get through to the
most recent digests before I respond to anything.
I did want to briefly point out 2 Web sites I'm involved in, though.
Neither of them focuses exclusively on the topic of this list, but they
both overlap our concerns here.
The first is an annotated list of Web sites, greatly revised and expanded,
relevant to a variety of new music topics:
<http://www.artswire.org/Artswire/www/awtour/herb/index.html>
The second is an online "radio" station on which several, though not all,
of the weekly programs regularly present music with roots & branches in the
focus of our discussions here:
<http://www.antennaradio.com/>
Now back to reading through a few weeks of digests.
Bests,
Herb
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:34:24 -0400
From: "David J. Keffer" <keffer@shell.planetc.com>
Subject: Request for a review of "Weird Little Boys"
Hello Folks on the Zorn-list,
I saw a request for a review of "Weird Little Boys"
posted earlier on the list but I don't remember seeing a review.
I read the quip on it on the Forced Exposure site:
"Weird Little Boy is a special band project spearheaded by John Zorn and
Mike Patton.
A collective of artists, writers and musicians, their first CD release
features the
world-renowned graphics of Nayland Blake, the cutting edge writing of gay
S/M writer Dennis Cooper
and music by Chris Cochrane, John Zorn and members of the cult rock band
Mr. Bungle.
A deluxe CD-book package containing a 46 page booklet and some of the
strangest music
you are ever likely to hear makes this unusual collaborative meeting of
'gays' and
'straights' a must for fans of each and every member of this exciting
experimental collective."
But this doesn't say a thing about the music.
Let's hear the thoughts of those who have heard it.
Thanks.
David Keffer
p.s.
Regarding "bargain buys", when it was first released I saw the "Parachute
Boxed Set"
listed for $27 on an internet cd store. I thought to myself, "Well, this
must be
a typo" but I decided to order it and see whether they would send it to me for
$27. It took 8 weeks (it was listed as an import from Holland) but it
arrived.
I thought this deal was too good to be true and so I checked back at
the site to see if the price was still the same, as I intended to email the
zorn-list and share the secret. However, the typo had been corrected. It was
now $168.
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:00:11 -0700
From: "Patrick Stockton" <sheepherder@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: avant/DIW
would some kind person mind explaining the nature of DIW and Avant.... are
they different companies? i always assumed they were but recently i have
been seeing albums credited to both labels. is one simply a distributer?
Also does Zorn own or have anything to do with either in terms of business?
i always thought, for some reason, that Zorn started Avant to make it
easier to release stuff in Japan. but now its seems as though he has
little to do with it.
also i have been trying to locate catalogues for these labels and have come
up empty handed. if someone knows where to find alisting of their
recordings or have one themslef. i would appreciate it. feel free to
answer me privately at: sheepherder@worldnet.att.net
thanks
patrick in portland
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:15:59 -0400
From: ROLAND JOST <ROLAND_JOST@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: merzbow?
>sorry to have to plead ignorance on the newsgroup, but who is merzbow an=
d
what are they all about. sorry for the wasted space...
thanks,
patrick in portland<
merzbow =3D masami akita
japanese guitarist, although he's apparently also playing theremin, moog
etc.
very noisy stuff - john zorn hasn't done any noise compared to merzbow
recommended cd's include:
antimonument
space metalizer
mercurated
there's also the 3 in 1 cd (strange concept)
balance
it's merzbow and ladybird
it's not exactly merzbow as we know him, but a great cd nevertheless.
cheers
roland
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:29:32 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: what a pain...
Any idea who is the "super cool dude" who writes the News section at
the KF web page? Seems to come directly out of "slacker for dummies". It was
really annoying; thought for a moment it was a youth mistake (or a joke).
Patrice (who hopes that it is not Michael Dorf).
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:19:04 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: re: new goodies / AYLER
The majority of this post is personal op. Skip to bottom for Ayler
question.
Old news to many of you, but what I'm really enjoying now is:
Evan Parker Electroacoustic Project : TOWARDS THE MARGINS (ECM)
Evan Parker + Ghost-in-the-Machine (ECM)
One great example and one good example of E.P. w/very sensitive
and very musical live electronic treatment (and a hell of a lot of
group PLAYING while they're at it). I know the former ahs been
mentioned several times already, but it's just gorgeous.
Derek Bailey: AIDA (reissue: DEXTER"S CIGAR)
Marc Ducret: UN CERTAIN MALAISE (Screwgun)
Two solo guitar records: one acoustic, one electric, both live.
Bailey might have started in R&B and jazz (like Tim Berne!), but these
influences are at most completely diffuse here. It's hilarious when at
a beatiful peak of ideas at the end of the first track, his watch alarm
(?) goes off; after turning it off, he tries but just can't quite get
back on the train, mumbling in good-humored resignation. Ducret's outing
might be a little less radical, but it's fun nonetheless, with equal
parts free improv, big rock chops, the occasional surprising use of
(non-)amplification, and strands of Bailey, Cobain, folk-rock, and Tuck
Andress ("La Mazurka"). The former album is beautiful but still deeply
free, while the latter--I suppose--would be great for exposing more
rock-oriented guitarists and listeners to the pleasures of improvised
music.
Sun Ra: HELIOCENTRIC WORLDS, vol. 1 and 2
I was a bit equivocal about Ra before I heard these ESP records, which
are just great. The clatter of percussion and Armageddon trombone
blasts at the beginning of vol. 1 reminded me of some Tibetan Buddhist
music I heard once. 1965: and as advanvced and fascinating as any of the
AACM stuff of that period that I've heard.
Now for the ALBERT AYLER question: I haven't heard NEW GRASS, and I'm
not sure I want to. What does everyone think of this? I seem to hear
nothing but horrible reports of this record; on the other hand, it
seems that Al was trying something NEW (or was he?), which would explain
a lot.
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- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:23:19 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor questions
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:26:01 -0400 Steve Smith wrote:
>
> brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
>
> > Another glaring gap in my collection. When they came out, I figured
> > I'd get most of them eventually, but to date have only purchased two:
> > 'The Hearth' with Evan Parker and Tristan Honsinger which is pretty
> > nice and 'Alms/Tiergarten/Spree' with the orchestra which is superb.I
> > understand the disc w/Bailey is fine (as might be expected) with Derek
> > being the musician in this series who most 'bent' CT towards his
> > style. Personally, I'm very curious about the duet with Louis Moholo.
> > Anyone?
>
> The Moholo duo is disappointing in my opinion. They just don't ever really
> connect. I, too, always thought I'd get around to buying all of these and
> still may; a single CD sampler issued with a recent issue of the Italian jazz
> magzine Musica Jazz included samples of many of the CT FMPs I hadn't heard and
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Any idea if an excerpt with Evan Parker showed up on this sampler?
> they all sounded fine, but it's hard to tell with so little context. I own and
> endorse the Bailey and the Parker/Honsinger, as well as one I've not yet
> purchased but have heard in its entirety, the Han Bennink.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:40:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Another Zorn
If you check the "Upcoming Concerts" section on Braxton's
Tri-Centric foundation page you'll see that he's playing two concerts in
the future with someone named Jonathan Zorn on contrabass.
I'm almost sure it's not *our* Mr. Z., but if that person is
pursuing a career in improvised music, I hope he's prepared for a lot of
understandable confusion.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:48:16 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: new goodies / AYLER
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:19:04 PDT "Scott Handley" wrote:
>
> Now for the ALBERT AYLER question: I haven't heard NEW GRASS, and I'm
> not sure I want to. What does everyone think of this? I seem to hear
> nothing but horrible reports of this record; on the other hand, it
> seems that Al was trying something NEW (or was he?), which would explain
> a lot.
Is it the one with a lot of R&B singing? If yes, it is a very accessible
record which I always listen to with a lot of pleasure. Not free at all
but Ayler blows as you can expect.
Knowing Ayler's passion for very popular styles of music (including the
dreaded military one), I am surprised that people can dislike that one when
liking Ayler. I often wondered if Ayler was not at his most genuine state
with that record :-).
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:16:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Bang on a Can and Thanks
as for CD's, i really like 'industry'.
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:24:32 +0500
From: "Terence Sin" <zippy@myna.com>
Subject: Headphones amp for listening to Bar Kokbha
Can any audio freak out there in Zorn land shed some light on the
recording quality of the bass in Bar Kokbha? I find the really deep-end
of the acoustic bass to be muddy and undefined, the same problem I've
found with the Pat Metheny/Charlie Haden duet CD. Someone alerted me to
the fact that the 50 cents op-amps that drive the headphone output
commonly found in CD players and receivers don't quite cut it, and
recommended that I get a dedicated headphone amp such as the ones
available from HeadRoom. Any opinion? I'm using the Sennheiser HD-455
headphones, which is spec'ed to go as low as 18 Hz, but I suspect the
headphones aren't the weak link here.
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:33:49 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Polwchsel (was Hat...site)
At 09:31 AM 4/19/98 -0400, Brian Olewnick wrote:
>an album by the
>band Polwechsel, a group I've been trying to locate (to listen to) for a
>few years.
They have a wonderful album on Random Acoustics, which is listed in the
most recent Cadence (RA9). Very much in the textural vein, like Archery or
King Ubu, where I spend time wondering what instrument is playing what.
- -
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:43:43 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Torture Garden Vinyl
At 06:07 PM 4/18/98 -0500, Howie Voigt wrote:
>The US shimmy disc(?)
>release might be cheaper but I don't know where to look for one.
>I have seen one once and I believe this version is gatefold as well.
The Shimmy Disc version is *not* a gatefold, although the inner sleeve has
special pictures.
- -
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:28:42 EDT
From: Dgasque <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Another Zorn
In a message dated 98-04-19 17:42:14 EDT, you write:
<< If you check the "Upcoming Concerts" section on Braxton's
Tri-Centric foundation page you'll see that he's playing two concerts in
the future with someone named Jonathan Zorn on contrabass.
I'm almost sure it's not *our* Mr. Z., but if that person is
pursuing a career in improvised music, I hope he's prepared for a lot of
understandable confusion.
>>
Yep, there is another John Zorn. I've got a friend who just got back from NYC
a couple of months ago who was under Mr. Braxton's tutelage for a year or so.
I jokingly asked him if he had jammed with Zorn while up there and he stated
"which one?" He went on to say that there were in fact two John Zorns doing
the improv thing and that he had played on occasion with one who was under Mr.
Braxton's guidance. Yeah, I guess we're looking at the Zorn vs. Zorn CD that
will hit the shelves one day soon...
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:30:29 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Greg Cohen - Way Low
Dan Hewins wrote:
> I know someone on this list is going to pick this up (if it's not already
> owned) so I'll put in a request for a review.
First rate blend of Ellington swing and west coast cool polyphony. Smokin
live band, especially when Zorn sits in and adds a bit of the dirty stuff to
this squeaky clean group. Retro, but original material and way less
self-consciously hip than "Bug Music."
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:22:25 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: avant/DIW
Patrick Stockton wrote:
> would some kind person mind explaining the nature of DIW and Avant.... are
> they different companies?
Others could explain this better, probably, but since I'm more of a blab by
nature I'll have a crack at it. DIW is the label of Disc Union, a Japanese
distributor and retailer. They have been releasing exceptional and important
recordings of traditional and avant-garde jazz for a number of years. These
have made it into the U.S. with varying degrees of success. At one point in
the '80s, the label signed a deal with Columbia Records, enabling the latter to
cherry-pick new releases from the DIW release list. That didn't last long,
naturally. DIW had just entered into a similar licensing deal with Koch
International in 1993 for a handful of releases on the Koch Jazz label, halted
it in 1994, and signed a full-fledged distribution deal with Koch
DIW granted Zorn a platform from which to release his own records and those of
artists chosen by him, Avant. DIW is not controlled by Zorn; Avant is. Avant
is not controlled by DIW; it is manufactured and distributed by them. Tzadik
is run by Zorn domestically and has nothing at all to do with DIW.
Zorn does from time to time release records on DIW rather than Avant or Tzadik;
notably, the entire Masada ouevre has been on DIW. I won't speculate as to
why.
DIW also runs a blues imprint, the name of which escapes me, and I think they
also run the label that released the Ground Zero "Standards" CD recently. The
name of that label escapes me as well. Sorry.
I don't know of any printed catalog of Avant or DIW releases, but I'd imagine
the Koch catalog will become a pretty good source before long. That's not
available to the public generally speaking, but you could probably get someone
at your local record store's jazz department to give you a peak. You can also
get a complete listing of Avant releases in Patrice Roussel's Zorn discography
which is housed on the WNUR Jazzweb, now located at the new URL
http://www.wnur.org/jazz/artists/zorn.john/discog.html
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 02:11:52 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas "Thoughts Around Mahfouz" [was Re: mori]
Yves Dewulf wrote:
> [snip] Tiny
> >Bell-style tight unison passages with Jamie Saft's sampler or Fender Rhodes
> >subbing for Shepik's role (on a few occasions Saft played lines sampled
> >from Dave's sound but transposed down to tuba range, synched so tightly
> >that at first I'd thought Dave was just playing through a splitter of some
> >...
>
> Are you sure this was not an effect by Dave ? I ask this because he was
> doing the same thing (trumpet doubled by a pitched down version of it,
> sounding like a tuba or a trombone) in a Douglas/Bennink -duo
> performance some months ago
My first thought was that it was Dave playing through an octave divider of some
sort, but I could see Jamie playing the same line and on occasion it sounded
like there were small discrepancies that might be explained by two musicians
playing almost but not exactly simultaneously. I didn't think to ask Dave at
the end.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 02:21:22 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas "Thoughts Around Mahfouz" [was Re: mori]
Brent Burton wrote:
> i tend to only post positive comments on lists because sometimes fans
> will take such umbrage when a stranger doesn't like one of their favorite
> musicians.
I apologize if you felt I took umbrage with your opinion. Not at all. It's all
just an exchange of opinions around here, and yours is as valid as mine. I do
think Ikue Mori is the most mindblowing drum machine virtuoso around today...
also the only one, to my knowledge. And to me, DNA was cool in a visceral sort
of way, but it doesn't make me want to hear more drumming by Ikue. But that's
*just* me... you are entitled to your opinion as well, it is no doubt shared by
others, and I would feel cheated if you didn't feel free to post it to the
Zornlist regardless of what I or others think. After all, no one's a stranger
here because we're *all* stranger than most IMHO...
Just so's you know...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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