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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #326
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, April 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 326
In this issue:
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Anyone want to make an offer on a copy of Stockhausen's _Sirius_?
Subscribing to Avant?
Gustafsson/Guy???
Boston Area Music Stores
Re: Boston Area Music Stores
Re: Boston Area Music Stores
Painkiller
Re: Stockhausen
recent goodies!
Otomo (fwd)
Re: Stockhausen
Re: Stockhausen
Re: Boston Area Music Stores
Re: THE LOUNGE LIZARDS
Good music stores in Philadelphia, PA
stockhausen (trade)
stockhausen trade
stockhausen
Re: Math Rock
Re: recent goodies!
Recent Goodies.
Re: THE LOUNGE LIZARDS
Re: recent goodies!
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:45:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "David J. Strauss" <djs2852@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: Anyone want to make an offer on a copy of Stockhausen's _Sirius_?
I have a copy of the 2LP _Sirius_ in great shape with all the Zodiac stuff
included. On Deutshce Grammophone. CYou do not see this often.ontact me if
you wish to make an offer.
DS
djs2852@is.nyu.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:51:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Subscribing to Avant?
I recently stumbled across a copy of the British music magazine Avant, and
I'm hooked. Unfortunately, from carefully perusing the zine, I don't have
a clue how anyone here in the States would subscribe to it.
Any clues?
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:47:20 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Gustafsson/Guy???
Does anyone know if the new Mats Gustafsson & Barry Guy duo CD on Maya
has been released yet? It's apparently called FROGGING. Thanks!
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:16:54 -0400
From: "Andy Marks" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Boston Area Music Stores
I'm going to Boston this week and weekend.
Where are the best avant/experimental record stores?
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:42:17 -0400
From: "Chris Barre{t" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: Re: Boston Area Music Stores
Twisted Village is by far the best avant/experimental store, located in
harvard square past Charlies (great burgers) and the Funny Farm (can't
remember the street name). It's a basement place with usually a small
sandwich board sign, so you could miss it if you're not careful.
There are tons of other new and used stores around, but none are consistent
in terms of avant/experimental stuff. Newbury Comics has two locations
which usually have alot of hard to find stuff, one is on Newbury Street, in
the 300's, about a block down from Tower Records (which is on the corner of
Mass Ave and Newbury, #360), and the other is in Harvard Square in a
complex known as The Garage. They have a lot of sales, and I can usually
find a lot of Zorn, Ruins, David Shea, Laswell, Ikue Mori and other stuff,
but if it falls under jazz or classical (at Newbury Comics, Zorn is under
rock), you probably won't find a lot.
HMV in Harvard Square isn't bad, sometimes better than Tower. There are
also numerous used stores which vary from time to time. Planet Records in
Kenmore Square sometimes has cool stuff, and occasionally Nuggets, also in
Kenmore, does too. Mars Records on Mass Ave between Harvard and Central
Squares seems to have some stuff, but most of the out stuff is a little
pricey. Finally, just outside of Harvard Square, also on Mass Ave is
Second Coming Records, which used to be a fantastic place to find bootlegs,
both audio and video, but I haven't been there in a while and while there
were some pretty crazy bootlegs of artists you'd never think of having
bootlegs (the scottish band Big Country from the early eighties for
example), I don't recall anything exceptional in terms of
avant/experimental stuff.
Basically, most of the stuff I find is either at Twisted Village or at
Newbury Comics.
- -Chris
At 4:16 PM 4/13/98, Andy Marks wrote:
>I'm going to Boston this week and weekend.
>Where are the best avant/experimental record stores?
>
>-
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:49:13 -0500
From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Subject: Re: Boston Area Music Stores
>I'm going to Boston this week and weekend.
>Where are the best avant/experimental record stores?
>
>-
When I was there for a glorious week in 1989, I bought way too many CDs
(and a bunch of back issues of Weirdo and Yummy Fur) at Newbury Comics.
It's on Newbury Street, amazingly enough. It may not be the best place for
avant/experimental in Boston -- I wasn't able to do a full survey of the
city's offerings -- but I recall their racks being full of artists I hadn't
EVEN heard of before. Much more better than the Tower Records a few doors
down.
Rusty Crump
Oxford, Mississippi
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:51:04 -1000
From: sfunk@pop.adn.com (Stephen Funk)
Subject: Painkiller
I apologize if this is old news...
Just wondering what to make of the 4CD Tzadik set of Painkiller material...
#1: Has it been released yet?
#2: What is it like? I have never heard any of this material. Is it Naked
City-ish? More on the improv end? Both? Neither?
Thanks.
- - Steve
*** *** ***
Steve Funk
(sfunk@pop.adn.com)
Anchorage, AK
USA
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:55:02 -0500
From: Mike Beiderbecke <beider19@idt.net>
Subject: Re: Stockhausen
Among other things,
> Jesse> Is Michael the same as Licht? I remember a few years ago
> Jesse> Deutsche Grammophon had these two Stockhausen box sets in
> Jesse> their opera section (four discs each). One was called
> Jesse> _Samstag aus Licht_ and the other was _Donnerstag aus
> Jesse> Licht_.
> Jesse> The albums, by the way, were deleted from the catalogue and
> Jesse> there is no evidence that they ever existed.
>
>Caleb T. Deupree
>At the moment I'm separated from my vinyl, but I remember at least one
>CD of material from the opera released on DGG, maybe a couple scenes
>from Donnerstag.
Well, I've got both Samstag and Donnerstag in the 4 cd boxes so they
did (do?) indeed exist. I got them both for 12$ apiece, so maybe it should
have been on the list of bargains. Never have seen the rest of the week.
For what it's worth
******************************
Just Browsing?
http://idt.net/~beider19
******************************
- -
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:33:43 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: recent goodies!
So what have you all picked up recently that you've really enjoyed? It's
a simple question that I think should be asked now and again...
For me, I was pretty pleased by Elliott Sharp's solo WESTWERK. It seemed
a little too standard e# though. Not enough sounds I haven't heard from
him before (which is why I would prefer SFERICS). I still can't
recommend SPRING & NEAP highly enough!!!!
I also picked up SWORDFISHTROMBONE by Tom Waits which is another goody
with Greg Cohen (no Ribot unfortunatley). It's got that same style as
Rain Dogs with some great spoken wordy kinds of tracks and other stuff.
A great disc.
I haven't gotten a whole lot recently so I'm itching for something new!
Lay it on me.
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Subject: Otomo (fwd)
I'm forwarding these Otomo Yoshihide U.S. dates (minus a lengthy
bio/discog) sent to me by Keiko Uenishi (oblaat@ibm.net) who organized all
this... I believe the European dates are posted at www.tzadik.com
- -----------------------------------------
otomo/sachiko M tour in the u.s.
May 8th, Friday in New York @ The Cooler, 416 W. 14th St. (bet. 9th
Ave. & Wash. St.) - SKIF2 (Sergei Kuryokhin International Festival
vol.2) - featuring : Otomo Yoshihide/Christian Marclay/DJ Toshio trio,
Sachiko M/Koosil-ja duo, and others (Silver Apples, David Linton aka
Circuit Redux/ Lloop of We(I*(J duo, and guest DJs)
showtime: 9 p.m.
tkt: $10/adv., $12/door
note: Otomo said in his recent e-mail;
he & Sergei met in Tokyo & discussed to collaborate on CD project which
never materialized since Sergei passed away in the following year after
they had the conversation.
Otomo performed one of Sergei's fellow musicians who was supposed to
appear on the CD, as a tribute to Sergei. The concert was recorded &
mixed by Otomo which will be released in Russia within several months.
- -------
May 9th, Saturday in New York @ fakeshop(www.fakeshop.com, live internet
hookup), 90 North 11th St., Brooklyn(Williamsburg), NYC (near Bedford
Ave. on L train)
- - Mimetic Playground Party, featuring Filament(Otomo/Sachiko M duo), TV
Pow(Gentle Giants Record: http://members.aol.com/gengiant/ihot/menu.htm,
from Chicago), and others: Nova, Mneumonyk Hi-Fi(www.junkradio.com),
E.O.E., pitchbrite, and guest DJ visuals by day-dream, and fakeshop clew
showtime: 9 p.m. till 3 a.m.(Filament's time slot will be 11:30 p.m.)
admission: $5
- -------
May 10th, Sunday in New York @ The Knitting Factory (main space), 74
Leonard St. (bet. Church St. & B'way) - Otomo Yoshihide, Sachiko M,
Anthony Coleman, and Andy Haas, plus members of TV Pow will join towards
the end of the set to jam.
showtime: 10 p.m.
tkt: TBA
- -------
May 11th, Monday in Pittsburgh @ The Millvale Industrial Theater -
Filament, TV Pow, Condemek
- -------
May 12, Tuesday in Cleveland @ Speak In Tongues - Filament, TV Pow
- -------
May 13, Wednesday in Detroit @ The Gold Dollar - Filament, TV Pow, Goat,
and Condemek
- -------
May 14, Thursday off
- -------
May 15, Friday in Chicago @ Lounge Ax - I.S.O., Jim O'Rourke, You
Fantastic!, and TV Pow
- ---------
Check out for Otomo's European part of schedule at www.tzadik.com (in
its News & Notes section.)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:46:28 -0400
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Stockhausen
At 11:11 PM 4/12/98 -0600, you wrote:>
>PS: Stephen Drury not commenting on the available versions on MANTRA? I
>personally miss the original one (with Alfons and Alois Kontarsky).
Never liked it, even though I tried. Even went to hear it performed live at
Tanglewood last summer late at night.
- --steve
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:25:55 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Stockhausen
stephen drury wrote:
>
> At 11:11 PM 4/12/98 -0600, you wrote:>
> >PS: Stephen Drury not commenting on the available versions on MANTRA? I
> >personally miss the original one (with Alfons and Alois Kontarsky).
>
> Never liked it, even though I tried. Even went to hear it performed live at
> Tanglewood last summer late at night.
> --steve
I agree. MANTRA was the first disc I picked up by Stockhausen and it was
a while before I got another.
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:00:17 PDT
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Boston Area Music Stores
>I'm going to Boston this week and weekend.
>Where are the best avant/experimental record stores?
>
When I was in school up there, I was fan of Mystery Train II, about two
blocks past Newberry Comics on Newberry Street (same side, downstairs).
There a used store, but they usually had some real gems tucked away on
CD and Vinyl. Also Nuggets and Planet Records in the Kenmore Square
area. If you make a left on Commonwealth Ave, coming from the Tower on
Massachusetts Ave, you'll run into Nuggets first, then Planet, a few
blocks past that.
SW
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- -
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:37:33 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: THE LOUNGE LIZARDS
hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
> Is there anybody out there who knows the entire LOUNGE LIZARDS
> discography (including labels)?
The Lounge Lizards (1981) Editions E.G.
Live In Tokyo Big Heart (1986) Antilles
No Pain For Cakes (1987) Antilles
Voice of Chunk (1989) Lagarto
Live in Berlin 1991 Part I (1991) Intuition
Live In Berlin 1991 Vol II (1992) Intuition
The Queen of All Ears (coming in 1998) Strange and Beautiful Music
I think there was also a live cassette on ROIR which may or may not be
available on CD, called "Live from the Drunken Barge" or something
equally colorful.
Strange and Beautiful Music is Lurie's own new label, currently
negotiating a distribution deal. They'll be issuing both the long lost
1996 recording "The Queen of All Ears," which was made for Luaka Bop but
dropped due to a personality dispute, and an all-new Lizards album as
well, which is great news since I find the current Lizards hypnotic to
the extreme. Check out http://www.inch.com/~lagarto for more details on
all things lizardly.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:08:39 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: Good music stores in Philadelphia, PA
Dear Philozorners!
Could anyone recommend good CD stores in Philadelphia, PA, USA? By "good music
store" I mean store with Zorn / Zorn-related artists. The same question about
Berlin, Germany.
Thanks!
____________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak
www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/emd/pl40/artists/f/frisell_bill/default.htm
- -
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:09:52 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: stockhausen (trade)
i've got the DG cd of solo clarinet pieces -"in freunschaft", "traum-
formel", "armour"- played by Suzanne somebody (it's not in front of
me...). if anyone's interested in it , please get in touch...
- -
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:27:53 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: stockhausen trade
i've got the CD cd of solo clarinet pices played by Suzanne Stephens;
if anyone's interested, please get in touch...
- -
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:52:34 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: stockhausen
i've got a deleted DG cd of the solo clarinet pices played by suzanne
stephens; if anyone's interested in making me an offer, please get
in touch... hywel davies
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:42:40 +0100
From: "J.T. de Boer" <S0821683@let.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Math Rock
Hi,
the album (they released just one) was released by Roadrunner, so it
should still be available. Sometimes I see some secondhand copies at
a local CD-store. I can check it out if you like. If you have a MD I
can make a digital copy for you (but that's an option I'd rather
wouldn't use...)
Best wishes,
Jeroen
In a message dated 98-04-07 06:43:53 EDT, you (J.T. de Boer) write:
<< Cynic-Focus; The band who delivered their drummer ans guitarplayer to
(IMHO) the best metal album ever made; Human by Death. Cynic does also
'focus' on a combination of metal and jazz. They're not as agressive
as Meshuggah, but their songs are beautiful: based in the 70's
jazzrock tradition. The music is rather easy to listen to, partly because of
the very strong (in a musical sense) dynamics. Very good musicians. >>
Been looking for these Cynic CDs (I think there's 2 of them.) Anyone know a
dealer who still carries them?
np: RRK- Rip, Rig, and Panic
=dgasque=
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:03:06 -0400
From: Marc Downing <mpdownin@cousteau.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: recent goodies!
>So what have you all picked up recently that you've really enjoyed? It's
>a simple question that I think should be asked now and again...
David Shea's Satyricon, despite poorly written liner notes that attempt an
explanation of his motivations, is fantastic. He's one of the most
interesting collagists I've heard. He seems unafraid to sample sounds and
music that, on their own, are very powerful. He's a chef that isn't afraid
to serve sauce containing thirty red chillies simply for colour.
Ground Zero "Plays Standards" is unbelievably good. I've noticed an
enthusiastic group of Otomo fans here. You should all get this. You'll
yelp for joy.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:09:17 -0400
From: Marc Downing <mpdownin@cousteau.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Recent Goodies.
>So what have you all picked up recently that you've really enjoyed? It's
>a simple question that I think should be asked now and again...
David Shea's Satyricon, despite poorly written liner notes that attempt an
explanation of his motivations, is fantastic. He's one of the most
interesting collagists I've heard. He seems unafraid to sample sounds and
music that, on their own, are very powerful. He's a chef that isn't afraid
to serve sauce containing thirty red chillies simply for colour.
Ground Zero "Plays Standards" is unbelievably good. I've noticed an
enthusiastic group of Otomo fans here. You should all get this. You'll
yelp for joy.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:08:10 -0400
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: THE LOUNGE LIZARDS
Steve Smith wrote:
> The Lounge Lizards (1981) Editions E.G.
> Live In Tokyo Big Heart (1986) Antilles
> No Pain For Cakes (1987) Antilles
> Voice of Chunk (1989) Lagarto
> Live in Berlin 1991 Part I (1991) Intuition
> Live In Berlin 1991 Vol II (1992) Intuition
> The Queen of All Ears (coming in 1998) Strange and Beautiful Music
>
> I think there was also a live cassette on ROIR which may or may not be
> available on CD, called "Live from the Drunken Barge" or something
> equally colorful.
>
I've got a CD on ROIR Europe called Live 1979-81.
- -Sean
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:16:32 -0500
From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Subject: Re: recent goodies!
>So what have you all picked up recently that you've really enjoyed? It's
>a simple question that I think should be asked now and again...
>
>For me, I was pretty pleased by Elliott Sharp's solo WESTWERK. It seemed
>a little too standard e# though. Not enough sounds I haven't heard from
>him before (which is why I would prefer SFERICS). I still can't
>recommend SPRING & NEAP highly enough!!!!
>
>I also picked up SWORDFISHTROMBONE by Tom Waits which is another goody
>with Greg Cohen (no Ribot unfortunatley). It's got that same style as
>Rain Dogs with some great spoken wordy kinds of tracks and other stuff.
>A great disc.
>
>I haven't gotten a whole lot recently so I'm itching for something new!
>Lay it on me.
>
> -Tom Pratt
>
>-
For me, "Medicine Hat" by the Will Bernard 4-tet provides all the thrills,
spills and chills missing in the Scofield/Medeski/Martin/Wood album. Same
guitar/organ/bass/drums lineup. Extremely hot playing, nothing by the
numbers.
Also I picked up Mingus' "The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady" a couple of
weeks ago and have been kicking myself for not checking this out about a
decade earlier.
And the old standby, "The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation
Society." Especially the song "Animal Farm," where Ray Davies (never known
as a very strong singer) really projects for once instead of the usual
pinched nasalness -- a vocal performance of extreme passion... reminds me
of "God" from John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band. The whole album is great.
Rusty Crump
Oxford, Mississippi
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