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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #266
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, March 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 266
In this issue:
-
Re: Ground Zero
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #264
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #265
HatArt catalog online
Re: Albert Ayler
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #265
Re: A Question For All You Music Scholars Out There
Re: Praxis
Braxton House
Concertos
Re: Belew On Skins
Re: Praxis Live / Company '91
Cobra
Re: Bible Launcher
Re: Praxis
Re: Praxis Live / Company '91
john zorn/jean derome
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:25:24 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Ground Zero
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:07:09 -0500 Caleb Deupree wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Matt" == Matt Walsh <MATTW@smginc.com> writes:
>
> Matt> By the way, I have a Ground Zero 7" called "Revolutionary
> Matt> Pekinese Opera", is this the exact same as the CD?, or part
> Matt> of it?, or something different completely? Please e-mail
> Matt> directly unless you think it's worthwhile for the whole list
> Matt> to see it.
>
> According to the discography at
> http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html, the 7" is version
> 1.50, and the ReR CD is 1.28.
There are a total of three records:
- two CD pressings (which are basically the same)
- one 7"
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
045 - KAKUMEI KYOUGEKI - REVOLUTIONARY PEKINESE OPERA: Ground Zero
1/ 6 Seconds 4 Frames 0:06
2/ Opening - Japanese Economy 9:27
3/ Consume Mao 1:32
4/ Thema Mao 1 2:05
5/ Red Mao Book 4:23
6/ Frankfurt Mao 2:00
7/ Maologue 4:52
8/ Blue Mao 7:02
9/ Ronald Mao 1:27
10/ Enka Mao 1:14
11/ Pink Mao 1:27
12/ Maology 1:28
13/ Thema Mao 2 0:51
14/ Slogan 0:51
15/ Grand Finale 1:11
16/ International 1:43
17/ 5 Seconds 4 Frame 0:06
Recorded and mixed by Kondo Yoshiaki at GOK SOUND, Tokyo on March 1995
Otomo Yoshihide: turntables, guitar; Uchihashi Kazuhisa: guitar, effects;
Matsubara Sachiko: sampler, voice; Nasuno Mitsuru: bass; Uemura Masahiro:
drums, enka keyboard; Yoshigaki Yasuhiro: drums, percussion, voice; DJ-MAO
(2,3,11,13,14,17): samples; Nomoto Kazuhiro (2): bass clarinet; AYA (5):
voice; Kikuchi Naruyoshi (10,13): tenor.
Sampled Guests are:
Original Pekinese opera groupes (all tracks, except 1,9,10,16,17); Heiner
Goebbels (2,4,5,6,7,8): piano, etc; Alfred 23 Harth (2,4,5,6,7,8): sax, etc;
Jon Rose (3,11): violin; Amaya Norimizu (2): telephone samples; Hashimoto
Osamu (3): voice; Steve Beresford (3): voice; Rudolf Ebner (11,12): voice,
etc.
1995 - Trigram (Japan), TR-P 909 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
068 - REVOLUTIONARY PEKINESE OPERA VER.1.50: Ground-Zero
1/ Revolutionary Pekinese Opera Ver.1.50 (Ground-Zero) 5:55
Recorded at Gok Sound, Tokyo in March 1995
Otomo Yoshihide: turntables, guitar, voice; Uchihashi Kazuhisa: guitar,
voice; Matsubara Sachiko: sampler, voice; Nasuno Mitsuru: bass, voice;
Yoshigaki Yasuhiro: drums, voice; Uemura Masahiro: drums, voice; Kikuchi
Naruyoshi: sax; Tanaka Yumiko: Gidayu-shamisen, voice.
2/ Live 1992 (Ground-Zero) 0:59
Recorded live at 20000V, Tokyo on March 1, 1992
Otomo Yoshihide: turntables, guitar; Yamantaka Eye: voice; Hirose Junji:
sax; Kato Hideki: bass; Uemura Masahiro: drums.
1996 - Gentle Giant Records (USA), gg701 (7")
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
070 - KAKUMEI KYOGEKI VER. 1.28 - REVOLUTIONARY PEKINESE OPERA: Ground Zero
1/ Opening - Flying Across the J.P.Yen 9:29
2/ Consume Mao 1:33
3/ Rush Capture of the Revolutionary Opera -1 2:05
4/ Red Mao Book by Sony 4:23
5/ Crossing Frankfurt Four Times 2:02
6/ The Glory Hong Kong - Kabukicho Conference 4:53
7/ Paraiso -1 7:03
8/ Announcing Good News from the West 0:40
9/ Revolutionary Enka 2001 1:15
10/ Grand Pink Junction Ballad 1:27
11/ Crossing Snow Mountains with Yamaha Bike 1:29
12/ Rush Capture of the Revolutionary Opera -2 0:51
13/ Yellow Army, Beloved of the Various Nationalities 0:52
14/ Triumphant Junction(Grand Finale) 1:07
15/ International - Epilogue 2:49
16/ Paraiso - 2 5:36
Recorded and mixed by Kondo Yoshiaki at GOK SOUND, Tokyo on March 1995
Otomo Yoshihide: turntables, guitar; Uchihashi Kazuhisa: guitar, effects;
Matsubara Sachiko: sampler, voice (10); Nasuno Mitsuru: bass; Uemura
Masahiro: drums, enka keyboard (9); Yoshigaki Yasuhiro: drums, percussion,
voice (10,11); DJ-MAO (1,2,10,12,13,16): samples; Nomoto Kazuhiro (1): bass
clarinet; AYA (4): voice; Kikuchi Naruyoshi (9,12,13,14): tenor; Mao singers
(13,14).
Sampled Guests are:
Original Pekinese opera groupes; Heiner Goebbels: piano, etc; Alfred 23
Harth: sax, etc; Jon Rose (2,10): violin; Amaya Norimizu (1): telephone
samples; Hashimoto Osamu (2): voice; Steve Beresford (2): voice; Rudolf
Ebner (10,11): voice, etc; COMPOSTERA (3); Tanaka Yumiko (1,13,14): voice,
syamisen; Christian Marclay (15,16): record without cover.
1996 - ReR Megacorp (U.K), ReR GZ1(CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:09:02 -0500
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #264
>
>Does anyone know of any concertos (from any musical period) with 4
>movements rather than the usual 3? The only one I can think of off the top
>of my head is Brahms' 2nd piano concerto.
>
The Busoni Piano Concerto has something like 5, I think. Zorn's Piano
Concerto "Aporias -- Requia for Piano and Orchestra" has 9 or 10 movements;
I played the thing and I still can't remember how many....
- -- steve
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:45:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #265
Wasn't Filmworks and Elektra/Nonesuch release also? that got released though.
I'd just like to have all of zorn's stuff on one handy label. and around here
it seems the Tzadik stuff is just as much as the other cd's. (sometimes
cheaper) i got filmworks III for 12.99. not bad. considering the average price
is 14.99
jeff
- -
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:53:37 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: HatArt catalog online
Just a quick shout out to let you know that the HatArt catalog is now on
line:
http://www.hathut.com/
I don't have anything to do with it, I just got word from Ellery Eskelin
who heard it from Werner Uehlinger in Europe. Nice looking site but
I've not explored yet. Ellery and trio have just done a new disc for
them due in August, "Kulak 29 & 30."
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:12:55 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Albert Ayler
Doug McKay wrote:
> I've got "Spiritual Unity" ('64) and "New York Eye and Ear Control" ('64).
> The other ESP albums are "Vibrations" ('64), "Spirits Rejoice" ('65),
> "Bells: At Town Hall" (65), "At Slugs Saloon, vols. 1&2" ('66).
>
> Here's my question. Are these ESP albums I don't have some of his best, or
> can I bypass some to afford some of his others?
"Bells" is certainly worth having and the disc comes with another album's
worth of material tacked on (it was originally a one-sided LP). But here's my
2 cents worth, and this is as a major league Ronald Shannon Jackson fan: the
two "Slug's" volumes sound atrocious and are really for completists. Skip
them and spend the money on "Vibrations" on Freedom and "In Greenwich Village"
on Impulse, and if you have enough left over get "Love Cry" on Impulse too,
mainly for the incredible contributions of Milford Graves.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:17:36 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #265
Jeff Gretz wrote:
> Wasn't Filmworks and Elektra/Nonesuch release also?
Nonesuch licensed "Filmworks" from the Japanese Eva label, so when the license ran
out Zorn was able to get the disc back from them. ("Locus Solus," "Kristallnacht"
and "Elegy" were also Eva releases that Zorn was able to recover, but while we got
the Tzadik versions the Japanese got versions on the new Evva label.) "The Big
Gundown," "Spillane," "Spy vs. Spy" and "Naked City" are all owned outright by
Nonesuch, and aren't likely to be given away.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:07:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Peter Cline <pmc7288@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: A Question For All You Music Scholars Out There
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Julian wrote:
> simply for my own interest:
>
> Does anyone know of any concertos (from any musical period) with 4
> movements rather than the usual 3? The only one I can think of off the top
> of my head is Brahms' 2nd piano concerto.
All 3 recordings of Shostakovich concertos that I have, Piano No. 1, Cello
No. 1 and Violin No. 1 are in 4 movements
Schittke's Concerto Grosso No. 5 is in 4 movements
Gubaidulina's Concerto for bassoon and low strings is in 5 movements.
Maybe it's a soviet russian thing?
- -Peter
- -
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:17:40 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Praxis
At 11:19 AM 3/20/98 PST, Matt Walsh wrote:
>I haven't
>picked up "Transmutation Live", but hopefully will soon whenever I can
>find the damn thing...
Borders seems to be the most likely place, although by now they may have
sold their stock. Douglas really didn't distribute this (or _Asana_) in
the US. There probably won't be much more Laswell coming out on Douglas,
seems like things have gone into limbo. The Raoul Bjorkenheim/Nicky
Skopelitis CD, which is probably the best thing Douglas was going to put
out is definitely homeless...
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 02:12:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Nathaniel Dorward <ndorward@is2.dal.ca>
Subject: Braxton House
Perhaps the Braxtonites out there could suggest which discs on Braxton's
own label, Braxton House, are worth searching out. How's the music (and
the sound-quality) on these discs? Or perhaps one should stick with the
Hat Art and Leo releases--plenty there already... --N
*
Nate Dorward (ndorward@is2.dal.ca)
website: http://is2.dal.ca/~ndorward/
*
And I hear
what's missing there
music is core of the missing
the code of fly time
--Clark Coolidge
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 01:34:27 -0600
From: Craig Rath <fripp@ibm.net>
Subject: Concertos
> simply for my own interest:
>
> Does anyone know of any concertos (from any musical period) with 4
> movements rather than the usual 3? The only one I can think of off the top
> of my head is Brahms' 2nd piano concerto.
I have at least one with 4 movements:
Ligeti:
Chamber concerto for 13 instrumentalists
and a few I have with less:
Saint-Saens - Piano Concerto #4 - 2 movements
Krzysztof Penderecki - Cello Concerto #2, Violin Concerto, Concerto for
Viola and Orchestra - all one movement each.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:02:05 -0800
From: frenesi <frenesi@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Belew On Skins
Keith McMullen wrote:
> Why might Robert Fripp be able to stand playing in a trio with adrian belew
> on drums? In Projekt 2, Fripp and Gunn are stellar, but it is so hard to
> ignore Belew pounding sophomorically on the drums. help me somebody.
>
> keith
>
> -
saw them in santa cruz last night...tho i would agree with you about the
level of adrians drums, his enthusiam imho went a long way to making it
a most enjoyable evening for me (to me, a welcome relief to roberts
stoicism...). on the darshan-like segments, adrian held his own. fripp
and trey, as you say, were breathtaking...
rich
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:12:40 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Praxis Live / Company '91
<< Going into the Praxis subject, has anybody on this list heard both
"Transmutation Live" and "Live and Poland"? I have the Poland one, I
thought it was pretty good but the sound quality isn't great and I find it
a bit annoying that's it's just one long 70+ minute track. Anyway, how
does Transmutation Live compare with it? >>
Well, I think Transmutation Live has pretty good sound quality. It's got 4
tracks at approximately 15 minutes each called Movement 1, 2, 3 and 4. And
the material's pretty cool too, but with quite a bit of turntable
scratching.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:39:41 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Cobra
A friend of mine told me she was a part of a performance similar to Cobra a
few years ago, and I think they actually called it "John Zorn's Cobra". So
what I am wondering is, is there any specific procedure for putting on one
of these performances? Is it considered an infringement of copyright or
something? I need information...
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:55:37 +0100
From: Nils Jacobson <JACOBSON@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
Yes, Radical House actually exists and will send this to you.
It's most excellent. Highly recommended. Only $10.
- -Nils
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:07:05 +0100
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Praxis
> On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Jason Tors wrote:
>
> > I have been
> > told that Sacrifist is not one of the greatest Praxis albums, in which
> > case, could someone suggest the absolute greatest Praxis album.
> [Glenn Astarita] snip=20
> I'd avoid _Metatron_, featuring a stripped-down trio of
> Buckethead, Laswell, and Brain on a disappointingly straightforward hard
> rock set.
>
> Chris Hamilton
>
>
> [Glenn Astarita] My opinion sees Metatron as perhaps Buckethead's =
> finest "electric" hour on record. Specifically for his trademark guitar =
> pyrotechnics. Its actually better than his solo cd's (IMO)....overall =
> the cd isn't quite as daring as the others Chris mentioned .....=20
Finally! I thought I would be alone with loving _Metatron_, which I think is
the finest Praxis' CD. It has beautiful melodies, great riffs, strange and
fascinating sounds and wonderful soloing by Buckethead. "Wake the Dead" is
really beautiful. "Cathedral Space", "Warm Time Machine/..." and "Double
Vision" are so athmospheric and scary, and "Meta-Matic" and "Triad" have superb
riffs, plus they don't develop like you expect (in a conventional metal/hardrock
manner).
_Transmutation_ is also great. Many of the tunes are really majestetic, e.g.
"Dead Man Walking", "Giant Robot", "The Interworld and the New Innocence".
There's so much stuff going on there that I always hear something new on this
disc, even after listening to it more than 50 times! Try to hear all sounds in
"Giant Robot" for an example. Plus the great "Animal Behaviour" (funky, even my
mom likes it) and "Crash Victim/Black Science Navigator", which moves from
a great hard-rock riff with funky/jazzy clavinet in the background to hip-hop
scratching. Finally, "After Shock (Chaos Never Died)" is so wonderfully strange
(kind of sounds like your CD has scratches).
_Sacrifist_ is my least favorite Praxis CD, even though it has its moments.
The "Iron Dub" is cool, "Rivet" is from hell, "The Hook" has 'chemical beats'
(I love 'em) combined with Zorn's squeaking and a slashing riff. The latter two
also have the right doses of Y.Eye, who just makes the other songs a bit too
aggressive for me. Trash metal is aggressive enough, and the squeaking and
screaming make it go over the top. Nothing wrong with that; when I'm in the
right mood these tracks make me *high*, especially "Nine Secrets". And Worrell's
closing "Crossing" is so spooky and droning and demented. But all in all,
_Sacrifist_ is the one I don't listen to very often, contrary to the others.
I haven't heard "1984", "Transmutation Live" or "Live In Poland" yet.
- Chris.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 03:29:37 -0800
From: Rob DeNunzio <zorn@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: Praxis Live / Company '91
At 09:12 PM 3/21/98 +1100, Julian wrote:
><< Going into the Praxis subject, has anybody on this list heard both
>"Transmutation Live" and "Live and Poland"? I have the Poland one, I
>thought it was pretty good but the sound quality isn't great and I find it
>a bit annoying that's it's just one long 70+ minute track. Anyway, how
>does Transmutation Live compare with it? >>
>
>Well, I think Transmutation Live has pretty good sound quality. It's got 4
>tracks at approximately 15 minutes each called Movement 1, 2, 3 and 4. And
>the material's pretty cool too, but with quite a bit of turntable
>scratching.
I liked the Transmutation Live album a bit. I did both a review of it and
posted some sound files:
http://www.teleport.com/~hifim
Can't say I know the live in Poland CD. Any more info out there?
Rob DeNunzio
Hi-Fi Mundo
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:14:58 -0500
From: Uncle Meat <jf.lamarre@sympatico.ca>
Subject: john zorn/jean derome
Hi there,
i don't know if any of you are familiar with Jean Derome, but here
in Quebec he's sort of at the forefront of the avant-guard music scene
(here we call it musique actuelle). You could say that Jean Derome and
John Zorn have some points in common : they both are avant-guard
composers and improvisers, they play sax and they're both great at what
they do. I just bought Derome's latest "3 Musique pour UBU" (3 musics
for UBU). Now, when i got to the 11th track "lueurs" on the first cd ,
i was astonished that the last minute and a half of this piece sounds
pretty much like Zorn's Redbird. I don't know if any of you had the
chance to hear both tracks, but if so i'd like to know what you think of
this.
By the way, Jean Derome composed this piece in 1990, and Redbird was
released in 1995, but maybe it was composed earlier.
There's no such thing as a bad coincidence!(lost highway)
Uncle
Meat
- -
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