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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #259
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Zorn List Digest Friday, March 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 259
In this issue:
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Re: More Great Jewish Music
Re: More Great Jewish Music
Re: More Great Jewish Music
Wierd early Zorn reference?
Pachora in Pittsburgh/shameful self-promotion
concrete jazz
Bible Launcher
Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh/shameful self-promotion
Re: Wierd early Zorn reference?
Re: Wierd early Zorn reference?
Mimoraglu
the chromatic persuaders
Re: Bible Launcher
Zorn Film Adam
Re: Bible Launcher
Re: the chromatic persuaders
Re: Bible Launcher
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #258
Re: Mimoraglu
Re:Mimoraglu
Re:Mimoraglu
Tapes...
stone tiger
scads scores
Re: Mimoraglu
Re: Mimoraglu
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:48:38 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: More Great Jewish Music
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote:
> I was wondering who might be next in the Great Jewish Music cover album series.
> Neil Diamond? Sammi Davis, Jr.? But seriously, does anyone have a clue who
> might be next?
Well, the world is waiting with bated breath to hear Y. Eye do Morton
Feldman covers :-)
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|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:26:58 -0600 (CST)
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: More Great Jewish Music
I believe Raymond Scott was jewish. I can't remember what his "real" name
was, though. I think his name was Harry and the last name was Warnov or
something.
Ralph
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:26:58 -0600 (CST)
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: More Great Jewish Music
I believe Raymond Scott was jewish. I can't remember what his "real" name
was, though. I think his name was Harry and the last name was Warnov or
something.
Ralph
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:11:35 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Wierd early Zorn reference?
Patrice will love this one.
I've got this LP by a guitarist named Eddie Senay, titled "Step by Step",
released on the Sussex label in 1972. It's one of those funky instrumental
soul records, like Roy Ayers, the Blackbyrds, etc, that were so ubiquitous
in the '70s. I bought the record mainly for the cover photo of Mr. Senay in
a too-cool-for-words red and white polyester hat, with matching shirt. It's
not bad stuff, the kind of stuff that the Beastie Boys would probably love
to sample.
Now for the wierd part. The jacket says it's "Produced by ZORN PRODUCTIONS,
Executive Producer: Clarence Avant". Also, all the tunes are composed by
Senay, but published by "Interior Music/Zorn Music(BMI)". I'd guess it's
recorded in New York City, just because of the sound and the look, but
there's no credit on the label as to where it was recorded. Anybody got a
clue to the connection to Zorn? I know it's not that common a name.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:01:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Pachora in Pittsburgh/shameful self-promotion
The by-all-accounts wonderful Pachora (Brad Shepik on guitar, Jim Black on
drums, Chris Speed on reeds, Skuli Sverrisson on bass) will be playing at
the Millvale Industrial Theatre on Sunday, March 15. Other acts on the
bill include the by-all-accounts wonderful Anne LeBaron, Pittsburgh Third
Stream (my word, not theirs) quartet Ensemble Duchamp, and Pittsburgh
punk/improv trio Balls Ball (featuring, well, me, on bass).
The Millvale Industrial Theatre is located on Rte. 28 between the
31st and 40th St. bridges in Millvale Industrial Park. Cover is $7.
Discreet BYOB. Show starts at 8:00. Since my band will be the first one
on, I encourage you to get there early. If you want to say hello, I'll be
the guy with the bass. If you want to punch me, I'll be the guy with the
guitar.
The "shameful" part is not so much that I'm on the bill as that I'm
not sure if there are others in the Pittsburgh area on this list. I'd
appreciate it if anyone in the Pittsburgh area sent me a brief private
email so I know I'm not wasting everyone's time. If I don't hear from
anyone, I will not post about ontopic Pittsburgh-area events here in the
future.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:44:55 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: concrete jazz
Unnh; i'm listening a Rahsaan Roland Kirk Lp couple days back; I look at
the inner sleeve and there's a thumbnail of a record by a duet of Freddie
Hubbard and Ilhan Mimoraglu (!). Err; on the Atlantic label: circa early
'70s. From memory, title is "Sing me a song of songmy" (I think).
Well, heck: but I'm intrigued. Anyone know anything about this?
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:22:43 -0800 (PST)
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
Subject: Bible Launcher
Andy Marks, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>While we're talking about the value of this release
>on vinyl, what do you people think would be
>the going price for a nice shiny, unopened copy of
>the canceled Tzadik release Bible Launcher?
On that topic, if anyone has a copy they
would like to sell at non-kollektor-scum
prices, please let me know. I'd like to
donate a copy to the music library at the
local radio station.
cheers,
mike rizzi
rizzi@netcom.com -------------------------------------- www.browbeat.com
"Another nerd with a soulpatch"
- -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 -------
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:52:29 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh/shameful self-promotion
- -----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
If you want to say hello, I'll be
>the guy with the bass. If you want to punch me, I'll be the guy with the
>guitar.
And if I want to kiss you?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:30:43
From: Jesse Simon <umsimo10@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Wierd early Zorn reference?
Dave Trenkel wrote:
>Now for the wierd part. The jacket says it's "Produced by ZORN PRODUCTIONS,
>Executive Producer: Clarence Avant". Also, all the tunes are composed by
>Senay, but published by "Interior Music/Zorn Music(BMI)". I'd guess it's
>recorded in New York City, just because of the sound and the look, but
>there's no credit on the label as to where it was recorded. Anybody got a
>clue to the connection to Zorn? I know it's not that common a name.
"Zorn" is german for wrath / anger. That could be where the name comes from.
Or not.
jesse
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:55:13 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Wierd early Zorn reference?
On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Jesse Simon wrote:
> "Zorn" is german for wrath / anger. That could be where the name comes from.
>
> Or not.
interestingly enough, "zorn"
is used as lapine ("destroyed,
murdered; denotes a catasrophe")
in Richard Adams' "Watership Down".
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:37:14 +0100
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: Mimoraglu
> Unnh; i'm listening a Rahsaan Roland Kirk Lp couple days back; I look at
> the inner sleeve and there's a thumbnail of a record by a duet of Freddie
> Hubbard and Ilhan Mimoraglu (!). Err; on the Atlantic label: circa early
> '70s. From memory, title is "Sing me a song of songmy" (I think).
>
> Well, heck: but I'm intrigued. Anyone know anything about this?
Can anyone say anything about Ilhan Mimoraglu? I've been listening to some
extremely brilliant electro-acoustic music lately (notable Bernard Parmegiani
and Pierre Henry), and I remember his name being mentioned in this area...
Any comments on Parmegiani and Henry are appreciated as well.
Also, on what label was the Ground Zero album "Revolutionary Pekinese Opera"
releases, and is it still available?
Frankco.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:35:54 +0000
From: patRice <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: the chromatic persuaders
i read about the following new cd release in a swiss newspaper a few
days ago.
thought some of you might be interested.
the chromatic persuaders - (catalgoue number: tscr9612)
the tracks are written by pianist neal kirkwood
mark feldman plays violin
unfortunately there is no title or label given. but i'm sure i could
find out.
patRice
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:11:51 -0500
From: "Andy Marks" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
> >While we're talking about the value of this release
> >on vinyl, what do you people think would be
> >the going price for a nice shiny, unopened copy of
> >the canceled Tzadik release Bible Launcher?
>
> On that topic, if anyone has a copy they
> would like to sell at non-kollektor-scum
> prices, please let me know. I'd like to
> donate a copy to the music library at the
> local radio station.
I think someone posted here awhile ago another label
besides Tzadik that was releasing this. Don't remember
which label it was though.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:31:28 +0100 (MET)
From: heesen@philo.uva.nl (Berrie Heesen)
Subject: Zorn Film Adam
Hi
I just noticed
next weekend in amsterdam, smallest of metropoles, a John Zorn weekend
=46our series of movies with John Zorn's music on friday 20 and saturday 21
March 1998.
It will happen in De Balie. Leidseplein.
After all these messages about nice events in the States I hope someone
else will now be happy.
By the way, if you happen to be in London or Paris you can just come over.
According to Tarantino you should not miss the Filmmuseum.
Ciao
Berrie
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- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:57:09 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
>> >While we're talking about the value of this release
>> >on vinyl, what do you people think would be
>> >the going price for a nice shiny, unopened copy of
>> >the canceled Tzadik release Bible Launcher?
>>
>> On that topic, if anyone has a copy they
>> would like to sell at non-kollektor-scum
>> prices, please let me know. I'd like to
>> donate a copy to the music library at the
>> local radio station.
>
> I think someone posted here awhile ago another label
> besides Tzadik that was releasing this. Don't remember
> which label it was though.
It is Radical House Records RH 0015 ,
there's a website at http://www.radhs.com/label.html
(I don't know how reliable their information is, since
they mention a Bible Launcher II on Tzadik in August'97)
YVes
-
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:18:38 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: the chromatic persuaders
patRice wrote:
>
> i read about the following new cd release in a swiss newspaper a few
> days ago.
> thought some of you might be interested.
>
> the chromatic persuaders - (catalgoue number: tscr9612)
> the tracks are written by pianist neal kirkwood
> mark feldman plays violin
>
> unfortunately there is no title or label given. but i'm sure i could
> find out.
>
> patRice
>
> -
This was released a while ago on Konnex. Perhaps a reissue??
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:21:43 +0000
From: patRice <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
Andy Marks wrote:
>
On that topic, if anyone has a copy they
> > would like to sell at non-kollektor-scum
> > prices, please let me know. I'd like to
> > donate a copy to the music library at the
> > local radio station.
>
> I think someone posted here awhile ago another label
> besides Tzadik that was releasing this. Don't remember
> which label it was though.
>
> -
as far as i remember, it was a label called "radical house"
patRice
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:22:24 EST
From: Mark2u <Mark2u@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #258
In a message dated 3/12/98 4:29:39 PM, you wrote:
>Did anyone out there get an FM recording of the Masada String Trio
>and/or the Andy Statman program? I have lots to trade.
Yes. I got it on DAT and would be willing to trade copies. I also have the New
Sounds Live performance of the Lounge Lizards from around 1993.
Mark Stevens
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:54:13 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Mimoraglu
>>>>> "Frankco" == flamerik <flamerik@best.ms.philips.com> writes:
Frankco> Also, on what label was the Ground Zero album
Frankco> "Revolutionary Pekinese Opera" releases, and is it still
Frankco> available?
It's on recommended (ReR), and should still be relatively easily
available. Check Wayside
(http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html) if you don't have
another source.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:25:28 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re:Mimoraglu
Ilhan Mimoraglu RULES. He is, in my opinion, one of the best tape manipulators
on the planet, right up there with Henry, and better than Ussachevsky. I got
into him when I DJed at a college radio station. Unfortunately, I've been
searching for his stuff and have found none of it on the web.
Another fantastic artist in this vein is Noah Creshevsky, but you don't see his
stuff anywhere except on Opus One releases.
Peter
____________________Reply Separator____________________
Subject: Mimoraglu
Author: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Date: 03/13/1998 3:37 AM
> Unnh; i'm listening a Rahsaan Roland Kirk Lp couple days back; I look at
> the inner sleeve and there's a thumbnail of a record by a duet of Freddie
> Hubbard and Ilhan Mimoraglu (!). Err; on the Atlantic label: circa early
> '70s. From memory, title is "Sing me a song of songmy" (I think).
>
> Well, heck: but I'm intrigued. Anyone know anything about this?
Can anyone say anything about Ilhan Mimoraglu? I've been listening to some
extremely brilliant electro-acoustic music lately (notable Bernard Parmegiani
and Pierre Henry), and I remember his name being mentioned in this area...
Any comments on Parmegiani and Henry are appreciated as well.
Also, on what label was the Ground Zero album "Revolutionary Pekinese Opera"
releases, and is it still available?
Frankco.
- -
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:46:40 -0600 (CST)
From: "Res.Ass.N.Emrah Aydinonat" <N.Emrah.Aydinonat@dialup.ankara.edu.tr>
Subject: Re:Mimoraglu
Is this guy Turkish? If yes his name must me "Mimaroglu".
Emrah
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:35:42 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Tapes...
Ok, I apologise first of for this grovel. It's a grovel, yes, so if you
don't like it, I'm sorry and you can delete the message.
Now that I'm off to such a good start...
Basically I don't have any of the kinds of tapes that I really want these
days, therefore no trading ability. I don't suppose anyone would be
interested in Phish tapes because I have quite a lot of those. Other than
that, I have a handful of MMW tapes that are all pretty good. If anyone's
interested in either of those drop me an email. Otherwise, Is there any
kind soul who would be willing to dub a few tapes if I sent blanks and an
SASE? I need to start building a collection so I can trade and avoid this
sort of thing in the future. If so, I would be ever greatful. (BTW, I'm
interested in Frisell, Horvitz, Zorn, and all those guys.)
Please respond to me, not the list. One of these is bad enough.
Thanks,
Dan
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:52:01 -0500
From: "Sean Terwilliger" <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: stone tiger
Does anyone know who the drummer in Stone Tiger was? Man, what a phenomonal
band. are there any demo's floating around?
- -Sean
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:40:45 +0000
From: "Andrew R. Miller" <motion@pop.nb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: scads scores
Dear Z-List,
Does anyone out there know how I can buy/rent parts or scores (ie:
sheet music) for Zorn's music?
Much appreciated,
Andrew Miller
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:09:10 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Mimoraglu
flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote:
> Can anyone say anything about Ilhan Mimoraglu? I've been listening to some
> extremely brilliant electro-acoustic music lately (notable Bernard Parmegiani
> and Pierre Henry), and I remember his name being mentioned in this area...
> Any comments on Parmegiani and Henry are appreciated as well.
Could this be the same person who worked for Atlantic Records in the
70's and , incidently, produced Sonny Sharrock's Paradise LP?????
- -
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:05:34 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Mimoraglu
On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Rich Williams wrote:
> Could this be the same person who worked for Atlantic Records in the
> 70's and , incidently, produced Sonny Sharrock's Paradise LP?????
Yup, it is. His "Wings of the Delerious Demon" on the Finnadar label
(which, if I recall, he ran)blew my ears open in the 70s.
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|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
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