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Zorn List Digest       Monday, January 19 1998       Volume 02 : Number 209



In this issue:
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       Re: Anyone wanna play with Fripp/Belew??
       Fred Chalenor (Zony Mash/Boodler$/Pigpen bassist)
       Ben Goldberg info/ radical Jewish Culture stuff
       Re: Say No More
       Re: angelus novus
       evan lurie
       Jim Keltner and Jim Black
       Angelus Novus
       Arcana
       Re: Arcana
       Re: Arcana
       Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black
       Introducing myself, and a comment on Painkiller
       Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black
       Re: Arcana
       zorn/philharmonic
       Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:00:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Anyone wanna play with Fripp/Belew??

How about other such Nashville luminaries as Peter Frampton, Brett
Michaels, Ray Stevens, John Kaye, and of course, yours truly? - Mike

        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

*********************************
Mike Shepherd
[e-mail]
Middle Tennessee State University
[phone]
*********************************



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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:20:54 -0800
From: "James L. Kirchmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fred Chalenor (Zony Mash/Boodler$/Pigpen bassist)

Hi there -
just thought I'd let y'all on this list (esp. those f/the NW USA) know
that the IMMENSELY talented Fred Chalenor (bassist for Wayne Horvitz's
Zony Mash & Pigpen, as well as Elliot Sharp's BOODLER$, etc.) has joined
a band here in Seattle that REALLY smokes as well.

This band is FREESTYLE CANDELA - and Fred has fit in VERY nicely with
Leif Totusek(guitarist/leader) and the wonderfully hypnotic and
danceable Afro-Latin Jazz-Groove original compositions written by Leif.
As the band's new manager, I have a website under construction at:
http://www.soukous.com/freestyle where there are sound clips off
Freestyle's debut CD (which features Keith Lowe on bass, now on tour
with Fiona Apple) and where future performances/tours will be listed.

>In the near future, the band plays tuesday Jan. 20th & tuesday Jan. 27th
>at the University Sports Bar located at 5260 Univ. Way NE in Seattle.
>Cover is CHEAP(3/4$ respectively)& **mention the Zorn list for 1$ off**!
>A free show also takes place at the Seattle Art Museum on Thurday,
>January 22nd from 5-7pm(liquor/wine/beer served!) so come on down after
>work and enjoy this 1998 SHOWCASE PERFORMANCE(w/grand piano) & a drink!

I can also add that three drummers will be there this tuesday as the
band stews up a heady brew of rootsy afro-latin acid-jams that'll leave
anyone in attendance not only tappin' their feet but also dancing in
their head!

Please excuse the promotional tone of this post but rest assured
that as a longtime subscriber of this list anything I've ever posted
(and will post) will always be in the spirit of ONE THING -> GOOD MUSIC!

Have a good one y'all,
James Kirchmer, Seattle, WA


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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:02:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Richard E Ladew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ben Goldberg info/ radical Jewish Culture stuff

Comrades:
On Jan. 31st I am conducting a radio special on Jewish Music and Culture.
I am interviewing ben Goldberg via telephone on next thursday, and I
wanted to see if anyone on the list had any questions.  Additionally, I
have been scouring my collection for more Jewish type music and aside from
all my Tzadik and KF stuff my prospects are bleak.  Any advice or info
would be greatly appreciated.

Much respect:

rich Ladew
[e-mail]

P.s. If this isnt Zorn-related enough my sincere apopogies.  People could
definitely also respond to my personal e-mail.  Thanks.


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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:52:31 -0500
From: R & T Cummings <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Say No More

Yves Dewulf wrote:

>Ostertag/Hemingway/Minton/Dresser live

>Waw!!

I just saw this gig in Berlin, Germany last Monday -
and I say Gaga-waw too!

Does anybody know if Bob Ostertag was actually using
live samples (i.e. recorded during the actual concert) or =

was he using samples from previous concerts, recordings, =

etc.?

On a related note, have any of you heard the new Gerry =

Hemingway stuff - both solo and with band? I've heard =

that he's also using samplers live etc.

Tschuess all you Zorniacs

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:31:25 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: angelus novus

I have my copy for almost two weeks and it is amazing.
"For your eyes only (for chamber ensemble)" and "Carny"(Solo Piano) are
quite similar to "Roadrunner" (Accordion) and "Cat'O'Nine Tails"
(String Quartet). Cartoon music with fast cut-ups and quotes from
various popular, classical and contemporary music.
Carney is as very spectacular (it reminds me of the music
for player piano by Ligeti or Nancorrow) and gets better every time
I listen to it.

The other two pieces are more continuous (more the Duras-piece style):
Christabel is like a modernist meditation for 5 flutes and a viola.
Angelus Novus are 5 short pieces for wind-octet.

I think this CD is even better than the Duras:Duchamps, so keep an eye
on it !

YVes.

P.S. Who are what is "Carny", referred to in the title ?

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:21:13 -0500
From: Bob Kowalski <[e-mail]>
Subject: evan lurie

..from Mark Corroto, Mary, & Patrice comes word that Even Lurie
contributed scores or songs to at least the below three films....

Johnny Stecchino  (Italian ...)
Office Killer  (new... Cindy Sherman)
Trees Lounge (Steve Buschemi)
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Happy? Here  Now? (Crepuscule Records)
Il Mostro (?)
Pieces For Bandoneon (Les Disques ...)
Selling Water by the Shore (Antilles)

I can recommend the Trees Lounge soundtrack (the films a renter...) and
"Selling Water by the Shore" which is excellent.  I am, along with others,
on the hunt for the other titles - there is enough here for a Tzadik archival
compilation I would think...

- -=Bob=-

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:24:55 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Jim Keltner and Jim Black

After the thread on Jim Keltner and Jim Black, I was a little amused when
I saw Mr. Black at the Bottom Line for the Frisell show on Saturday.  I
was seated very close to him, but I never did get the oppurtunity to ask
him what he though of Keltner. I'm sure he was impressed though, I know I
was. Keltner didn't take a solo the entire night, but he didn't have to,
his kit didn't define the beat, it permeated it. I'm very interested in
any other projects this guy has been involved with. I know he's a big
studio guy, but the only other playing I've heard him do besides Gone,
Just Like A Train, is Bring the Family. Any recommendations?
Jamie

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:34:03 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Angelus Novus

Got my copy yesterday and WOOOEEE is it good! Carny is my personal
favorite. Zorn's latest Composer Series stuff has been excellent - with
Duras:Duchamp and now this! I hope to see more in the future!

I also picked up Alvin Lucier's 'Music On A Long Thin Wire' and Heiner
Goebbels's 'Black On White' which are both great as well! Adios.

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:12:22 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Arcana

I very recently got the second Arcana CD 'The Arc Of The Testimony' and
just by looking at the personel on 'The Last Wave' (Bailey, Williams,
Laswell) which I do not have, I am completely confused as to how it
could sound even remotely similar to 'The Arc Of The Testimony'.
Comments?

May it also be noted that I do not like 'The Arc Of The Testimony' a bit
and would be interested in selling it or trading it. It is a promotional
copy (though I did not get it free).

listening to: Alvin Lucier 'Music On A Long Thin Wire'

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:11:18 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Arcana

>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <[e-mail]> writes:

    Tom> I very recently got the second Arcana CD 'The Arc Of The
    Tom> Testimony' and just by looking at the personel on 'The Last
    Tom> Wave' (Bailey, Williams, Laswell) which I do not have, I am
    Tom> completely confused as to how it could sound even remotely
    Tom> similar to 'The Arc Of The Testimony'.  Comments?

You're right, it doesn't.  The musicians in common are Laswell and
Williams, but it would appear that the Arcana project was for these
two to explore various possibilities.  I actually like the second one
better than the first, it has more variety and more color, and I find
the general intensity of the album exhilarating.


- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:12:58 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Arcana

At 04:12 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Tom Pratt wrote:
>I very recently got the second Arcana CD 'The Arc Of The Testimony' and
>just by looking at the personel on 'The Last Wave' (Bailey, Williams,
>Laswell) which I do not have, I am completely confused as to how it
>could sound even remotely similar to 'The Arc Of The Testimony'.
>Comments?

Bill uses band names to indicate a "center" rather than a specific lineup
or a specific sound.  Thus, Material is generally a Bill thing, with stuff
he plays bass on (_The Third Power_) being a somewhat accidental exception
to this, Praxis is Buckethead and whoever, ... , and Arcana was a band
built around Tony Williams.

_Arc of the Testimony_ and _The Last Wave_ don't sound very similar most of
the time.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:24:33 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black

At 01:24 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Jamie F Graves wrote:
>After the thread on Jim Keltner and Jim Black, I was a little amused when
>I saw Mr. Black at the Bottom Line for the Frisell show on Saturday.  I
>was seated very close to him, but I never did get the oppurtunity to ask
>him what he though of Keltner. I'm sure he was impressed though, I know I
>was. Keltner didn't take a solo the entire night, but he didn't have to,
>his kit didn't define the beat, it permeated it. I'm very interested in
>any other projects this guy has been involved with. I know he's a big
>studio guy, but the only other playing I've heard him do besides Gone,
>Just Like A Train, is Bring the Family. Any recommendations?


Get the *score* to _Trespass_.  The emphasis is because there is a
*soundtrack* that is a collection of hip hop tracks that were in the movie,
whereas the score is Ry Cooder, Jon Hassel, and Keltner.

Also, almost anything Cooder has done for the last twenty years seems to
have Keltner on it, but _Trespass_ is certainly one of the most
interesting.  I also like the score to _Blue City_, but I think that has
been long unavailable, especially because the movie tanked (which it
deserved.)


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:58:18
From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Introducing myself, and a comment on Painkiller

Hello everyone,

I'm new to the list, and pretty new to Zorn. I've got the first Naked City,
the first Film Works, Spillane, and Painkiller's EXECUTION GROUND. I love
'em all. I'll probably get BLACK BOX next. Or THE BIG GUNDOWN. Or both.

I sense a bit of Bali Gamelan in Painkiller. I'm hearing it right now on
the second disk, first piece. It's a four note descent that wavers in the
background. I also hear a kind of Godflesh growl [as on PURE] near the very
end of this same piece.

My other interests include string quartets by Bartok and Shostokovich
[Debussy's, Ravel's, and a couple by Mozart on the way - others planned],
Bach, The Baltimore Consort's take on early Scottish music ["In a Garden so
Green" from 1662 is beautiful], old Cowboy music [done by Michael Martin
Murphy, Don Edwards, Red Steagal], Charlie Parker, Thelonious Monk, Benny
Goodman, Frank Zappa, early Black Sabbath, Pantera, Helmet, old acoustic
blues [Robert Johnson, Big Bill Broonzy, Lonnie Johnson, Leadbelly], Robert
Fripp and King Crimson [THRAK was a big disappointment], and traditional
Asian music. I like the Asian influence in Zorn.

I just finished Ben Watson's book on Zappa [Negative Dialectics of Poodle
Play] and he mentions Zorn more than once, always favorably. Also Last
Exit. He's written under the name OUT TO LUNCH, being a fan of Eric Dolphy,
who I've yet to hear. Nor have I yet heard Ornette Coleman, or even SPY vs
SPY.

For the record - I'm 40, childless and single. Not that having kids or
being married should make an aesthetic difference, but I suspect it would.

Lastly, I'm a drummer who hasn't played in years.

Doug McKay
In Minnesota





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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:12:54 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black

Jamie F Graves wrote:

> After the thread on Jim Keltner and Jim Black, I was a little amused when
> I saw Mr. Black at the Bottom Line for the Frisell show on Saturday.  I
> was seated very close to him, but I never did get the oppurtunity to ask
> him what he though of Keltner.

I didn't speak to him after the gig, but before it started he was waxing
enthusiastic about getting to hear Keltner live.  Kenny Wollesen and Ben
Perowsky were two other Downtown drummers who came to check out Keltner.  I
pointed out to Jim that instead of rack toms, all three drums aside from the
floor tom and bass drum were snare drums of various sizes.  Jim mentioned
that that was something he had always considered doing but hadn't had the
guts yet.  Keltner did do a nice job of using various drums as the "main"
snare throughout the night, achieveing a wide variety of effects.  The only
other drummer I've actually seen doing this is Bobby Previte, who uses two
different sized snares in various ways with Latin for Travellers.  He also
had a bank of drum synth pads off to his right, and his floor tom also seemed
to be triggering a synth at times.  He also had such a deeply musical "feel"
to his playing.  It was really impressive.

> Keltner didn't take a solo the entire night, but he didn't have to,
> his kit didn't define the beat, it permeated it.

I don't know if you stayed for the second set, but Keltner was in general
more forceful and demonstrative (as were Frisell and Krauss, actually), and
really tore it up on "Gone, Just Like a Train," which wasn't played in the
frist set.  There were also serious doses of the old raw edge Frisell sound
on "Egg Radio" and "Lookout for Hope."  I'm mighty glad to have been there,
and mighty glad to have stayed for both sets.

> I'm very interested in
> any other projects this guy has been involved with. I know he's a big
> studio guy, but the only other playing I've heard him do besides Gone,
> Just Like A Train, is Bring the Family. Any recommendations?

As Jeff Spirer pointed out, "Trespass" is the most experimental work I know
of, and just a fine record, though it might be hard to find the score as
these things seem to have short shelf lives.  It features Cooder, Keltner and
Jon Hassell.  There's also some fine music from a larger band that includes
Cooder, Keltner, Jon Hassell and a bit of James "Blood" Ulmer on the score
(again, not the pop song collection) from the Wim Wenders film "The End of
Violence."  As for his work as a deep in the pocket rock drummer, the things
that do it best for me are Little Village (Cooder, John Hiatt, Nick Lowe and
Keltner) and yes, I admit it, the Travelling Wilburys.

Now how about someone reporting on the Previte/Zorn/Sharp/Horvitz gig?  Brief
reports I heard from those who came up from the Knit for the late set of
Frisell indicate that it was pretty awesome, but I'd like more detail.  Jody?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:25:19 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Arcana

Caleb Deupree wrote:

> >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>     Tom> I very recently got the second Arcana CD 'The Arc Of The
>     Tom> Testimony' and just by looking at the personel on 'The Last
>     Tom> Wave' (Bailey, Williams, Laswell) which I do not have, I am
>     Tom> completely confused as to how it could sound even remotely
>     Tom> similar to 'The Arc Of The Testimony'.  Comments?
>
> You're right, it doesn't.  The musicians in common are Laswell and
> Williams, but it would appear that the Arcana project was for these
> two to explore various possibilities.  I actually like the second one
> better than the first, it has more variety and more color, and I find
> the general intensity of the album exhilarating.
>
> ---

I agree that the second Arcana is most intense.  It is really not like
the first one with Bailey, but I never expected it would be.
Nevertheless, Pharoah Sanders is outstanding and even Buckethead does
some interesting playing. Also listen for the too little heard Byard
Lancaster.

Alan



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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:39:57 -0500 (EST)
From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: zorn/philharmonic

I have to go out of town and can't use 2 tickets for New York
Philharmonic playing Zorn this Friday - if anyone is interested, please
e-mail me privately.

David
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:17:26 EST
From: IOUaLive1 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jim Keltner and Jim Black

I caught the Zorn, Sharp, Previte, Horvitz set on Saturday, and it was indeed
great!  Totally improvised, with no break at all in the set.  They played
about 55 minutes, then about a ten minute encore.  Nobody really dominated,
they all shone equally well.  Zorn was really pissed at the beginning when he
walked out and saw an SM57 mic instead of the usual RE20.  For a second, I
thought that if he didnt get the RE20, that he was leaving!  All in all, it
was worth the twelve bucks.  They were recording the show, so maybe some day
everyone will get to hear it.
  I then split for the Bottom Line (as did many others, saw quite a few faces
from the Knit there, including Horvitz).  Frisell was incredible!!  I knew it
was going to be better than the cd, and thank God it was.  Ive only listened
to about 30 minutes of "Gone", and they just seemed to be plodding along..
hardly any soloing at all.  I thought they were trying to torture me.   I'm
sure it will grow on me though, like I said Ive only given it a short listen.
I really respect the subtleties in the music, but when you actually see
Frisell playing live, and you can actually see the little subtleties and
nuances that he does, its *really* beautiful.  And another thing that was
great about it was the volume at which he played.  Many times Ive seen him,
and he plays at a very low volume, but not this time.  I was six feet away
from him, and the volume from his amps (and from the other two guys) was
perfect.  Jim Keltner is the most layed back drummer Ive ever seen.  Among
some of his other tricks I noticed- he had an electronic drum pad near his hi-
hat foot, and when he stepped on it it gave a shaker-type sound.  He used this
near the end of the set.  Also, on a couple of his cymbal stands, he had
something..( I couldnt really see what he was doing) at the end of a couple of
songs he touched the cymbal stand with his hand, and gave off an alarm/ or
bell type of sound.  He was tasteful with his use of gadgets, though.
   After Frisell, I managed to see about 20 minutes of Brad Shepik and the
Commuters at the Bell Cafe.  It was Brad, Mike Sarin, Skuli Sverrisson and
Peter Epstein.  These guys have really gotten tight.  They play there every
Saturday night this month, well worth seeing (and its free!).

Jody

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