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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #203
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, January 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 203
In this issue:
-
Slint (slightly off-subject)
Re: Ostertag Stuff
Evan Lurie? (was: Hey Kids! Tzadik News! [longidh])
Re:Ostertag Stuff
best of 97
top ten?
Re: dates for SF
Stalling
Re: Stalling
Ellington
Re: Stalling
Re: Discs of the year...
Frisell's New Album
Re: Ellington
Re: Frisell's New Album
Re: Frisell's New Album
Re: Frisell's New Album
Pachora
Re: Frisell's New Album
Re: Frisell's New Album
Re: Evan Lurie? (was: Hey Kids! Tzadik News! [longidh])
looking for Gershon Kingsley album
Re: top ten?
Re: Stalling
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:51:27 +0100
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: Slint (slightly off-subject)
Tom Pratt wrote:
> listening to: Slint 'Spiderland'
>
Boy, if there is one record that stands the test of time it must be this one!
Everywhere I go I hear people rave about this 1990 (?) release. And, actually,
I agree with them in that it must be one of the best rock albums ever made.
Top 8 1997:
Jim O'Rourke - Bad Timing
Bjork - Homogenic
Stereolab - Dots and Loops
Faith No More - Album Of The Year
Isotope 217 - The Unstable Molecule
Aerial M - As Performed By ...
4 Hero - Earth Pioneers (actually a 2x12")
Photek - Modus Operandi
Frankco.
- -
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:56:55 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
Brian Olewnick wrote:
>Gauthier Michelle A wrote:
>
>> there is also a really cool Anthony Braxton 2 CD set set with Ostertag
>> somewhere out there that is still available...
>>
>
>Hold on now! Anymore info on this? Don't think I've ever heard of this
>one and it sounds very intriguing....
>
Unless there's something else I'm forgetting, I'm pretty this must be the
Braxton Creative Music Orchestra live in Europe discs on Hat ART.
Ostertag was mainly using Serge Modular synth/electronics at the time &
this is not 1) a duo recording or anywhere close; and 2) Ostertag's
contribution isn't all that related to his later sampler-based work.
It's one of the few recordings of this period (late 70s-early 80s) of
Braxton's large-scale works for improvisors.
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:55:35 +0100
From: Stephane Vuilleumier <svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Evan Lurie? (was: Hey Kids! Tzadik News! [longidh])
Hi,
Before the Masada/Painkiller avalanche sets in in response to Steve's
post, I'd like to express an interest in Evan Lurie mentioned
under Tzadik film music. What's the guy up to?
I think his 2 solo CDs (I know of only two) are just _great_.
I was listening to them the other day and wondering how Evan
was making a living and conjectured it might be commercial film music
of some kind.
What film music of his is the Tzadik release going to feature?
Stephane
At 02:29 08.01.98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>Hi everybody and happy new year...
>
>I just checked out the "News and Notes" page at tzadik.com this morning
>and was rewarded with the following (with pardons begged if someone else
>posted this and I missed it). My own interjections are set off by
>asterisks, my fetish of 1998.
>
>Coming In April 1998
>
>Film Music
>Evan Lurie
>
>==========================================================
>
>Thanks are due to Keiko Uenishi [oblaat@ggg.net] for her vigilant upkeep
>of the Tzadik news page.
>
>Steve Smith
>ssmith36@sprynet.com
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:08:29 +0100 (MET)
From: Oger <oger@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Re:Ostertag Stuff
There is a good way to get info and stuff from Bob Ostertag himself on the
following site :
http://www.detritus.net/ostertag
Jacques Oger
- -
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:30:21 -0300
From: "A.Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar>
Subject: best of 97
This are my picks for best 97 albums
Bloodcount -discretion
Paraphrase -visitation rites
Xenakis -kraanerg
Ligeti-vol(1-6)
John Adams-Chamber Symphony
Michael Blake-Kingdom of Champa
Someck&Sharp-Revenge of stuttering child
Dave Douglas -Sanctuary
Cromagnon -Bull
Mario Pavone -dancers tails
Reissues
J.Coltrane -live village vanguard
F.Zappa -200 motels
Harry Partch vol.(1-4)
A.B.
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:55:03 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: top ten?
I hate these things, but I do it anyway:
Tim Berne/Bloodcount UNWOUND
Uri Caine URLICHT
Dave Douglas SANCTUARY
James Emery STANDING ON A WHALE
Bobby Previte TOO CLOSE TO THE POLE
Henry Threadgill WHERE"S YOUR CUP?
Anthony Braxton QUARTET SAN JOSE
Bill Frisell NASHVILLE
Derek Bailey & Pat Metheny SIGN OF FOUR
Joe Zawinul TALES OF THE DANUBE
Honorable mention to two 1997 re-issues that otherwise would be top
five:
Herbie Nichols COMPLETE BLUE NOTE
John Coltrane COMPLETE VILLAGE VANGUARD
Alan E Kayser
- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:37:32 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: dates for SF
>i was told:
>
>-jan 30 john zorn/mike patton/and friends
>
>-jan 31 john zorn's cobra
>
>both shows are scheduled at slim's in SF 333 11th st.
_________________________________
I heard the Cobra date was 2/1 at Slim's. ??
s~Z
- -
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 11:42:43 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Stalling
Are there any in-print, CD releases of Carl Stalling's music???
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:33:28 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Stalling
>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net> writes:
Tom> Are there any in-print, CD releases of Carl Stalling's
Tom> music???
cdnow has the two Carl Stalling Project (produced by Hal Willner)
releases of his music listed.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:48:30 -0700
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: Ellington
I really love Duke Ellington, his compositions and playing style floor me.
I have Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, Far East Suites, Money Jungle, and Live at
the Whitney. I want to get more, he has so much material out there I want
to be sure that I get the real top notch stuff. This is why I am asking the
folks for this list for some suggestions. I really like his smaller combo
stuff, he plays out more.
So suggest away!
A big thank you to everyone that helped out with my Tom Waits deficiency, I
have not hit the music store yet, but why I do I plan to grab a lot of late
70s Waits. Thanks a lot!
Jay.
- -
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:59:25 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stalling
>>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net> writes:
>
> Tom> Are there any in-print, CD releases of Carl Stalling's
> Tom> music???
>
>cdnow has the two Carl Stalling Project (produced by Hal Willner)
>releases of his music listed.
There are two CDs that Warner Bros. released titled "The Carl Stalling
Project" and "The Carl Stalling Project Volume 2.". They contain music
from Warner Bros. Cartoons and also have some sound FX thrown in, too. I
think they're quite good. I was surprised (although I guess I shouldn't
have been) at how well these pieces stand on their own, without the
accompanying cartoons. Added bonus : John Zorn wrote some of the liner
notes to Volume 1.
SW
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- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:58:44 +0100 (MEZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
seems as if my list didnt come through...if some of you get it twice:
SORRY
my opinion on that:
Isotope 217 THE UNSTABLE MOLECULE
Mouse on Mars AUTODITACKER
Coldcut LET US PLAY
Squarepusher HARD NORMAL DADDY
Koch-Schutz-Studer HEAVY CAIRO TRAFFIC
David Slusser DELIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL
Roni Size NEW FORMS
Bohren & der Club of Gore MIDNIGHT RADIO
Bob Ostertag LIKE A MELODY...
Bjork HOMOGENIC
BJOERN
- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:06:45 -0500
From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Frisell's New Album
Has anyone heard Frisell's new album? I bought it yesterday and I don't
know what to think. The songs are all good, but there doesn't seem to be
anything particularly daring about this album. It sounds a lot like his
Charlie Haden/Ginger Baker work. I just hope its not an attempt by Bill
to make his music more marketable. Considering all the press this album
has been getting, I think that might be the case. I'd be interested to
hear what other people think of this album.
Jamie
- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:11:48 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Ellington
>>>>> "Jason" == Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com> writes:
Jason> I really love Duke Ellington, his compositions and playing
Jason> style floor me. I have Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, Far East
Jason> Suites, Money Jungle, and Live at the Whitney. I want to
Jason> get more, he has so much material out there I want to be
Jason> sure that I get the real top notch stuff. This is why I am
Jason> asking the folks for this list for some suggestions. I
Jason> really like his smaller combo stuff, he plays out more. So
Jason> suggest away!
You might want to check some of the jazz-on-CD guides. There's a big
one by Penguin (I think), which has lots of recommendations, and is
well worth the money if you're into jazz on CD.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:33:30 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
>Has anyone heard Frisell's new album? I bought it yesterday and I don't
>know what to think. The songs are all good, but there doesn't seem to be
>anything particularly daring about this album. It sounds a lot like his
>Charlie Haden/Ginger Baker work. I just hope its not an attempt by Bill
>to make his music more marketable. Considering all the press this album
>has been getting, I think that might be the case. I'd be interested to
>hear what other people think of this album.
>
>Jamie
I'm listening to him live on KCRW right now. As much as I love Frisell's
sound, I'm sure glad I didn't buy tickets for the McCabes show. I waited
until I could hear this music. It is very pretty. I would be bored by it.
Others will love it. Jim Keltner is no Jim Black!
s~Z
- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:07:01 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
- ----------
>>
> I'm listening to him live on KCRW right now. As much as I love Frisell's
> sound, I'm sure glad I didn't buy tickets for the McCabes show. I waited
> until I could hear this music. It is very pretty. I would be bored by it.
> Others will love it. Jim Keltner is no Jim Black!
>
Comparing Keltner to Black is apples and oranges.....Two completely
different styles... Keltner has gained mucho respect in the industry and is
a master acccompianist ! I generally don't buy a whole lot of records with
Keltner but he's paid his dues and has proven himself over the years...
glenn
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:25:06 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
- ----------
>>
> Has anyone heard Frisell's new album? I bought it yesterday and I don't
> know what to think. The songs are all good, but there doesn't seem to be
> anything particularly daring about this album. It sounds a lot like his
> Charlie Haden/Ginger Baker work.
Well if it sounds like the above than that's good (IMO)..
I just hope its not an attempt by Bill
> to make his music more marketable.
Musicians need to eat also.... I'm fairly confident tha BF will be churning
out great "non-marketable" product over the next several years. After all,
what has he done lately that could by coined avante, or "way out there" ?
Personally, i'd like to hear a new Power Tools album..............but...
glenn
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:22:00 -0700
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: Pachora
Has anyone made it down to the Knitting Factory Old Office to check out
Pachora? I will have to head down there due to the overabundance of great
player in this lineup. Jim Black, Chris Speed, Brad Shepik, and Skuli
Sverrison. I was hanging out at the Bell Cafe last saturday night and
Brad's other band called Brad Schepik and the Commuters played. It was an
interesting blend of middle eastern, indian, turkish melodies combined with
a solid jazz framework. The sound file I downloaded off the knit's homepage
seems like it is that vein as well. Should be interesting.
Any reviews of the show please send them my way.
Thanks.
- -
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:45:45 -0500
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
I think the new Frisell is fine. It definitely fits the
direction he's been going in since at least "This
Land"-fewer effects and more exploration of the guitar
harmonically, playing simpler melodies with interesting
self-accompaniment instead of long lead melodies. I don't
think it's really possible for him to sell out-his voice
on the instrument is so unique that even if he played with
Counting Crows it'd be worth hearing.
It's also always interesting to hear him revisit
compositions he's recorded before...
Has anyone heard the new Michael White album? I think it's
all duos with Bill. Also, I know that when I pick up the
Painkiller box on 2-24, I'm also getting the new Marc
Johnson, advertised in the latest Downbeat, with Frisell
and Metheny (Peter Erskine is probably the drummer, but I
don't remember for sure).
I reccomend the Frisell video very highly to all fans, not
just guitarists. The actual amount of guitar instruction
is pretty small-most of the time he talks about arranging,
rhythm, composing, just general stuff that I think most
non-musicians who are fans will enjoy. It's a great
portrait of his style.
Watching it, I was struck that Frisell's technique is a
lot like Derek Bailey's in the way he mixes open strings,
fretted notes, and harmonics, not to mention volume
swells. Of course, their harmonic palettes are extremely
different, Bill's coming out of Monk and Bill Evans and
Derek's coming from Webern, Cecil, etc...
- --
Jeff Schwartz (not Bill Frisell's publicist)
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:21:22 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Frisell's New Album
- ----------
>> Has anyone heard the new Michael White album? I think it's
> all duos with Bill.
Haven't heard it but it has recieved some good word of mouth.. In fact,
Tower is having their clearance sale commencing tomorrow.............
glenn
- -
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:41:05 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Evan Lurie? (was: Hey Kids! Tzadik News! [longidh])
Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
> I'd like to express an interest in Evan Lurie mentioned
> under Tzadik film music. What's the guy up to?
> I think his 2 solo CDs (I know of only two) are just _great_.
> I was listening to them the other day and wondering how Evan
> was making a living and conjectured it might be commercial film music
> of some kind.
I was about to say that he's busy with the Lounge Lizards, but then I noticed
that what you asked was "how Evan was making a living"... ;-)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:42:52 -0500 (EST)
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Subject: looking for Gershon Kingsley album
Gershon Kingley would like to rerelease two of his albums on CD, but
the master tapes are lost. Does anyone own a mint or excellent-condition
copy of
Gershon Kingsley "Music To Moog By"
or
Gershon Kingsley "First Moog Quartet"
?
thanks!
David Newgarden
home 212-431-4614
work 212-246-1200
dn@panix.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:40:24 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: top ten?
It's hard for me to compile a Top Ten list while avoiding everything I
had a hand in preparing or professionally hyping, but by eliminating
those (which obviously has a large impact on my choices, so they're
listed at the end) my list comes out like this:
Top Ten:
MATT SHIPP / JOE MORRIS: THESIS (HATOLOGY)
ANTHONY BRAXTON: QUARTET (SANTA CRUZ) 1993 (HAT ART)
MARTY EHRLICH & BEN GOLDBERG: LIGHT AT THE CROSSROADS (SONGLINES)
JOHN ZORN: DURAS-DUCHAMP (TZADIK)
MU-ZIQ: LUNATIC HARNESS (ASTRALWERKS)
SQUAREPUSHER: HARD NORMAL DADDY (WARP)
SQUAREPUSHER: BIG LOADA (WARP)
DEREK BAILEY/TONY OXLEY: SOHO SUITES (INCUS)
ROBERT FRIPP: NOVEMBER SUITE (DISCIPLINE GLOBAL MOBILE)
MICHAEL BLAKE: KINGDOM OF CHAMPA (INTUITION)
Honorable Mention:
BIG SATAN: I THINK THEY LIKED IT, HONEY (WINTER & WINTER)
BRAD SHEPIK AND THE COMMUTERS: THE LOAN (SONGLINES)
URI CAINE: URLICHT (WINTER & WINTER)
ANDY LASTER: IMPRESSIONS OF LESSNESS (SONGLINES)
WAYNE HORVITZ: MONOLOGUE (CAVITY SEARCH)
MAMORU FUJIEDA: PATTERNS OF PLANTS (TZADIK)
DAVID SLUSSER: DELIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL (TZADIK)
DEBRIS: ERRATA (EIGHTH DAY MUSIC)
DAVE DOUGLAS: STARGAZER (ARABESQUE)
VARIOUS: GREAT JEWISH MUSIC - BURT BACHARACH (TZADIK)
Reissues:
STANLEY BROTHERS: EARLIEST RECORDINGS (REVENANT)
DEREK BAILEY: AIDA (DEXTER'S CIGAR)
JOHN COLTRANE: COMPLETE VILLAGE VANGUARD (IMPULSE!)
KING CRIMSON: THE NIGHT WATCH (DISCIPLINE GLOBAL MOBILE)
KING CRIMSON: EPITAPH (DISCIPLINE GLOBAL MOBILE)
GARY BURTON: A GENUINE TONG FUNERAL (ONE WAY)
HENRY KAISER: OUTSIDE ALOHA PLEASURE (DEXTER'S CIGAR)
MILES DAVIS: 5 ELECTRIC SETS (COLUMBIA LEGACY)
STEVE LACY: DREAMS - SCRATCHIN' THE SEVENTIES (SARAVAH)
Things I might have voted for if I wasn't involved with them somehow:
TIM BERNE: DISCRETION, VISITATION RITES, SATURATION POINT (SCREWGUN)
CECIL TAYLOR: NEFERTITI, THE BEAUTIFUL ONE HAS COME (REVENANT)
JOEL HARRISON OCTET: RANGE OF MOTION (KOCH JAZZ)
ELLERY ESKELIN: ONE GREAT DAY (HATOLOGY)
CHRIS SPEED: YEAH, NO (SONGLINES)
DAVE DOUGLAS: SANCTUARY (AVANT)
BOBBY PREVITE: MY MAN IN SYDNEY (ENJA)
PREVITE/ZORN: EUCLID'S NIGHTMARE (DEPTH OF FIELD)
MARIO PAVONE: DANCER'S TALES (KNITTING FACTORY)
Things that probably would have charted had I heard them:
VARIOUS: HARRY SMITH ANTHOLOGY (SMITHSONIAN FOLKWAYS)
JOHN ZORN: PARACHUTE BOX (TZADIK)
Okay, so I cheated on the Top Ten qualification...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:50:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Stalling
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:
> cdnow has the two Carl Stalling Project (produced by Hal Willner)
> releases of his music listed.
Of which vol. 2 is probably the one to go for. It contains unaltered
excerpts and a few complete Stalling scores, sometimes with sound effects,
sometimes without. Vol. 1 is mostly "suites" edited together by Willner.
It's quite listenable, but it often loses the filmic logic of the original
scores.
Chris Hamilton
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