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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #201
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, January 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 201
In this issue:
-
Masada String Trio
Re: waits greatest hits
Re: Zorn Cobra SF show
Re: waits greatest hits
Re: Discs of the year...
Jim Black [was Re: alt.coffee 1-2/98 music sched]
Drumbo
weird little boy
BIG Activity?
Re: Fahey
Trespass
James "Blood" Ulmer Blues Experience
Masada Trio/Bar Kohkba
dates for SF
Re: BIG Activity?
Re: Pueblo
CDs for sale
Re: Discs of the year...
Re: Discs of the year...
Ostertag's _Attention Span_
Re: Ostertag's _Attention Span_
Re: Discs of the year...
Re: Ostertag's _Attention Span_
Re: Ostertag Stuff
Re: Ostertag Stuff
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 09:51:27 -0500
From: Erik Friedlander <erikf@erikfriedlander.com>
Subject: Masada String Trio
A new masada string trio record has been recorded along with a new Bar
Kohkba record. These will I'm sure be out this year...when? Not sure,
could be spring.
Erik Friedlander
http://www.erikfriedlander.com
- -
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 06:51:33 -1000
From: Dan Kuehn <smokey@maui.net>
Subject: Re: waits greatest hits
If you can stand 16 wide-ranging versions of the same tune, the soundtrack for
Jim Jarmuch's Night in the City is a great chance to hear the guy's non-vocal
talents writing and arranging, produced too.
It's eerie midnight taxiride music.
- --
Dan Kuehn
resident manager
Kailua Maui Gardens
- -
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:53:24 EST
From: WINRECORDS <WINRECORDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn Cobra SF show
Can anyone post details on this show? Location/date??
Thanks!
- -
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:20:58 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: waits greatest hits
Don't miss Bone Machine...percussive demonic delight
and the live version of The Piano Has Been Drinking/Lord's Prayer from
Bounced Checks
his performance in Altman's Short Cuts as L. Tomlin's husband
everything he's ever done...he is a master
- -
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:35:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Shepherd <rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:
> Samurai Celestial, Cosmic Gold Millenium.
What is this?
"It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
- Harriet the Spy
*********************************
Mike Shepherd
rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu
Middle Tennessee State University
(615) 898-3652
*********************************
- -
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:48:33 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Jim Black [was Re: alt.coffee 1-2/98 music sched]
Rusty Crump wrote:
> >>2/23 Cuong Vu
> >>Jim Black-drums, Curtis Hasselbring-trombone, Chris Speed-clarinet &
> >>tenor sax, Stomu Takeishi-electric bass, Cuong Vu-trumpet &
> >compositions
> >>
>
> I've seen Jim Black's name several times in the last couple of weeks'
> postings, and was wondering: is this the same Jimmy Carl Black, "Hi, I'm
> Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the group," who played drums in
> Zappa's original Mothers? I seem to recall that JCB played with Eugene
> Chadbourne once upon a time, so the avant-garde lineage is there, but JCB's
> drumming for Zappa seemed anything but avant-garde.
Jim Black is not Jimmy Carl Black, "the Indian of the group." He's only 31,
for starters. He's best known for his work in Bloodcount and Dave Douglas's
Tiny Bell Trio. Yves Citton in Pittsburgh recently mailed me a copy of a
really nice interview he'd done with Jim Black for a magazine called Discourse
and I hope to have this transcribed and added to the Press page on the Screwgun
website, which has undergone a massive facelift recently and is still located
at http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ssmith36/mainpage.htm
Incidentally, the younger Jim did get *his* chance to play with Eugene
Chadbourne as well during the fall U.S. tour of Ellery Eskelin's Jazz Trash
trio... it happened in Chapel Hill, NC.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:40:54 +0000
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Subject: Drumbo
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Dear all
A passing visit to Home Page Replica reveals that John French is about
to have a solo drum album released on Avant. Titled O Solo Drumbo it
seems to be sheduled for early this year.
Track titles and liner notes at the following:
http://www.shiningsilence.com/hpr/people/french3.html
Scott Russell
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:52:31 +0900
From: "Toru Todate" <trtdt@cb3.so-net.or.jp>
Subject: weird little boy
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I found the information the 2 new Zorn's albums will be released in
February( in Japan).
One is called ' Weird Little Boy' from AVANT, the other is 'Masada 9' from
DIW.
Anybody knows about 'Weird Little Boy'?
Toru Todate
trtdt@cb3.so-net.or.jp
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 15:58:20 -0800
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: BIG Activity?
Anyone know of the recent whereabouts/activity of Blind Idiot God or its
members? The last I heard of Hawkins was his 'Azonic Halo' and the
shared CD with Broadrick. Haven't heard anything from the other two.
For that matter, is BIG still functional?
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:35:53 -0700
From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net>
Subject: Re: Fahey
At 11:19 AM 12/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>dennis summers wrote:
>>
>> Just wanted to take a moment to second somebody's (sorry, I've been catching
>> up and lost track) positive comments on guitarist John Fahey's disk
>> Womblife.
>How does this disc compare to the recent 'City of Refuge'??
>
> -Tom Pratt
I like it better. It has more of an "ambient noise thing" going than City of
Refuge, which I also like a lot, but find to be more about "songs".
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 07:41:49 +0000
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Subject: Trespass
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Can anyone offer me an opinion on the desireability of the Ned
Rothenberg album Trespass. Features Zorn, apparently.
Scott Russell
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:50:37 +1100
From: Paul Jacobson <pauljay@webtime.com.au>
Subject: James "Blood" Ulmer Blues Experience
Hi
James Blood Ulmer will play in Melbourne on the 16 & 17 of this month as
part of the Melbourne International Jazz Festival. The program listings are
less than informative as to who will be playing with Ulmer.
Any ideas as to who will be touring with him?
TIA
Paul
- -
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 09:46:36 -0500
From: Erik Friedlander <erikf@erikfriedlander.com>
Subject: Masada Trio/Bar Kohkba
A new masada string trio record has been recorded along with a new Bar
Kohkba record. These will I'm sure be out this year...when? Not sure,
could be spring.
ErikF
For more info go to my Web site: http://www.erikfriedlander.com
I'm not at these addresses too much, but they are active:
73207.2436@compuserve.com
Arconomics@msn.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:50:43 EST
From: MrBungL26 <MrBungL26@aol.com>
Subject: dates for SF
i was told:
- -jan 30 john zorn/mike patton/and friends
- -jan 31 john zorn's cobra
both shows are scheduled at slim's in SF 333 11th st.
- -
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:06:02 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: BIG Activity?
>Anyone know of the recent whereabouts/activity of Blind Idiot God or
its
>members? The last I heard of Hawkins was his 'Azonic Halo' and the
>shared CD with Broadrick. Haven't heard anything from the other two.
>For that matter, is BIG still functional?
I read an interview with Andy Hawkins (naturally I don't remember what
magazine) at the beginning of the summer. He said that BIG was
definitely making another album, but that he didn't know who would put
it out, since Avant has a backlog of releases coming up. I think he also
mentioned that Laswell would not be producing it, at that juncture
anyway.
SW
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:58:37 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Pueblo
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:07:53 -0500 Steve Smith wrote:
> >
> > Steve Smith
> > ssmith36@sprynet.com
> > (and yes I *am* enough of a wonk to have kept a list of every goddamn
> > show I've ever attended... Patrice has *his* idiosyncrasies, I have
> > *mine*...)
>
> Really?
>
> Patrice :-).
Well, so I've *heard*........ ;-)
Steve
(whose seeming over-reliance on the *emphatic* use of asterisks may just
imply *another* idiosyncrasy in the making...)
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:08:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@enteract.com>
Subject: CDs for sale
Hi all,
I *had* to clean out my CD collection (to make room for my new stuff :-))
and am getting rid of about 200 CDs (of *all* genres/types). The Zorn
related stuff includes a coupla Tzadik CDs, the Japanese _Leng Tch'e_, a
few things on Avant, a Dave Douglas CD, some Japanese stuff on PSF, and
other things......
Anyway, my list is at www.enteract.com/~beuchaw/cdsale.html or you can
email me at beuchaw@enteract.com with a subject of CDSALE (all caps, just
like that, so my autoresponder will catch it) and get the list.
Sorry for the commercial-type intrusion.....
cya
brian
- --------------------------------------------------------
"The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to
distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:35:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:
> Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
> light hearted discs of the year listings?
Why not? My top 10, in democratic alphabetical order:
Bjork, _Homogenic_
Brotzmann/Gania/Drake, _The "WELS" Concert_
Dave Douglas, _Sanctuary_
Bill Frisell, _Nashville_
Bill Laswell, _City of Light_
Paul D. Miller, _Viral Sonata_
Jim O'Rourke, _Bad Timing_
Photek, _Modus Operandi_
Henry Threadgill & Make A Move, _Where's Your Cup?_
John Zorn, _New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands_
Happy New Year, all.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:27:35 -0800
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
> On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:
>
> > Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
> > light hearted discs of the year listings?
>
My finalists:
Ground-Zero Consume Red
Anthony Braxton Quartet (Santa Cruz) 1993
Jim O'Rourke Bad Timing
John Zorn Filmworks IV
Frederic Rzewski Night Crossing
Yoshihide/Stone Monogatari/Amino Argot
Iannis Xenakis Electronic Music
John Zorn Duras:Duchamp
Henry Threadgill Where's My Cup?
Frederic Rzewski New + Recent Works
Honorable mention:
Steve Beresford Cue Sheets
Braxton/Grawe Duo (Amsterdam) 1991
Braxton Composition 193
John Fahey Womblife
John Fahey City of Refuge
Luc Ferrari Presque Rien
Ikue Mori Painted Desert
Ken Vandemark Single Piece Flow
Zorn Filmworks III
Zorn New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands
Pretty satisfying year.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:53:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Ostertag's _Attention Span_
While on holiday, I found a copy of Bob Ostertag's 1990 Rift CD _Attention
Span_ in a used book store of all places. I don't recall this being
discussed before on the list, and I think it's well worth seeking out.
The disc contains two long (around 20 minutes each) pieces, both featuring
Ostertag improvising on sampler, using samples generated by a single
musician. The second piece, "Sleepless", uses samples of Fred Frith on
guitar, and features Frith playing in real time as well. It's fine, but
not spectacular.
The first piece, "Slam Dunk", however, is amazing stuff. It's
Ostertag playing solo using samples of Zorn on alto. While the sounds are
recognizable as saxophone if you've been clued in by the liner notes,
Ostertag's organization of the sounds is utterly different from what you'd
expect of Zorn or any other reed player. In fact, it sounds like Oval
more than anything else. I highly recommend, although I don't know if
it's in print.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:35:33 -0800
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Ostertag's _Attention Span_
Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> While on holiday, I found a copy of Bob Ostertag's 1990 Rift CD _Attention
> Span_ in a used book store of all places. I don't recall this being
> discussed before on the list, and I think it's well worth seeking out.
> The disc contains two long (around 20 minutes each) pieces, both featuring
> Ostertag improvising on sampler, using samples generated by a single
> musician. The second piece, "Sleepless", uses samples of Fred Frith on
> guitar, and features Frith playing in real time as well. It's fine, but
> not spectacular.
>
> The first piece, "Slam Dunk", however, is amazing stuff. It's
> Ostertag playing solo using samples of Zorn on alto. While the sounds are
> recognizable as saxophone if you've been clued in by the liner notes,
> Ostertag's organization of the sounds is utterly different from what you'd
> expect of Zorn or any other reed player. In fact, it sounds like Oval
> more than anything else. I highly recommend, although I don't know if
> it's in print.
>
> Chris Hamilton
>
> -
Chris,
You might also enjoy his 'Sooner or Later' (RecRec 1991), which uses the
sampled cries of a grieving Salvadoran child to great effect (along with
Frith samples).
Can anyone recommend recent works of Ostertag's? I've kinda lost track.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:11:59 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Discs of the year...
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Scott Russell wrote:
>>
>> > Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of
>> > light hearted discs of the year listings?
David Thomas MONSTER BOX
John Coltrane 1961 VILLAGE VANGUARD BOX
John Zorn DURAS: DUCHAMP
Bloodcount UNWOUND
Koch-Schutz-Studer HEAVY CAIRO TRAFFIC
Rob Brown Trio HIGH WIRE
Crispell/Hauser/Leimgruber+ BEHIND THE NIGHT
Derek Bailey GUITAR, DRUMS 'N' BASS
Harry Partch THE HARRY PARTCH COLLECTION, VOLS. 1-4
Bob Dylan TIME OUT OF MIND
s~Z
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:05:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re: Ostertag's _Attention Span_
This is an excellent CD. I have it on a label called ReCDec, which has
most of Ostertag's older stuff-- I think it's European. It is still
possible to purchase this from ReCDec. The coolest part of the disc is
definitely the wide dynamic range, which Bob discusses in the liner notes.
It's intended to be played LOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!
- -Michelle
On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
>
> While on holiday, I found a copy of Bob Ostertag's 1990 Rift CD _Attention
> Span_ in a used book store of all places. I don't recall this being
> discussed before on the list, and I think it's well worth seeking out.
> The disc contains two long (around 20 minutes each) pieces, both featuring
> Ostertag improvising on sampler, using samples generated by a single
> musician. The second piece, "Sleepless", uses samples of Fred Frith on
> guitar, and features Frith playing in real time as well. It's fine, but
> not spectacular.
>
> The first piece, "Slam Dunk", however, is amazing stuff. It's
> Ostertag playing solo using samples of Zorn on alto. While the sounds are
> recognizable as saxophone if you've been clued in by the liner notes,
> Ostertag's organization of the sounds is utterly different from what you'd
> expect of Zorn or any other reed player. In fact, it sounds like Oval
> more than anything else. I highly recommend, although I don't know if
> it's in print.
>
> Chris Hamilton
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:23:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
> Can anyone recommend recent works of Ostertag's? I've kinda lost track.
>
> Brian
Brian,
The most recent disc I know about is one called _Like A Melody, No
Bitterness_, second latest would probably be _Verbatim_. These are
both excellent. There is also a
fairly recent collaboration with Otomo Yoshihide, er... the name of the
disc escapes me right now. I'm sure someone can help me out with the name
and label. I'm not sure how far back you're interested
in going, but... some good ones:
- -Fear No Love (Avant)
- -All The Rage [with Kronos Quartet] (Elektra/Nonesuch)
goin' waaaay back...
- -Voice of America [with Frith and Minton] (ReCDec)
there is also a really cool Anthony Braxton 2 CD set set with Ostertag
somewhere out there that is still available...
And the last I heard, Ostertag was soon to have his own disc out on
Tzadik, as part of the Composer Series.
Hope this helps!
- -Michelle
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 21:37:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Corey Marc Fogel <mecorey@imap3.asu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ostertag Stuff
On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Gauthier Michelle A wrote:
> fairly recent collaboration with Otomo Yoshihide, er... the name of the
> disc escapes me right now. I'm sure someone can help me out with the name
" Twins! "
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