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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #1016
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, July 26 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1016
In this issue:
-
is monty alexander jz in disguise? (was: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review)
RE: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review (now Belgium)
Re: is monty alexander jz in disguise?
laswell/frith/lombardo/zorn sound
Re: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review (now Belgium)
Odp: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review
Odp: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review
Re: Mapster
Unless you are Artur Nowak, please ignore (No John Zorn or music)
Masada In Live Sevilla
Hip Hop Cobra
new Patrick Zimmerli on Songlines
Re: Peggy Lee?
Albright question
RE: Albright question
Panthalassa
RE: Panthalassa
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:09:43 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: is monty alexander jz in disguise? (was: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review)
ari wrote:
>>To leave, after the show (with two bis-sets), we had to pass through
another
>>part of the hall where Monty Alexander just started a concert with his
>>typical reggae/jazzmusic for a large, wild enthousiastic and dancing
>>audience (the Oscar Peterson style). Next to me stood a woman with a
child
>>on her arm, and she asked me "Wow I like this music, do you know who
this
>>is? Is this John Zorn with his band?" And I replied: "Yes I guess so.
You
>>have to check out his music on CD, but keep in mind that his cd's can
sound
>>a lot different to his live-music..." She thanked me for the
information and
>>I left the place while the band and audience were singing together
"Stir it
>>up"...
excellent, ari! well done!
this one really made me laugh!
and reminded me of the following story. a friend of mine used to work at
a cd shop. one day a guy came up and asked him if he could play the
latest "massive attack" cd for him. my friend put on naked city's
"torture garden" for the guy - apparently the latter looked rather
shocked after a few seconds, took off his headphones and said "this
fucking is a massive attack".
patRice
- -
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:22:58 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <stefan.verstraeten@wkb.be>
Subject: RE: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review (now Belgium)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ari [mailto:ari.h@wol.be]
Subject: Re: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review
Hi,
I live in the small country, Belgium, where the avant-garde scene is rather
marginal (to illustrate this: a few weeks ago I was on a David Shea
performance where he played his Satyricon for not more than 25 (!) people).
Zorn plays here once or twice a year with Masada (sold out concert hall) or
with his chamber music (half filled hall).
- ---------------------------------------------------
Apparently, we live in a different Belgium.
Avant-garde scene is marginal? Fred van Hove and his WIM (workgroup
improvising musicians) is a driving force behind the avant-garde scene.On a
regular basis, he invits persons like Zorn, Frith, O'rourke,... to join him
in one of his public workgroups.
What can we expect during this and next year: Fushitsisha, Derek Bailey
(with the Holbrooke Trio), Braxton, a japanese noise festival, Eugene
Chadbourne, Pierre Henry, Fred Frith, Marc Ribot, Arto Lindsay, ...
Off course, Belgium is not New York city. We don't have Tonic, Roulette or
Knitting Factory. But check out spaces such as Luchtbal, Vooruit, Singel or
Democrazy, and you will see that Belgium has a very active avant-garde
scene, not only consisting of foreign artists (mostly NY downtowners), but
also the musicians based around the Lowlands label.
But yes, you are right, these artists don't get much publicity in the
belgian press. And that is indeed a big shame for Belgium.
Best wishes
Stefan Verstraeten
- -
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:31:43 +0200
From: "Ari" <ari.h@wol.be>
Subject: Re: is monty alexander jz in disguise?
> excellent, ari! well done!
>
> this one really made me laugh!
>
> and reminded me of the following story. a friend of mine used to work at
> a cd shop. one day a guy came up and asked him if he could play the
> latest "massive attack" cd for him. my friend put on naked city's
> "torture garden" for the guy - apparently the latter looked rather
> shocked after a few seconds, took off his headphones and said "this
> fucking is a massive attack".
>
I don't know who's the one who has to be us most thankful for this kind of
jokes. Is it Monty Alexander/Massive Attack or John Zorn? Or is it our
completely surprised 'victim'?? Any suggestions?
Ari.
- -
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:51:14 +0000
From: Simon Hopkins <simon@state51.co.uk>
Subject: laswell/frith/lombardo/zorn sound
I was lucky enough to get to the LFLZ shows in both Paris and London (Paris
courtesy of my wife and z-list lurker Kristy - hello ,K!), so I can confirm
that the difference in sound quality was astronmical. As others have
reported, Laswell was all but inaudible at the Barbican in London;
Lombardo's kit was appalingly mic'd as well. The sound in Paris was
stunning; *everything* was very clear - and LOUD as well.
The comparisons hardly end there, of course. For while the group were
fantastic in London, they were clearly much more into it in Paris. I can't
second guess what the players were feeling, but I'd hazard that the
circumstances were largely to blame. The Barbican is an terrible venue for
this kind of show. I've never heard an amplified concert sound good there
and it's far too much of a "concert hall" to do justice to anything
approaching a rock show. The venue at Parc de la Villete in Paris was
perfect - a refitted former abattoir with seating and standing space and a
perfect acoustic for amplified shows.
Not that there would have been anywhere else in London for the group to
play; but then, what can you expect of a third world city like this one?
Simon
simon hopkins
a state51 rhoda street london e2 7ef
t 00 44 (0)171 729 8493
sh is a member of the state51 conspiracy
check out motion
http://motion.state51.co.uk
- -
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:24:21 +0200
From: "Ari" <ari.h@wol.be>
Subject: Re: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review (now Belgium)
> Apparently, we live in a different Belgium.
>
> Avant-garde scene is marginal? Fred van Hove and his WIM (workgroup
> improvising musicians) is a driving force behind the avant-garde scene.On a
> regular basis, he invits persons like Zorn, Frith, O'rourke,... to join him
> in one of his public workgroups.
> What can we expect during this and next year: Fushitsisha, Derek Bailey
> (with the Holbrooke Trio), Braxton, a japanese noise festival, Eugene
> Chadbourne, Pierre Henry, Fred Frith, Marc Ribot, Arto Lindsay, ...
> Off course, Belgium is not New York city. We don't have Tonic, Roulette or
> Knitting Factory. But check out spaces such as Luchtbal, Vooruit, Singel or
> Democrazy, and you will see that Belgium has a very active avant-garde
> scene, not only consisting of foreign artists (mostly NY downtowners), but
> also the musicians based around the Lowlands label.
>
Of course I expected this reaction! And don't worry, I don't think we're
living in a different Belgium. As I'm interested in avant-garde, I'm fully
aware of what's going on over here. But still I'm often surprised by the
reaction of the audience. A few years ago, on a concert by the arditti
quartet with music of Pousseur, Kaariaho, etc. the musicians had to implore
the audience: "can you please shut up or go home?" because it was impossible
for them to play in those respectless circumstances. And what happened on
Zorn's Chamber Ensemble performance one month after the famous Masada in
Middelheim? When one of the musicians (Stephen Drury? I don't remember) told
that Zorn could not be with them because of his ill mother, a lot of people
just left, even before the first note was played! And after 'Carny', another
part left because it was not the Masada they expected (if they would have
stayed till the end they would have had their Masada as an encore...) I'm
not complaining, it's just a notice.
And then we have the avant-garde audience (maybe the most conservative of
all). One of the free music festivals of WIM was announced by Fred van Hove
as the most anarchic festivals in Belgium (and it is indeed). But the Pino
Minafra Ensemble seemed to be not anarchic enough for the audience and most
of the people left during the show. At the end just a few people rested and
Minafra concluded: "I'm terrible sorry, but we forgot you're free-jazz
minded. If you really want to we can do that as well..." And they started to
play with a smile on their face some incredible improv-stuff.
I know these are just a few selected (and maybe not representing) examples,
but still. Maybe it's the same in other countries?
The musicians are complaining too. On the one hand they made Fred van
Hove to a cultural ambassador of Vlaanderen, but on the other hand they
think is worthless to sponsor his free music festival. As you know van Hove
is admired all over the world, but who in Belgium (except a few of us of
course) cares? At last he entitled his piece, that originally was meant to
be "Suite for Antwerp city", with the name "Suite for B... city". I think
it's obvious enough...
BTW: this year there'll be some fantastic musicians at the free music
festival: Charles Gayle, Paul Lyton, a.o. Maybe I'll meet you there...
Ari.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:35:54 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review
From: Ari <ari.h@wol.be>
>I live in the small country, Belgium, where the avant-garde scene is rather
>marginal (to illustrate this: a few weeks ago I was on a David Shea
>performance where he played his Satyricon for not more than 25 (!) people).
>Zorn plays here once or twice a year with Masada (sold out concert hall) or
>with his chamber music (half filled hall). To see some of his other stuff
we
>need to visit our neighbour countries. So I went to Paris to see/hear him
>playing with Frith, Laswell, Lombardo on the Paris Jazz Festival in La
>Villette.
well, if JZ comes there twice a year, it's not bad... He's been twice in
Poland: in 95 and in 99...
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:22:14 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Lombardo/Frith/Laswell/Zorn review
From: Arthur Gadney <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
> Did anybody go to the Paris (???) concert? I'd be curious to hear about
it!
> And what about the recent Massacre concert in Poland?
Well, the massacre show was quite terrific. Definitely oneof the best live
shows i've seen. Frith made me almost cry: his vision, quickness, melodism
were incredible. He's realy a great master and maybe the greatest improviser
now (as Miles is gone).
Really, it's hard to say anything on that show, i was so impressed i can
hardly remember anything but my fact of being impressed.
The only problem was the sound: it was too loud, the chairs in the Congress
hall resonated.
The whole thing was filmed, and broadcasted on FM, so it should be
relatively easy to find some tape of it (as soon as it is broadcasted on TV,
i'll let you know).
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:25:53 +0200
From: 2L <laurent.levy@fnac.net>
Subject: Re: Mapster
Ljova a =E9crit :
> For those of you who are fans of the group Napster (chuckle chuckle), d=
o you
> use Napigator? If so, which server are you generally on?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ljova
> (who tried to create the Zornlist channel several times today, but nobo=
dy
> came in...)
I'm usually on the bluegrass, acidpunk or blues server, that's where I fi=
nd the
most interesting songs.
If somebody creates a zornlist channel when I'm online, I'll certainly jo=
in in
2L
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:52:22 EDT
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Unless you are Artur Nowak, please ignore (No John Zorn or music)
Artur,
I tried to respond to your meesage but it keeps coming back as "Returned
MAil: Service Unavailable."
How do I get in touch with you?
Sorry for the inconvenience, folks.
Cheers,
Tom
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:29:07 -0400
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Masada In Live Sevilla
My copy came in the mail today. I opened it up right away and put it into
my CD player. It is much better than Middleheim and the studio albums I've
heard. The improv and the overall tightness of the group are much more
impressive on Sevilla. It's my favorite Masada disc to date.
Zach
- -
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:27:43 EDT
From: LostinmyDreamz@aol.com
Subject: Hip Hop Cobra
I went to go see JZ's Hip Hop Cobra on Mon. but it was sold out. I was
hoping that someone could give me a review of it and does anyone know whether
or not it was being recorded.
Seth
- -
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:07:50 -0700
From: Tony Reif <treif@songlines.com>
Subject: new Patrick Zimmerli on Songlines
Hello,
Wanted to let you know that the Patrick Zimmerli Ensemble's 2nd CD,
Expansion (SGL 1530-2), is in the stores now. His pretty remarkable band
consists of Patrick on tenor sax, Ben Monder on guitar, Stomu Takeishi on
electric bass, and Satoshi Takeishi on percussion. Since 1992 they've been
making some of the most intriguing and strangely beautiful
modern/avant-garde jazz around. It's difficult music to play well, because
Zimmerli's compositions feature unusual (for jazz) melodic, rhythmic and
harmonic concepts that require extensive group woodshedding, first to get
right, and then to play with feeling, including improvised solos that
relate expressively to the written lines of the other musicians. (The music
is never entirely free.) Expansion also includes arrangements of Monk's
Evidence and Kaper's Invitation, which provide helpful entry points to his
soundworld.
Patrick composes and has performed classical music too, and some of his
ideas come from studies of serialists such as Elliott Carter and Milton
Babbitt. But, though he has three music degrees from Columbia University,
this is not academic music. He's been a jazz performer since his teens,
when he won two Down Beat student awards for his playing, and has toured or
recorded with the likes of T.S. Monk and Kevin Hays. Most of his creative
energy however goes into his own music. He won the first BMI/Thelonious
Monk Institute composer's competition in 1993; the Ensemble's debut CD,
Explosion, came out in 1995 on Songlines, and his Twelve Sacred Dances
(with a piano-based quartet) was released by Arabesque in 1998. This body
of work sounds like, and affects me like, nothing else being made by "jazz"
or "classical" musicians that I know of. It's both substantial and
rarefied. But it may take some getting used to.
Expansion includes useful notes by Kevin Whitehead. At our website
(www.songlines.com) there are sound samples, a bio, and a long Zimmerli IAQ
(infrequently asked questions) that covers some interesting and
occasionally controversial areas. His thoughts on jazz improvisation for
example are worth reading whether or not you ultimately warm to his music.
Tony
Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:57:39 -0700
From: Tony Reif <treif@songlines.com>
Subject: Re: Peggy Lee?
In fact Talking Pictures is led by guitarist Ron Samworth and they have a
new CD on the way on Songlines featuring Dutch alto saxist/composer Jorrit
Dijkstra, with whom the band has been working recently.
Tony
>Peggy Lee leads her band on an extremely good CD on Spool called The
>Peggy Lee Band. She also plays duets with her husband, drummer Dylan van
>der Schyff on These Are Our Shoes (also Spool). Both are featured, along
>with Dave Douglas and Mark Dresser, on clarinetist Francois Houle's
>beautiful tribute to John Carter, In The Vernacular (Songlines) and in a
>cooperative band called Talking Pictures, mostly on the defunct Red
>Toucan label.
>
>Those are her "jazzier" things.
>
>She also plays in a number of other settings that are closer to
>contemporary classical.
>
>James Hale
>
>Fritz Feger wrote:
>>
>> Steve Smith wrote:
>> >Presumably when they take it to the studio, Feldman,
>> >Friedlander and Roseman will be back on board, but I'll just reiterate
>>what a
>> >splendid job Hammann, Lee and Daley did in their places, and that with only
>> >one rehearsal...
>>
>> Are there any records out with Peggy Lee? What is she doing?
>>
>> Thank you;
>> Fritz.
>>
>> -
>
>-
Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings)
- -
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:46:36 +0200
From: Vigill <invigilator@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Albright question
Hello Zornlisters,
I am a freshman on the list, so please excuse me if this was already
discussed - but can anyone provide me with some more information on
the
so called Zorn-Albright incident...
Thanx
Vigill
NP Frank Zappa - Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar
- -
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:30:44 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <stefan.verstraeten@wkb.be>
Subject: RE: Albright question
Hi and welcome to the zornlist, always nice to have new members and new
ideas!!!
if I am correct, it occured when Havel visited the Knitting Factory.
Albright joined him (she wanted to rediscover her jewish roots, it was said)
and they sat upstairs and the Knit.
John Zorn was playing, but Albright was talking too loud.
The story goes that John Zorn stopped playing and said in a loud voice to
shut up. I even heard people say that Marc Ribot added some harsh guitar
noise after the shout of john zorn.
What I know sure is that there is a bootleg of this incident...
Anyway, that is the story that is posted to several email lists (including
political ones).
But I am sure that some people on the zornlist were actually there, so
please correct me if I am wrong.
Best wishes
Stefan Verstraeten
- -----Original Message-----
From: Vigill [mailto:invigilator@poczta.onet.pl]
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Albright question
Hello Zornlisters,
I am a freshman on the list, so please excuse me if this was already
discussed - but can anyone provide me with some more information on
the
so called Zorn-Albright incident...
Thanx
Vigill
NP Frank Zappa - Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:00:00 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: Panthalassa
Hello to all,
I purchased Miles Davis/Bill LAswell's Panthalassa a long time ago, but I'm
not too sure what is that Bill Laswell actually did with Miles work. I
guess my question is what's that "reconstruction" all about?
Thanks
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:28:23 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <stefan.verstraeten@wkb.be>
Subject: RE: Panthalassa
- -----Original Message-----
From: Neil H. Enet [mailto:nilugo@usa.net]
Subject: Panthalassa
Hello to all,
I purchased Miles Davis/Bill LAswell's Panthalassa a long time ago,
but I'm
not too sure what is that Bill Laswell actually did with Miles work. I
guess my question is what's that "reconstruction" all about?
Thanks
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
I had the same question when I purchased this disc, but fortunately, a
friend of mine has the original cds from this period.
The thing that is the most important, is that Laswell had access to the
complete recorded sessions. This means that this album has previously
unreleased material.
The difference from the original material is the typical Laswell
reconstruction thing: get access to the original master tape, improve sound
quality, remix the whole thing from scratch (this means that some parts
don't contain the trumpet - but the bass does the lead now for example),
strech the intro's for an ambient mode and last but not least shake
everything with al laswell sauce (echo, reverb, delay,...).
Anyway, the same thing he did with Bob Marley and the Irish songbook.
It is allways the same discussion: you like this manner of work or you
don't... Personally, I like this disc.
Best wishes,
Stefan Verstraeten
NP Koji Asano: Momentum (let me grap the opportunity to make some publicity
for this musician. He makes soundscapes with the craziest things. On this
album, he uses microphones and woofers to create very dark ambient). For
further info, check out his personal website
http://personal4.iddeo.es/koji/)
- -
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