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To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #78
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zorn-list Digest Tuesday, April 22 1997 Volume 02 : Number 078
In this issue:
Re: Koch's Tzadik webpage
Zony Mash
Re: "darling of academia"
Re: Redbird
Zorn's childhood
Re: Filmworks IV
Re: Zorn's childhood
Re: Intellectual property is theft! II
Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe
Re: Zorn's childhood
Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe
cool site.
Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe
Re: Redbird
?: Burt Bacharach double CD
Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe
jonas hellborg
Re: jonas hellborg
Bun Ching Lam _Like Water_
Re: jonas hellborg
Re: Filmworks IV
Re: Wayne Horvitz answers
Re: jonas hellborg
Re: jonas hellborg
Re: jonas hellborg
Live Painkiller - Italy
More Laswell Live Shows
Re: Wayne Horvitz answers
Re: ?: Burt Bacharach double CD
Re: Wayne Horvitz answers
Re: john schott
berne [UK radio]
Re: Filmworks IV
amm
Re: amm
FS: Duck Baker plays the music of Herbie Nichols
Re: amm
Lam's _Like Water_ (& John Schott note)
Re: Filmworks IV
See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:18:10 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Koch's Tzadik webpage
Howdy!
On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Andy Marks wrote:
> > From: peter tush <ptush@arts.usf.edu>
> > To: zorn-list@xmission.com
> > Subject: Koch's Tzadik webpage
> > Date: Friday, April 18, 1997 6:06 AM
> >
>
> Does anyone know if Filmworks 4 is due to be released in the next
> batch on April 22? I recall that someone posted a review of it here
> a little while ago but I haven't seen it yet.
>
Oh, unnh: Filmworks 3 and 4 both came out the second week of March:
leastways in this part of the world. And they're both pretty excellent
(great to hear Zorn getting back to music concrete!)
Cheers,
Jim
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:54:12 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Zony Mash
Did you all know that the new Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash-Cold Spell
features one song written by John Zorn? It's a pretty cool tune so all
of you super Zorn completists have to go out and get it right now!
-Tom Pratt
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:31:16 +0200 (MESZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: "darling of academia"
yeah,
funny thing i read a review of Bar Kokhba some weeks ago in our local
newspaper!!!
BJOERN
On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, James Douglas Knox wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You'd better believe it! Bar Kokhba got 5 stars in a review in the Sydney
> Morning Herald ("a classic"); yesterday's Weekend Australian also gave it
> a favourable notice. Can't never remember Zorn getting the least
> acknowledgement by this nation's regular (or much of the so-called
> 'alternative') press any time in the past.
>
> Maybe this is the global paradigm shift we've all been waiting for
> (well, maybe not...)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
>
> On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Josh Miller wrote:
>
> > i saw the kronos quartet tonight...it was great but kind of
> > disapointing. 9 scheduled pieces, 3 encores, and they still didn't do
> > any of the zorn pieces. oh well. they did do cage, harry patch, and ken
> > valitsky, among others.
> > one interesting thing: john zorn was mentioned in the program as a
> > "modern master." the concert was at my university; does this mean zorn
> > may yet become a "darling of academia"...?
> >
> > josh
> >
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 08:28:35 -0400
From: peter tush <ptush@arts.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: Redbird
Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> Could anyone here tell me what Redbird is like? I've heard that it is
> acoustic but that's about all. I might be interested in this one so...
> any thoughts?
>
> -Tom Pratt
"Redbird" is a very quiet cd. The instrumentation has a lot to do with it:
harp, cello, viola and percussion. There is an 8 minute piece for solo bass
drums that is VERY quiet and meditative, and a 41 minute composition for the
ensemble that moves very slowly. Several people have compared it with Morton
Feldman and that's not too far off the mark. It almost sounds Asian.
If you are not sure about it, check out the same ensemble's track on the new
"Filmworks v.IV." The cd features five cuts by different ensembles
including a Ribot/Quine dessert surf tune and a Keith Jarret-like piano piece
(!), but it also contains the "Redbird" ensemble doing a similar 17 minute
work. Personally I like this cut even better, it has more dynamics, and is
really an exquisite composition. But it led me to finally purchase "Redbird"
so I am happy.
Peter Tush
ptush@arts.usf.edu
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:16:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marc Lambert <mlambert@umich.edu>
Subject: Zorn's childhood
Hey folks. Can anyone tell me something about the early years recording?
Is it recent recordings of material he wrote while very young? How
would yo describe the music itself? Thanks. Marc, Ann Arbor, MI.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:14:31 +0000
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Filmworks IV
>Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:48:21 -0400
>From: "Andy Marks" <andy.marks@mts.com>
>Subject: Re: Koch's Tzadik webpage
>
>Does anyone know if Filmworks 4 is due to be released in the next
>batch on April 22? I recall that someone posted a review of it here
>a little while ago but I haven't seen it yet.
If you "back out" to the Koch Home Page from the Tzadik page, and
select "New Releases", you'll find all of the new Koch titles for
April. Included are Filmworks IV, New Traditions in East Asian Bar
Bands, as well as a few new and recent Avant titles.
What you won't see is descriptive information about each release, like
was found on the Tzadik page. You also won't see the planned
releases for May listed yet. April's didn't get put out there till
last week.
I recently emailed Koch, asking when they would update their web
pages, and if they would start carrying DIW releases. What follows
is the response I got:
>thanks for the note.
>postings are coming.
Obviously, whoever's minding their web presence these days could give
a rat's ass.
And, just to clear up some confusion, Tzadik released a bunch of stuff
in March that was not released here in the USA. Filmworks IV was
amoung several releases pushed back to April in the USA only. My guess
is that Koch is too busy or too poor to keep up with Tzadik's release
schedule.
Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:27:34 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Zorn's childhood
Marc Lambert wrote:
>
> Hey folks. Can anyone tell me something about the early years recording?
> Is it recent recordings of material he wrote while very young? How
> would yo describe the music itself? Thanks. Marc, Ann Arbor, MI.
It's a really fucking wierd ass album. A friedn of mine bought it a
year ago and I listened to it a little while. you can hear TV's and
vacuum cleaners in the back and it's just him making some noise. I would
not recommend it but hey, you might like it.
-Tom Pratt
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:59:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Intellectual property is theft! II
In a message dated 97-04-19 23:44:12 EDT, prelapse@pop3.tiac.net (Mason
Wendell) writes:
> Prelapse plays from Zorn's original charts. Our CD for him has long
> been in the works for Tzadik. We hope to finish it this summer. ;-)
>
Which titles are they?
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:45:01 -0400
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe
IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote:
>
> I was going to mention this too, and I will definitely be there. I guess the
> secret will be out that Shawn Lane is really Buckethead. This will be guitar
> torture of the utmost intensity.
I don't mean to be dense, but... This can't possibly be true. Can it?
- -Sean
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:45:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn's childhood
On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Marc Lambert wrote:
> Hey folks. Can anyone tell me something about the early years recording?
> Is it recent recordings of material he wrote while very young? How
> would yo describe the music itself? Thanks. Marc, Ann Arbor, MI.
It's old recordings of music he wrote while in college. The music is very
rough-sounding, and consists largely of multilayered overdubs of found
sounds, electronic noise, and amateurishly played reeds, guitar, and
percussion. Zorn is the only performer. It's definitely juvenilia. As
such, it's pretty interesting for people like me interested in Zorn's
early development, but it's not terribly good other than as foreshadowing
of things to come. My guess is diehard Zorn fanatics won't feel ripped
off by it, but more casual fans probably won't get much out of it.
Chris Hamilton
Currently listening to _Dart Drug_, Derek Bailey's duet album with
percussionist Jamie Muir, who really needs to record more
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:58:59 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Subject: Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe
At 05:45 PM 4/20/97 -0400, Sean Terwilliger wrote:
>IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I was going to mention this too, and I will definitely be there. I
guess the
>> secret will be out that Shawn Lane is really Buckethead. This will be
guitar
>> torture of the utmost intensity.
>
>I don't mean to be dense, but... This can't possibly be true. Can it?
>
This misconception results from the fact that all guitarist look alike when
they wear a chicken bucket on their head.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:39:28 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: cool site.
Any tape collectors out ther should go to
http://tapetracker.com/traderindex/ and submit their trader information.
It's a great place that just keeps growing and growing and growing
and...
-Tom Pratt
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe
I also forgot to mention, that anyone going to this show, bring a camcorder,
dat recorder, or an etch a sketch to document this event. This will be
something you may want your grandkids to hear. The band allows it!
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:00:28 -0800
From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy)
Subject: Re: Redbird
>Could anyone here tell me what Redbird is like? I've heard that it is
>acoustic but that's about all. I might be interested in this one so...
>any thoughts?
>
There are 2 works on the CD. The first piece is for several bass drums,
played by Jim Pugliese. It's incredibly quiet & slow, low almost pitchless
drum vibrations swell out of whatever ambient sounds you're listening
within. I won't have a good sense of the form until I get new neighbors,
though now that my work schedule's back to normal I may be able to fit it
in when no one's around.
Redbird is gorgeous. Slow nearly static chords, shifting figure ground
relationships between the instruments (harp, viola, cello, mallet
percussion), very much related to the minimalism of Morton Feldman's late
works.
It doesn't sound like very many other recorded pieces by Zorn, except for a
shorter piece for the same instrumentation on one of the Filmworks
collections (#4 I think). Zorn doesn't play on the disc, if that matters
to you.
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:02:08 +0200
From: Friedrich Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de>
Subject: ?: Burt Bacharach double CD
In his mail "Re: Koch's Tzadik webpage" at Sat, 19 Apr 1997 02:40:29, Steve
Smith wrote:
>here's my last shot: a tracklisting for the Burt Bacharach double CD (which
>in my humble opinion is amazing): [...]
My first question: what's the name of this CD?
My second question: are there any more reviews about it?
Fritz
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:11:11 -0500
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe
- ----------
>
> IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I was going to mention this too, and I will definitely be there. I
guess the
> > secret will be out that Shawn Lane is really Buckethead. This will be
guitar
> > torture of the utmost intensity.
>
> I don't mean to be dense, but... This can't possibly be true. Can it?
>
> -Sean
It's not true....
glenn
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 9:54:52 EDT
From: "M.Ho" <mus4mth@atlas.vcu.edu>
Subject: jonas hellborg
Does anyone know anything about bassist Jonas Hellborg? He's
scheduled to play in Charlottesville, VA and heard he's great but can
anyone tell me what he's been on or have done?
Mary.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:25:28 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Subject: Re: jonas hellborg
At 09:54 AM 4/21/97 EDT, M.Ho wrote:
>Does anyone know anything about bassist Jonas Hellborg? He's
>scheduled to play in Charlottesville, VA and heard he's great but can
>anyone tell me what he's been on or have done?
He plays in two basic types of things and you should try and find out what
he is doing. He often plays solo bass, sometimes with an electric bass but
more often an acoustic bass guitar, an unusual instrument with a beautiful
tone. How much you would like this could depend on how long you find a
solo instrument interesting. He also plays electric bass with other
musicians, but what he plays depends on who is with him. He has done quite
a bit of funk, some African stuff, some more jazzy stuff, some electronic
stuff.
He must have a dozen recordings out under his own name, many on his Day
Eight label. He works a lot with Bill Laswell (trivia note - Bill Laswell
bought his studio from Hellborg), Ginger Baker and two guys named
Johansson. My own favorites are his _Octave of the Holy Innocents_ with
Buckethead and Michael Shrieve and the recording he did with Glen Velez.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:48:36 -0400
From: "Andy Marks" <andy.marks@mts.com>
Subject: Bun Ching Lam _Like Water_
Anybody got this? I saw it the other day
and it looked interesting. What's it like?
- -------------------------------------------------------------
Andrew Marks
Software Engineer
MTS-PowerTek, Inc.
- -------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:14:34 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: jonas hellborg
> He plays in two basic types of things and you should try and find out what
> he is doing. He often plays solo bass, sometimes with an electric bass but
> more often an acoustic bass guitar, an unusual instrument with a beautiful
> tone. How much you would like this could depend on how long you find a
> solo instrument interesting. He also plays electric bass with other
> musicians, but what he plays depends on who is with him. He has done quite
> a bit of funk, some African stuff, some more jazzy stuff, some electronic
> stuff.
He's also done some Arabian things. He has analbum called 'The Word'
with Tony Williams and the Soldier String Quartet. It's not all that
Arabian but I guess it's supposed to be. It just sounds cool. They do a
neat version of Hendrix's "Cherokee" I think it's called. He plays
acoustic bass guitar. I also have a live show of acoustic duets of
Hellborg and John Maclaughlin. He's played in Mclaughlin's trio with
Trilok Gurtu I think and was a member of Mahavishnu Orchestra I'm pretty
sure. (please correct me if I'm wrong) He's from Sweden aqnd he's really
fast and he's one of the best bassists I've ever heard.
Hey Jeff! What did he do with Glen Velez. I love that guy. He added
some neat stuff to Ned Rothenberg's "Power Lines" with Dave Douglas,
Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander and others. check it out.
-Tom Pratt
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:29:00 -0400
From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith)
Subject: Re: Filmworks IV
Dwight Haden wrote:
>I recently emailed Koch, asking when they would update their web
>pages, and if they would start carrying DIW releases. What follows
>is the response I got:
>
>>thanks for the note.
>>postings are coming.
>
>Obviously, whoever's minding their web presence these days could give
>a rat's ass.
Nope, it's not the person who minds their web presence (who, like I was, is
responsible for the publicity of the corporation and all of its classical
labels, not to mention radio promotion of same) who doesn't give a rat's
ass, but rather the company that employs him.
>And, just to clear up some confusion, Tzadik released a bunch of stuff
>in March that was not released here in the USA. Filmworks IV was
>amoung several releases pushed back to April in the USA only. My guess
>is that Koch is too busy or too poor to keep up with Tzadik's release
>schedule.
Neither... Koch just has very strict release schedules which have to do
with very strict major record stores and their data entry pecadilloes, not
to mention publication of the Koch release book. Basically there has to be
a deadline and Tzadik just didn't make that one. It didn't bother anyone
at Tzadik particularly (correct me if I'm wrong, D.), and most of us in the
U.S. are used to having Europeans get discs before us anyway, aren't we?
:-)
Steve Smith
ssmith@kochint... um, knittingfactory.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:28:58 -0400
From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith)
Subject: Re: Wayne Horvitz answers
Patrice -
>> 3. There's a new Pigpen album coming out on Tim/Kerr. There's also another
>> project coming out on Intuition called Four Plus One Ensemble (the name may
>> change) that's a full band (with second keyboardist and an on-stage sound
>> processor) that apparently works in an avant-ish chamber style.
>
>Also coming out on T/K, a second Boodlers (E#, Fred Chalenor, Henry Franzoni
>and Joe Trump).
But isn't Tim/Kerr dead? I mean, that's usually what's implied when your
company is taken over by a major (Mercury) and you fire your entire staff,
isn't it? (Speaking as someone who had a friend among those who were
unceremoniously dumped...) Patrice, you're the homeboy... get Thor on the
phone and get to the heart of this for us.
Steve
ssmith@knittingfactory.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:10:50 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Subject: Re: jonas hellborg
At 12:14 PM 4/21/97 -0400, Tom Pratt wrote:
>
>He's also done some Arabian things.
My favorite track on _Octave_ is an Arabic thing.
>He has analbum called 'The Word'
>with Tony Williams and the Soldier String Quartet. It's not all that
>Arabian but I guess it's supposed to be. It just sounds cool. They do a
>neat version of Hendrix's "Cherokee" I think it's called. He plays
>acoustic bass guitar. I also have a live show of acoustic duets of
While I like Hellborg's playing on _The Word_, I think the project didn't
quite come together as well as a lot of other Hellborg recordings. For
whatever reasons, it sounds like Hellborg, the Quartet, and Williams are
each playing their own thing.
>Hellborg and John Maclaughlin. He's played in Mclaughlin's trio with
>Trilok Gurtu I think and was a member of Mahavishnu Orchestra I'm pretty
>sure. (please correct me if I'm wrong) He's from Sweden aqnd he's really
>fast and he's one of the best bassists I've ever heard.
Well his resume shows that he played with Mahavishnu but I haven't seen him
on any of their recordings.
He plays on a number of Laswell things also, such as Ginger Baker's _Middle
Passages_, Deadline's _Dissident_, and probably some others I can't remember.
>
>Hey Jeff! What did he do with Glen Velez. I love that guy. He added
>some neat stuff to Ned Rothenberg's "Power Lines" with Dave Douglas,
>Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander and others. check it out.
The CD is on Day Eight, and I can't remember the name but it is in Spanish,
I believe. There is some weird electronics on it, it is occasionally
almost in the "ambient" category. Option gave it a lousy review so you
know it is good.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:21:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Glenn Astarita <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: jonas hellborg
I posted my reply to Jeff was meant to reply to the list:
At 12:14 PM 4/21/97 -0400, Tom Pratt wrote:
>
>He's also done some Arabian things.
My favorite track on _Octave_ is an Arabic thing.
>Hellborg and John Maclaughlin. He's played in Mclaughlin's trio with
>Trilok Gurtu I think and was a member of Mahavishnu Orchestra I'm pretty
>sure. (please correct me if I'm wrong) He's from Sweden aqnd he's really
>fast and he's one of the best bassists I've ever heard.
Well his resume shows that he played with Mahavishnu but I haven't seen him
on any of their recordings.
Adventures in Radio Land, another titled "Mahavishnu" and 1 one other, but the
title escapes me...
>
>Hey Jeff! What did he do with Glen Velez. I love that guy. He added
>some neat stuff to Ned Rothenberg's "Power Lines" with Dave Douglas,
>Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander and others. check it out.
The CD is on Day Eight, and I can't remember the name but it is in Spanish,
I believe. There is some weird electronics on it, it is occasionally
almost in the "ambient" category. Option gave it a lousy review so you
know it is good.
Indeed a fine cd. Velez plays the frame drum and assorted "acoustic"
percussion while Hellborg mans the acoustic bass. no weird electonics.
glenn
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:37:34 -0400
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: jonas hellborg
Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> While I like Hellborg's playing on _The Word_, I think the project didn't
> quite come together as well as a lot of other Hellborg recordings. For
> whatever reasons, it sounds like Hellborg, the Quartet, and Williams are
> each playing their own thing.
>
It's probably both my least favorite Axiom release as well as my least
favorite Jonas record.
>
> Well his resume shows that he played with Mahavishnu but I haven't seen him
> on any of their recordings.
He plays on the 2 80's Mahavishnu records. One on WB - Mahavishnu and
one on Relitivity - Adventures in Radioland (on CD by verve) That was my
first experience with Jonas. Seeing him live, throwing his bass accross
the stage...
> >
> >Hey Jeff! What did he do with Glen Velez. I love that guy. He added
>
> The CD is on Day Eight, and I can't remember the name but it is in Spanish,
Ars Moriende. It's just fantasitc.
For Material heads, try to find Axis - It's got Anton, Bernie, Nicky and
more. It's an excellent album.
- -Sean
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:05:42 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Subject: Live Painkiller - Italy
Painkiller will be playing in Verona Italy on June 21. It will be at the
International Jazz Festival Verona.
NYC dates for Painkiller were cancelled.
Buy your airline tix now, you will get a better price.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:05:28 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Subject: More Laswell Live Shows
June 7, Frankfurt Transmutation Live at the International German Jazz
Festival. Derek Bailey on guitar, Bill Laswell, Invisible Scratch Pickles,
DJ Disk. This will be broadcast on German TV.
June 13, Brooklyn (NY) Anchorage. Praxis. Buckethead, Bill Laswell, DJ
Soul Slinger, DJ Disk.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:41:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: a rancid amoeba <rancid@best.com>
Subject: Re: Wayne Horvitz answers
>
> But isn't Tim/Kerr dead? I mean, that's usually what's implied when your
> company is taken over by a major (Mercury) and you fire your entire staff,
> isn't it? (Speaking as someone who had a friend among those who were
> unceremoniously dumped...) Patrice, you're the homeboy... get Thor on the
> phone and get to the heart of this for us.
>
Mercury broke the deal shortly after making it (like 6 or 9 months later).
Tim/Kerr is free again but they did lose a few bands in the process.
Although I cant't find one iota of hard proof to back my theory up, I
think Mercury made the deal with Tim/Kerr with the intentions of breaking
it soon after.
chanel
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:05:34 -0400
From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith)
Subject: Re: ?: Burt Bacharach double CD
>My first question: what's the name of this CD?
Various Artists: "Great Jewish Music - Burt Bacharach"
(It's my understanding that the whole series will be like this... the next
one will be "Great Jewish Music - Serge Gainsbourg")
And since someone else asked, the catalog number is TZA 7114-2
It's part of the Radical Jewish Culture series, of course.
SS
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:39:04 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Wayne Horvitz answers
On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:28:58 -0400 Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Patrice -
>
> >> 3. There's a new Pigpen album coming out on Tim/Kerr. There's also another
> >> project coming out on Intuition called Four Plus One Ensemble (the name may
> >> change) that's a full band (with second keyboardist and an on-stage sound
> >> processor) that apparently works in an avant-ish chamber style.
> >
> >Also coming out on T/K, a second Boodlers (E#, Fred Chalenor, Henry Franzoni
> >and Joe Trump).
>
> But isn't Tim/Kerr dead? I mean, that's usually what's implied when your
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You could reasonably believe that, but it does not seem to be the case (at
least it has not been officially announced).
> company is taken over by a major (Mercury) and you fire your entire staff,
> isn't it? (Speaking as someone who had a friend among those who were
> unceremoniously dumped...) Patrice, you're the homeboy... get Thor on the
> phone and get to the heart of this for us.
T/K got bought by Mercury and got dumped six months after. Officially, the
company is still running.
Getting Thor on the phone? There are people who would have more needs than
me to succeed at doing that :-).
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:31:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: john schott
>Has anyone picked up up the Schott album on Tzadik? With Ribot, Dunn,
>and Wolleson among others, it sounds like it would be quite good. Any
>thoughts/impressions of the album?
Like someone mentioned before, no Ribot on this disc, just Schott, Dunn,
Wollesen, and NY Metropolitan Opera tenor John Horton Murray.
Regardless, I find it masterful.
Schott, Dunn, and Wollesen provide instrumental accompanyment while Murray
sings and intones texts in German, Yiddish, and Hebrew. Those tracks are
separated by improvisations from the trio. The music is very intimate and
beautiful, more like 20th century classical than anything else to my
ears. Hard to believe this is the same John Schott who sings 'The Humpty
Dance' in concert with TJ Kirk. Yes. Quite baffling.
Another recommendation for a new record worth checking out (with the same
rhythm section, no less): 'Light At The Crossroads', a collection of music
for bass and Bb clarinets by Marty Ehrlich and Ben Goldberg (w/ Dunn &
Wollesen of course). All originals by the two leaders (except one tune by
Wayne Horvitz), quite a captivating listen.
All for now...
- -Tom
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:12:07 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: berne [UK radio]
There's an interview with Tim Berne on radio 3's "impressions"
programme, Sat. 26th. April.
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:20:24 +0000
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Filmworks IV
At 04:29 PM 4/21/97, Steve Smith wrote:
>Dwight Haden wrote:
>
>>I recently emailed Koch, asking when they would update their web
>>pages, and if they would start carrying DIW releases. What follows
>>is the response I got:
>>
>>>thanks for the note.
>>>postings are coming.
>>
>>Obviously, whoever's minding their web presence these days could give
>>a rat's ass.
>
>Nope, it's not the person who minds their web presence (who, like I was, is
>responsible for the publicity of the corporation and all of its classical
>labels, not to mention radio promotion of same) who doesn't give a rat's
>ass, but rather the company that employs him.
So, let me get this straight - Koch somehow forced their web minding
employee to provide me with a useless, non-answer to my simple question,
and it's not his fault. Instead of taking an extra 15 seconds to type
"yes, we will be carrying DIW" or "No, we won't", the poor overworked
employee could only spare time for the above. This is defensible?
Why bother to have an business email account if you only are able to
respond with glib, worthless, non-informative answers? It doesn't reflect
well on your business.
And, while we're on the subject of 'not reflecting well', won't you please
wish Mark Perlson at the Knit a hardy "thanks for nothing" from me. He
posted to the Zorn Digest in December, offering to mailorder Masada 7. I
responded with name/addr and credit info, as requested, but never heard back.
A follow-up email was also ignored. Even a "sorry, I changed my mind"
response would have been appreciated.
>>And, just to clear up some confusion, Tzadik released a bunch of stuff
>>in March that was not released here in the USA. Filmworks IV was
>>amoung several releases pushed back to April in the USA only. My guess
>>is that Koch is too busy or too poor to keep up with Tzadik's release
>>schedule.
>
>Neither... Koch just has very strict release schedules which have to do
>with very strict major record stores and their data entry pecadilloes, not
>to mention publication of the Koch release book. Basically there has to be
>a deadline and Tzadik just didn't make that one. It didn't bother anyone
>at Tzadik particularly (correct me if I'm wrong, D.), and most of us in the
>U.S. are used to having Europeans get discs before us anyway, aren't we?
So, Europe and Australia can get Tzadik releases on time because they don't
suffer from Koch's deadline limitations? I thought Tzadik was a DOMESTIC
(i.e. USA) label, so why should it's new releases go everywhere else first?
Well, I have answered my own question (posted previously) about where to
get DIW releases, and thankfully, it doesn't involve Koch:
I received Masada 7 and David S. Ware's Godspelized today from Birdland,
in Australia. Their website is
http://www.magna.com.au/~birdland/index.html
Cost was a little pricey, about $28.50 per disc, which includes shipping and
Aussie-to-US transaction fees. Well worth it, in my opinion. The discs
arrived in 6 days, in perfect condition.
Birdland carries what appears to be the complete DIW, Avant, and Tzadik
catalogs, in addition to many other fine jazz labels. Check them out!
For a less comprehensive selection, and slightly better price, you could
look at Cheap Thrills, in Montreal. Their website is
http://www.cam.org/~thrills/#catalogs
I've got the reissue of Masada 4 on order from them, can't vouch for
delivery speed or packaging yet.
And the cheapest place to get Avant/DIW/Tzadik discs mailorder in the US
is Forced Exposure, in Boston:
http://www.forcedexposure.com
Unfortunately, their DIW selection and most of their Avant titles are
limited to what's leftover from the good ol' Sphere Marketing days - They
just recently ran out of Masada and Naked City titles. But, FE does have
the new (and limited) Koch distributed Avant titles, at an increased price.
And they've got plenty of other interesting CD's.
I hope this information proves useful to some of you...
Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:20:14 BST
From: N Vassiliou <nv102@york.ac.uk>
Subject: amm
hallo
could anybody make any recomendations concerning AMM? There seem to be quite a lot of releases by
them around.
Thanks
Nick V
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:58:02 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: amm
>hallo
>could anybody make any recomendations concerning AMM? There seem to be
>quite a lot of releases by
>them around.
>Thanks
>Nick V
Isn't it a great world when there's too many AMM discs to coose from?
Seriously, I'd recommend any/all of them except for 2: The disc of duos
between Lou Gare and Eddie Prevost, which is not bad, but is much more
conventionally "jazz" than other AMM, and "It had been an ordinary enough
day in Pueblo, Colorado", on ECM/JAPO, on which Keith Rowe tries to imitate
a rock guitarist. Many people prefer their earlier recordings, I personally
like the more recent Tilbury/Rowe/Prevost trio, but all are pretty
essential. Also worth checking out is Keith Rowe's solo disc, "A Dimension
of Perfectly Ordinary Reality".
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
-Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:52:09 -0400
From: "R. Edward Stuart" <stuart@telerama.lm.com>
Subject: FS: Duck Baker plays the music of Herbie Nichols
For Sale:
Duck Baker plays the music of Herbie Nichols
on the Avant label. Will accept best offer.
Thanx,
Ed Stuart
stuart@telerama.lm.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:15:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matt Colonnese)
Subject: Re: amm
>hallo
>could anybody make any recomendations concerning AMM? There seem to be
>quite a lot of releases by
>them around.
>Thanks
>Nick V
It is difficult to narrow down the AMM choices than by more than half. The
releases are very temporally spread out, and they have substantially
different styles. Roughly AMM begin in 1966 with a droney, chaotic, noisey
(with wonderfull quiet sections too) sound consisting of percussion, sax,
treated guitar, cello/violin, and transistor radio. It becomes difficult
to tell what is what. All of AMM's music is unrelentingly abstract, but
unlike most "noise" artists, defined by some inner logic that becomes
apparent. Buy _AMMusic_ (recently rereleased with extra stuff, and the
cheapest AMM disk you'll find) for this era. There's also _The Crypt_, but
it's much more expensive.
AMM then have a number of duo disks which are good, but
unrepresentative. Then, after loosing Lou Gare (sax), and gaining John
Tilbury (piano) they begin parsing down the sound throughout the 80's and
90's. The radio begins disapearing (yeah!), and more focus is placed on
individual textures, silence, and chance occurances. They claim to be
pursuing this on the in the 60s, but it is more apparent in the 80's and
90's. I don't know a good 80's disk to recomend, but from the 90's_
Nameless Uncarved Block_ and _NewFoundland_ are both great.
If you are pretty sure you'll like AMM (have heard them before)
there is a recent 3cd set call _laminates_ with performances from 1968,
1983 (?? I think, I don't have it heare) and 1994. A good introduction,
but not cheap.
I personally love the later period AMM, which seems to me more
carefully thought out, more beautiful and sparce, as well as lacking in
much of the pop art schtick exemplified by the radio bits (which just
distract me form the great sound being produced). Newfoundland, NUB, and
the 1994 piece in Laminate are my favorites, but I haven't heard much of
the 80's material. The classic introduction is problably AMMusic though.
Much denser, and musical (if noisy drones are music) because more
instruments are playing at once. All of it is great stuff though.
If y'all like AMM check out Skullflower's VHF records "Carved into
Roses" and "this is Skullflower" to hear what a art-rock appropriation of
AMMusic sounds like.
happy hunting
ps, Jim O'Rourke write embarrasingly bad liner notes for Laminates and
recorded for Tzadik...see Zorn content.
- ------
"Finally, something that would bring people together...even if it kept them
apart, spatially."
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:43:49 -0800
From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy)
Subject: Lam's _Like Water_ (& John Schott note)
>Anybody got this? I saw it the other day
>and it looked interesting. What's it like?
I didn't immediately like it as much as Lam's Mountain Clear Water Remote
which came out on CRI
late in '96, but I know most of those pieces better, so that's not a slam
on Like Water.
I've only heard Like Water a couple, three times but each time I listen to
it, I like it more. It's a nice work, pretty, with some subtle timbral
colors, played very well by the Abel/Steinberg/Winant Trio.
& for those who may care, Lam was John Schott's composition teacher when he
studied at Cornish College in Seattle.
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:43:28 -0800
From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy)
Subject: Re: Filmworks IV
Uh, it's easy for all of us early adopters to keep it in mind, but there
still aren't many folks with online access (most estimates for the US claim
about 20%, with growth to a little less than 30% by the end of the century,
& in most other countries computer access is far less common).
One of the correlaries of this condition is that most businesses who make
their money from the non-virtual world, don't place a high priority on
keeping their Web sites current, etc. We can talk about how they're
shooting themselves in the foot, nearly extinct lemmings sure to die the
instant we can get the info from some other source that's hip to the
electronic sub-world we meet within, but they're just allocating time &
resources to those areas they know bring them money. Koch sells CDs to
stores who sell them to you. Their schedules and priorities are based on
that, not on the desires of a few hundred rabidly impatient Zorn fans.
It's great when there's a staff member who's willing to take the time to
keep the info flowing online (& let me add my name to the list of people
who've publicly acknowledged their appreciation for what Steve Smith did
when he was at Koch), but it's not often seen as necessary by the people
who cut the checks.
The online CD sellers you mention are quite good, but note that some of
them are often several weeks behind in updating the data bases at their
Websites as well. They're more responsive to e-mail cause they're (at
least in part) retail outlets.
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
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