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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #74
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Precedence:
zorn-list Digest Tuesday, April 8 1997 Volume 02 : Number 074
In this issue:
Re: Tony Buck/Peril(was Sample Artists?! ((WAS: Re: Otomo) (was Burroughs)))
Re: Tony Buck/Peril(was Sample Artists?! ((WAS: Re: Otomo) (was Burroughs)))
Re: Yamantaka EYE
Re: Tony Buck/Peril(was Sample Artists?! ((WAS: Re: Otomo) (was Burroughs)))
Avant Disk sale
Re: Yamantaka EYE
Re: Tony Buck/Peril(was Sample Artists?! ((WAS: Re: Otomo) (was Burroughs)))
Vandermark 5/ Jim O'Rourke
oops!
zorn/medeski martin and wood
Torture Garden
David Slusser
Eyvind Kang
Re: oops!
Re: Torture Garden
Re: oops!
A few things for sale.....
Marc Ribot
Re: zorn/medeski martin and wood
masada in nyc tonight (april 5)
Re: A few things for sale.....
Re: zorn/medeski martin and wood
Re:Marc Ribot
Re: A few things for sale.....
performance
Re: Torture Garden
"Ganryu Island"
MMW newbie offer closed
Re: "Ganryu Island"
wayne horvitz in sb
Z-Rock Hawaii
Masada 8
Re: Masada 8
Kneeslappin' John
Re: Kneeslappin' John
tzadick catalog?
Masada 4 in the USA
RE: Marc Ribot
Waits related Ribot
Re: Masada 8 and other DIWs
Re: Waits related Ribot
Greg Cohen (Was: "Waits related Ribot")
Re: Greg Cohen (Was: "Waits related Ribot")
Zorn article
Re: Greg Cohen (Was: "Waits related Ribot")
Re: Zony Mash
Re: Zony Mash
See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list
or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:05:44 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Tony Buck/Peril(was Sample Artists?! ((WAS: Re: Otomo) (was Burroughs)))
I think Tony Buck also has a solo disc (is it on sound factory, Hong Kong
label?). He did some solo gigs his last trip out here. This part of his
work, he uses one of those light-sensitive machines to trigger samples
(like Zbigniew Karkowski). As far as I know he's been doing work at Steim
in Holland, similar crazy stuff.
Oh, and there's meant to be a new disc by Buck's new band, Red Spiders, or
Little Red Spiders. I got no other details on this, but Stevie Wishart
(hurdy-gurdy player from Machine for Making Sense) is also on it. I think
this group is a quartet. If anyone knows about this - please lemme know.
Peril also have a new disc slated for release right about
now: "Astro". That'll be on Black Hole Records (Australia), I think. Dunno
if Otomo is on this, but it should be a pretty great thing in any case.
Cheers,
jim k
On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>
> > Lastly on this list is a question. I have a release from a group that goes
> > buy "Peril". It's on a label our of Australia called "Dr Jim's". Otomo
> > Yoshihide is on it and it's great. Do these 4 have anything else out.
>
> Although I've never heard Peril (unfortunately so), I know their drummer, Tony
> Buck, is also in a band called The Necks. However, The Necks' music is
> totally different - it is described best as jazz soundscapes, I guess.
> Ultra-long songs (in the range of 50-65 minutes), very laid back. I have two
> albums by them, "Sex" and "Silent Night" (2CD). "Sex" is a 56:08 steady bass
> pattern, underscored by shifting drums patterns and piano overlays. "Silent
> Night" adds some musique concrete and organ to it two tracks, called "Black"
> and "White".
>
> Frankco.
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:11:43 +0200
From: Stephane Vuilleumier <svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: Tony Buck/Peril(was Sample Artists?! ((WAS: Re: Otomo) (was Burroughs)))
Another of Tony Buck's activities is documented on the Kletka Red record
on Tzadik with Andy Ex from the Ex, the guitar player from (can't spell it
offhand) Nde Zhali, and a cool acoustic bass player I don't remember the name.
They gave concerts at the Taktlos festival last week - The first Basel
concert
was apparently better than the Zurich concert I went to.
Klezmer punk, with emphasis on guitar bass punk; the drum bits
I found very varied and interesting. Certainly not drowned in the noise
like the bass was.
No sampling there so getting off subject I guess
Stephane
At 18:05 04.04.97 +1000, jim k wrote:
>I think Tony Buck also has a solo disc (is it on sound factory, Hong Kong
>label?). He did some solo gigs his last trip out here. This part of his
>work, he uses one of those light-sensitive machines to trigger samples
>(like Zbigniew Karkowski). As far as I know he's been doing work at Steim
>in Holland, similar crazy stuff.
>
>Oh, and there's meant to be a new disc by Buck's new band, Red Spiders, or
>Little Red Spiders. I got no other details on this, but Stevie Wishart
>(hurdy-gurdy player from Machine for Making Sense) is also on it. I think
>this group is a quartet. If anyone knows about this - please lemme know.
>
>Peril also have a new disc slated for release right about
>now: "Astro". That'll be on Black Hole Records (Australia), I think. Dunno
>if Otomo is on this, but it should be a pretty great thing in any case.
>
>On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote:
>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>> > Lastly on this list is a question. I have a release from a group that
goes
>> > buy "Peril". It's on a label our of Australia called "Dr Jim's". Otomo
>> > Yoshihide is on it and it's great. Do these 4 have anything else out.
>>
>> Although I've never heard Peril (unfortunately so), I know their
drummer, Tony
>> Buck, is also in a band called The Necks. However, The Necks' music is
>> totally different - it is described best as jazz soundscapes, I guess.
>> Ultra-long songs (in the range of 50-65 minutes), very laid back. I have
two
>> albums by them, "Sex" and "Silent Night" (2CD). "Sex" is a 56:08 steady
bass
>> pattern, underscored by shifting drums patterns and piano overlays. "Silent
>> Night" adds some musique concrete and organ to it two tracks, called
"Black"
>> and "White".
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Stephane Vuilleumier
Mikrobiologisches Institut
ETH-Zurich Tel: (+41) 1 632 33 57
ETH-Zentrum/LFV Fax: (+41) 1 632 11 48
8092 Zurich email: svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch
Switzerland http://www.micro.biol.ethz.ch/sv1.htm
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:31:05 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Yamantaka EYE
On Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:35:55 +1000 (EST) James Douglas Knox wrote:
>
> Oh, unnh, do you know about the Eye/Otomo seven-inch record that came out
> with an issue of Resonance last year? I think it was issue 4/2: and it
> also had an interview with Otomo and a short essay by him. You can
> write the London Musician's Collective for a copy: S-mail @
> LMC
> The Leathermarket
> Leathermarket Street
> London SE1
> UK
For people interested, here is its detailed description:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
060 - RESONANCE 7": Otomo Yoshihide, Yamatsuka Eye
This "Special Japanese Issue!" of RESONANCE includes a free 7" single by
Otomo Yoshihide and Yamatsuka Eye.
1/ untitled
2/ untitled
3/ untitled
4/ untitled
5/ untitled
6/ untitled
7/ untitled
Recorded live in London, Spring 1995
Otomo Yoshihide: turntables, CD player, electric guitar; Yamatsuka Eye:
voice.
1996 - Resonance (UK), RES 4.2 (magazine + 7")
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:35:23 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Tony Buck/Peril(was Sample Artists?! ((WAS: Re: Otomo) (was Burroughs)))
On Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:05:44 +1000 (EST) James Douglas Knox wrote:
>
> I think Tony Buck also has a solo disc (is it on sound factory, Hong Kong
> label?). He did some solo gigs his last trip out here. This part of his
> work, he uses one of those light-sensitive machines to trigger samples
> (like Zbigniew Karkowski). As far as I know he's been doing work at Steim
> in Holland, similar crazy stuff.
>
> Oh, and there's meant to be a new disc by Buck's new band, Red Spiders, or
> Little Red Spiders. I got no other details on this, but Stevie Wishart
> (hurdy-gurdy player from Machine for Making Sense) is also on it. I think
> this group is a quartet. If anyone knows about this - please lemme know.
>
> Peril also have a new disc slated for release right about
> now: "Astro". That'll be on Black Hole Records (Australia), I think. Dunno
> if Otomo is on this, but it should be a pretty great thing in any case.
If we can trust the ad in THE WIRE, he is on it.
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:04:59 -0800
From: Mike Rizzi <rizzi@grin.net>
Subject: Avant Disk sale
The local (to me anyway) Jazz store Groove Yard is having a sale
on Avant and Black Saint compact discs, $11.98 and $9.98 respectively.
Also, a bunch of the DIW releases have the $11.98 price tag!
For you Bay Area folks, Groove Yard is located in Oakland at
4770 Telegraph Avenue (at 48th, duh)...I have no idea if they take
phone orders, but their number is 510.655.8400
I bought or saw the following discs
Art Ensemble of Chicago/Soweto
Arcana (Bailey, Laswell, Williams) - The Last Wave
John Zorn/Masada - Vav (Six)
John Zorn's Cobra - Tokyo Operations '94
Ikue Mori - Painted Desert
Disco Bhangra - Wedding Bands from Rajasthan
Anton Fier - Dreamspeed
Boredoms - Wow2
Fushitsusha
Anthony Coleman
David Soldier
Zeena Perkins
Jad Fair
Blind Idiot God
Rough Assemblage
Peter Garland
Chimera
This has been a public service from your truly,
mike
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:33:56 -0800 (PST)
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: Yamantaka EYE
PERNA8601@duq3.cc.duq.edu, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>eye and other boredoms members have been up to a lot actually...
>
>also- there is roumors of Hanatarash 5 being released (Hanatarash was
>eye's first band- now it is mostly eye in the studio himself).
Hanatarash has always been Eye solo. In the early days
there was another person listed on the records, but
his main role was to look scary. "Musically" it was/is
all eye's baby.
mike rizzi
- --
- ------------------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com
"Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=-
http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/
- ------ browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ---------
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 05:21:07 +0800
From: Jan-Wen Lu <janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw>
Subject: Re: Tony Buck/Peril(was Sample Artists?! ((WAS: Re: Otomo) (was Burroughs)))
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:05:44 +1000 (EST) James Douglas Knox wrote:
> >
> > I think Tony Buck also has a solo disc (is it on sound factory, Hong Kong
> > label?). He did some solo gigs his last trip out here. This part of his
> > work, he uses one of those light-sensitive machines to trigger samples
> > (like Zbigniew Karkowski). As far as I know he's been doing work at Steim
> > in Holland, similar crazy stuff.
As I know, Tony's "Solo live" CD is on Wright Reocrds(Australia).
> >
> > Oh, and there's meant to be a new disc by Buck's new band, Red Spiders, or
> > Little Red Spiders. I got no other details on this, but Stevie Wishart
> > (hurdy-gurdy player from Machine for Making Sense) is also on it. I think
> > this group is a quartet. If anyone knows about this - please lemme know.
> >
> > Peril also have a new disc slated for release right about
> > now: "Astro". That'll be on Black Hole Records (Australia), I think. Dunno
> > if Otomo is on this, but it should be a pretty great thing in any case.
>
> If we can trust the ad in THE WIRE, he is on it.
No, Otomo doesn't play on it. I asked a close friend of Otomo's who made the
"Japanese Free Improvisers" homepage(with Otomo's profile). He informed me
that Otomo said he didn't play on "Astro".
- --
Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:59:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Carlson <bcarlson@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Vandermark 5/ Jim O'Rourke
Vandermark 5 and Jim O'Rourke are playing at the Empty Bottle in Chicago
tonight. It is a record release party for Vandermark 5's new album Single
Piece Flow. Is anyone here going?
Brian
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 23:19:37 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: oops!
I asked about tape traders out there yesterday and I've been informed by
a few that it is a bad subject to bring up here. I understand that Zorn
is thoroughly anti-taping because he has had problems with people making
money off of bootlegging his shows. I am sorry for bringing it up
here... won't happen again.
-Tom Pratt
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:42:00 -0500
From: jonathan kaye <jk@interactive.net>
Subject: zorn/medeski martin and wood
for all you completists out there (and aren't all of you), i found a
medeski martin and wood cd single today with a remix by dj logic of their
"dracula" on which zorn plays alto. he plays throughout almost the entire
track, some of his squawking in the beginning and some more fluid playing
throughout the middle of the track. i found the disk used for $2.99.
info: modeski martin and wood - "bubblehouse"
1. bubblehouse
2. bubblehouse bbq mix (remixed by we/dj olive, loop, once 11)
3. dracula remix (remixed by dj logic, alto sax john zorn)
4. macha
5. spy kiss (10:00 pm whr. r. your chldrn mix - remixed by we/dj olive,
loop, once 11)
jon
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 18:12:57 +0200
From: NGUYEN VAN TAN Olivier <onvt@micronet.fr>
Subject: Torture Garden
Hi,
Sorry to ask this again but :
If I have Naked City, Grand Guignol and Naked City, Naked City :
do I have all the songs from Torture Garden from the black box ??
(I already saw the zornography by Patrice and I think so : am I right ??)
Thanks
Olivier
ps: Masada in France, next tuesday !!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 08:20:22 -0800
From: shane@edu.advantage.com (Tince Timinchine)
Subject: David Slusser
Might anyone be able to tell me what the hell the 'slussomatic' is?
It was listed as one of the apparati used by David Slusser himself on
Eyvind Kang's "7 NADEs"--which, by the way, is an absolutely *phenomenal*
album.
....Shane
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 12:01:27 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Eyvind Kang
Tince Timinchine wrote:
>
> Might anyone be able to tell me what the hell the 'slussomatic' is?
> It was listed as one of the apparati used by David Slusser himself on
> Eyvind Kang's "7 NADEs"--which, by the way, is an absolutely *phenomenal*
> album.
>
> ....Shane
I've been eying that one for a while. I'm only familiar with Eyvind Kang
through Bill Frisell's 'Quartet' album but I love violin. Could you give
a little insight as to what it sounds like and who plays on it. Is it
coherent and written or mostly free?
-Tom Pratt
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:31:29 -0800 (PST)
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: oops!
Tom Pratt, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>I asked about tape traders out there yesterday and I've been informed by
>a few that it is a bad subject to bring up here. I understand that Zorn
ummm, excuse me? There is no such policy on this
mailing list. Let me repeat, there is NO RULE
prohibiting tape trading discussions on the
zorn-list.
As a long time denizen of the Internet, I am
adamantly opposed to content censorship. Free
flow of ideas, even ones some subscribers may
not agree with (like tape trading), are essential.
What most disturbs me is that some spineless
soul decided to annoint THEMSELVES zorn-list
content police (and we all know that's my job!
....that's a joke, son) and privately tell
you that it is offtopic.
If someone dislikes tape trading, they can
express and discuss it PUBLICLY with the entire
list (as has been done in the past).
>is thoroughly anti-taping because he has had problems with people making
>money off of bootlegging his shows. I am sorry for bringing it up
>here... won't happen again.
There is no reason for you to be sorry.
mike rizzi
zorn-list-owner-maintainer-and-opinionated-motherfucker
...now where did I put that pot of coffee
- --
- ------------------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com
"Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=-
http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/
- ------ browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ---------
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 09:42:54 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Torture Garden
On Sat, 5 Apr 1997 18:12:57 +0200 NGUYEN VAN TAN Olivier wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry to ask this again but :
>
> If I have Naked City, Grand Guignol and Naked City, Naked City :
> do I have all the songs from Torture Garden from the black box ??
>
Yes! And if you have LENG T'CHE, you have no reasons left to buy the
box.
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 13:05:02 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: oops!
> What most disturbs me is that some spineless
> soul decided to annoint THEMSELVES zorn-list
> content police (and we all know that's my job!
> ....that's a joke, son) and privately tell
> you that it is offtopic.
Nobody annointed themselves zorn-list police. A few people nicely
suggested their opinions on tape trading and informed me that it was a
touchy subject here with some people.
> If someone dislikes tape trading, they can
> express and discuss it PUBLICLY with the entire
> list (as has been done in the past).
I think these few people wanted to avoid this. Apparently there have
been L O N G discussions about this.
-Tom Pratt
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:03:11 -0500 (EST)
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: A few things for sale.....
Little Nighttown Music
PO Box 25392
Cleveland OH 44125
USA
E-mail: Tag Yr It@AOL.COM
Greetings,
I have a few items for sale that may be of interest to some of you on the
list.....
Item Number/Artist/Title/Condition/Other Information/Price:
9347/CD/Golden Palominos/A Dead Horse/M-/M-/Celluloid CELCD 6138/$15.00
9532/CD/Golden Palominos/same/M-/M-/Celluloid CELD 5002/$25.00
9529/CD/Material/Temporary Music (1979 - 1981)/M-/M-/Celluloid CELD
5101/$15.00
9544/CD/Material/Temporary Music (1979 - 1981)/M-/M-/Restless 72662-2/$15.00
9531/CD/Material - Bill Laswell/Baselines/M-/M-/Celluloid CELD 5505/$20.00
9346/CD/Zorn, John - Old/Lo Flux Tube/M-/M-/Relativity/Earache
88561-1094-2/$15.00
If youÆre interested in any of the above items, please contact me by mail or
email, including where you are (for postage costs), and IÆll reply with
availability and shipping details.
Thanks!
Dale.
P.S.: Want-lists are graciously welcome!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 14:27:21 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Marc Ribot
I'm looking to get into some Marc Ribot. I owned "Rootless
Cosmopolitans" a while back but got rid of it because I didn't like it.
I've got him on the Lounge Lizards's 'Voice of Chunk' and 'No Pain For
Cakes' where I think he's all right. I really like him on Zorn's 'Bar
Kokhba' and I've heard what he did with Zorn's Masada live w/Medeski and
Martin. I've heard him live with People Who Only Need a Beat or
something like that and found it interesting. I have been told over and
over that he is awesome... and unbelievable guitarist and all sorts of
stuff but I have yet to find anything out by Marc Ribot that has really
impressed me. Does anybody have any suggestions? ...or is what I've
heard a pretty fair representation of what he does? How is 'Shoe String
Symphonette'?
-Tom Pratt
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:42:55 -0500
From: jonathan kaye <jk@interactive.net>
Subject: Re: zorn/medeski martin and wood
>> info: modeski martin and wood - "bubblehouse"
>>
>> 1. bubblehouse
>> 2. bubblehouse bbq mix (remixed by we/dj olive, loop, once 11)
>> 3. dracula remix (remixed by dj logic, alto sax john zorn)
>> 4. macha
>> 5. spy kiss (10:00 pm whr. r. your chldrn mix - remixed by we/dj olive,
>> loop, once 11)
>
>Wow! What a surprise! I almost thought it was an April fool :-).
>
>Could you answer few more questions:
>
> - what is the label?
> - when was it released?
> - what is the catalog number?
> - has this piece (DRACULA) been released on a regular CD?
>
> Thanks a lot for mentioning this surprising record,
>
> Patrice.
the disk is on rykodisk, catalog #GCD5-1001
i can't tell you any of the other info you requested because i'm not sure.
i've wanted to check out mmw for a while now but just never have and when i
saw this in the store it was the price and the fact that zorn was on it
that made me buy it. the store i bought it from sells some of the review
copies they receive and most often they're put out for sale soon after
release, so my guess is that it was just released. not to state the
obvious, but since dracula is a "remix" it must have appeared somewhere
before.
jon
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:48:43 -0500
From: jonathan kaye <jk@interactive.net>
Subject: masada in nyc tonight (april 5)
this is from this week's "new york press" picks of the week list:
"John Zorn's Masada
Finally Zorn's Ornette Klezmer Jewish music revival band performs on a New
York bima, opening a new series of concerts in the EV's beautiful little
Synagog Space. Masada starts with the solemn intensity of ancient chants
and extrapolates all the way up to a prehistoric bacchanal, reminding us
that historically, religious fervor was far more sexy than deadly. Starts
at 7:30. 108 E. 1st St. (btw. 1st Ave & Ave. A) 254-8681."
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 11:53:20 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: A few things for sale.....
On Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:03:11 -0500 (EST) TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
>
> Little Nighttown Music
Are you a store or record business?
> PO Box 25392
> Cleveland OH 44125
> USA
> E-mail: Tag Yr It@AOL.COM
>
> Greetings,
>
> I have a few items for sale that may be of interest to some of you on t
he
> list.....
>
> Item Number/Artist/Title/Condition/Other Information/Price:
>
> 9347/CD/Golden Palominos/A Dead Horse/M-/M-/Celluloid CELCD 6138/$15.00
> 9532/CD/Golden Palominos/same/M-/M-/Celluloid CELD 5002/$25.00
^^^^^^^^^^
How can you ask $25 for that one?
> 9529/CD/Material/Temporary Music (1979 - 1981)/M-/M-/Celluloid CELD
> 5101/$15.00
> 9544/CD/Material/Temporary Music (1979 - 1981)/M-/M-/Restless 72662-2/$15.00
> 9531/CD/Material - Bill Laswell/Baselines/M-/M-/Celluloid CELD 5505/$20.00
Same question...
> 9346/CD/Zorn, John - Old/Lo Flux Tube/M-/M-/Relativity/Earache
> 88561-1094-2/$15.00
>
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 15:18:15 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: zorn/medeski martin and wood
This was just released (actually I think the release date was April 8
which is confusing me right now). "Dracula" appears on MMW's new album
on Gramavision called 'Shack-Man'. Actaully all those songs are remixes
from it (except "Bubblehouse", which is the studio version, and "Macha"
which is studio but only appeared on the Japanese version of 'Shack-Man'
for some reason) If you're just getting into MMW or haven't yet, I would
recommend 'Friday Afternoon In The Universe' because it kicks much more
ass than 'Shack-Man'.
I'll offer the first 2 MMW newbies to respond an analog dub of a 180
min. show that kicks ass (10/22/95 @ Fox Theater-Boulder, CO) for blanks
and postage (don't worry, they allow taping). Adios!
-Tom Pratt
-Tom Pratt
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:01:54 -0500
From: "Walter M. Young" <waltwhy@mail2.nai.net>
Subject: Re:Marc Ribot
My favorite context for Ribot's work is on Tom Waits' albums. Try =
"Swordfish Trombone" or "Rain Dogs". It's like Beat poetry set to =
demented circus music. It is open enough for Ribot's guitar to emerge =
as a dark and sinewy contrast to Waits' gruff vocals.=20
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 97 14:42:33 -0700
From: Frank D Malczewski <malczews@pogo.den.mmc.com>
Subject: Re: A few things for sale.....
Some of these are going for cut-out prices around here (which are
rather high at about $10...)
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:49:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Peter Cline <pmc7288@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: performance
Ok, I'm about to shamelessly promote myself
Tonight at the spiral (244 E. Houston St. NYC) a band called Stoled Boat
(of
which I am a part) will be playing at 1 am. SO if anyone feels like
coming by after catching Masada's performance on 1st st., conveniently
located nearby, please do.
We basically do free improv, some acoustic stuff, a few really silly
songs. Lots of horn blowing, loud guitars, even my 14 yr. old brother
playing acoustic bass on our rendition of Take the A Train!
Oh yeah, Roy Nathanson might be in the audience. He told me he would
"give it shot" when I invited him to the show.
Ok, I'm through with the advertising. BTW, show is 6 bucks and part of
NYU's Independent music festival.
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 19:34:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Subject: Re: Torture Garden
> Yes! And if you have LENG T'CHE, you have no reasons left to buy the
> box.
Is Heretic or Absinthe not in the box?
Matt
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Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 08:59:09 -0400
From: peter tush <ptush@arts.usf.edu>
Subject: "Ganryu Island"
I believe that I purchased "Ganryu Island," an collaboration between
Zorn and Michihiro Sato, when it came out in 1984. I still find it to be
a great album to go back to, offering some of the intensity of "Classic
Guide to Strategy" mixed with the beautiful, slightly sour shamisen
playing of Sato. I was just wondering if anyone has heard if Tzadik has
plans to reissue it. I have heard that the great 18 minute "Godard"
piece will be reissued sometime, but nothing about "Ganryu Island." Any
info would be appreciated.
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Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 01:55:48 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: MMW newbie offer closed
I've found my newbies. subject says it all.
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 12:12:50 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: "Ganryu Island"
On Sun, 06 Apr 1997 08:59:09 -0400 peter tush wrote:
>
> I believe that I purchased "Ganryu Island," an collaboration between
> Zorn and Michihiro Sato, when it came out in 1984. I still find it to be
> a great album to go back to, offering some of the intensity of "Classic
> Guide to Strategy" mixed with the beautiful, slightly sour shamisen
> playing of Sato. I was just wondering if anyone has heard if Tzadik has
> plans to reissue it. I have heard that the great 18 minute "Godard"
> piece will be reissued sometime, but nothing about "Ganryu Island." Any
> info would be appreciated.
Never heard any plans to reissue it. I agree, a very great early Zorn
record.
Patrice.
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Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 15:38:05 -0700
From: Josh Miller <jomi3605@resnet.ucsb.edu>
Subject: wayne horvitz in sb
for all those in the santa barbara, california area, wayne horvitz is
playing this thursday, april 10 at emerald city (110 santa barbara st).
does anybody know any of the particulars of this gig, like who he's
playing with...?
thanks
josh miller
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:54:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: PERNA8601@duq3.cc.duq.edu
Subject: Z-Rock Hawaii
there has been a lot of talk about Eye on the list lately, so its
probably not wholly inappropriate to mention this here.
Z-Rock Hawaii is a collaboration between Ween and most of the members of
Boredoms. it just came out, so if there's anyone who wants to know more
about it i've set up a page for it w/ info on the songs and some audio
samples. the url is: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/8908
however i warn anyone attempting to view it that geocities has been a bit
screwy lately, sometimes the addresses aren't working. my page is there,
however, i assure you. if you get the "file not found" page, try back later.
thanks,
- -anthony
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 04:57:27 +0000
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Masada 8
I just heard a rumour that Masada 8 is out in Japan.
Can anyone confirm?
Also, does anyone know how to get recent DIW releases
here in the good ol' USA these days? Like Masada 7 or
the reissue of Masada 4?
Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 01:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Masada 8
In a message dated 4/7/97 1:24:39 AM, dhaden@worldnet.att.net (Dwight Haden)
wrote:
<<Also, does anyone know how to get recent DIW releases
here in the good ol' USA these days? Like Masada 7 or
the reissue of Masada 4?>>
Or David Ware-Godspelized or James Ulmer's new record of Ornette tunes? I'd
love to know the answer to this also.
Jon
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 03:48:24 -0800
From: shane@edu.advantage.com (Tince Timinchine)
Subject: Kneeslappin' John
Y'know, the more familiar I get with John Zorn, the more positively
sure I am that he's laughing at us.
You gotta love the man; after all, we do what we can!
....Shane
P.S. Consider for a moment the possibility that we are his medium;
not his music. From that stance, the music would then, in turn, be his
tool. The final product, us, would be brought around in full by our
reaction to it. Do you know what I mean?
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 08:52:36 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Kneeslappin' John
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 03:48:24 -0800 Tince Timinchine wrote:
>
>
> Y'know, the more familiar I get with John Zorn, the more positively
> sure I am that he's laughing at us.
Don't take you case for a generality :-).
> You gotta love the man; after all, we do what we can!
>
> ....Shane
>
> P.S. Consider for a moment the possibility that we are his medium;
> not his music. From that stance, the music would then, in turn, be his
> tool. The final product, us, would be brought around in full by our
> reaction to it. Do you know what I mean?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
More urgent question: do you really understand what you are saying?
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:51 EST
From: RICHARAW@alfredtech.edu
Subject: tzadick catalog?
where can i get a copy of this?
adam
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:02:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Howard Shih <howards@meta4dd.com>
Subject: Masada 4 in the USA
Just picked up Masada 7 this weekend and am loving it to death. Bacharach
is lotsa fun!
Was just curious if anyone has seen or knows of any stores in the US
w/Masada 4. I know that Depth Charge (and maybe one or two other stores)
in the UK have Masada 4 in stock but I'd prefer getting it in the US for
obvious reasons.
thanks for the info.
Howard Shih
howards@m4dd.com
Programmer/Analyst
Meta 4 Digital Design
Phone: 201-597-1720 Ext. 242
FAX: 201-597-1730
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:30:11 -0400
From: "Walter M. Young" <waltwhy@mail2.nai.net>
Subject: RE: Marc Ribot
Sorry for the inaccurate post. I should have checked the liner notes =
before posting my message. Ribot only plays on Rain Dogs. The albums =
are very similar stylistically and I generally think of them as sister =
albums and thus assumed the same line up of musicians. It is a =
tremendous album even without Ribot. Ribot does contribute to a number =
of songs on Frank's Wild Years though.
- ----------
From: Patrice L. Roussel[SMTP:proussel@ichips.intel.com]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 1997 12:09 PM
To: Walter M. Young
Cc: proussel@ichips.intel.com
Subject: Re: Marc Ribot=20
> My favorite context for Ribot's work is on Tom Waits' albums. Try =3D
> "Swordfish Trombone" or "Rain Dogs". It's like Beat poetry set to =3D
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this a Tom Waits record featuring Marc Ribot?
> demented circus music. It is open enough for Ribot's guitar to emerge =
=3D
> as a dark and sinewy contrast to Waits' gruff vocals.=3D20
If yes, would it be possible to give me its detailed description?
Thanks,
Patrice.
PS: I have been working on a Marc Ribot discography which is getting =
huge!
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim McLoughlin <jm8w@watt.seas.virginia.edu>
Subject: Waits related Ribot
Hi Everybody! ;^}
In addition to "Rain dogs" and "Franks Wild Years", Ribot also
plays on most of the live Tom Waits album "Big Time" (I'm pretty certain).
Greg Cohen plays bass on one or two of the "Rain Dogs" tracks,
John Lurie plays sax on one. Also, in a benefit concert Waits did a
year and a half ago, Greg Cohen played bass, Kenny Wollesen played drums
and strange percussion, and Joe Gore played guitar. Just thought I'd
mention that in case people were interested.
I'm, like, outta here and stuff.
- --
Jim McLoughlin
jm8w@virginia.edu
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:45:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Masada 8 and other DIWs
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> Or David Ware-Godspelized or James Ulmer's new record of Ornette tunes? I'd
> love to know the answer to this also.
A batch of DIWs turned up at my local record store about a week and a half
ago. I don't remember if the David Ware was included; the others here
were not. According to the owner, the new Ulmer record is being issued at
domestic prices on Koch at the end of April. I don't know if this is
happening with any of the others.
cjh
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 21:08:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Cline <pmc7288@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: Waits related Ribot
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Jim McLoughlin wrote:
> Hi Everybody! ;^}
>
> In addition to "Rain dogs" and "Franks Wild Years", Ribot also
> plays on most of the live Tom Waits album "Big Time" (I'm pretty certain).
>
> Greg Cohen plays bass on one or two of the "Rain Dogs" tracks,
> John Lurie plays sax on one. Also, in a benefit concert Waits did a
> year and a half ago, Greg Cohen played bass, Kenny Wollesen played drums
> and strange percussion, and Joe Gore played guitar. Just thought I'd
> mention that in case people were interested.
>
Greg Cohen is also featured on The Black Rider.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 21:11:37 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Greg Cohen (Was: "Waits related Ribot")
> Greg Cohen plays bass on one or two of the "Rain Dogs" tracks,
> John Lurie plays sax on one. Also, in a benefit concert Waits did a
> year and a half ago, Greg Cohen played bass, Kenny Wollesen played...
Where else can Greg Cohen be found other than Masada stuff? He's a very
lovely and lyrical bassist with a very soft and clear tone. I'd like to
find more.
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 21:23:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Cohen (Was: "Waits related Ribot")
> Where else can Greg Cohen be found other than Masada stuff? He's a very
> lovely and lyrical bassist with a very soft and clear tone. I'd like to
> find more.
Greg Cohen produced and plays on Laurie Anderson's latest full-release,
titled <Bright Red>. Joey Baron also plays most of the percussion on this
record. I consider it one of Laurie's best, so it's worth the buy if
you've never heard her stuff.
Matthew Ross Davis
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:54:48 -0500
From: jhale@cycor.ca (James Hale)
Subject: Zorn article
You might want to check out an article on Zorn by Art Lange that's posted
on the new Jazz Journalists Association site
<www.jazzhouse.org/library.html>. There's even a comment function so we can
get some dialogue going about it.
One of the things we're trying to do with the JJA is break down some of the
perceived and realistic barriers between critics and listeners. So feel
free to jump in...
James Hale
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:28:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: JoLaMaster@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greg Cohen (Was: "Waits related Ribot")
For some choice Greg Cohen playing (and many other greats such as
Frisell/Vernon Reed duo, Dr. John, Chuck D., Henry Rollins, Elvis
Costello...VERY eclectic mix o folks, eh?) check out the Hal Willner produced
"Weird Nightmare" featuring the songs and poems of Charles Mingus, and the
instruments of Harry Partch. An essential album!!
Jonathan LaMaster
Unsound Music Productions and
The Boston Creative Music Alliance
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:30:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: Zony Mash
James L. Kirchmer, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>Nils Jacobson <ngjacobs@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
>
>> I don't know why anyone would get all that excited about this Zony Mash
>> disc. It's not particularly forward looking and succeeds fairly well but
>> not spectacularly musically.
>
>Why? Because it's not a wanker fest? or a noise fest? or?
>Moreover, how is it not "forward looking"?
>This is nebulous territory......
>
>Go see the band live if you can.(April tour) I think the musical
I saw them live at the OK Hotel opening for
David Thomas and found them to be pretty
boring. Of course, I have no comment on
the "forward looking" thang...just didn't
float my boat.
>Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net> wrote:
>Moreover, comparing Medeski to Wayne is like comparing "dildoes" to
>test tubes. ;)
beautiful ! This is the style of writing I'd
expect from the zorn-list. You rock.
cheers,
mike
- --
- ------------------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com
"Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=-
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 16:42:15 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Zony Mash
On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:30:58 -0700 (PDT) m. rizzi wrote:
>
> James L. Kirchmer, demi-God and Icon sez:
> >
> >Nils Jacobson <ngjacobs@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know why anyone would get all that excited about this Zony Mash
> >> disc. It's not particularly forward looking and succeeds fairly well but
> >> not spectacularly musically.
> >
> >Why? Because it's not a wanker fest? or a noise fest? or?
> >Moreover, how is it not "forward looking"?
> >This is nebulous territory......
> >
> >Go see the band live if you can.(April tour) I think the musical
>
> I saw them live at the OK Hotel opening for
> David Thomas and found them to be pretty
> boring. Of course, I have no comment on
> the "forward looking" thang...just didn't
> float my boat.
I saw them Sunday night and they were great.
To go back with the comparison with MM&W:
Why do we need to compare players of the B-3 organ on a one-dimension
scale (and rate them accordingly)? I have been following the thread with
some amazement: is there already a B-3 competition at the Olympic Games?
I have been listening to Wayne for more than ten years and consider myself
as fairly well acquainted with his style. What he does with Zony Mash
fits perfectly well with what he has done previously with the B-3, and
the songs are definitely his (with few exceptions). Hence my surprise to
see him being implicitely presented as a poor imitator of MM&W.
> >Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net> wrote:
> >Moreover, comparing Medeski to Wayne is like comparing "dildoes" to
> >test tubes. ;)
>
> beautiful ! This is the style of writing I'd
> expect from the zorn-list. You rock.
Rizzi seems to have some fun :-).
Patrice.
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