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Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #65
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zorn-list Digest Wednesday, 26 February 1997 Volume 02 : Number 065
In this issue:
Re: Torture Garden etc
Re: Butch Morris CD's
Re: I'm new
Re: Butch Morris
Re: Butch Morris
filmworks
Re: Torture Garden etc
Re: Torture Garden etc
Re: Torture Garden etc
Re: Torture Garden etc
Re: recommendations
Re: Torture Garden etc
show (fwd)
show (fwd)
time signatures
Tony Williams
Re: Tony Williams
Re: Tony Williams
Re: Torture Garden etc
Re: Torture Garden etc
Re: Tony Williams
Re: Tony Williams
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From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:08:42 -0800
Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc
At 08:29 AM 2/25/97 +0000, Scott Russell wrote:
>The tape & lp versions of torture garden only have half the songs that
>the cd t.g. does. Grand Guignol has the supplemental tracks. The
>gangster album has some, but not all of the additional tracks.
>
>Patrice
>
>Regarding the above comment,I'm a little confused about the thrash
>tracks that make up Naked City/Torture Garden/Grand Guignol.
I'm a little confused too. My copy of _Grand Guignol_ does not have all
the tracks that my (CD) copy of _Torture Garden_ has, yet some people have
said that all of _TG_ appears on _GG_.
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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:10:52 -0800
Subject: Re: Butch Morris CD's
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:30:31 +0800 Jan-Wen Lu wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been trying very hard to find Butch Morris' "Current Trends In Racism
> In Modern America" and "Homeing" CD's. Both released by Sound Aspect Sound
> in Germany. Does anyone know where to mail-order them? Or they were out of
> print? Thanks.
I have not seen CURRENT TRENDS... in ages and I guess it is out of print.
Concerning HOMEING, I bought my copy six months ago at Tower (although it
was the Tower on Piccadilly Circus :-). My guess is that it is still around.
Patrice.
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From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:48:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: I'm new
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 martinj@SONOMA.EDU wrote:
> The tape & lp versions of torture garden only have half the songs that the
> cd t.g. does. Grand Guignol has the supplemental tracks. The gangster
> album has some, but not all of the additional tracks.
The LP version of _Torture Garden_ has 42 pieces. _Grand Guignol_
includes 33 of these plus "Grand Guignol" and the covers, with no
additional material. The remaining nine tracks from the _Torture Garden_
LP are on _Naked City_; they're the nine tracks clocking under a minute
each. Are you saying that the _Torture Garden_ CD contains some of the
more measured (one minute+) performances from _Naked City_? Does the
_Torture Garden_ CD really have over 80 songs?
Confused in Pittsburgh
------------------------------
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:32:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Butch Morris
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Scott Russell wrote:
> Can anyone tell me anything about TESTAMENT: A CONDUCTION COLLECTION
> by Lawrence "Butch" Morris. This is a 10 disc set of Morris conducting
> various ensembles. I know very little about his music but feel I would
> enjoy it based on the ensembles listed.
I haven't heard this one either, but according to the 3rd edition of the
_Penguin Guide_ there are plans to release the discs separately.
Chris Hamilton
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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:29:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Butch Morris
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:32:00 -0500 (EST) Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Scott Russell wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me anything about TESTAMENT: A CONDUCTION COLLECTION
> > by Lawrence "Butch" Morris. This is a 10 disc set of Morris conducting
> > various ensembles. I know very little about his music but feel I would
> > enjoy it based on the ensembles listed.
>
> I haven't heard this one either, but according to the 3rd edition of the
> _Penguin Guide_ there are plans to release the discs separately.
This has already be done. They started to sell them separately 4-6 months
ago (in the US at least).
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:09:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: filmworks
I know there was a list put out semi-recently on this, but I
forgot. When are filmworks 3 & 4 schedueled for release?
j
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From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:44:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc
A little trivia about Torture Garden - Zorn says that the album is his
version of the Webern "Bagatelles".
MRD
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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:54:28 -0800
Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:44:12 -0500 Matthew Ross Davis wrote:
>
> A little trivia about Torture Garden - Zorn says that the album is his
> version of the Webern "Bagatelles".
He might have been thinking of:
BAGATELLES POUR UN MASSACRE by Louis Ferdinand Celine...
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:02:34 -0800
Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:57:58 -0500 Matthew Ross Davis wrote:
>
> >He might have been thinking of:
> >
> > BAGATELLES POUR UN MASSACRE by Louis Ferdinand Celine...
>
> :-)
In fact a very bad joke... I should be ashamed of me.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:57:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc
>He might have been thinking of:
>
> BAGATELLES POUR UN MASSACRE by Louis Ferdinand Celine...
:-)
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m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland
http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music
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From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:00:11 -0500
Subject: Re: recommendations
>No no no. I really kick myself for not getting it yet (and do it once
>again, excuse me for a sec... outch!) I really liked Messien (sp?) at one
>time (still do) and I'm very interested to hear their version.
Gotcha! I sympathise with you. Ah yes, it's quite good (Messiaen). The work
they do on there is from a larger piece by him titled "Quatuor pour la fin
du temps" (Quartet for the End of Time) which Messiaen wrote while in a
concentration camp. It's scored for Violin, Cello, Piano, and Clarinet;
these were the players who were available to Messiaen at the camp when they
let him give a performance. Supposedly, one of the string instruments was
missing a string and the piano was very badly out of tune at its world
premiere!
Good luck on getting GG back on your list, and then off again. My list is
well over a few hundred now myself!
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m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland
http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music
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From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:07:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc
>> > BAGATELLES POUR UN MASSACRE by Louis Ferdinand Celine...
>>
>> :-)
>
>In fact a very bad joke... I should be ashamed of me.
Eh, not that bad. I liked it!
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From: Bob Boster <boster@mills.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:14:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: show (fwd)
hello all, a couple show announcements headed your way...
- ------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Rosenberg's Pocket Opera (working title)
SF Art Institute, 800 Chestnut, SF, CA
Thursday Feb. 27, 1997 8:00 PM FREE
Scott's heroic run of local shows continues with a work for spoken word,
and improvised music which features Mills' types: Matt Ingalls, Brian
Pearson, Cheryl Leonard, Richard Miller, and Bob Boster, along with other
members of the Bay Area improvisational community. The piece moves the
texture and dynamism of Scott's instrumental compositions and
improvisation into a balanced relationship with the written word to
exciting effect... Q&A to follow the performance.
Please forward to all appropriate persons/lists. Thanks.
- ----------------------===---------------====------------------==-------
Bob Boster (aka Mr. Meridies)
boster@ella.mills.edu boster@email.unc.edu
friction@pobox.com
PO Box 9383 Oakland, CA 94613 510-655-8636
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From: Bob Boster <boster@mills.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:14:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: show (fwd)
arent you through yet? a concert of acoustic music
presented by friction media and 2779
Thursday, March 6th 8pm at 2779 (formerly Komotion)
16th St and Folsom, SF, CA. $3 requested donation.
Info: 510-655-8636 or email: friction@pobox.com
Bringing together composers, conceptualists, songwriters,
and improvisers for an evening of blurring genre boundaries.
featuring new works by:
A.L. Dentel
Cheryl Leonard
kristi metal
Bob Boster
Scott Rosenberg
Tim White
along with performers:
Adrienne Waterman
Ian Davis
Jessica Courtier
Aurora
Brian Pearson
Matt Ingalls
Elizabeth Gray
More information about composers below. Please forward to all appropriate
persons/lists. Thanks.
This concert is the second in a series of collaborations between Friction
Media and 2779 (the collective club/studio formerly known as Komotion).
The first, momentum, focused on electronic music, and brought out artists
and audience from a variety of backgrounds to examine a wide range of
styles.
aren't you through yet? looks at acoustic music (although there may be
some stretching of this boundary) with the same interest in breaking
through genre limitations as momentum. This informal concert brings a
range of styles together rarely seen in either academic or popular
venues, but all the work is linked by a strong sense of individual vision
and iconoclasm. Below is a brief description of the composers and/or
their work....
A.L. Dentel presents a piece from her magnum opus, 365. This collection
of daily pieces from the last 12 months ranges from the highly conceptual
to excruciatingly detailed notated pieces. Her offering for this concert,
"9/17/96 - Ritual" is for nonpianist: Adrienne Waterman and
nonclarinetist, Aurora.
Cheryl Leonard's work has earned her acclaim and interest (including a
1996 Bay Area Award from New Langton Arts), whether electronic, acoustic,
or both. Cheryl is active in the Bay Area improvisational community, a
member of the 23-five collective (a Bay Area noise label), a participant
in the underground experimental rock band Caroliner, and presented a piece
at last years Seamus conference.
kristi metal moves back and forth across a spectrum of personal expression
from performance art to singer/songwriter material and various places in
between, all powerfully drawn from her life experience, and all involving
voice and movement. kristi also uses piano and other sound sources, and
always challenges the audience, in some way, to see inside her life.
Bob Boster is the local representative of the Friction Media collective
(see below for details) and actively performing electronic music as Mr.
Meridies. This piece, "Obfuscation", written for two interwoven
ensembles, one of pitched instruments and another of percussion, focuses
on "covering" and "being hidden".
Scott Rosenberg is a reed player and composer whose concertizing and
recent CD release (are on Super J Recordings) has brought him the
unofficial title of busiest man in Bay Area show biz. Scott's palette has
recently expanded to include contrabass clarinet, and this piece will
focus on that amazing instrument In general, Scott's playing often seems
to exceed the expectations of the genre "free jazz", somehow wandering
into the "non-idiomatic improvisational music" category.
Tim White is a Bay Area fixture, whether as a composer, studio builder and
engineer, participant in the Good Sound Foundations acoustic work, or
student of Ali Akbar Khan. Tonight Tim will offer something new for
sitar, and his playing must be seen/heard to be believed....
Friction Media is a collective founded in Chapel Hill, NCs eclectic music
scene to smash expectations about genre limitations in music. Since that
time members of the collective have moved to the SF Bay Area and NYC in
an effort to gain foothold in those centers of culture. Friction Medias
visionary compilation CD, Cognitive Mapping Vol. 2 epitomizes the groups
agenda, and the highly acclaimed zine _Tuba Frenzy_ spreads the gospel on
paper. To contact us, write to PO Box 373, Chapel Hill, NC 27514 or email
friction@ pobox.com.
- ----------------------===---------------====------------------==-------
Bob Boster (aka Mr. Meridies)
boster@ella.mills.edu boster@email.unc.edu
friction@pobox.com
PO Box 9383 Oakland, CA 94613 510-655-8636
PO Box 373 Chapel Hill, NC 27514 919-942-7672
------------------------------
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:47:07 GMT0BST
Subject: time signatures
Just replaced Masada 1 (stolen 15 months ago) and this week's sublime
moment comes at the end of Dave Douglas' solo on Janohah (?), where
he plays that "creeping up behind you" riff and segues into the
instrumental riff from the opening of Singin' In The Rain ...
What I wanted to ask any musos on this list concerns a song on Masada
3. I don't know its title, as this CD too was stolen and I haven't
replaced it yet, but it comes somewhere in the middle of the disc.
It opens with Greg Cohen alone playing a riff in 8, subdivided 3-
3-2. When the horns enter, the "verse", if i can call it that,
seems to be in 31 (!), but I could never seem to subdivide it
further than that (not even whether 15-16 or 16-15 !). Even worse,
the "bridge" (or "B" section) seemed to be in something else
altogether, but, by that time, I was completely lost.
Can anyone help? Can anyone even work out which song I am describing?
Sean Wilkie
lone
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From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:17:46 +0000
Subject: Tony Williams
I take it everyone has heard that Tony Williams died?
Even though he is not directly involved in the music we discuss here,
it's still a sad day indeed. I reckon he was one of the great
drummers. I saw him at The Glasgow Jazz Festival a few years ago and
he was still playing up a storm.
A great loss.
I know I'll miss him.
Scott Russell.
------------------------------
From: "wesley@interaccess.com" <wesley@interaccess.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:51:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Tony Williams
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Scott Russell wrote:
> Even though he is not directly involved in the music we discuss here,
> it's still a sad day indeed. I reckon he was one of the great
> drummers. I saw him at The Glasgow Jazz Festival a few years ago and
> he was still playing up a storm.
To be a bit of a trainspotter, I'll point out that yes, Williams was
directly related to the music we discuss here. He appeared last year on
the Arcana CD with Bill Laswell and Derek Bailey. It was nice to see that
he could appreciate the avant garde.
RIP,
Paul
wesley@interaccess.com
------------------------------
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:42:41 +0000
Subject: Re: Tony Williams
wesley@interaccess.com wrote:
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Scott Russell wrote:
>
> > Even though he is not directly involved in the music we discuss here,
> > it's still a sad day indeed. I reckon he was one of the great
> > drummers. I saw him at The Glasgow Jazz Festival a few years ago and
> > he was still playing up a storm.
>
> To be a bit of a trainspotter, I'll point out that yes, Williams was
> directly related to the music we discuss here. He appeared last year on
> the Arcana CD with Bill Laswell and Derek Bailey. It was nice to see that
> he could appreciate the avant garde.
>
> RIP,
>
Paul
You are, of course, correct. I have the Arcana CD and I was thinking
it could have been an interesting new direction for him. After all he
was one of the people who freed jazz drumming from standard
timekeeping. Williams had a sixth sense for space and tension in
music that left mostdrummers atnding. I also thought his drumming on
Arcana was less adventurous than in other bands; check out Miles
Complete live at the Plugged Nickle if you want to hear a band go from
fairly straight ahead jazz to free form explorations in the space of
two days! The Arcana disc is,however, the result of only one meeting
of the players involved.
Scott.
------------------------------
From: DANIEL BITTON <d_bitto@alcor.concordia.ca>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:40:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc
I don't see the connection.
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Matthew Ross Davis wrote:
> A little trivia about Torture Garden - Zorn says that the album is his
> version of the Webern "Bagatelles".
>
> MRD
>
>
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> m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland
> http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music
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>
>
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From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:35:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Torture Garden etc
daniel:
> I don't see the connection.
>
> On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Matthew Ross Davis wrote:
>
> > A little trivia about Torture Garden - Zorn says that the album is his
> > version of the Webern "Bagatelles".
presumably JZ fashioned these vignettes to say everything he wanted to say
in a tiny space, with no wasted gestures, like Webern did with the 6
Bagatelles. For compilation tapes, I've often used the 6 bagatelles
alternating with the shortest Napalm Death pieces (clearly another
inspiration for TG) and the juxtapostion has a remarkable logic, to me at
least.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
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From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:52:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Tony Williams
At 12:17 PM 2/26/97 +0000, Scott Russell wrote:
>I take it everyone has heard that Tony Williams died?
>
>Even though he is not directly involved in the music we discuss here,
>it's still a sad day indeed. I reckon he was one of the great
>drummers. I saw him at The Glasgow Jazz Festival a few years ago and
>he was still playing up a storm.
>
>A great loss.
>
>I know I'll miss him.
It is very sad indeed.
_Arcana 2_ will be released as a tribute album to Tony Williams.
------------------------------
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:38:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Tony Williams
Scott Russell wrote:
I take it everyone has heard that Tony Williams died?
Even though he is not directly involved in the music we discuss
here,
it's still a sad day indeed. I reckon he was one of the great
drummers. I saw him at The Glasgow Jazz Festival a few years ago and
he was still playing up a storm.
A great loss.
I know I'll miss him.
Scott Russell.
Scott
Check out the Tony Williams Lifetime CDá"Emergency." This is the
original jazz-rock band, featuring John McLaughlin and Larry Young. It
was 2 LPs of fuzz guitar and post Jimmy Smith organ via Coltrane. I
remember hearing this for the first time when it originally was released
way back when. It blew me away. Thought WHATáISáTHIS! The vocals by
Tony are really dated, but it sure brings back memories. This was a
great band, and I understand Verve has just released a compilation 2
CD. Tony never quite matched his early work, nor was there anything in
this genre that matched the energy of Emergency.
His passing is indeed sad, especially at a relatively early age.
Alan E Kayser
aek1@erols.com
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