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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #46
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zorn-list Digest Thursday, 9 January 1997 Volume 02 : Number 046
In this issue:
Re: commercial blurb re: Derek Bailey jungle cd
James Plotkin
Ruins/Blood Duster questions
Some Eugene Chadbourne stuff ...
How do you pronounce "Tzadik"?
Re: James Plotkin
duck baker
Re: Blood Duster
Re: commercial blurb re: Derek Bailey jungle cd
Re: Some Eugene Chadbourne stuff ...
Re: commercial blurb re: Derek Bailey jungle cd
Painkiller CD
Re: Painkiller CD
mysterious silence on Harras
Re: mysterious silence on Harras
Re: How do you pronounce "Tzadik"?
Mc Hellshit
Re: Zorn in Europe in 97
cohen cd
Upcoming Zorn show in Taipei
Re: Upcoming Zorn show in Taipei
[none]
Re: cohen cd
See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list
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From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:34:59 -0800
Subject: Re: commercial blurb re: Derek Bailey jungle cd
At 08:53 PM 1/7/97 -0800, Allan Horrocks wrote:
>Also, as a further caveat to potential emptors (?), the word is that the
>Bailey as well as other Avant titles will be getting a new distributor in
>the States perhaps sometime this Spring...which means that if you wait
>several months, you can get it for cheaper, supposedly.
I heard the same thing also regarding Avant distribution, from someone that
talks regularly to Zorn about the business side of things. Hopefully it is
true.
Speaking of bad distribution, anyone looking for the Laswell CD -
Tetragramaton: _Submerge_ - on the West Coast can get it from Groovesmith
in Palo Alto, 415-FAT-LINE, grvsmth@best.com, and yes they do mail order.
It is also available from Downtown Music Gallery in NYC, dmg@panix.com, and
yes they do mail order too. This CD should be widely available by
mid-January, but both of these sources have good prices, i.e., you won't
have to emptor your caveat, or even take a leak, if you buy it from these
sources. For those unaware of the CD, it includes two extended horn tracks
by Material, one with Byard Lancaster and one with Graham Haynes, over trip
hop and Indian stuff with electronic (including jungle/dnb) beats and Bill's
bass, and three tracks of trip-hop-py stuff. Highly recommended.
Jeff Spirer
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
Axiom Records/Material Communications
------------------------------
From: landocal@mail.utexas.edu (LP Thorpe)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:56:53 -0500
Subject: James Plotkin
Hello all,
Allan Horrocks wrote:
>We managed to get some copies of that, and also the equally scarce James
>Plotkin Avant album, recently, direct from Japan.
Does anyone have an opinion on this album, or Old, or anything else Plotkin
has done (even death metal :))?
I happen to like the skewed pop of Old, and I heard his solo A Strange,
Perplexing on the Indiscreet label, but found 3/4 of it rather, um,
repetitive (wince).
Any info would be appreciated, old news, new news, other albums to buy,
whatever.
Thanks in advance,
LP Thorpe
------------------------------
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:02:22 -0800
Subject: Ruins/Blood Duster questions
Excuse my ignorance (or lack of attention) but...Ruins...describe. Who,
what, when, where, how.. (no discography neccesary).
And, how do we get ahold of this Blood Duster CD?
`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
"One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore
for a very long time."
Andre Gide
`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
Kick Media
Todd & Camarie Bramy http://www.oz.net/~tbramy
Seattle, Wa tbramy@oz.net
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------------------------------
From: fenechd@charon.stm.com (David FENECH)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 10:17:59 +0100
Subject: Some Eugene Chadbourne stuff ...
> From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk
>
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:56:39 +0100 (MET)
> Subject: Eugene Chadbourne
>
> Where's some good places to mailorder Eugene Chadbourne cds, tapes etc?
> Alot of his records are very hard to find...
> If you like "Book Of Heads" you should try to get some of Eugenes own stuff.
> I only have a few of his cds, but it looks like his solo record "Strings" is
> a good place to start. It's great stuff, anyhow. Lots of wild guitar and
> banjo and you can hear him do some of the stuff Ribot does on "Book Of
> Heads". Check it out...
>
> Jonas
>
You can find a LP of Eugene Chadbourne (& his family and friends) on a French
new label called Rectangle. The record is called "The aquaduct" and has been
mostly recorded near the aquaduct called "le pont du Gard" which is an antique
roman bridge over the Gard, somewhere in the Southern French countryside...
The label is located at :
RECTANGLE
c/o Quentin Rollet
15, rue Montcalm
75018 PARIS
(France)
You can also contact Eugene at his own address, if you want one of his many many tapes :
Eugene Chadbourne
707 Longview Street
Greensboro N.C.
27403 - U S A
I recommend his work with a guy called Frank Pahl (form the band ONLY A MOTHER), and
his duos with Derek Bailey. There is also an excellent record with the "Violent Femmes"
members, but I think I lost my tape ... so I can't say more about it.
And of course, the famous J.Z plays on some of his records ...
bye
=====================================
David FENECH, musician , one man band
(Please Send tapes and mail art to :)
2, rue Claude Debussy
38100 Grenoble - France
=====================================
E - Mail : fenechd@stm.com
=====================================
------------------------------
From: "Andy Chang" <mothra@prairienet.org>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 03:50:18 +0000
Subject: How do you pronounce "Tzadik"?
Hi all,
Well, the subject line says it all. The question occured to me when
I was at a record store asking for stuff on the label.
Thankya kindly!
andy
The feel-good hit of the season
!?! SuperDeFormedACTIONCITY !?!
http://www.prairienet.org/~mothra/
------------------------------
From: gastarit@comm.net
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 06:39:55 -0600
Subject: Re: James Plotkin
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, landocal@mail.utexas.edu (LP Thorpe) wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>Allan Horrocks wrote:
>
>>We managed to get some copies of that, and also the equally scarce James
>>Plotkin Avant album, recently, direct from Japan.
>
>Does anyone have an opinion on this album, or Old, or anything else Plotkin
>has done (even death metal :))?
>
>I happen to like the skewed pop of Old, and I heard his solo A Strange,
>Perplexing on the Indiscreet label, but found 3/4 of it rather, um,
>repetitive (wince).
>
>Any info would be appreciated, old news, new news, other albums to buy,
>whatever.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>LP Thorpe
>
>
>
>Check out his recent ambient adventure with Mick Harris called "Collapse" !
It's similar to Laswell/Harris' "Sominific Flux". Anyway, it's loaded with
digital loops, plenty of effects but most of all it's sublime and well
executed..
glenn
------------------------------
From: "M.Ho" <mus4mth@atlas.vcu.edu>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 10:01:43 EST
Subject: duck baker
I know we've talked about Duck Baker earlier sometime but has anyone found
his latest album out on Avant? Can someone give me a review?
------------------------------
From: Matt Walsh <MATTW@smginc.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 10:16:00 PST
Subject: Re: Blood Duster
Blood Duster is an interesting band, but I'm not too sure how many
Zorn fans would be into it. They have an album and an E.P. out, which
were both released together in the U.S. on Relapse Records called
"Yeest". The album has about 40 songs on it and is I think about 35
minutes long (I'm at work right now, so I don't have the info, I can give
you more info on it if you're interested.
The sound is kind of Naked City-ish, but more grindcore/death metal
sounding. A lot of cool Entombed and early Napalm Death-like riffs. They
also use a lot of sound bites from Horror movies and who knows where
else.
I personally think the album is fantastic, but I guess if you're into
old Napalm Death and some of the current grind-groovecore bands then
you'll want to check it out, if not, you might want to stay away from it.
I write for a music zine called New Rock Review and reviewed it in the
last issue, if anyone wants me to forward them the review on this album,
let me know. I have it at home, so I can't just put it in this message.
Hope this helps.
Matt Walsh
mattw@smginc.com
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 08:23:42 -0800
Subject: Re: commercial blurb re: Derek Bailey jungle cd
On Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:34:59 -0800 Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> At 08:53 PM 1/7/97 -0800, Allan Horrocks wrote:
>
> >Also, as a further caveat to potential emptors (?), the word is that the
> >Bailey as well as other Avant titles will be getting a new distributor in
> >the States perhaps sometime this Spring...which means that if you wait
> >several months, you can get it for cheaper, supposedly.
>
> I heard the same thing also regarding Avant distribution, from someone that
> talks regularly to Zorn about the business side of things. Hopefully it is
> true.
Yep! Koch will distribute Avant.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 08:34:29 -0800
Subject: Re: Some Eugene Chadbourne stuff ...
On Wed, 8 Jan 97 10:17:59 +0100 David FENECH wrote:
>
> I recommend his work with a guy called Frank Pahl (form the band ONLY A MOTHER), and
> his duos with Derek Bailey. There is also an excellent record with the "Violent Femmes"
> members, but I think I lost my tape ... so I can't say more about it.
>
> And of course, the famous J.Z plays on some of his records ...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And the opposite is also true (n'est-ce pas ?) :-).
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 11:13:43 -0700
Subject: Re: commercial blurb re: Derek Bailey jungle cd
you can also get all of the recent titles featuring derek bailey, incus and
otherwise from incus records directly. the price is $20. they listed the
dnb disc in their last mailing as available.
Incus
14 Downs Road
London E5 8DS
England
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
------------------------------
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:39:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Painkiller CD
Greetings all!
I'd like some help with something. I've been trying to get the Japanese 3CD
version of the following:
160 - EXECUTION GROUND: Pain Killer
Disc 1:
1/ Parish Of Tama (Ossuary Dub) 16:05 2/ Morning Of Balachaturdasi 14:45
3/ Pashupatinath 13:47
Disc 2: Ambient
4/ Pashupatinath 20:00 5/ Parish Of Tama 19:19
Recorded in June 1994 at Greenpoint Studio, Brooklyn, New York
John Zorn: alto, vocals; Bill Laswell: basses, samples; Mick Harris: drums,
samples, vocals.
1994 - Subharmonic (USA), SD 7008-2 (2xCD)
1995 - Subharmonic (USA), #1708 (2xCD)
1995 - Toy's Factory Records (Japan), TFCK-88731/3 (3xCD)
Note: the #1708 is a limited edition of 500 total: 250 being packaged in a
marble box, and 250 in a metal box; both box designs are by artist Rockit.
Note: the Japanese pressing adds an extra record which is a live concert
called: LIVE IN OSAKA; following is its description:
*** - LIVE IN OSAKA: Pain Killer
1/ GANDHAMADANA 13:00 2/ VAIDURYA 9:00 3/ SATAPITAKA 11:00
4/ BODKYITHANGGA 13:00 5/ John and Eye duo encore 5a/ Black Bile 1:45
5b/ Yellow Bile 0:58 5c/ Crimson Bile 1:46
5d/ Ivory Bile 1:26
Recorded in November 1994 by Oz Fritz
Regular Pain Killer lineup plus Yamatsuka Eye on (4,5).
My local shop claims this is unavailable. Does anyone know for certain? Or,
I'd be perfectly happy with a used copy if there's one out there somewhere.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
And also, in an effort to contribute something here that's not really
related....
I've just stumbled onto an Italian CD called Harmonia Meets Zappa, which is
Italian MASO CD 90067, released in 1994. This is Zappa compositions done by a
chamber orchestra, and is the most wonderful interpretation of his material I
have ever heard. If Frank had been inclined to write like Charles Ives, this
is what he would sound like. Everyone I've played it for has been completely
delighted, struggling for words to describe it. If you want any more details,
please feel free to email me. I haven't been this thrilled with something
musical in a long, long time.
Hope to hear from you soon, and thanks for any help.
Sincerely,
Dale.
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 15:11:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Painkiller CD
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:39:24 -0500 (EST) TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
>
> Greetings all!
>
> I'd like some help with something. I've been trying to get the Japanese 3CD
> version of the following:
>
> 160 - EXECUTION GROUND: Pain Killer
> Disc 1:
> 1/ Parish Of Tama (Ossuary Dub) 16:05 2/ Morning Of Balachaturdasi 14:45
> 3/ Pashupatinath 13:47
> Disc 2: Ambient
> 4/ Pashupatinath 20:00 5/ Parish Of Tama 19:19
> Recorded in June 1994 at Greenpoint Studio, Brooklyn, New York
> John Zorn: alto, vocals; Bill Laswell: basses, samples; Mick Harris: drums,
>
> samples, vocals.
> 1994 - Subharmonic (USA), SD 7008-2 (2xCD)
> 1995 - Subharmonic (USA), #1708 (2xCD)
> 1995 - Toy's Factory Records (Japan), TFCK-88731/3 (3xCD)
> Note: the #1708 is a limited edition of 500 total: 250 being packaged in a
> marble box, and 250 in a metal box; both box designs are by artist Rockit.
> Note: the Japanese pressing adds an extra record which is a live concert
> called: LIVE IN OSAKA; following is its description:
> *** - LIVE IN OSAKA: Pain Killer
> 1/ GANDHAMADANA 13:00 2/ VAIDURYA 9:00 3/ SATAPITAKA 11:00
> 4/ BODKYITHANGGA 13:00 5/ John and Eye duo encore 5a/ Black Bile 1:45
> 5b/ Yellow Bile 0:58 5c/ Crimson Bile 1:46
> 5d/ Ivory Bile 1:26
> Recorded in November 1994 by Oz Fritz
> Regular Pain Killer lineup plus Yamatsuka Eye on (4,5).
>
> My local shop claims this is unavailable. Does anyone know for certain? Or,
> I'd be perfectly happy with a used copy if there's one out there somewhere.
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Tzadik has plans to reissue this 3xCD set. No idea when. I got my copy from
Ear-Rational; you might double check with them (e-mail: ear@xmission.com).
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: Caleb Deupree <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:30:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: mysterious silence on Harras
Ordinarily I take whatever comes on a CD, but in this case I have to ask.
On the third cut of my copy of Harras, which is about 35 minutes long, there
is a silence of about five minutes or so 25 minutes in, which drops out
*very* suddenly, but which comes back quietly as if it were intentional. Is
it intentional? or did I get a defective copy? None of the reviews I've
seen of this album mention this silence, and I thought this was recorded live.
- --
Caleb T. Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
;; Protect your environment, save Mother Earth...
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 18:51:40 -0800
Subject: Re: mysterious silence on Harras
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:30:23 -0500 (EST) Caleb Deupree wrote:
>
> Ordinarily I take whatever comes on a CD, but in this case I have to ask.
> On the third cut of my copy of Harras, which is about 35 minutes long, there
> is a silence of about five minutes or so 25 minutes in, which drops out
> *very* suddenly, but which comes back quietly as if it were intentional. Is
> it intentional? or did I get a defective copy? None of the reviews I've
> seen of this album mention this silence, and I thought this was recorded live.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
187 - HARRAS: Derek Bailey, John Zorn, William Parker
1/ Morning Harras 10:19
2/ Noon Harras 8:59
3/ Evening Harras 36:01
Recorded by James McLean live at the Knitting Factory, New York City
Produced by John Zorn and Derek Bailey
Derek Bailey: guitar; John Zorn: alto; William Parker: bass.
1995 - Avant (Japan), Avan 056 (CD)
Note: the silence on the track #3 has the following explanation:
"According to Derek Bailey, the abrupt cutoff was planned. Derek wanted
to end it "on a high". The Bailey solo material appended after the silence
was apparently Zorn's idea." (thanks to Peter Stubley/Lynn Rardin)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:29:45 -0800
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce "Tzadik"?
>Hi all,
>
>Well, the subject line says it all. The question occured to me when
>I was at a record store asking for stuff on the label.
>
>Thankya kindly!
>
TZ as in "glitzy"
A as in "bad"
DIK as in "deek"
It means holy man in Hebrew
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
------------------------------
From: anders.fransson@hoe.se (Anders Fransson)
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:31:14 +0200
Subject: Mc Hellshit
Hi out there!
I have got a 3"cd with Mc Hellshit & Dj Carhouse alias Yamatsuka Eye and
Otomo Yoshihide, label: Blast first. Eye on screming and Yoshihide on
turntables, tape et. It=B4s a live performance at a place called Discobay or
Disobay??? Does anybody know more about it?
I have heard about a cd with Zorn where the cover is made from marble or=
steel,
I think I read it in Patrice Roussels discography. Where can i get a copy?
Does anybody know if Zorn will tour in Europe in 97?
Anders.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
- -
Anders Fransson, Biblioteket H=F6gskolan i =D6rebro, 701 82 =D6REBRO
e-post: anders.fransson@hoe.se
Tel +46 19 303866
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
- -
------------------------------
From: "Geert.Buelens" <buelens@uia.ua.ac.be>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:22:14 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: Zorn in Europe in 97
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Anders Fransson wrote:
> Hi out there!
>
> Does anybody know if Zorn will tour in Europe in 97?
I read an announcement for a Masada-concert in Brussels (April, if I
remember correctly)
Geert
------------------------------
From: hywel davies <s.wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 11:45:37 -0800
Subject: cohen cd
any info. on the new greg cohen cd 'way low' diw918 ?
------------------------------
From: Jan-Wen Lu <janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw>
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 20:26:59 +0800
Subject: Upcoming Zorn show in Taipei
Zorn will perform in Taipei on Jan. 22, in a new pub--"Opium Den". With Ikue
Mori and Mike Patton. A highly anticipated show!!
Jan-Wen, Taipei, Taiwan
- --
Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw
------------------------------
From: gastarit@comm.net
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 06:42:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Upcoming Zorn show in Taipei
On Thu, 09 Jan 1997, Jan-Wen Lu <janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw> wrote:
>Zorn will perform in Taipei on Jan. 22, in a new pub--"Opium Den". With Ikue
>Mori and Mike Patton. A highly anticipated show!!
>
>
>Jan-Wen, Taipei, Taiwan
>--
>Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw
>
>
Will be picking up the "Anthony Coleman Trio" cd today. Tower is having their
annual clearance sale, which helps. Anyway, its Coleman, BAron and Greg Cohen.
Of course, it's on Tzadik...
glenn
------------------------------
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 07:51:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [none]
Another forwarded commercial for another screening of the film
The Art Of Remembrance, with Bar Kokhba soundtrack:
January 13, 7 p.m.
Detroit Institute of Arts
Detroit Film Theatre
5200 Woodward
Detroit, MI 48202
(313) 833-7939
Another infomercial:
Sunday, Jan. 12, 3pm at Carnegie Hall, NYC
Zorn's 'Aporias - Requia for Piano and Orchestra' performed by Stephen
Drury and the American Composers Orchestra conducted by Dennis Russell
Davies. Also on the bill is Stephen Mackey's "Deal" featuring Joey Baron
and Bill Frisell, and Roger Sessions' "Symphony No. 2" . Nosebleed seats
start at $9 - good sound but not very comfortable, good seats are pretty
$teep.
A public service announcement -
Joe Maneri w/ Mat Maneri & Joe Morris(?) at Knit Fact small room this
Saturday nite.
And you might also enjoy the March '97 line of Tzadik releases:
Zorn Filmworks III
Naked City Blackbox (Torture Garden & Leng Tch'e)
Film Series: Fred Frith
Film Series: Elliot Sharp
Film Series: Marc Ribot
Composer Series: Bun-Ching Lam
Radical Jewish Culture: John Schott
Radical Jewish Culture: Roy Nathanson & Anthony Coleman
New Japan: Compostela
Avant CDs will be widely available in the states starting March 18, at ~$20
retail. 4 back catalog and/or new releases will magically appear each
month, starting with:
Derek Bailey / DJ Ninj
Dim Sum Clip Job
Duck Baker plays Herbie Nichols
Smarnamisa!: Resia Valley Music
We now return to our regular programming...
------------------------------
From: acapps@usit.net (Ashley Capps)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:14:57 -0500
Subject: Re: cohen cd
>any info. on the new greg cohen cd 'way low' diw918 ?
Got it. And love it. Though it may not appeal to those who are strictly
interested in the avant-garde. Two Ellington gems from the 1930s are
wonderfully arranged and peformed, along with a piano trio performance of
Bud Powell's "So Sorry, Please" and 6 Cohen originals which are nicely
varied. Dave Douglas on trumpet, Joel Hellany on trombone, Scott Robinson
on reeds, Ted Rosenthal on piano, and Tony Denicola on drums, with
appearances on two tracks by Kenny Wolleson on percussion and Romero
Lubambo on guitar. I really can't say enough about this disc - it's just
wonderful. I've played it over and over.
Ashley
------------------------------
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