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zorn-list Digest          Tuesday, 7 January 1997      Volume 02 : Number 045

In this issue:

    New Arto Lindsay
    Re: New Arto Lindsay
    Hanatarash
    Discographies
    FAQ: Request For Submissions (heh, he said submission)
    Re: Ruins query
    Re: New Arto Lindsay
    Re: New Arto Lindsay
    Bloodcount
    forwarded
    More Derek Bailey jungle...
    Eugene Chadbourne
    Bloodcount 3 CD's set?
    Re: John Oswald
    blood duster
    Re: Arto Lindsay
    Re: Arto Lindsay
    Re: Arto Lindsay
    Re: Arto Lindsay
    Re: blood duster
    Re: John Oswald, not (exactly) blood duster
    Re: Arto Lindsay
    commercial blurb re: Derek Bailey jungle cd

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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:23:28 +0100 (MET)
Subject: New Arto Lindsay

I saw a new (?) Arto Lindsay cd called "Mundo Civilizado". It was very
expensive and was by some japanese label. Who plays on it?

Jonas

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 10:45:19 -0800
Subject: Re: New Arto Lindsay

On Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:23:28 +0100 (MET)  Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>
> I saw a new (?) Arto Lindsay cd called "Mundo Civilizado". It was very
> expensive and was by some japanese label. Who plays on it?

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

108 - MUNDO CIVILIZADO: Arto Lindsay

    1/ Complicity                               (Lindsay, Cantuaria)     4:05
    2/ Q Samba                                  (Lindsay, cantuaria)     3:27
    3/ Simply Beautiful                         (Al Green)               3:58
    4/ Mundo Civilizado                         (Lindsay, Marisa Monte)  4:23
    5/ Titled                                   (Lindsay, Caetano Veloso)3:18
    6/ Horizontal                               (Lindsay, Cantuaria, Gibbs)
                                     3:29
    7/ Mar Da Gavea                             (Lucas Santana)          2:43
    8/ Imbassai                                 (Lindsay, Amedeo Pace)   3:16
    9/ Pleasure                                 (Lindsay, Cantuaria)     2:37
    10/ Erotic City                             (Prince)                 5:01
    11/ Clown                                   (Lindsay, Cantuaria)     3:50

    Recorded at WR Studios in Salvador, Bahia, Svuga Svuga in Brooklyn and
    Platinum Island in Manhattan
    Produced by Arto Lindsay

  Arto Lindsay: vocals; Gustavo De Dalva (1,2,3,6,9,10,11): surdos, caixas,
  bacurinha, djembe, timbau, triangle, pandeiro; Boghan (1,2,6,9,10): surdos,
  caixas, bacurinha, djembe, timbau, triangle, pandeiro; Marcio Tchin (1,6,9,
  10): surdos, caixas, bacurinha, triangle, pandeiro; Vinicius Cantuaria (all
  but (3)): guitar, surdo, maos em papelao, pandeiro; Peter Scherer (1,2,4,7):
  Wurlitzer, keyboards, Farfisa; Melvin Gibbs (1,2,3,4,5,6,10): bass; Romero
  Lubambo (1): guitar; DJ Spooky (1,4,6,7,11): samples, textures; Marc Ribot
  (3): guitar; Dougie Bowne (3,4,10): drums; Bernie Worrell (3,10): Hammond
  B-3; Don Byron (5): bass clarinet; Mutamassik (6,10): samples, DJ; Camus
  Celli (7): toy accordion; Amedeo Pace (8): guitar; Andres Levin (8,9,10):
  piano, electric piano, Wurlitzer; Marcus Rojas (9,11): tuba; Jacques
  Morelenbaum (9): cello; Roy Nathanson (11): saxes.

    1996 - Gut (Japan), FLCG-3021 (CD)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

109 - MUNDO CIVILIZADO REMIX: Arto Lindsay

    1996 - Gut-Bounce (Japan), CDFGTBC-0003 (CD)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you like SUBTLE BODY, get it (meaning: it is very Brazilian music orien-
ted). If you like Arto only for his skronk/improv, you should avoid it.

    Patrice (who likes it but is a total fan of Arto).

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From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 16:16:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hanatarash

A long time ago Michael Wittmann quoted:
>
>Addicted To Noise Tokyo correspondent Brian Kushnir reports:
>Hanatarash, Boredoms' singer Eye Yamataka's
>pre-Boredoms' band, will play three rare shows in Japan this
>month. The group caused a sensation in the mid-1980s with
>a series of extreme performances during which the band
>tried to make as much noise as possible (audience members
>once had to sign waivers before entering the hall; at one
>performance Eye brought a bulldozer which he used to
>chase people around, finally driving it into a wall creating a
>hole from which he could not back out, at which point he
>and Taketani, another band member, trashed the place with
>a pair of circular saws that they had strapped to their
>backs...).

    Actually, the bulldozer and circular saw
    incidents were at two separate Hanatarash
    shows.

    mike the nit picker

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From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 17:41:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Discographies

>                                R U I N S
>                                ---------
>                               discography
[snip - 1085 lines deleted]

    In the future, rather than sending a large discography
    to all 459 zorn-list subscribers, I would prefer that
    folks send a brief note declaring the existence of the
    discography, a pointer to a web/ftp site where it can
    be found, and an offer to email individual requests out.

    Thanks,
    mike

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From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 17:57:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FAQ: Request For Submissions (heh, he said submission)

    I've finally got some extra time and can put together
    a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) page for the zorn-list.

    At this point I can compile a list of those repeat questions,
    you old-timers find so annoying (heh) and put it up at the
    zorn-list web site.

    Feel free to email me ([e-mail]) any questions
    that you feel must be included, and if you are so inclined,
    the appropriate response.

    I'll mock up the first version and then let y'all comment
    on it. How does that sound?

    thanks,
    mike rizzi
    p.s. remember to email me privately.

- ------------------------------------------------------- [e-mail]
                   "Another nerd with a soulpatch"              -=home=-
                      http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/
- ------ browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ---------

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From: [e-mail] (Naes)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 02:55:07 -0800
Subject: Re: Ruins query

whoever is compiling this discograpy....if you need help filling in the
blanks on the ruins/schlong 7", i have a copy of it and would be willing to
give you more details if necessary.....just mail me back or something.....

- -naes

Naes' pick o' da week: Strychnine "Dead Rat and Oakland Dogs" (EastBayMenace)
homepage: http://www.best.com/~naes (under construction)
Bun Length Records: p.o.box 2174 berkeley, ca. 94702
homepage: moving to new address shortly...




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From: "M.Ho" <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 9:38:22 EST
Subject: Re: New Arto Lindsay

>
> I saw a new (?) Arto Lindsay cd called "Mundo Civilizado". It was very
> expensive and was by some japanese label. Who plays on it?
>
 Patrice,
Is this the album that the Knitting Factory has never released but
advertised in their 1996 catalogue?

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 08:36:30 -0800
Subject: Re: New Arto Lindsay

On Mon, 30 Dec 96 9:38:22 EST  "M.Ho" wrote:
>
> >
> > I saw a new (?) Arto Lindsay cd called "Mundo Civilizado". It was very
> > expensive and was by some japanese label. Who plays on it?
> >
>  Patrice,
> Is this the album that the Knitting Factory has never released but
> advertised in their 1996 catalogue?

Don't know. If I had to make the same statement, I would apply it to
his previous record (SUBTLE BODY). This one is a natural follow up
(same kind of music, same label).

My impression concerning the KF one was that it would be a follow up
of AGGREGATES 1-26.

    Patrice.

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:54:25 +0200
Subject: Bloodcount

     I share Steve Smiths's enthusiasm for Bloodcount; pt. of the dispute,
     I think, might stem from the fact that their 3 CDs date from 1994 and
     the band has matured a lot since then.

     The new CD set( should probably sound more like their recent live
     sets.  On "Brown dog meets the spaceman" from Lowlife there are
     segments of tight ensemble playing that sound really good, as well as
     themes that depart and suddenly come back.  They've honed all that
     down a lot: more structured pieces, generally;  the transitions  from
     improvising to composed pts. are amazingly executed(showing how well
     they know the music); Berne's compositions and solos span a remarkable
     range of moods and textures.

     There's really a lot to listen to: on "Mr. Johnson's Blues", Berne
     takes the initial ensemble riff into a solo, and gradually
     twists it from an upbeat melody into something sullen, and then into
     a gravelly textured sound;  On "Snow White", the slowly developed
     sax theme is strikingly punctuated by booming bass chords by Formanek.

     I came to avant-jazz from indie-rock, and I find Bloodcount's current
     stuff as fascinating as I found Husker Du's Zen Arcade 10 yrs. ago.

     Also, there's a good interview w/ Berne in the KnitZine at the KF
     site.

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From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 20:13:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: forwarded

Forwarded info on L.A.screening of feature-length documentary with Bar
Kokhba soundtrack. I received much more detailed info if anyone is
interested...

hny,
dn

=====================================
Film portrait of legendary Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal
will be screened on January 18-20, and January 25-26, 1997 at 10 a.m. matinee at
SUNSET 5, West-Hollwood, 8000 Sunset Blvd., Tel.: [phone], (213)
848-3500. Filmmakers JOHANNA HEER and WERNER SCHMIEDEL will be present for
discussion on January 18 and January 19.





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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:40:45 +0100 (MET)
Subject: More Derek Bailey jungle...

Did anybody go see the Derek Bailey jungle concert at the Knitting
Factory Dec. 15?

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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:56:39 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Eugene Chadbourne

Where's some good places to mailorder Eugene Chadbourne cds, tapes etc?
Alot of his records are very hard to find...
If you like "Book Of Heads" you should try to get some of Eugenes own stuff.
I only have a few of his cds, but it looks like his solo record "Strings" is
a good place to start. It's great stuff, anyhow. Lots of wild guitar and
banjo and you can hear him do some of the stuff Ribot does on "Book Of
Heads". Check it out...

Jonas




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From: Alain et Louis Potvin <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 01:52:55 -0500
Subject: Bloodcount 3 CD's set?

i read this info on the Newsgroup rec.music.bluenote

A 3 CD's set of live shows of Bloodcount is release on Berne's Label,
Scewgun. The 3 CD's set is a limited edition of 2000 copies and is available
only by mail order. To order it send $32 (37$ overseas) US found payable to
Screwgun Records:

The screwgun Building
104 St. Marks Ave.
Brooklyn, NY 11217

Bloodcount UNWOUND

disc one: : "We're only here for the food" (Live in Berlin)
disc two : "An Avarage Daze" (Live in Berlin)
disc three: " The Fan" (Live in Ann Arbor)

Someone have more info/or a review of it?



Alain Potvin
Qu=E9bec, Canada



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From: "s.lucas" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 97 15:20:43 +0100
Subject: Re: John Oswald

This Oswald Naked City track is called 'Z'. It is all of 0.14 seconds
long and features '47 edits of 35 sound slices, each between 1/20 and 1
second long.' Quote from page 98 of 'Unfiled' (ReR/Recommended Sourcebook
0401) which has many articles on sampling including on Oswald and
Negativland and a CD with said track.

The CD that came with the book is ReR 0401.

simon lucas

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From: "J.Ross" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:35:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: blood duster

has anyone ever heard of the band: Blood Duster.  I stumbled across
them on some web site.   All I know about them is that they are an
australian Gore band who got their name from a Naked City song.  A
review of them said they sounded something like a mix between Naked
city and slayer or something...They have songs with titles like
Fisting the dead...Sex with rotting corpses....etc...
    If anyone has heard of them I would love to hear any reviews
about their music...

J-


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From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:27:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Arto Lindsay

>
> My impression concerning the KF one was that it would be a follow up
> of AGGREGATES 1-26.
>
>     Patrice.

I couldn't find Aggregates 1-26 on the KF homepage last time i looked.
From the one track i've heard it sounds like it would be a cool little
album.  I'm completely ingnorant of Lindsay's stuff except for what i've
heard on John Zorn records and a couple of early lounge lizards things.

Where to start, o ye more learned than i?  Any albums which stand out as
being the voice of genius?

- -jascha


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 15:16:27 -0800
Subject: Re: Arto Lindsay

On Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:27:46 -0500 (EST)  "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" wrote:
>
> >
> > My impression concerning the KF one was that it would be a follow up
> > of AGGREGATES 1-26.
> >
> >     Patrice.
>
> I couldn't find Aggregates 1-26 on the KF homepage last time i looked.
> >From the one track i've heard it sounds like it would be a cool little
> album.  I'm completely ingnorant of Lindsay's stuff except for what i've
> heard on John Zorn records and a couple of early lounge lizards things.
>
> Where to start, o ye more learned than i?  Any albums which stand out as
> being the voice of genius?

Besides AGGREGATES 1-16, you should check:

010 - THE LOUNGE LIZARDS
    ???? - EG Records, EEGCD 8 (CD)
014 - THE GOLDEN PALOMINOS
    ???? - Celluloid/OAO, CELCD 5002 (CD)
020 - ENVY: Arto Lindsay/Ambitious Lovers
    1996 - Virgin (UK), CDOVD469 (CD)
090 - LAST LIVE AT CBGB: DNA
    1993 - Avant (Japan), Avant 006 (CD)

DNA was his trio in the late '70s. Nobody knew how to play an instrument
but the urgency of the result is astounding. Although listed last, this is
the earlier stuff with Arto easily available (with Ikue Mori on drums).

Arto is often used as a percussionist: to add some color (I would even
prefer to say: to add some spices, and hot ones!). But what color!
As illustrated by his role in the first lineup of the Louge Lizards.
He is the one who makes the record a no-jazz record, even though
most of the tracks are jazz or jazz alike pieces. I am sure that many
people thought that the music would be better without Arto, or even
thought that Arto was just a gimmick to annoy jazz audiences. Anyway,
I doubt that I would play this record as often as I do if Arto was
not there.

The first Golden Palominos is still a record whose importance has not
faded. What Arto does with his skronk also works with his voice. You could
write at length about its imperfection, but you never stopped of being
astonished by the efficiency of the result.

I like a lot the Ambitious Lovers, and specially the first one (which
is also the most experimental of the three). ENVY is a great intro to
Arto (and Peter Scherer, let's not forget him!): the mellow, the
aggressive, the experimental, all his multiple facets are there. He
even wrote one of the most amazing song to me: Too Many Mansions.
Virgin had the great idea to reissue it (but why did they screw up
the colors of the sleeve...). The last trick has to be listened at
very high volume: Locus Coruleus.

Also, highly recommended is the killer piece on the second Golden Palominos:
  Only One Party!

To finish, Arto is the link between the experimental NY scene and the
rock scene (great influence on Zorn and Moss).

Arto is not a composer, he is not a skilled guitar player, he has not
even a great voice. Then how can he manage to be so interesting and
so exciting ? This is a mystery. It might show that what is more
needed in music, before technical skills, is something to say. And
Arto has a lot to say.

    Patrice.

------------------------------

From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 15:19:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Arto Lindsay

At 05:27 PM 1/3/97 -0500, Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:

>I couldn't find Aggregates 1-26 on the KF homepage last time i looked.
>From the one track i've heard it sounds like it would be a cool little
>album.  I'm completely ingnorant of Lindsay's stuff except for what i've
>heard on John Zorn records and a couple of early lounge lizards things.
>
>Where to start, o ye more learned than i?  Any albums which stand out as
>being the voice of genius?

Check out _Pretty Ugly_, with Peter Scherer, my favorite of his non-singing
albums (although he does sing on one track.)  A lot of electronic
experimentation, and Scherer's percussion is great.

Jeff Spirer
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
Axiom Records/Material Communications


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 15:43:51 -0800
Subject: Re: Arto Lindsay

On Fri, 03 Jan 1997 15:19:08 -0800  Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> At 05:27 PM 1/3/97 -0500, Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
>
> >I couldn't find Aggregates 1-26 on the KF homepage last time i looked.
> >From the one track i've heard it sounds like it would be a cool little
> >album.  I'm completely ingnorant of Lindsay's stuff except for what i've
> >heard on John Zorn records and a couple of early lounge lizards things.
> >
> >Where to start, o ye more learned than i?  Any albums which stand out as
> >being the voice of genius?
>
> Check out _Pretty Ugly_, with Peter Scherer, my favorite of his non-singing
> albums (although he does sing on one track.)  A lot of electronic
> experimentation, and Scherer's percussion is great.

I second that one also. Sophisticated music for a ballet and another
great music from the Arto-Peter collaboration (PRETTY UGLY reminds me
sometimes of ESPERANTO by Ryuichi Sakamoto, on which Arto plays also).

    Patrice.

------------------------------

From: a rancid amoeba <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:54:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: blood duster

>
> has anyone ever heard of the band: Blood Duster.  I stumbled across
> them on some web site.   All I know about them is that they are an
> australian Gore band who got their name from a Naked City song.  A
> review of them said they sounded something like a mix between Naked
> city and slayer or something...They have songs with titles like
> Fisting the dead...Sex with rotting corpses....etc...
>     If anyone has heard of them I would love to hear any reviews
> about their music...
>

Excellent stuff. Along the lines of Exit 13 and Anal Cunt. Short
intense grind tracks with lots of samples usually of the porn variety.
The coolest thing about their CD, though, is that there's a hidden
track before track one (start the first track then push the backwards
search button).

chanel


------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Herb Levy)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 10:40:57 -0800
Subject: Re: John Oswald, not (exactly) blood duster

>The coolest thing about their CD, though, is that there's a hidden
>track before track one (start the first track then push the backwards
>search button).

& that, in a nutshell, since his name came up on the list a couple of days
ago, is how to find the "hidden" track on John Oswald's GrayFolded, as
well.



Herb Levy
[e-mail]



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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:35:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Arto Lindsay

> Where to start, o ye more learned than i?  Any albums which stand out as
> being the voice of genius?

I'd add to the other fine recommendations Kip Hanrahan's first album,
_Coup de Tete_.  To my ears this is the best example of Lindsay's work as
extra spice in someone else's musical stew.  His banging and scraping here
is really rhythmically sophisticated.

     This raises a question in my mind about how unskilled (to paraphrase
Patrice) Lindsay really is.  Yeah, I know he doesn't know any chords, and
couldn't possibly play guitar like any normal guitarist.  But he's so good
(and has gotten better over the years) at playing like himself that I'd
assumed that he, well, practices.  Could it be that he simply chose to
approach the guitar as a new, found instrument and has actually achieved a
high degree of virtuosity in the approcah he's invented?  Or is he just an
intuitively brilliant flailer?  Speculation/inside information would be
welcome.

Chris




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From: [e-mail] (Allan Horrocks)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:53:51 -0800
Subject: commercial blurb re: Derek Bailey jungle cd

Normally I restrict my postings to Ruins-related irrelevancies, but today I
thought I'd let any interested listmember know that if you're still looking
for that very-hard-to-find because-it-was-never-imported-by-Sphere
who-normally- import-Avant-CDs Derek Bailey "Guitar, Drums and Bass" cd on
Avant, I know where you can get it:

Namely, Aquarius Records, the store where I work (I know, this is
shameless...), and we do mailorder.

We managed to get some copies of that, and also the equally scarce James
Plotkin Avant album, recently, direct from Japan.  And there's a few of the
Bailey left, I think four of them.  As a result of us having to get them
from Japan, though, they aren't cheap, let me warn you.  They'll cost you
$32 dollars plus postage ($2 first class, $3 priority - heck if you're
spending $32 on a CD, might as well get it priority mail, eh).

If anyone's interested, you can email the store at <[e-mail]>

Or call 415-647-2272.

Or, if you live in or near or want to visit San Francisco, stop by 1055
Valencia St. (between 21st and 22nd in the Mission) - though I'm sure all
SF Zornlistmembers are regular customers, right? ahem.

Also, as a further caveat to potential emptors (?), the word is that the
Bailey as well as other Avant titles will be getting a new distributor in
the States perhaps sometime this Spring...which means that if you wait
several months, you can get it for cheaper, supposedly.

But if you can't go another day without hearing what Derek Bailey and DJ
Ninj sound like togther, feel free to get in touch w/Aquarius.

Thanks - I hope this is helpful to someone - bye,
        Allan

PS - having now heard the disc in question, my feeling is that those who
like Derek Bailey will dig it more than jungle fans, perhaps not
surprisingly.  Especially if you like the kind of playing Bailey did on
that Tzadik CD with Ruins (there I go), or, if you were enamored of the
programming Ninj did on the Buckethead "Day of the Robot" cd, you'll find
the Avant album interesting and possibly quite enjoyable.





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