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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #41 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Friday, December 13 1996 Volume 02 : Number 041 In this issue: Christian Marclay Ornette Re: Christian Marclay Re: Christian Marclay Re: Christian Marclay Re: Christian Marclay [none] Re: George Lewis & Voyager Re: your mail Re: Ornette. Re: Christian Marclay >Footsteps Japan Re: Christian Marclay Re: Japan prepared guitar..... Re: prepared guitar..... Derek Bailey Re: prepared guitar..... Re: prepared guitar..... Re: George Lewis Re: George Lewis & Voyager Masada at the Knit.... MCE & Bar Kokhba Re: prepared guitar Re: MCE & Bar Kokhba Re: Masada at the Knit.... Is Hanukah over yet? (fwd) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:36:41 -0500 From: kmurren@wesleyan.edu (Keefe Murren) Subject: Christian Marclay Hey guys, I'm wondering something that's probably been asked on numerous ocasions so if someone wants to respond in person rather than creating a new strain of discusion that's fine, or just point out the date for me of a time when this wass discussed. I'm curious if anyone can tell me about Christian Marclay. I have, aside from the zorn albums he's on, his 10" More Encores and David Moss Dense Band as well as Manhattan Cascade and Confederacy of Dances. What I'm wondering is what other solo projects does Marclay have. I've heard of a disc called Love Improvisations, but I can't find any information about it. And what is he up to recently? I'm also wondering about his visual and performance art. Can anyone point me toward/send me some articles about that? I read a review once of a show he put on that consisted of sort of collages made with record covers (mostly assembling various body parts on record covers to form a single new body). I think you get the jist of my line of questioning. I'm totally fascinated by Marclay, but find information and albums scarce. Any info would be appreciated. I appologize if this has been discussed ad infinitum in the past. thanks. keefe. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 96 13:02 WET From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net> Subject: Ornette I have both the Paul Bley/ Ornette Coleman discs, and although they are each 1/2 or more Coleman compositions, I have to say that I don't listen to them much. Off the top of my head, I would think that they are ok, but if memory serves they "lack fire." I could be wrong though. To Jonathon Kaye. Thanx for the review. I planned my last trip to NYC poorly, and missed these shows by a week. I could kick myself. As far as I know in the last many years JZ has only come to the detroit area once, to do Cobra (which I enjoyed), but I'd love to actually see him play. So John, if you ever read this yourself, what does it take to get you to come to Detroit? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:46:44 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: silver whale <tkorpipa@siba.fi> Subject: Re: Christian Marclay On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Keefe Murren wrote: > I'm also wondering about his visual and performance art. I=ABve also heard about a number of this visual works, but can't remember= =20 any articles, but here's one: He did an installation what was covered in a finnish newspaper. It was=20 called 'Death Of Vinyl', if I remember correctly. It was a room with the=20 floor covered with fragile copies of rare blues, jazz, etc records=20 (propably copies with the labels reproduced, but who knows...) and the=20 audience WALKED on the records, slowly cracking these rare copies to=20 smaller and smaller pieces... I really liked this idea. teemu - ------------- e-mail: tkorpipa@siba.fi "There was coffee. Life would go on." Ruumen homepage: William Gibson:'The Winter Market' http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:03:07 -0800 From: insulin@slip.net (Marc Kate) Subject: Re: Christian Marclay >>snip<< > I'm also wondering about his visual and performance art. Can anyone >point me toward/send me some articles about that? I read a review once of >a show he put on that consisted of sort of collages made with record covers >(mostly assembling various body parts on record covers to form a single new >body). I think you get the jist of my line of questioning. I'm totally >fascinated by Marclay, but find information and albums scarce. Any info >would be appreciated. Check back issues of Artforum and Art in America. They both seem to write about him about once a year. Check your local library in their art indexes or go to your local art school for the same. He is also carried by Paula Anglim Gallery in San Francisco...had a show about a year ago. Very playful. My opinion: As much as he was a pioneer in turntable and pop music art, he has certainly stagnated. It is certainly not his responsibility to reinvent himself on a regular basis, but the only difference I can see in his work over the years is greater technical proficiency, and being able to do projects that require greater funding (100 turntables spinning at once). Much respect to the man. Marc Kate insulin@slip.net www.slip.net/~insulin/ POB 460102, San Francisco, CA. 94146-0102 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:11:15 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Christian Marclay On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:36:41 -0500 Keefe Murren wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I'm wondering something that's probably been asked on numerous > ocasions so if someone wants to respond in person rather than creating a > new strain of discusion that's fine, or just point out the date for me of a > time when this wass discussed. > I'm curious if anyone can tell me about Christian Marclay. I have, > aside from the zorn albums he's on, his 10" More Encores and David Moss > Dense Band as well as Manhattan Cascade and Confederacy of Dances. What > I'm wondering is what other solo projects does Marclay have. I've heard of You can check his discography at: http://www.nwu.edu/WNUR/jazz/artists/marclay.christian/ He has very few records under his name, and some of them are collector and ultra-limited editions, such as: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 006 - RECORD WITHOUT A COVER: Christian Marclay Recorded at Plugg, New York City, March 1985 1985 - Recycled Records (LP) Note: the pressing plant went out of business after the first 2000 copies. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 027 - RECORD WITHOUT GROOVES: Christian Marclay 12" black vinyl grooveless record with gold label in black suede poche with gold lettering. Edition of 50, signed and numbered, Ecart Editions, Geneve/New York, 1987. 1987 - Ecart Editions, ??? (LP) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 039 - FOOTSTEPS: Christian Marclay Produced and recorded by Christian Marclay 1990 - RecRec Music (Switzerland), RecRec 26 (single-sided LP) Note: taken for the record liner notes by Christian Marclay: "From June 4th through July 16th 1989 the floor of one of the Shedhalle galleries, Zurich, was covered with 3500 copies of a record titled FOOT- STEPS. During the six weeks of the installation, people were invited to walk on the records-willingly or not, they had to step on them to reach the adjacent galleries where other sculptures were exhibited. The one- sided record, containing the sopunds of footsteps, was recorded in Decem- ber 1988 in the deserted hallways of the Clocktower (N.Y.), and in the studios of Harmonic Ranch (N.Y.), where Keiko Uenishi's tap dancing was mixed in. During the gallery installation the work could be looked at, stepped on and walked through, but the recording was never heard, its content merely suggested by its title. Over the course of six weeks, more than 1500 visitors walked over the fragile floor, contributing to the final composition by altering the records' surface with dirt and scrat- ched. At the end of the exhibition, the records, which were attached to the floor with double-sided tape, were removed. The record enclosed in this package is one of them. When played, the footmark scratches and recorded footsteps blend in a final aleatory composition of rhythmic patterns, with as many variations as there are records. One thousand of these records have been made available, apart from a special edition of one hundred copies signed and numbered. Dedicated to the memory of Fred Astaire." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - SECRET: Christian Marclay ???? - ???, ?? (7" with padlock) Note: very limited edition -- five copies only! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > a disc called Love Improvisations, but I can't find any information about I guess you mean: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 049 - LIVE IMPROVISATIONS: Christian Marclay, Gunter Muller 1/ Pinata 2/ Dea Ex Machina 3/ Pfiff 2:58 4/ Sunny-Side Up 1:19 5/ Sore Eros 3:40 6/ Je Ne Vous Oublierai Jamais 1:03 7/ The Ransom Note 1:42 8/ Dreh-Moment 2:10 9/ Love Gasoline 1:54 10/ Vitalium 1:44 11/ A Rose Is A Rose Is A Rose ... 4:27 12/ Rififi 2:23 13/ Arrivederci 3:07 (1,2,6,9,11) recorded at Festival Nouvelles Scenes, Dijon, France, October 17, 1992 (3,8) recorded at Mimi Festival Visionare Schweiz, Dusseldorf, Germany, June 26, 1992 (4,5,7,10,12,13) recorded at Art 24'93, Basel, Switzerland, June 18, 1993 Christian Marclay: turntables; Gunter Muller: drums, electronics. 1994 - For 4 Ears (Switzerland), CD513 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A really crazy and great record, and fairly easy to find. > it. And what is he up to recently? There were rumors (never confirmed by any musician close to him) that he had stopped music a couple years ago. Fortunately, it does not seem to be the case because he has been quite active these past months. > I'm also wondering about his visual and performance art. Can anyone > point me toward/send me some articles about that? I read a review once of The discography list few articles. > a show he put on that consisted of sort of collages made with record covers > (mostly assembling various body parts on record covers to form a single new > body). I think you get the jist of my line of questioning. I'm totally > fascinated by Marclay, but find information and albums scarce. Any info > would be appreciated. > > I appologize if this has been discussed ad infinitum in the past. Any post/mail about Marclay is never long enough :-). I also love him and got really excited a couple weeks ago when somebody mentioned the following upcoming release: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 054 - WORKS 81-85: Christian Marclay 1997 (?) - Touch & Go (USA), ??? (CD) Note: not released yet. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:23:01 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Christian Marclay On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:46:44 +0200 (GMT+0200) silver whale wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Keefe Murren wrote: > > > I'm also wondering about his visual and performance art. > > I=ABve also heard about a number of this visual works, but can't remember= > =20 > any articles, but here's one: > > He did an installation what was covered in a finnish newspaper. It was=20 > called 'Death Of Vinyl', if I remember correctly. It was a room with the=20 > floor covered with fragile copies of rare blues, jazz, etc records=20 > (propably copies with the labels reproduced, but who knows...) and the=20 > audience WALKED on the records, slowly cracking these rare copies to=20 > smaller and smaller pieces... I really liked this idea. Are you not thinking about FOOTSTEPS? for which Marclay said: "From June 4th through July 16th 1989 the floor of one of the Shedhalle galleries, Zurich, was covered with 3500 copies of a record titled FOOT- STEPS. During the six weeks of the installation, people were invited to walk on the records-willingly or not, they had to step on them to reach the adjacent galleries where other sculptures were exhibited. The one- sided record, containing the sopunds of footsteps, was recorded in Decem- ber 1988 in the deserted hallways of the Clocktower (N.Y.), and in the studios of Harmonic Ranch (N.Y.), where Keiko Uenishi's tap dancing was mixed in. During the gallery installation the work could be looked at, stepped on and walked through, but the recording was never heard, its content merely suggested by its title. Over the course of six weeks, more than 1500 visitors walked over the fragile floor, contributing to the final composition by altering the records' surface with dirt and scrat- ched. At the end of the exhibition, the records, which were attached to the floor with double-sided tape, were removed. The record enclosed in this package is one of them. When played, the footmark scratches and recorded footsteps blend in a final aleatory composition of rhythmic patterns, with as many variations as there are records. One thousand of these records have been made available, apart from a special edition of one hundred copies signed and numbered. Dedicated to the memory of Fred Astaire." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:29:54 -0600 (CST) From: "J.Ross" <jaross@comp.uark.edu> Subject: [none] I know that this has been asked before, but I'm going to ask again....I've been looking for Elegy and (I know i'm going to spell this wrong) Kristal Nacht for a long time and I can't find them anywhere....I know they are on Tzadik. I live in a really backwards town and most record stores have no idea who or what zorn is...Are these cd credited to Zorn or one of his other bands? Also if anyone can give me any reviews of these albums I would be very greatful.... thanks J- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Batson <abatson@reed.edu> Subject: Re: George Lewis & Voyager Thanks, all, for the good info on the Voyager CD. I've been secretly worshipping George Lewis since first hearing 'Homage to Charles Parker.' News for Lulu is also really nice, but 'Homage' is the goods. Douglas Ewart's bass clarinet playing on the first track is some of the finest ever recorded (I play bass clarinet myself, if that means anything). The way Lewis integrates electronic sounds into jazz I find really compelling - - I'm a little sceptical about computer-generated music, but if anyone can pull it off, Lewis can. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU Subject: Re: your mail They have both been re-released, and are relatively available. They are both under zorn, although for kristalnacht, you may wand to search for "JUDE", also. Both are just incredible. I like elegy a little more, though. The ultimate in DARK! Sounds like s bondage session gone horribly wrong. Bottom line, get them. Try to call larger places and see about mail order. Most Big record stores accept mailorder. Pull out the ol' yellow pages, and take a gander. J I've been looking for Elegy and Kristal Nacht for a long time and I can't find them > anywhere....I know they are on Tzadik. I live in a really backwards > town and most record stores have no idea who or what zorn is...Are > these cd credited to Zorn or one of his other bands? > Also if anyone can give me any reviews of these albums ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 01:25:02 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu> Subject: Re: Ornette. On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, john shiurba wrote: > there are two records that i know of that predate the Contemporary LPs. One is called > Live At The Hillcrest 1958 and is credited to Paul Bley (on Inner City). The lineup is > Bley/ Coleman Cherry/ Haden Higgins. The second LP is called Coleman Classics (on > IAI) and has the same lineup. I think I remember seeing the same records with > different covers and possibly slightly different titles, but the same music. I have a CD called _The Fabulous Paul Bley Quartet_ which I believe duplicates _Live at the Hillcrest 1958_. (It contains performances of Coleman's "The Blessing" and "Free", as well as Parker's "Klactoveesedstene" and Roy Eldridge's "I Remember Harlem".) It's on a label called Musidisc, which appears to be French. It's certainly not the most essential Coleman record, but if you like the Contemporary records, you should pick it up. As far as I'm concerned, any Ornette performance is worth hearing, and how often do you get to hear one of the two greatest alto players ever do a tune associated with the other one? Chris Hamilton Dept. of Philosophy University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:04:07 +0100 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> (by way of Stephane Vuilleumier <svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch>) Subject: Re: Christian Marclay >Footsteps Hi Marclay collectors, I just wanted to mention that I thought Footsteps was not sold out (yet) and probably can be ordered directly from RecRec Switzerland Try asking this email address: info.recrec@music.ch They also have a mailorder system: http://www.music.ch/recrec/mail.html#mail I'm not sure how this works outside europe but cuneiform/wayside is listed as a distributor in the states. Probably yesterday, Patrice wrote: >He has very few records under his name, and some of them are collector >and ultra-limited editions, such as: (many extremely rare items deleted) >039 - FOOTSTEPS: Christian Marclay > Produced and recorded by Christian Marclay > 1990 - RecRec Music (Switzerland), RecRec 26 (single-sided LP) > "From June 4th through July 16th 1989 the floor of one of the Shedhalle > galleries, Zurich, was covered with 3500 copies of a record titled FOOT- > STEPS. During the six weeks of the installation, people were invited to > walk on the records-willingly or not, they had to step on them to reach > the adjacent galleries where other sculptures were exhibited. and On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:46:44 +0200 (GMT+0200) silver whale wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Keefe Murren wrote: > > I'm also wondering about his visual and performance art.> > I=ABve also heard about a number of this visual works, but can't remember= > =20 > any articles, but here's one: > He did an installation what was covered in a finnish newspaper. It was=20 > called 'Death Of Vinyl', if I remember correctly. It was a room with the=20 > floor covered with fragile copies of rare blues, jazz, etc records=20 > (propably copies with the labels reproduced, but who knows...) and the=20 > audience WALKED on the records, slowly cracking these rare copies to=20 > smaller and smaller pieces... I really liked this idea. >> Are you not thinking about FOOTSTEPS? for which Marclay said: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:55:08 -0500 From: willc@alienskin.com (Will Connor) Subject: Japan Come on!!! There has got to be somebody that can tell me what great stuff there is to do and buy while I am in Japan, Jonzin' for some Zorn!!! In case you missed it, here's what's up: I am going to Japan soon and I want to spend my money on shows and CD's and I want to track down fun musicians and maybe even play with them if that is a possibility. Does anybody have info to help me in my quest? Thanks. Special thanks to Jeff Spirer, who has been the only person to acknowledge my urgent question! Best regards, Willaim Klugh Connor III International Sales Co=F6rdinator ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:21:18 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: Christian Marclay On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:03:07 -0800 Marc Kate wrote: > > >>snip<< > > I'm also wondering about his visual and performance art. Can anyone > >point me toward/send me some articles about that? I read a review once of > >a show he put on that consisted of sort of collages made with record covers > >(mostly assembling various body parts on record covers to form a single new > >body). I think you get the jist of my line of questioning. I'm totally > >fascinated by Marclay, but find information and albums scarce. Any info > >would be appreciated. > > Check back issues of Artforum and Art in America. They both seem to write > about him about once a year. Check your local library in their art indexes > or go to your local art school for the same. > > He is also carried by Paula Anglim Gallery in San Francisco...had a show > about a year ago. Very playful. > > My opinion: As much as he was a pioneer in turntable and pop music art, he > has certainly stagnated. It is certainly not his responsibility to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You are talking like somebody who lives in the same city as Marclay and can see him playing every week at the lounge club down to your loft. Although I do not considered myself as a specialist of Marclay, I have been following him quite a bit and do not see how you can make such a comment. The man has barely recorded anything in the past 3-4 years, and, correct me if I am wrong, he has played very little these past years until recently. My question is: on what record/concert/collaboration do you base your comment? I am not saying that you are wrong, but you definitely seem to know a lot about Marclay and I am eager to know your sources. > reinvent himself on a regular basis, but the only difference I can see in > his work over the years is greater technical proficiency, and being able to > do projects that require greater funding (100 turntables spinning at once). > Much respect to the man. Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:48:22 GMT From: N Vassiliou <nv102@york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Japan <Special thanks to Jeff Spirer, who has been the only person to acknowledge <my urgent question! not many people have been to Japan, mate.... Have a nice time Nick V. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:02:54 PST From: gsg@juno.com Subject: prepared guitar..... hello, someone mentioned Zorn's First Recordings disc a while back...i think, or maybe i'm seeing things....anyway, just though i'd contribute my opinion to one of the tracks.... Wind Ko/La....Zorn on solo guitar. i think its one of the most amazing guitar pieces i have ever heard....no joke. there are alot of interesting things going on in this piece. the way he plays the guitar percussivley, the little prepared stuff he does, or maybe its just a slide, i get the feeling he weaves things in the strings at some point. oh yeah, and this piece could have been played by an 8 year old, i still think its great! :) being that it was recorded in 1973, it made me think....who was one of the first guitarists to mess around with prepared guitar? being a guitarist myself, i'm always trying to use my guitar to make sounds that are not common to the average electric, or acoustic guitar, without the aide of electronics(which i use to sometimes) on the same note...has anyone ever heard of a guitarist Janet Fedder? she has an album out called Icymi(i think thats the way its spelled) i read something about it in a CD review mag. and it sounds really interesting. she plays acoustic guitar and does alot of prepared stuff on the acoustic. anyone know anything about her? where i can get her disc?? its on the Brainbox label....any help would be greatly appreciated.... later Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:03:44 -0500 From: prospero <killick@connix.com> Subject: Re: prepared guitar..... The prepared guitar goes way back... For years people and composers have been looking for different ways to approach their instruments, sometimes making mechanical modifications. Probably the most inspiring (or at least well-known) was John Cage's prepared piano, for which he wrote several pieces. Also of influence to Zorn etc. I'm sure was Harry Partch- who heard a forty-three (or was it forty-two) tone octave and modified old home organs so they would play his new tuning system, as well as building many unique instruments of his own. Of the guitar, I couldn't rightly say who was the first, though I think Fred Frith might have been doing it before JZ got the idea, and I'm sure there were people before that in garages and basements doing all sorts of unsightly things to their instruments (though how many became famous later is another question entirely...). I suppose you could say Les Paul was the first when he pulled the needle out of his record player and stuck it in his guitar and voila! The electric guitar was born... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:14:29 +0100 (MET) From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk> Subject: Derek Bailey Who is the "special guest" playing with Derek Bailey at the Knitting Factory tomorrow? Pat Metheny? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:38:15 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: prepared guitar..... >The prepared guitar goes way back... For years people and composers have >been looking for different ways to approach their instruments, sometimes >making mechanical modifications. Probably the most inspiring (or at >least well-known) was John Cage's prepared piano, for which he wrote >several pieces. Also of influence to Zorn etc. I'm sure was Harry >Partch- who heard a forty-three (or was it forty-two) tone octave and >modified old home organs so they would play his new tuning system, as >well as building many unique instruments of his own. Of the guitar, I >couldn't rightly say who was the first, though I think Fred Frith might >have been doing it before JZ got the idea, and I'm sure there were >people before that in garages and basements doing all sorts of unsightly >things to their instruments (though how many became famous later is >another question entirely...). I suppose you could say Les Paul was the >first when he pulled the needle out of his record player and stuck it in >his guitar and voila! The electric guitar was born... I may be wrong, but I think Keith Rowe of AMM was the first to record prepared guitar, in the mid 1960's. He acknowledges Cage as an influence, but I think he was the first to apply Cage's concepts to electric guitar. Rowe probably inspired Frith, and most of the other prepared guitarists since. He's still one of the major performers on the instrument as well. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:55:24 -0800 (PST) From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU Subject: Re: prepared guitar..... I'm just curious what prepared guitar, and prepared piano is. I saw this on the back of the Bar Kokhba double CD, but don't know what it is. Can someone shed some light? Thanks. J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:50:00 -0800 From: Nick Roberts <nroberts@ctrl-z.com> Subject: Re: George Lewis When George Lewis did a performance of his new electronic music at the Los Angeles Museum of Contemporary Art about two months ago, Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore (of Sonic Youth) were sitting among the blown-away members of the audience. Obviously George has followers outside of the jazz maelstrom. I have some recordings he's done down at UC San Diego, where he teaches composition and performance. Unfortunately the quality is very bad. Nick Roberts At 03:55 PM 12/10/96 -0800, you wrote: >Thanks, all, for the good info on the Voyager CD. I've been secretly >worshipping George Lewis since first hearing 'Homage to Charles Parker.' >News for Lulu is also really nice, but 'Homage' is the goods. Douglas >Ewart's bass clarinet playing on the first track is some of the finest >ever recorded (I play bass clarinet myself, if that means anything). The >way Lewis integrates electronic sounds into jazz I find really compelling >- I'm a little sceptical about computer-generated music, but if anyone can >pull it off, Lewis can. > >Andrew > > > > Ctrl-Z Media Group 795 42nd Avenue San Francisco, CA 94121 (415) 387-4523 nroberts@ctrl-z.com http://www.ctrl-z.com ******************************************************************* "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat. "We're all mad here." ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:05:17 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew C Weiner <mcwst5+@pitt.edu> Subject: Re: George Lewis & Voyager Concerning the "Voyager" program: The "Voyager" CD is 4 tracks of Lewis and the computer, 4 tracks of Roscoe Mitchell and the computer, and 1 track of Lewis and Mitchell. The Mitchell tracks are slightly longer but I wouldn't say they form the bulk of the album. On Evan Parker's "Phonomanie III--Synergetics," Voyager appears on 5 tracks: w/Thebe Lipere on imbubu, w/Lipere and Lewis (I believe this starts w/ Lipere on percussion and Voyager, and then Voyager switches off and Lewis starts playing), w/Motoharu Yoshizawa on bass, w/Lewis, and w/Parker on sax. (This is a Company-like project, with improvisors playing in different combinations.) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:53:23 PST From: gsg@juno.com Subject: Masada at the Knit.... hello all... I saw Masad lastnight, minus Baron, at the Knitting Factory....was a great show!! Its been over a year since i have seen Masada, and it was so nice to get to hear them live once again!! The setting was great too, they played on the floor of the main space....really made for a more intimate show. I'm going to check out the string trip tonight....that should be an interesting combo to do these tunes, the slower, dark tunes will sound great with that combo!! :) On a totally different subject.....prepared guitar. can anyone recommend some players to check out who do extensive preparations to the guitar?? acoustic or elec.? people other than the obvious.....like FF :) i've been searching for a CD by Janet Fedder called Icymi(i think thats how its spelled) i read a review on it in some CD mag and it sounds really interesting...she plays prepared acuostic guitar on most of the album....its on the Brainbox label(i'm 99% sure of that)....anyone know of this release??? later Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:49:50 -0800 From: chavez@netrax.net (Chavez-Paul) Subject: MCE & Bar Kokhba Hi out there, Just picked up Masada Chamber Ensembles double disc set and fell in love with it! I notice on the spine it has the number 8. Does this mean it's Masada 8 or is there another series of discs that this goes with? Is this part of the "Radical Jewish Culture" series? Overall, I would highly recommend getting this collection. I wasn't sure about what the guitar would sound like, but it fits in rather well insofar as I don't readily notice it. The feeling I get on this release is more of a coffee house atmosphere. Very relaxed but professional. The outer info sheet (the thing that wraps around the edge and tells you a little about the release) mentions that some of this material was recorded for a film and I was expecting something like "Filmworks 2". However, I can't tell what was recorded for the film and what was not... this is a good thing mind you. The music is a great spin on the Masada material. I have Masada 1, 2, & 5. I only notice that the ensemble plays three tracks (maybe four) off of these three releases. Does this mean that either A) a lot of material on this disc is new or B) a lot of the material is taken from other Masada releases. Perhaps all of Masada 4? Another thing, does anyone know what these titles mean? A final thing... is it just me or does anyone else feel that once you have a couple of the Masada albums, you've pretty much heard them all? (can't wait for the backlash on this one) Hope someone comments. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:23:59 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu> Subject: Re: prepared guitar On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 gsg@juno.com wrote: > On a totally different subject.....prepared guitar. > can anyone recommend some players to check out who do extensive > preparations to the guitar?? acoustic or elec.? > people other than the obvious.....like FF :) You should certainly check out Hans Reichel's work on FMP if you're interested in prepared and modified guitar. I'm not familiar enough with his work to make authoritative recommendations, but the record I have, _Bonobo Beach_, is quite nice and even contains diagrams of the various modifications used. Chris Chris Hamilton Dept. of Philosophy University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:37:11 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu> Subject: Re: MCE & Bar Kokhba On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Chavez-Paul wrote: > A final thing... is it just me or does anyone else feel that once you > have a couple of the Masada albums, you've pretty much heard them all? I had this reaction myself after the first three, but I've since come to my senses. Seriously, I think this is the partly the result of Zorn's past tendency to make each record a radical departure from the past. We Zorn fans have been spoiled by not having to notice the relatively subtle differences that generally discriminate between albums by the same artist. I could imagine someone new to jazz asking the same question about Ornette Coleman's Atlantic quartets, or the records of either of Miles Davis's great quintets. (Not that I think the Masada records are quite on the level of those classics.) I'm not saying that you need to own every Masada record, but there are definite differences. And, by the way, _Gimel_, is, in my opinion, the best of the lot. Chris Chris Hamilton Dept. of Philosophy University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:28:11 -0700 From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com> Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit.... > On a totally different subject.....prepared guitar. > can anyone recommend some players to check out who do extensive > preparations to the guitar?? acoustic or elec.? > people other than the obvious.....like FF :) the most notorious prepared guitarist is Keith Rowe who plays with AMM. He began doing this stuff in the mid sixties, so he's pretty much the pioneer, as far as i know. nearly any AMM recording will give you an idea of what he's capable of, except for "It was an ordinary day..." which (unfortunately) he plays traditionally on. Especially recommended are the recordings from the 80's and 90's where you can really hear what he's doing--try "Newfoundland", "Generative Themes" or "Live in Allentown" - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 04:57:34 -0500 (EST) From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com> Subject: Is Hanukah over yet? (fwd) Those gift ideas keep coming! > >What's freylach, builds muscle tone, and has people humming oy vey iz >mir to the tune of "By Mir Bist Du Sheyn"? Shvitz! My Yiddishe Workout, >that's what! 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