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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #8
Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
Precedence:
zorn-list Digest Wednesday, 7 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 008
In this issue:
Re: Don Byron
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #7
Re: Zorn and Cronenberg
Mike Patton Trio
Re: Masada lineups
Re: masada questions
cobra
Re: cobra
Re: Mike Patton Trio
chamber masada
Re: Mike Patton Trio
Re: chamber masada
Dave Douglas "5"
Re: masada lineups
Re: Mike Patton Trio
Re: masada questions
Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
Re: Mike Patton Trio
Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
Re: cobra
masada releases?
filmworks films
blocked mail
Re: masada releases?
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From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 13:46:11 +0000
Subject: Re: Don Byron
> > does anyone know of any collaborations between him and zorn? or anything
> > other than the classic guide to strategy where zorn plays clarinet?
clarinet was among his arsenal of instruments on most of his recordings up through
the early 80s. Also, there's an (uncharacteristically straight) clarinet solo on
Spillane
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
------------------------------
From: Les_Rhoda@voyager.umeres.maine.edu (Les Rhoda)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:40:30 -0400
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #7
I knew Down Beat sucked.
Nice post bro! ;-)
Im def. into your new Fris/Zorn stuff. I HAVE to have Masada w/ Fris !!!
Is it a DAT clone?
Im currently on the phone pretending to listen, so ill write you later
Les
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:33:20 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Re: Zorn and Cronenberg
jascha wrote:
> Well, i don't know what the relation between zorn and cronenberg
> is...perhaps zorn did some some work for the latest cronenberg movie
> 'crash',
Nope, Howard Shore wrote it (Shore made the soundtracks for (almost) all of
Cronebergs films since "The Brood" ('79))
BUT, I just found out that Cronenberg directed five of the Nike Air 180
commercials in 1990. I can understand that "Filmworks 3" has Zorn's music for
commercials, maybe the liner notes (if there are any) explaines if that's
the connection between Zorn and Cronenberg. The only thing that disapointed me
about "Filmworks 2", was that Zorn hadn't written any liner notes. The ones
in the first "Filmworks" are pretty interesting.
Jonas
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:33:51 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Mike Patton Trio
Who are the two others in the Mike Patton Trio?
Jonas
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:34:40 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Re: Masada lineups
IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote:
> Here is a list of all the people that I know of who've played with Masada.
(list cut)
> Any more?
Well, Kato Hideki and I'm also pretty sure Trevor Dunn from Mr. Bungle.
Jonas
------------------------------
From: "Mason Wendell" <prelapse@pop.tiac.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 06:27:48 +0000
Subject: Re: masada questions
> From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 14:40:19 -0400
> To: jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, zorn-list@xmission.com
> Subject: Re: masada questions
> I was thinking about the different lineups of Masada. Here is a list of all
> the people that I know of who've played with Masada. Some were actual
> members, but some just sat in for a gig, or just a couple of tunes.
>
> Zorn
> Dave Douglas
> Greg Cohen
> Joey Baron
> Kenny Wollenson
> Ben Goldgerg
> Sebastian Steinberg
> Mike Sareen
> Marc Ribot
> John Medeski
> Billy Martin
> Chris Wood
> John Lurie
> Bill Frisell
> Anthony Coleman
>
> Any more?
>
I saw "Chamber Masada" play in NYC a few months ago. Mark Feldman on
violin, Erik Freidlander(sp?) on cello, and Greg Cohen on bass.
I'm sure there are Masada-ists than this. Anyone else?
************************************************************
* Mason Wendell *
* bassist\composer *
*Prelapse- Naked City's music & new music for loud ensemble*
************************************************************
------------------------------
From: Kurt Gottschalk <kcg6@columbia.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: cobra
i remember reading that one of the cobra cds has an explanation or list of
rules in the notes. is there any other way to get a hold of this?
i went to the knit gig -- no thurston, but a lot of fun. i've seen it
before (and have some theories about the structure) but i've never heard
any of the cds. i can't imagine that they would be as strong as seeing it
live (nor as good a all the other cds i'm yet to buy), but i owuld love
the elucidation contained in whichever one has those notes.
thanks
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 08:27:28 -0700
Subject: Re: cobra
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Kurt Gottschalk wrote:
>
> i remember reading that one of the cobra cds has an explanation or list of
> rules in the notes. is there any other way to get a hold of this?
For a fairly extensive description of the rules, you can check:
* American Composers - Dialogues on Contemporary Music, by Edward
Strickland
Contains an interview of John Zorn by Edward Strickland (pp. 124-140)
Indiana University Press, 1991 (ISBN 0-253-35498-6)
>
> i went to the knit gig -- no thurston, but a lot of fun. i've seen it
> before (and have some theories about the structure) but i've never heard
> any of the cds. i can't imagine that they would be as strong as seeing it
> live (nor as good a all the other cds i'm yet to buy), but i owuld love
> the elucidation contained in whichever one has those notes.
>
> thanks
>
>
------------------------------
From: "J.Ross" <jaross@comp.uark.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:08:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Mike Patton Trio
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
> Who are the two others in the Mike Patton Trio?
>
> Jonas
>
I've never heard of the Mike Patton Trio...How would you describe
them and do they have any recordings? If they do where might someone
find one?
thanks
J-
------------------------------
From: alistair@axionet.com (Alistair Durie)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 11:35:07 -0700
Subject: chamber masada
>I saw "Chamber Masada" play in NYC a few months ago. Mark Feldman on
>violin, Erik Freidlander(sp?) on cello, and Greg Cohen on bass.
>I'm sure there are Masada-ists than this. Anyone else?
I've seen dave douglas play with feldman and freidlander in his string group
(not the tiny bell trio), and I was really impressed. Looking to know more
about the douglas string group and involvement with zorn/masada - has
anything been recorded, any projects ahead? Anything...
Alistair.
------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:22:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Mike Patton Trio
At 12:08 PM 8/6/96 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>
>> Who are the two others in the Mike Patton Trio?
>>
>> Jonas
>>
>I've never heard of the Mike Patton Trio...How would you describe
>them and do they have any recordings? If they do where might someone
>find one?
>thanks
>J-
>
>
>
I'd bet cash money that that's the trio with Zorn and Ikue Mori that's
playing the Knitting Factory on August 16 and I think San Francisco just
before that.
------------------------------
From: Greg Harness <harness@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:16:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: chamber masada
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Alistair Durie wrote:
> I've seen dave douglas play with feldman and freidlander in his string group
> (not the tiny bell trio), and I was really impressed. Looking to know more
> about the douglas string group and involvement with zorn/masada - has
> anything been recorded, any projects ahead? Anything...
The newest release from Dave Douglas is _Five_ and features Feldman and
Freidlander and if memory serves Mark Dresser on bass. I haven't heard
it yet. Those of us who live in the backwoods have to mail order all the
good stuff.
Greg Harness
CAHE Computer Resources
Washington State University
mailto:harness@wsu.edu
http://coopext.cahe.wsu.edu/~harness/
------------------------------
From: "Allen Huotari" <allenh@smtpgate.tais.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 14:42:01 PST
Subject: Dave Douglas "5"
>>>The newest release from Dave Douglas is _Five_ and features Feldman
>>>and Freidlander and if memory serves Mark Dresser on bass. I
>>>haven't heard it yet. Those of us who live in the backwoods have
>>>to mail order all the good stuff.
actually, a few of us on the Zornlist have been looking for the new
Dave Douglas for some time and have yet to see it
and we live in major metro areas (not the backwoods)
we've tried to mail order it only to be told it's indefinitely "out of
stock"
so...has anyone out there actually seen this disc and if so where?
ajh
------------------------------
From: Stefan.Negele@munich.netsurf.de (Stefan Negele)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:47:53 MEZ
Subject: Re: masada lineups
> I was thinking about the different lineups of Masada. Here is a list of all
> the people that I know of who've played with Masada. Some were actual
> members, but some just sat in for a gig, or just a couple of tunes.
>
...list deleted...
>
> Any more?
Trevor Dunn (from Mr.Bungle) upright bass
"Dougie Brown" (sp?) drums Cologne 1994
and some street musician got to play at one of the encores Amsterdam June 96
Stefan
- --
EMail: Stefan.Negele@munich.netsurf.de
or: Stefan.Negele@mch.sni.de
WWW : http://cv.org/database
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:10:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Mike Patton Trio
In a message dated 96-08-06 05:42:54 EDT, zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk (Torsten
Nielsen) writes:
> Who are the two others in the Mike Patton Trio?
>
Are you talking about the Patton/ Zorn/ Mori gig at the Knit? I didnt know
that's how it was billed, or maybe you are referring to something else..
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:10:23 -0400
Subject: Re: masada questions
In a message dated 96-08-06 06:39:40 EDT, prelapse@pop.tiac.net (Mason
Wendell) writes:
> I saw "Chamber Masada" play in NYC a few months ago. Mark Feldman on
> violin, Erik Freidlander(sp?) on cello, and Greg Cohen on bass.
> I'm sure there are Masada-ists than this. Anyone else?
> ************************************************************
> * Mason Wendell
When and where was this gig?? I would have been there had I know about it.
This sounds really interesting.
Jody
------------------------------
From: xander@sirius.com
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:05:33 -0700
Subject: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
Seems like there's generally been a bit of interest on the list in the
Subsonic series. I just spotted a mention of #4 for the first time tonight
(in the Rough Trade Shop's catalogue). Featured artists this time around
are:
CASPAR BROTZMANN + PAIGE HAMILTON
neither of whom I've ever heard (I've never even heard of Hamilton).
I also spotted an Ikue Mori title that's new to me:
Garden
That's it for news. Reviews anyone?
Alexander
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:31:01 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Re: Mike Patton Trio
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Steve Smith wrote:
> I'd bet cash money that that's the trio with Zorn and Ikue Mori that's
> playing the Knitting Factory on August 16 and I think San Francisco just
> before that.
How much cash are we talking about? :) The Mike Patton Trio is Mike,
David Slusser and Han Bennink. They will be playing in Austria in a few
weeks.
Jonas
------------------------------
From: silver whale <tkorpipa@siba.fi>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:04:53 +0200 (GMT+0200)
Subject: Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 xander@sirius.com wrote:
[clip]
> CASPAR BROTZMANN + PAIGE HAMILTON
>=20
> neither of whom I've ever heard (I've never even heard of Hamilton).
Page (I think it is just Page, I may be wrong) Hamilton is the=20
guitarist/singer for Helmet, who could be described as mixture of=20
Reich/Glass minimalism and grunge, with a little down town influence=20
thrown in. He used to play in Glenn Brancha=ABs (sorry if I misspelled the=
=20
name...) ensemble.=20
> I also spotted an Ikue Mori title that's new to me:
>=20
> Garden
New to me also. Anybody have this?
teemu
_-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D=
- -__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-_
'I can't forget...
tkorpipa@siba.fi but I don't remember what'
-Leonard Cohen-
_-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D=
- -__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-_
------------------------------
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <wilson@suba.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:45:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
>Seems like there's generally been a bit of interest on the list in the
>Subsonic series. I just spotted a mention of #4 for the first time tonight
>(in the Rough Trade Shop's catalogue). Featured artists this time around
>are:
>
> CASPAR BROTZMANN + PAIGE HAMILTON
>
>neither of whom I've ever heard (I've never even heard of Hamilton).
>
>I also spotted an Ikue Mori title that's new to me:
>
> Garden
>
>That's it for news. Reviews anyone?
Page Hamilton is the guy behind Helmet. I've also heard he plays on some
new Praxis album that is in production....
The series is pretty good. Each artist contributes their own tracks,
though, rather than a collaberation, which would have more interesting
I have two releases in the series, 1 being Bill Laswell and Nick Bullen (ex
of Scorn) . The Laswell segment is exceptional, and anyone who is a fan of
his dub/trance should go out of their way to find it. The Nick Bullen
piece is a little too 'street beat' for my tastes. The other album I have
is Justin Broaderick (Godflesh, God, and Techno Animal)/Andy Hawkins (Blind
Idiot God (( whatever happened to them???))) This is a great album as
well, pretty trippy....
Anyone heard the disk with Ribot?
read icculus
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 08:28:55 -0700
Subject: Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:05:33 -0700 xander@sirius.com wrote:
>
> Seems like there's generally been a bit of interest on the list in the
> Subsonic series. I just spotted a mention of #4 for the first time tonight
Sure!
> (in the Rough Trade Shop's catalogue). Featured artists this time around
> are:
>
> CASPAR BROTZMANN + PAIGE HAMILTON
>
> neither of whom I've ever heard (I've never even heard of Hamilton).
^^^^^^^^
Hamilton started to play (some even say learnt to) in Band Of Susans. Like
many NY musicians, he was involved in some of Glenn Branca's projects.
Lately he has been leading the rock band Helmet.
Caspar is of course the son of who you know. He is a guitar player with
a strong bend on the experimental side. I am not too crazy about Massaker
(his band), but I really enjoyed his duo with F.M. Einheit (from E.N.'s fame).
> I also spotted an Ikue Mori title that's new to me:
>
> Garden
That's her first solo record on Tzadik. Is it really out? It was announced
for August 20.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:22:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: cobra
The version on hat art that i've got has some liner notes and a little
diagram showing what all the different hand sings mean, but it's fairly
inscrutible as far as figuring out how everything is employed. Some of
the names of various manoevres aren't self-explanitory at all. If you
sned me your address, i'll mail you a photocopy.
- -jascha
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Kurt Gottschalk wrote:
> i remember reading that one of the cobra cds has an explanation or list of
> rules in the notes. is there any other way to get a hold of this?
>
> i went to the knit gig -- no thurston, but a lot of fun. i've seen it
> before (and have some theories about the structure) but i've never heard
> any of the cds. i can't imagine that they would be as strong as seeing it
> live (nor as good a all the other cds i'm yet to buy), but i owuld love
> the elucidation contained in whichever one has those notes.
>
> thanks
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:27:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: masada releases?
So, does anyone know when Masada #7, #8, 'chamber masada' or 'live in
jerusalem' are coming out? Hm?
Those of you with copies of masada shows with alternate lineups: if i
were very nice to you and sent you a tape and a SASE could i get a copy
too? I'd love to hear how some of these lineups interpret these
compositions.
- -jascha
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:33:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: filmworks films
i asked this before, but got no answer, possibly due to server
naughtiness, so...
-->Does anyone know how to get any of the films that john zorn
scored for? Has anyone seen them? Are they good?
- -jascha
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:30:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: blocked mail
I've tried writing email to a couple of people from this list, and the
server's been bouncing them back for some reason. Does anyone know why?
At any rate...
Message for Alain Potvin:
Hi, my mail to you was bounced twice. I got the tape, and you should have
yours by now as i sent it a while ago. Thanks!
Message for Wilson 'king of prussia':
Crash, the movie, showed at the cannes festival a few months ago, so
we'll be subjected to it very soon. Eek.
- -jascha
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 11:29:25 -0700
Subject: Re: masada releases?
On Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:27:37 -0400 (EDT) "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" wrote:
>
>
> So, does anyone know when Masada #7, #8, 'chamber masada' or 'live in
^^^^^^^^^
#7 has been announced. Not heard anything concerning #8.
> jerusalem' are coming out? Hm?
The Chamber Masada is:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - BAR KOKHBA: John Zorn
John Zorn: alto; Mark Feldman: violin; Erik Friedlander: cello; Greg Cohen:
bass; Marc Ribot: guitar; Anthony Coleman: keyboards; David Krakauer: cla-
rinet; John Medeski: organ, piano; Mark Dresser: bass; Kenny Wolleson:
drums; Chris Speed: clarinet; Dave Douglas: trumpet.
1996 - Tzadik (USA), 7108 (2xCD)
Note: not released yet (planned for August 20, 1996).
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Should be out this month.
Patrice.
PS: 199 records listed in the discography...
------------------------------
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