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Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #4
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zorn-list Digest Monday, 15 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 004
In this issue:
Re: Fred Frith
Frith
Re: Null and Tzadik
Live in China 100 CD set
Derek & the Ruins
Re: Null and Tzadik
Re: Live in China 100 CD set
a great show...
medeski, martin & wood
Re: medeski, martin & wood
Re: medeski, martin & wood
Re: a great show...
Re: Frisell acoustic group
Re: Masada in Central Park
Re: Masada in Central Park
Zorn/Haino and company
Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet
Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet
Re: medeski, martin & wood
Re: Eyvind Kang
Re: Mike Patton and such
Bill Laswell show
Re: Mike Patton and such
Re: Filmworks/Trespass
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From: temptation <tkorpipa@siba.fi>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:10:40 +0200 (GMT+0200)
Subject: Re: Fred Frith
On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
> Can anybody recommend me some of Fred Friths records (other than Naked=20
> City) ? =20
>=20
> Jonas
Every record under his own name (that I can remember now), including:
'Cheap At Half The Price' - The best lo-fi pop ever? Recorded on 4-track=
=20
at home with Frith playing almost all instruments (including Casio=20
organs, bass, guitar, etc...). The results are wonderfully fuzzy and=20
psychedelic and very infectious pop songs. (How many of you have found=20
yourself humming 'Some Clouds Don=ABt' over and over again...)
'Gravity' - Great folk-music-influenced album
'Speechless' - one of my favourites... Relies more on collage than the=20
others.
'Guitar Solos' - I mean the new-ish CD re-release which compiles a=20
best-of from the original 3 LPs. Mindblowing...
There=ABs propably many more. The =ABDeath Ambient=AB CD with Ikue Mori and=
the=20
bass player (can=ABt remember the name now) is also very good. Spookiest=20
ambient you have ever heard... :)
teemu
=09=09from: Teemu ---> tkorpipa@siba.fi
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
=09'I can't forget...
=09 but I don't remember what'
=09=09 -Leonard Cohen-
------------------------------
From: tbramy@oz.net (Todd Bramy)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:07:06 -0700
Subject: Frith
My favorite Frith record is still "Speachless" on Ralph. I have the LP, but
I do believe it's available on CD though on a different label. Anyone know
for sure?
Todd
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Todd Bramy
Seattle, Wa
<tbramy@oz.net>
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From: pmcarey@students.wisc.edu (Patrick Carey)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 05:48:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Null and Tzadik
>I was a bit disappointed by "Nai-Ha" by Zeni Geva. I heard Null was a "extreme
>guitar noise terror god" (or something like that), but "Nai-Ha" sounds like
>a not-to-special metal album to me (a pretty good one, though...).
So what is an "extreme guitar noise terror god" supposed to sound like?
Were you expecting Merzbow spewed forth from a guitar? Zeni Geva is a
metal band (in the general sense of the word) so don't expect anything
groundbreaking ... but they are also much more than that. To truly
experience ZG (Null's version of rock 'n' roll) one must see them live ...
the volume level of the music, the density of their sound, the precise time
changes, and the musical range of the band are amazing. When I last saw
them, they covered an Italian anti-fascist song. Check out their "Total
Castration" CD (Public Bath) and "Autofuck/When I Was On Horseback" 7"
(Skin Graft) to catch them at their best.
To hear Null's guitar/ultrasonik work, which is always more extreme &
experimental than anything he's done with ZG, check out his solo
recordings. They are definitely noisy, but they are not NOISE (as in
Merzbow, Masonna, Aube, Incapacitants, C.C.C.C. et al) ... In fact, Null
hates being classified as such. His "Saishiyu Bushitsu" LP (reissue on
Forced Exposure) from 1985, "Sonic Fuck USA" CD (Nux), "Flying Serpent" 10"
(4th Dimension), "Heavy Water" 7" (4th Dim), "Cryonics" 7" (Table of the
Elements), split 7"s with Lull (Alleysweeper), "Ultimate Material II" 2LP
(Dirter Promotions), "Ultimate Material III" CD (Manifold), "Absolute
Heaven" CD (Nux/Charnel) or his mid-eighties work with ANP (Absolut Null
Punkt) ... "Ultrasoinc Action" live album (Nux) are all great places to
start.
His collaborative releases contain some brilliant improv & ambient (for
lack of a better word) guitarwork. Check out his two most well known split
albums, "New Kind Of Water" (Nux/Charnel) with Jim O'Rourke and "Aurora"
(Sentrax) with Jimmy Plotkin from Old.
>Is his "Guitar Organism" album better? He plays with Jim O'Rourke, Fred
>Frith >and the guy from Melt-Banana on it. Is it improvised?
It's definitely improvised, but I wouldn't say that this makes it any
better than his work with ZG ... you can't really compare the two. IMO,
this record is amazing! The track with Frith, "Where We Exist", was
recorded live in Tokyo in 1990, and reminds me of their older split
cassette "20,000V Live". The O'Rourke piece, "Neuro Politics", is light
years ahead of "New Kind Of Water", if that says anything. This is a loud,
noisy & chaotic recording, but it also has some mellower moments.
Recommended.
- -Patrick
------------------------------
From: Andy Marks <amarks@parrot.mts.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 08:08:28
Subject: Live in China 100 CD set
I have a few questions/comments about this "Live in China 100 CD set".
Will all sets be the same or is each unique?
Most likely the same I would think, but I don't know for sure.
You never know.
Will each CD contain only one track?
This might be easier to produce if there were only one track per CD.
I would think that there would but again, I don't actually know.
Guesses on the total length of this monster?
I was thinking about 2 hrs worth of stuff.
Is this whole thing for real or it is a joke?
Sounds kinda funky, but you never really know with Zorn.
- -------------------------------------
E-mail: amarks@parrot.mts.com
Date: 7/10/96
Time: 8:8:28 AM
This message was sent by Chameleon
- -------------------------------------
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From: "D.J. Toman" <milesian@pristine.com.tw>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:32:45 GMT
Subject: Derek & the Ruins
Hi y'all,
I'm wondering, since the only store in town that has Tzadik CDs only ordered
ONE of each album, if I should pick up Derek & the Ruins? I don't like
_Yankees_ too much, nor much else I've heard with Derek Baily, except parts
of _Harras_. I'm wondering if The Ruins make the album worth hearing. Can
anyone help?
David
------------------------------
From: mcolonne@biomed.med.yale.edu (Matt Colonnese)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:48:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Null and Tzadik
Kinda getting off topic but I'm very curious
>When I last saw
>them, they covered an Italian anti-fascist song
Does anyone know the name or anything about this song, cause it also
appears at the end of the RuinsHatoba album (after 20minutes of chanting)
in version that just blows me away. It's the closest I've ever heard to
what I would imagine a gypsy-punk tune would sound like. Anyway when I saw
ZG they played it. Is this song popular in the Japanese underground or
something? What's going on?
- ------
"Finally, something that would bring people together...even if it kept them
apart, spatially."
------------------------------
From: 9208743d <9208743d@ntx.City.UniSA.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:12:57 +0930 (GMT+0930)
Subject: Re: Live in China 100 CD set
On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Andy Marks wrote:
> I have a few questions/comments about this "Live in China 100 CD set".
>
> Is this whole thing for real or it is a joke?
> Sounds kinda funky, but you never really know with Zorn.
>
> -------------------------------------
>
>
to the best of my knowledge, SOUND FACTORY (the record label which
produce the 100 cd set) is the distributer of Tzadik and Avant releases in
Hong Kong. the label also carries many of otomo yoshihide's
stuff and more. so it is a "legit" record company. although i have no
affiliation with SF whatsoever, but i think the 100 CD set is possibly
not a joke, though it certainly sounds pretty excessive to me.
vincent
9208743d@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au
------------------------------
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <wilson@suba.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:24:24 -0500
Subject: a great show...
I'm listening to Masada at CBGB's, 9.9.94 with Zorn, Ribot, and John
Medeski on organ and Billy Martin on drums right now. This show is so
incredible, the reworkings of the songs for different instrumentations is
brilliant, and they jam HARD. I really recommend everyone find tapes of
this show.....
Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
go see them live. I recommend 'Friday Afternoon in the Universe'. Their
live show is not to be believed until you've seen it for yourself....These
guys could change the face of modern music, especially if their following
grows any larger than it is already.
read icculus
------------------------------
From: mattg@mail.io.org (matt galloway)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:17:03 -0400
Subject: medeski, martin & wood
re:
Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music,
especially if their following grows any larger than it is already.
Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip
downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles
Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the
self-conscious funkiness.
mg
------------------------------
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <wilson@suba.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:43:24 -0500
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
>re:
> Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
>go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music,
>especially if their following grows any larger than it is already.
>
>Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip
>downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles
>Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the
>self-conscious funkiness.
You just have absolutely no clue, guy.
read icculus
------------------------------
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <wilson@suba.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:45:04 -0500
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
>re:
> Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
>go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music,
>especially if their following grows any larger than it is already.
>
>Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip
>downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles
>Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the
>self-conscious funkiness.
You just don't have a clue, guy.
read icculus
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:59:00 -0400
Subject: Re: a great show...
In a message dated 96-07-12 16:37:03 EDT, you write:
> I'm listening to Masada at CBGB's, 9.9.94 with Zorn, Ribot, and John
> Medeski on organ and Billy Martin on drums right now. This show is so
> incredible, the reworkings of the songs for different instrumentations is
> brilliant, and they jam HARD. I really recommend everyone find tapes of
> this show.....
I also recommend 9/19/93 Knitting Factory with Ribot. They did sound alot
different than the current Masada.
> Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album,
then
> go see them live. I recommend 'Friday Afternoon in the Universe'. Their
> live show is not to be believed until you've seen it for yourself....These
> guys could change the face of modern music, especially if their following
> grows any larger than it is already.
MMW are great, I have all their albums, I'm on their list, and I have many
live tapes of them. But they will never change the face of modern music.
Their growing following is made up mostly of young people who think what
they are doing is totally new, when its not. It is still great, however.
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:57:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Frisell acoustic group
In a message dated 96-07-08 11:30:28 EDT, you write:
> What's the lineup for the Bill Frisell Acoustic Group?
>
What are you referring to?? Is this a current group? I thought he was still
busy with his new quartet with Eyvind Kang, Ron Miles and Hank Roberts. He
doesnt play any acoustic with that group.
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:58:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Masada in Central Park
Masada did play an amazing set. Zorn definitely does not like being
videotaped. After he told the camera men off, he picks up the mic and says
"We dont wanna be videotaped, we came to play for YOU!". Then he walked back
over to his spot on the stage and dropped the mic straight down. He dropped
the mic again at the end of their set. I guess you could call it integrity,
but its all part of his downtown bad boy of jazz image. I'm not knocking him
in any way, dont get me wrong.
I dont know the tunes by name, but I do know that they played Hobah. And the
new drummer did a good job.
I was planning on going to Laswell's show tomorrow, but I dont think its
going to happen, with the storm headed this way. Major bummer. Remember
that buckethead is playing at the Wetlands on Monday. Maybe Bill will drop
by and sit in. But Fred Frith will be at the Knit tomorrow, so it may be a
musically worthwhile day afterall. It sure is nice living near a great music
scene. :)
------------------------------
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:57:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Masada in Central Park
> I was planning on going to Laswell's show tomorrow, but I dont think its
> going to happen, with the storm headed this way. Major bummer. Remember
> that buckethead is playing at the Wetlands on Monday. Maybe Bill will drop
> by and sit in. But Fred Frith will be at the Knit tomorrow, so it may be a
> musically worthwhile day afterall. It sure is nice living near a great music
> scene. :)
>
Also recommended tomorrow (Saturday) -- Zorn, Zeena Parkins, Ikue Mori,
Keiji Haino and Suzie Ibarra (terrific young drummer from David S. Ware
Quartet and William Parker's big band -- she's a student of Milford
Graves) @ Context Studios on Ave. A near 3rd. St.
------------------------------
From: JonAbbey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:23:25 -0400
Subject: Zorn/Haino and company
<<Also recommended tomorrow (Saturday) -- Zorn, Zeena Parkins, Ikue Mori,
Keiji Haino and Suzie Ibarra (terrific young drummer from David S. Ware
Quartet and William Parker's big band -- she's a student of Milford Graves)
@ Context Studios on Ave. A near 3rd. St. >>
I saw this show Friday night. If you can get there tomorrow, don't miss it.
It had kind of a Company Week feel to it, with different combinations of the
five musicians improvising on each piece. Haino's presence seemed to inspire
Zorn and the others. Early in the show Zorn played for about twenty minutes
straight, at his loudest and squawkiest. It was the most I've ever enjoyed
Zorn live. Haino mostly played guitar, with no vocalizing. On one piece,
though, he played some instrument that looked like a small portable
xylophone, but resonated like a gong and sounded almost electroacoustic in
its timbre. (I'd love to know what that instrument was, if anyone has a
clue.) The other musicians were also pretty great, with Susie Ibarra living
up to advance billing. There were also six dancers seemingly improvising
along with the musicians. All in all, a pretty remarkable show. If you're
going and you're sensitive to lousd volume, bring earplugs. Keiji Haino can
get pretty loud.
Jon
P.S. I saw Medeski, Martin, Wood open for Masada a few years ago at the
Cooler and thought they sucked. But who cares? If you like them, more power
to you. It seems like a silly discussion.
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 14:51:45 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet
>> What's the lineup for the Bill Frisell Acoustic Group?
>What are you referring to??
I saw some festival programs with gigs for B.F.A.G, but I now think that it
was a mistake, because I know he's touring with the Kang/Miles/Fowlkes
Quartet...
> busy with his new quartet with Eyvind Kang, Ron Miles and Hank Roberts.
Hank Roberts?!??! what about Curtis Fowlkes?
Jonas
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 10:29:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet
Of course it's Curtis Fowlkes, my mistake. I've seen them twice, I should
have known! I was listening to a tape that had Hank Roberts, and the name
was just stuck in my head.
------------------------------
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 09:59:17 -0800
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
>re:
> Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
>go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music,
>especially if their following grows any larger than it is already.
>
>Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip
>downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles
>Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the
>self-conscious funkiness.
>
>mg
Absolutely! I've never really gotten into Medeski et al, they've always
struck me as a kind of downtown-lite, watered down for mass consumption.
The deadhead contingent in my area have picked up on them, and I get sick
of hearing them described as some extreme form of jazz from people who've
never heard Zorn, Ribot, etc.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
-Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________
------------------------------
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 09:59:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang
>Hey,
>
> Eyving Kang's "7 NADEs" is amazing!!! Especially "Angel With Wings torn
>off." For those of you who like Eyvind Kang, he plays violin on a 35 minute
>song on the Sun City Girls 2CD 330,003 Crossdresser From Beyond The Rig
>Veda, which is also great, just thought I'd point that out. I listened to
I was a bit disappointed with 7 NADES, it didn't seem to be as extreme as
some of Eyvind's other projects. I really like his single on Rabid God
Inoculator Industries, though.
On a related, and self-promotional note, I have copies of the 7th Sign of
Stress 10" vinyl compilation, which features several tracks by Shovedevil
(Eyvind on violin, Mark France on guitar and clarinet, and myself on bass
and electronics). It's Eyvind's first release, from 1992. E-mail me if
you're interested.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
-Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________
------------------------------
From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 14:26:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Mike Patton and such
I read in a review that Phil Minton has done this before and better,
>I think the album is a classic in its own right. It is by no means easy
>listening, but to me it is thoroughly enjoyable.
i have'nt heard of Phil Minton. any more info would be great.
david
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:42:09 -0400
Subject: Bill Laswell show
In case anyone reads this soon, and can make it, the Laswell show at
Summerstage was rained out, and will be happening tonight at the Knitting
Factory, at 12:30 a.m.
It is still free. Frith will still be playing at 9 and 11 oclock.
------------------------------
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:45:01 +0000
Subject: Re: Mike Patton and such
david m rothbaum wrote:
>
> I read in a review that Phil Minton has done this before and better,
> >I think the album is a classic in its own right. It is by no means easy
> >listening, but to me it is thoroughly enjoyable.
>
> i have'nt heard of Phil Minton. any more info would be great.
phil minton is one of the (few) true greats of extended technique vocal
music. in the early 60's he made a name for himself (originally as a
trumpeter) in the mike westbrook orchestra, and since then has
performed and recorded with most of the big names in euro-free-improv.
his recordings are fairly voluminous (and not generally under his name),
but i would recommend a cd called "perceptions" on random acoustics. the
group is called axon, and features minton, marcio mattos
(cello/electronics) and martin blume (drums). this is a rather sparse
group improv recording where minton shows what he can do, and it's
pretty astonishing. if your tastes run more toward the rock gamut, check
out doran/studer/minton/ali/bates play the music of jimi hendrix. kinda
loopy interpretations of the hendrix songbook with minton offering some of
his vocal gymnastics
shiurba
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
------------------------------
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:27:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Filmworks/Trespass
>On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, RichardLadew wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know more about this film "Trespass?" It isn't that movie with
>> Ice-T and Ice Cube is it? I guess that would be a sort of interesting bit
>> of trivia.
>
The score to Trespass was done by Ry Cooder and Jon Hassell, and the CD of
the score (not the soundtrack compilation of rap tunes used in the film) is
a great record, if you ignore a couple of country-rock tunes at the end.
Very creepy mix of Cooder's twisted blues sensibility and Hassell's
so-called 4th-world music. I'm not sure how this relates to Zorn though...
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
-Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________
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