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From: Zorn List Digest
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 9:22 AM
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #194
Zorn List Digest Thursday, December 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 194
In this issue:
-
david shea's satyricon
Re: Kuryokhin's death
Re: Kuryokhin's death
Re: Covers
Re: david shea's satyricon
Re: Kuryokhin's death
Re: Covers
Re: Moondog, alive and well...
Re: Where to get the cello-CDs?
Re: Moondog, alive and well...
Re: more questions about music
Recent musician's death
Re: Recent musician's death
Hi everybody
Re: Recent musician's death
Re: Recent musician's death
Last Exit
Re: Last Exit
Re: Last Exit
Re: Where to get the cello-CDs?
Tim Berne
Re: Last Exit
Re: Tim Berne
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:40:44 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: david shea's satyricon
what is this album like?
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:03:38 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Kuryokhin's death
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:22:24 -0800 "Schwitterz" wrote:
>
>
> >> I was not aware of the death of Kuryokhin.
> >> The last time I saw him was at a concert in 1995,
> >> can somebody please send more details ?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> YVes
> >
> >He died in July 96, don't know the cause tho (maybe a heart attack).
> >
> >cya
> >brian
>
> This webpage http://connexus.apana.org.au/~joeb/kuryokhin.htm reveals the
> following:
>
> Kuryokhin was hospitalized since May 7 and died on July 9, 1996, from cancer
> of heart. There was not enough money ($200 000) for the operation that could
> have been performed with the help of Western doctors. It is scary. It is
I would not go so far... Some doctors seem always able to convince you
that they can do something, regardless how terminally ill you are... Might
help them to get a new BMW. Not sure it really does anything to the patient.
Heart cancer? Sounds like serious stuff to me. What these European doctors
could have done? Give him an extra couple months of life in a vegetative
state?
But if you imply that he could have been saved, that's another story and I
agree with you.
Patrice.
> scary that such a person lost his life because nobody cared to pay the
> money. Sergei Kuryokhin is buried in Komarovo, near St.Petersburg.
>
> s~Z
>
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:04:14 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Kuryokhin's death
>But if you imply that he could have been saved, that's another story and I
>agree with you.
>
> Patrice.
All of the text regarding Kuryokhin's death were words from the website, not
mine.
s~Z
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:03:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Shepherd <rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Covers
Actually, included in the exclusive rights of copyright is performance
rights. You are supposed to get a license to perform any copyrighted work
that you do not own the rights to. BUT, it's so easy to get away with it,
so most people don't worry about it. I know I don't. - Mike
"It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
- Harriet the Spy
*********************************
Mike Shepherd
rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu
Middle Tennessee State University
(615) 898-3652
*********************************
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:44:31 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: david shea's satyricon
>>>>> "ia" == ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
ia> what is this album like?
I posted a review of this a few months ago, which you can find at
ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/zorn-list/archive/zorn-list.9710.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:19:06 EST
From: Dgasque <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kuryokhin's death
In a message dated 97-12-16 10:29:54 EST, you write:
<< Kuryokhin was hospitalized since May 7 and died on July 9, 1996, from
cancer
of heart. There was not enough money ($200 000) for the operation that could
have been performed with the help of Western doctors. It is scary. It is
scary that such a person lost his life because nobody cared to pay the
money. Sergei Kuryokhin is buried in Komarovo, near St.Petersburg.
>>
I had heard the story, but not the details. It is indeed sad that money kept
him from fulfilling a larger dream. It is especially sad that there are
"artists" with maybe enough talent to fit under Kuryokhin's fingernail that
have millions of dollars.
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:34:09 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Covers
> Actually, included in the exclusive rights of copyright is performance
> rights. You are supposed to get a license to perform any copyrighted work
> that you do not own the rights to. BUT, it's so easy to get away with it,
> so most people don't worry about it. I know I don't. - Mike
this came up recently in the bay area-- basically the clubs are required to
pay ASCAP and BMI dues if they have a jukebox, live bands playing covers,
or in any way use protected music to bring in paying customers. there was
a local club here that had bands playing _almost_ entirely their own music
and decided to skip the BMI dues, then they were 'busted' by a BMI scout
who heard a band doing a cover in the club.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:56:30 -0500
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Moondog, alive and well...
John Q Citizen wrote:
> Err; I seem to recall some damn-fool Australian reports Moondog aka
> Louis Hardin shuffling off his mortal coil a while back. Well, I'm
> happy
> to report it ain't necessarily so - for all his years the wonderful Mr
>
> Moondog is fully alive, and prospering (still in Germany, so far as I
> know).
>
> Now that's a cause for rejoicing. Happy Yuletide, Hannukah,
> whatever...
>
>
This may seem rather strange for the Zorn list, but...
Moondog has an excellent new CD on Atlantic. Yes, that's right.
Actually is was recorded in 1994. Now the guy is about 80 something
years old, but the music is very fresh and creative. The title is Sax
Pax for Sax. It's by Moondog and the london saxophonic. I would
describe the music as a mix of German theater courtesy of Weill, throw
in some saxophone choir, some King Oliver, a bit of accordian that is
actually the sax choir, and some delightfully playful vocals. Oh yes, a
few suites, some Shakespeare, and Mr. Moondog's earnest bass drum. Then
there's the cut "Paris." Once you hear this you'll never be the same.
You will have this tune implanted into your brain and find yourself
singing it in the shower day after day. "Paree, Paree, da da da da da
da."
Alan Kayser
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:24:02 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Where to get the cello-CDs?
Friedrich Feger wrote:
> Erik Friedlaender's Chimera: THE WATCHMAN is on Tzadik, isn't it? Although
> my local record store (JPC Germany, quite a big mail order catalogue) has a
> lot from Tzadik, e.g. Zorn's work, they don't have this one. It also wasn't
> in the Koch Catalogue they showed me. Thud.
I don't think Koch distributes Tzadik in Germany... I believe it's actually 99
Distribution or something like that.
> Maya Beiser: GUDAIDULINA AND USVOLSKAYA?
Koch International Classics, most definitely distributed by Koch in all
territories.If you're into online ordering, everything Koch USA distributes is
available through CDNow (www.cdnow.com).
Nobody anywhere has heard the solo Reijseger I asked about? ;-)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:09:37 -0800
From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
Subject: Re: Moondog, alive and well...
>Moondog has an excellent new CD on Atlantic. Yes, that's right.
>Actually is was recorded in 1994. Now the guy is about 80 something
>years old, but the music is very fresh and creative. The title is Sax
>Pax for Sax.
This is a reissue. It saw the light of day about 1.5 years ago or more on
a small label called Kopf.
mike
mhowes@best.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:50:49 +0100
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: Re: more questions about music
> 2 wonderful (tho', not so new) things I've picked up in the last year:
> an early LP by Otomo Yoshihide and Hirose Junji, "Silanganan Ingay"
> (from '89, and still available!), and an LP by a swiss combo called
> Runzelstock and Gurgelstirn, "Mama".
> This last ones oop I think, but they've got plenty other stuff that's
> still available. They tend towards v great and inspired racket of a
> Mittel-European Dadaist -type persuasion; lotsa yelling, unidentifiable
> noises sourced from contact mikes, and etc. Also: they boast a keen
> sense of *dynamics* in constructing this stuff. I mean - its just about
> the greatest stuff in this vein I've heard in an absolute age. I think
> the new Bananafish has an interview with them.
Actually, the 'band' is called Runzelstirn & Gurgelstock. I haven't heard Mama,
but I can surely recommend another of their discs, "HO". It has 69 pieces
of completely cut-up sounds, sometimes unidentifiable, ranging from high-pitched
tones to claps, shouts, screams, slamming of doors, etc. Extremely dadaist in
its approach. Also a lot of silence is used in the various pieces. This is
probably the album that made me reconsider my opinion about "what is music"
more than any other. Runzelstirn mainly releases their (or should I say 'his',
because as far as I know Runzelstirn consists of Rudolv Eb.er only) stuff
through their own (?) label Schimpfluch. Some of it is released through other
labels, for example the German label Selektion.
Frankco.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:43:46 -0800
From: Jason Edward Kocol <misterlazy@usa.net>
Subject: Recent musician's death
Hi,
I seem to not receive the digest as regularly as I used to, so if
this has already been covered, I apologize.
Anyway, 2 nights ago I attended a show for 'Snorkel', which is
comprised of Ben Goldberg, John Schott, Trevor Dunn, and Scott Amendola.
The show was excellent, yet the exception that night was Amendola was
absent due to attending a funeral in Montreal. Apparently a San
Francisco bay area saxophonist was killed recently. Does anyone happen
to know the name of the musician? The band had said, yet it was rather
quietly, so the name eluded me. Any help on this would be appreciated.
- -Jason
http://users.lanminds.com/~suburban - The s u b u r b a n Homepage
http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy - The Music of Mister Lazy
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:30:55 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: Recent musician's death
At 10:43 AM 12/17/97 -0800, Jason Edward Kocol wrote:
>Hi,
> I seem to not receive the digest as regularly as I used to, so if
>this has already been covered, I apologize.
> Anyway, 2 nights ago I attended a show for 'Snorkel', which is
>comprised of Ben Goldberg, John Schott, Trevor Dunn, and Scott Amendola.
>The show was excellent, yet the exception that night was Amendola was
>absent due to attending a funeral in Montreal. Apparently a San
>Francisco bay area saxophonist was killed recently. Does anyone happen
>to know the name of the musician? The band had said, yet it was rather
>quietly, so the name eluded me. Any help on this would be appreciated.
I don't remember his name but he played in the Charlie Hunter Quartet. That
kinda narrows it down, the guy who isn't Dave Ellis. I don't have the
Quartet album so I couldn't tell ya.
zube
my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
Nyquist was wrong.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:33:37 -0400
From: "Simon Thibaudeau" <aag017@agora.ulaval.ca>
Subject: Hi everybody
Hi,
I'm new to the list so I figured I should present myself. My name is Simon
and I am a Student in Quebec city, Canada. I'm new to the work of Mr. Zorn
having just bought Naked City's "Black Box". I am much more familiar to his
collaborators in Painkiller, Bill Laswell and Mick Harris, and other
"metal" collaborators: Kevin Sharp, Eye,...
I had already tried to listen to his more jazz oriented work like Cobra but
I didn't quite like it as much as Mr Bungle and Naked City.
Thank you for attention and hope to have great discussion with all of you.
Simon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:53:28 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Recent musician's death
> > I seem to not receive the digest as regularly as I used to, so if
> >this has already been covered, I apologize.
> > Anyway, 2 nights ago I attended a show for 'Snorkel', which is
> >comprised of Ben Goldberg, John Schott, Trevor Dunn, and Scott Amendola.
> >The show was excellent, yet the exception that night was Amendola was
> >absent due to attending a funeral in Montreal. Apparently a San
> >Francisco bay area saxophonist was killed recently. Does anyone happen
> >to know the name of the musician? The band had said, yet it was rather
> >quietly, so the name eluded me. Any help on this would be appreciated.
>
> I don't remember his name but he played in the Charlie Hunter Quartet.
That
> kinda narrows it down, the guy who isn't Dave Ellis. I don't have the
> Quartet album so I couldn't tell ya.
Calder Spanier?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:23:54 -0500
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Recent musician's death
Jason Edward Kocol wrote:
>
> The show was excellent, yet the exception that night was Amendola was
> absent due to attending a funeral in Montreal. Apparently a San
> Francisco bay area saxophonist was killed recently. Does anyone happen
> to know the name of the musician? The band had said, yet it was rather
> quietly, so the name eluded me. Any help on this would be appreciated.
It was Calder Spanier, saxophonist in the Charlie Hunter Quartet. He was
killed in a car accident on a bridge in San Francisco.
Calder's father is Canadian trumpeter Herbie Spanier, who co-led (with
Paul Bley) the band that became the Ornette Coleman Quartet at the
Hilltop Club in LA.
James Hale
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:44:25 -0500
From: rbisson@courrier.usherb.ca ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette)
Subject: Last Exit
I was wondering if anybody here could help me with this: where's the best
place to start listening to Last Exit? In other words, which of their
recordings is the best, or the most "essential", and would be a good
starting point to the rest of their material?
B.T.W., I heard excerpts from their Enemy Records releases, all were
excellent, especially those from "The Noise of Trouble".
Bruno
R=E9mi Bissonnette Ph.D.
Professeur titulaire
=46acult=E9 d'=C9ducation physique et sportive
Universit=E9 de Sherbrooke
Sherbrooke, Qu=E9bec
J1K 2R1
=20
- -
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:27:37 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Last Exit
RΘmi Bissonnette wrote:
> I was wondering if anybody here could help me with this: where's the best
> place to start listening to Last Exit? In other words, which of their
> recordings is the best, or the most "essential", and would be a good
> starting point to the rest of their material?
I would argue that there's not a bad place to start except for the studio
album "Iron Path" which is so studiobound and effects-laden that it comes off
not as a Last Exit album but as a Laswell solo project with really cool
sidemen. For what it is, I like it just fine. But if you're really looking
for the titanic, sodden Dionysian abandon for which this band was best known,
any of the five live albums is a great place to start. My own favorite is
probably "Cassette Recordings '87" on Celluloid, also available as "From the
Board" on Enemy. This has the grand "Line of Fire," Shannon Jackson's
barking cover of Jimmy Reed's "Big Boss Man," and the subtly-titled classics
that really show where the band lived, "Sore Titties" and "My Ball / Your
Chin."
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:52:18 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Last Exit
At 12:27 AM 12/18/97 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>any of the five live albums is a great place to start. My own favorite is
>probably "Cassette Recordings '87" on Celluloid, also available as "From the
>Board" on Enemy.
I would also recommend this as a great place to start. Also, it is
somewhat available.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:25:45 +0100
From: Friedrich Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de>
Subject: Re: Where to get the cello-CDs?
At 00:24 17.12.97 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>Nobody anywhere has heard the solo Reijseger I asked about? ;-)
This one is available here... I ordered it, so if you could be patient for
some few more days ;-)
Best wishes and lots of heavy-weight christmas presents to you all!
Fritz.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:27:44 -0700
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: Tim Berne
Hello All,
Did anyone check out the Tim Berne preformance at the Knit Old
Office last night?
- -
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:40:45 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Last Exit
R=E9mi Bissonnette wrote:
>=20
> I was wondering if anybody here could help me with this: where's the be=
st
> place to start listening to Last Exit? In other words, which of their
> recordings is the best, or the most "essential", and would be a good
> starting point to the rest of their material?
For sheer sonic assault, their first s/t LP, which was recorded live,
and then radically salvaged/remixed by Bobby Musso, is a good starting
point. Noise of Trouble has the best sound of the bunch, but IMO suffers
from the clarity. Koln, Headfirst into The Flames, and Cassette
recordings 87 are made up of excerpts from live gigs, my personal fave
being CS 87.
The studio album Iron Path, gets knocked by free-jazz fans, and by
Brotzman himself, but I like it alot. It has more of a prog feel, and
wouldnt be out of place next to King Crimson or Mahavishnu.
=09
Rich
BTW, I'm about half done with my Sharrock Tribute website. Most of the
graphics are up, and I'm now scanning in some interview material.I've
still got a lot of text and other stuff(soundfiles etc.) to put up, but=20
for a preview, go to: http://pages.cthome.net/richwilliams/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:18:42 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Tim Berne
Jason Tors wrote:
> Did anyone check out the Tim Berne preformance at the Knit Old
> Office last night?
Yup. A fine pair of sets, not the best I've seen but certainly nothing
bad about them either, and it was the first time they'd played togther in
a very long time. "No, Ma'am," "Snow White," "Are We There Yet?" and a
particularly strange "Byram's World" were among the highlights. Jim Black
was particularly monstrous all night long; listening to him is great, but
watching him at the same time will spin your head around. Very small
audience for the first set, a few more for the second. The sound really
fills this little room. Around 10:30 a thud-rock band started playing
really loud in the Alterknit, a serious distraction during the quiet
second half of "Mr. Johnson's Blues," a reminder that while it's a cozy
new room, it's still the Knit... (During the sets in the Alterknit this
time last year, bumps and crashes from the outrageously loud
Metheny/Bailey conflagration upstairs could frequently be heard, but last
night's noise, though shorter in duration, was considerably more
distracting.)
Late in the second set Tim had to ask someone to "stop smoking that tree"
assuming that someone was puffing away on a big cigar given the volume of
smoke coming up to the stage; actually there was only one person smoking
plain old cigarettes but it was right next to the stage so this sorta
speaks to the air circulation in the room. At another point he told Mike
that he "should have remembered to include oxygen in the band's contract
rider."
I expect they will continue to improve as the week goes on. One thing to
expect if you go down, though... originally it was announced that shows in
the Old Office would be $5. But then they tacked on a $5 drink minimum
and you have to pay it up front since there's no waitstaff to keep track
of it downstairs. So you're paying $10 at the door, not $5. But in most
ways it's still the best bargain in town, especially given the lineup
they've got booked so far. And no, I didn't see any taping going on,
though one of our finest practioners of the art ;-) was right next to me
all night (he wasn't rolling) ...
I'm going again tonight, so if anything unusual or particularly
outstanding happens I'll let you know.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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