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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, December 4 1997      Volume 02 : Number 185



In this issue:
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       The Old Office, the new room at the Knit
       Re: solo guitar
       Elliott Sharp/Kaffe Mathews/Saturnalia gig
       Re: Butch Morris Box
       scofield/mmw
       National Football League
       Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
       Re: solo guitar
       Re: National Football League
       Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)
       Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
       Hedges
       Re:       Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)
       Re: Hedges
       Re[2]: National Football League
       Re: National Football League
       kazue sawai
       white & frisell
       Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 01:57:32 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Old Office, the new room at the Knit

So I went to the opening night party at the Knitting Factory for the new
room, the "Old Office," so called because it's the old office (i.e.,
where I used to spend my days).

Ladies and germs, you're gonna think I work for THEM again, but so help
me I like this new room.  It's small, but it's cozy and has ambiance
(red velvet and exposed brick, and comfortable chairs, and a booth folks
are gonna fight over), very much unlike the Alterknit Theater.  It's
gonna be a very nice place to hear music cheap ($5!).

You may have caught my earlier post which mentioned that the Knit had
printed the wrong dates for Tim Berne.  Here's the real schedule for the
next two months in the new room, which includes some nice surprises.
Note that John Medeski has bailed on his previously announced week.

Dec. 3-7 Marc Ribot's Los Cubanos Postisos
Dec. 10-14 Michael Blake
Dec. 17-20 Tim Berne's Bloodcount, 21 Tim Berne's Paraphrase
Dec. 26-28 Mario Pavone
Jan. 1-4 Joseph Bowie's Defunkt Jazz Quartet
Jan. 7-11 Pachora (Chris Speed, Jim Black, Brad Shepik, Skuli
Sverrisson)
Jan 14-15 Ben Perowsky (of Lost Tribe - this band also features Chris
Speed)
Jan 16-17 Fred Frith solo
Jan 21-25 Bobby Previte's Latin for Travelers
Jan 28-Feb 1 Ned Rothenberg and friends

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 03:46:38 +0000
From: Jeff Schwartz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: solo guitar

Ok, cats alrady beat me to Book of Heads (Ribot/Zorn),
Outside Aloha Pleasure (Kaiser), Strings (Chadborne) and
Guitar Solos (Frith), but let me sing the praises of (in
reverse alphabetical order, by artist):
New York Guitars (v/a) on CRI. A complilation of much
avant-guitarness, much of it solo. Some folks we've heard
of (John King, Nick Didikovsky, Brandon Ross, Loren
Mazzacane Connors, Ken Valitsky) and some new blood.
Westwerk (Elliot Sharp) on Ear-Rational. Elliot live,
solo, with his doubleneck, sax, and a bunch of machines.
It's not my favorite of his (I'll take Virtual Stance or
Hoosegow or Bootstrappers), but it's the only strictly
solo album of his I have.
Don't Blame Me (Marc Ribot) on DIW. Probably my favorite
of his solo albums. I appreciate hearing his guitar alone;
the other solo albums' constant skronkiness wears me out.
Maybe I'm getting old.
Lemon Fish Tweezer (Henry Kaiser) on Cuneiform. I don't
know why, but this album seems more accesible than Outside
Aloha Pleasure. There's some overlap, chronologically,
but these pieces seem to relate more to psychedelic rock,
while those on OAP remind me more of electronic music from
the classical avant-garde.
Artlife (James Emery) on Lumina. Mostly solo with
processing, joined by Leroy Jenkins on 2 tunes. Emery is
one of the most virtuosic players I've heard, but doesn't
get the credit he deserves because so much of his work is
with the String Trio of NY. All three of his solo albums
are cool, but the other two are with bands, melding
McLaughlinesque chops with a Braxtonian ensemble style.
What a Band (Christy Doran) on hatArt. This guy is
amazing. I think we talked about him a little when he
toured the west coast with his Hendrix tribute featuring
Phil Minton & Amin Ali. Here he's doing the delay loop
Fripp/Frisell thing without sounding like he's copying
anybody.
Solo Subversion (Ron Buckman) on Homemade Hurricane. I
have no idea who this cat is, but he gets some freakish
sounds out of the guitar and has an excellent
compositional sense. I'd gladly pay more than $1.85 for
it.
Then there's Joe Pass, Michael Hedges, Tuck Andress, Chet
Atkins...
- --
Jeff Schwartz
[e-mail]
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:20:34 EST
From: JoLaMaSoul <[e-mail]>
Subject: Elliott Sharp/Kaffe Mathews/Saturnalia gig

.Wednesday Dec 10th, 9:45 pm

SATURNALIA plays at The Green Street Grill, 280 Green Street,
Central Square, Cambridge, MA.  (A small electronic version of the
ensemble with Jonathan LaMaster on violin, guitar, tapes and
electronics,Thereminist James Coleman, and possible guest
Robin Amos of Cul de Sac and Cry on analog synth.)
WITH: NYC legend ELLIOTT SHARP ("Solo Tectonics", a jungle -
techno influenced project with computer, guitar and kitchen sink),
and KAFFE MATHEWS ("demon performer from London, drives a
violin through a live sampling system"  Berliner Post...She's worked
with Butch Morris, Shelly Hersch, Scanner, Charles Haywood of
"This Heat", etc.)

"Elliott Sharp has invented the vocabulary and syntax
of a unique and dynamic music in the interzone between
order and chaos using self-designed instruments and computers."

Info: [phone]
http://www.algonet.se/%7Erepple/esharp/gigs.htm



"Saturnalia is a free-form jazz/rock group whose colorful performance style
turns every show into a party the kind  that would have been thrown by Andy
Warhol. "  David Wildman, The Boston Globe

"Imagine a conclave of 60's 'new thing' folks like  Coltrane and Shepp along
with Downtown New York types like John  Zorn and Zeena Parkins and you'll have
some idea of what's in store."  MattAshare, The Boston Phoenix

"àa heady mix of  rock  electronica, violin, Theremin, cello, banjo and
performance art."  Tristram Lozaw, Boston Herald

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:51:23 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Butch Morris Box

In a message dated 97-12-03 13:07:35 EST, you write:

<< Don't know how far afield we are with Butch Morris (less so I think than
 Nyman), but I've seen several Conduction discs individually, didn't know
 there was a box. I like Morris , but as these discs have been a bit pricy
 I've been hesitant. So I'd like to second Dgasque's question, and also get
 him to answer it. >>

Sorry- I must have missed that question.  Can you repeat it please?

If it concerns the status of the box set (entitled- Testement: A Conduction
Collection), I think it was a limited run, which I obtained from Cadence.
 Don't know if it is still around in that form.  If it is, and you can spare
the cash (I bought mine for about $130), it is a must have.  The small
booklet that comes with the box contains several fascinating articles as well
as complete lineups for every conduction that Morris has directed (including
those that do not yet appear on CD).

This leads to another question.  Since there are other conductions outside of
this set, I wonder what the status of the recordings are, if any exist, of
these performances.  Are they considered "flops" by Morris, never to see the
light of a laser beam?  I would think that there is the possibility of a "bad
night" by a group, or a performance that just didn't get off the ground.
 Maybe we'll see a Testement II in the future...

=dgasque=

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:04:50 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: scofield/mmw

there was an interview with John Scofield in Avant magazine (no
relation to the label...) recently, in which he says his next album
will be with Martin, Medeski and Wood...



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Date: Thu,  4 Dec 1997 13:19:23 UT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: National Football League

I'm listening to Archery and in the first two minutes there's a substantial
section of a football game broadcast, obviously used as sound material by one of
the players.  Don't they always say that no portion of this broadcast can be
used in whole or in part because it's owned completely by the National Football
League?  Doesn't that make this an illegal record?  Could they conceivably
recall all copies of the box set?

Not that I care, really, I just thought it was interesting.
Still, maybe you better scoop up a copy while you can.  ;)

- -- Peter

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:48:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral

> What are your favorite solo guitar albums? I need more.

If you enjoy minimalism, you might want to check out Electric Counterpoint,
by Steve Reich, with Pat Metheney on guitar.

Some excellent solo guitar work is on the Bill Frisell + Tim Berne duo
album. GREAT acoustic work by Frisell, I really love it.

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m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s                university of maryland
http://www.artswire.org/mrd                           school of music
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:54:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: solo guitar

> Then there's Joe Pass, Michael Hedges, Tuck Andress, Chet
> Atkins...

And unfortunately, Michael Hedges was just recently found dead in
his car several days after it had apparently gone off the road into
a ditch.

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m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s                university of maryland
http://www.artswire.org/mrd                           school of music
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:59:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: National Football League

> I'm listening to Archery and in the first two minutes there's a substantial
> section of a football game broadcast, obviously used as sound material by one of
> the players.  Don't they always say that no portion of this broadcast can be
> used in whole or in part because it's owned completely by the National Football
> League?  Doesn't that make this an illegal record?  Could they conceivably
> recall all copies of the box set?

Does the box set say it was an NFL game that was being played? It could have
been a high school or college football game, for all we know.

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m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s                university of maryland
http://www.artswire.org/mrd                           school of music
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:50:06 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)

It's clear that "narrow-minded" is a pejorative term.  What's more
interesting is whether "open-minded" is the flip-side; or, perhaps, in
what sense it's the flip-side?  If someone likes everything
without preference, it removes all cutting edge from liking any
particular thing.  Perhaps that's simply being too open-
minded; yet, curiously, the expression too narrow-minded has
some currency, implying that a certain narrow-mindedness
might be no bad thing!!  (Tolerance is supposed to be a virtue, yet
nobody wants to be "tolerated".)  I suppose open and narrow minded
can be straightforward where the issue is only whether one will
listen to it at all; but as the entertaining Down Home dispute has
shown, the application of these terms goes beyond that.

PS I have two great early-eighties albums (Blythe Spirit and Light
Blue) by Blythe with tuba, cello, guitar and drums.  Did this line-up
make any others?

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:06:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral

On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Matthew Ross Davis wrote:

> > What are your favorite solo guitar albums? I need more.
>
> If you enjoy minimalism, you might want to check out Electric Counterpoint,
> by Steve Reich, with Pat Metheney on guitar.

..which reminds me to recommend Robert Fripp's albums of Frippertronics
and soundscapes. I'm not familiar with  his more recent solo work (I like
it, just haven't gotten the albums) so I don't know which is the best
intro.

There are also some good recordings of Takemitsu's arrangements of Beatles
songs (!) for solo guitar.



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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:08:04 -0700
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hedges

A great solo guitar album(little bass and piano time) It is called
Breakfast In The Field. I remember getting this album when I was fourteen
or so. It was far over my head, but it was mellow, so I used to throw it on
when I had mommas visiting. As I got older, and understood more about
music, I realized that Hedges was doing some really improvizational stuff
on that album, or at least it sounds like it. Does anyone have any info as
to how this album was recorded? A great inuitive, improv style album I
highly recomend it. A sonic journey of guitar sounds.

Since I liked the first album so much, I picked up his more recent stuff
and was disapointed.  Any suggestions for futher Hedges releases?




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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:13:34 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:       Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)

>I suppose open and narrow minded
>can be straightforward where the issue is only whether one will
>listen to it at all; but as the entertaining Down Home dispute has
>shown, the application of these terms goes beyond that.
>
>PS I have two great early-eighties albums (Blythe Spirit and Light
>Blue) by Blythe with tuba, cello, guitar and drums.  Did this line-up
>make any others?

Who cares? They wouldn't be worth listening to if they existed. Would they
exist if noone listened?

s~Z



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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:26:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hedges

> Since I liked the first album so much, I picked up his more recent stuff
> and was disapointed.  Any suggestions for futher Hedges releases?

The most recent albums by hedges haven't been as good, as the earlier ones,
I agree. In addition to Breakfast in the Field, there is Aerial Boundaries,
which is excellent Hedges. Live on the Double Planet features stuff from
both these earlier albums along with some other really great stuff...this
is an excellent album to get, because it's ONLY him with ONE guitar, and
WOW.

After Double Planet, I didn't think his work was as good. I have Taproot,
which is alright, but not as improvisatory-sounding and...hmmm...'raw' as
the earliest ones.

One hint about Hedges I was told was that he used extensive mic-ing on
his guitars so that he could amplify and sustain those harmonics the way
he does so wonderfully, also adding in effects (like digital delay,
particularly).

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m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s                university of maryland
http://www.artswire.org/mrd                           school of music
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Date: Thu,  4 Dec 1997 15:03:50 UT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: National Football League

Does the box set say it was an NFL game that was being played? It could have
been a high school or college football game, for all we know.

====
That's true, although it sure sounds like an NFL commentator.  Even someone
famous.  I suppose it could be College.  Do they have similar legal statements
about their broadcasts?

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:45:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: National Football League

On Thu, 4 Dec 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Don't they always say that no portion of this broadcast can be
> used in whole or in part because it's owned completely by the National Football
> League?  Doesn't that make this an illegal record?  Could they conceivably
> recall all copies of the box set?
>
The warning says that the broadcast cannot be used in whole or in part
_without the expressed written consent of the National Football League_.
Seeing as how Zorn and his posse probably want to keep everything on the
level when it comes to copyright law, they probably went through the
necessary channels to get the appropriate permissions.

I'm going back to bed. - Mike


        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

*********************************
Mike Shepherd
[e-mail]
Middle Tennessee State University
[phone]
*********************************



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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 17:17:05 +0000
From: gda <[e-mail]>
Subject: kazue sawai

hi zornsters!

i saw the japanese koto ensemble "kazue sawai"
a few years ago, but have never been able to
find any recordings here in europe.
they played 20th century compositions
(commissioned by kazue sawai)
only; but none by zorn (even though he's
written stuff for them)
maybe one of you can help me out.

patRice

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 11:19:36 -0500
From: Bob Kowalski <[e-mail]>
Subject: white & frisell

Can't wait until Bill's new disc next year....

New disc "Motion (or moving) Pictures" is out with Mark White on violin
and Bill Frisell.  It is fantastic if y'all like the sound of Frisell's guitar.  But
buyer beware - I also recommend the new Baron disc "Down Home" as well
as all of Michael Nyman's recorded output.

happy listening !

Bob

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:46:19 -0500
From: [e-mail] (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)

>It's clear that "narrow-minded" is a pejorative term.  What's more
>interesting is whether "open-minded" is the flip-side; or, perhaps, in
>what sense it's the flip-side?  If someone likes everything
>without preference, it removes all cutting edge from liking any
>particular thing.  Perhaps that's simply being too open-
>minded; yet, curiously, the expression too narrow-minded has
>some currency, implying that a certain narrow-mindedness
>might be no bad thing!!  (Tolerance is supposed to be a virtue, yet
>nobody wants to be "tolerated".)  I suppose open and narrow minded
>can be straightforward where the issue is only whether one will
>listen to it at all; but as the entertaining Down Home dispute has
>shown, the application of these terms goes beyond that.

Yeah, I get pretty narrow-minded myself about things that suck. I just
can't help it.

>
>PS I have two great early-eighties albums (Blythe Spirit and Light
>Blue) by Blythe with tuba, cello, guitar and drums.  Did this line-up
>make any others?

You know, both of those records are pretty foggy in my mind, but I remember
two others that I preferred with a similar line-up - "Lenox Avenue
Breakdown" and, I believe I've got the title right, "Extensions." Both
feature Blood Ulmer on guitar and, I believe (it's been a long time), Bob
Stewart on tuba. I have these lps at home but I haven't listened to them in
quite a while. Used to love 'em though. I don't think they've ever been
released on CD. Just for the record, they were the first two records that
Blythe made when he was signed to Columbia, preceeding the two you
mentioned.

Ashley



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