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From: Zorn List Digest
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 6:02 AM
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #171
Zorn List Digest Thursday, November 20 1997 Volume 02 : Number 171
In this issue:
-
Re: Soundtracks by Christian Marclay
Bible Launcher
Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc)
ocean of sound
Mingus
Re: Frank Lowe's The Flam
Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc)
Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc)
Musicworks label (was: Frank Lowe)
Re: lee Konitz in ethereal contexts
Re: Another question
Re: Buried Secrets
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:20:29 +0000
Sharrock
Dream House needs a bit of help...
Re: Torture Garden question
Bryars & Nyman & Baron...
Re: Masada box sets
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:52:44 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Soundtracks by Christian Marclay
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, James Douglas Knox wrote:
(snip)
and another one, "CASCADE/VERTICAL LANDSCAPES", details at:
http://www.panix.com/~kitchen/MovieCatalog/Titles/VerticalLandscapes.html
(snip)
>
> Still no more to hand on Marclay's other soundtrack ("Wax"?). But at this
> point - there's almost enough material for him to have a disc of filmworks
> hisself (how 'bout it, Mista Zorn?).
- -
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:10:19 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Bible Launcher
While I take my time going through the past ten days of zornlist digests
after being out of town for a while (you folks have been busy), I should
probably let people know that Wall of Sound in Seattle got in a copy of
Bible Launcher in the last couple of weeks.
I don't work there, e-mail to me won't help you, so please don't send me
any. But you can call or fax Wall of Sound at 206 441-9880, if you're
interested. (They have e-mail <wos@speakeasy.org>, but don't check it
every day).
They asked me what I though they should price it at & I had no idea, so
they may be looking for the best offer on this.
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:24:01 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc)
> There was a horrible (leastways, for me) moment in the closing of Spike
> Lee's Mo' Better Blues with the wretched Wynton turning in a total
> travesty of Lonely Woman. And I am not so enamoured of the NC version,
but
> this was truly *VOM* inspiring; shorn of its plaintive keening, and all
> those perfect right-wrong notes. No melancholy, no beauty - something so
> meretriciously bland it could only be the work of that insensate zombie:
> Wynton Marsalis.
Um um um I just looked at the info they've got at CDnow and Wynton
apparently has nothing to do with the soundtrack. Saxes are by Branford
Marsalis, trumpet by Terence Blanchard. So, maybe a bit too emotive, yes.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 12:45:36 -0500
From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com
Subject: ocean of sound
>Probably last year, somebody (or somebodies) mentioned a book/disc
> package from Virgin Records that detailed the history of Ambient music
> and included early ambient pioneers like John Cage, Brian Eno,
> Tnagerine Dream, Kraftwerk and the like, along with newer stuff.
> Does this ring any bells?
I bet you're referring to "Ocean of Sound". There's a book by David
Toop (Serpent's Tail) and a double CD set (Virgin import). Both are
great. The CDs cover a huge range of ambient from Debussy to Cage to
Miles Davis to Peter Brotzmann (!) to howler monkeys and sea lions to
Zorn/Toop to Eno to Buddhist monks to My Bloody Valentine. No T.Dream
or Kraftwerk, though. Toop has gone on to release 3 other double CD
thematic sets, one devoted to "crooning", one to guitars and one to
funk, but I haven't heard them yet.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:27:12 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Mingus
Charles Mingus was mentioned a while back when discussing the mixing of
different styles. Could anyone point me towards some of his works which
display this?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:35:47 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Frank Lowe's The Flam
Yeah,
it's good, but for my money Exotic Heartbreak is better (1981 with
Butch Morris) and Decision In Paradise (1988 with Geri Allen Grachan
Moncur and Don Cherry) tops them all.
If you want Texas tenor, try Charles Brackeen - I only know
Attainment and Worshippers Come Nigh (both on Silkheart) but they are
awesome. His themes are like awesome heavy rock riffs but sound like
they're the best thing to give sense to what follows ...
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:58:58 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc)
Julian wrote:
> > There was a horrible (leastways, for me) moment in the closing of Spike
> > Lee's Mo' Better Blues with the wretched Wynton turning in a total
> > travesty of Lonely Woman. And I am not so enamoured of the NC version,
> but
> > this was truly *VOM* inspiring; shorn of its plaintive keening, and all
> > those perfect right-wrong notes. No melancholy, no beauty - something so
> > meretriciously bland it could only be the work of that insensate zombie:
> > Wynton Marsalis.
>
> Um um um I just looked at the info they've got at CDnow and Wynton
> apparently has nothing to do with the soundtrack. Saxes are by Branford
> Marsalis, trumpet by Terence Blanchard. So, maybe a bit too emotive, yes.
This was most likely the version of "Lonely Woman" found on Branford's disc
that came out concurrently with "Mo' Better Blues" -- wasn't "Crazy People
Music," was it? Anyway, what I remember of this version of "Lonely Woman" is
that yes, it was d'void o'funk fer sher, but also that Branford M. and Kenny
K. were dead ringers for Jan Garbarek and Keith Jarrett in this particularly
icy rendition.
Just to tie it all together for you...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
>
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:41:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc)
In a message dated 97-11-20 00:23:09 EST, you (jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU)
write:
<< There was a horrible (leastways, for me) moment in the closing of Spike
Lee's Mo' Better Blues with the wretched Wynton turning in a total
travesty of Lonely Woman. And I am not so enamoured of the NC version, but
this was truly *VOM* inspiring; shorn of its plaintive keening, and all
those perfect right-wrong notes. No melancholy, no beauty - something so
meretriciously bland it could only be the work of that insensate zombie:
Wynton Marsalis.
I dunno; maybe I'm being a little too emotive about it?
>>
I don't think so. Wynton and others of his ilk are the opposite of
everything jazz really is- spontaneity, imagination, and a big chunk of
recklessness...
Online spewing is reckless and appreciated.
=dgasque=
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:41:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Musicworks label (was: Frank Lowe)
<< 1978 - Musicworks, Musicworks 3002 (LP) >>
For the simple sake of discussion- how many releases did Musicworks have in
their catalog and what were they? Just wondering...
=dgasque=
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:51:41 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: lee Konitz in ethereal contexts
Douglas Tapia asked: who knew that Konitz could play so well in such
an ethereal context?
I did. From my point of view the continuity with much earlier
playing is quite striking - Konitz has an anecdote of stepping up to
the mike for a solo in the forties (in Thornhill's band) and, pausing
to take a cue from the music, he stood there and listened (it was a
Gil Evans chart) for the whole chorus, before returning to his seat
withou playing a note. Which is ethereal in its own way.
More relevant perhaps (and Scott Russell may back me up (where're
those tapes you were going to send me, Scott?) ) is Konitz'
performance in 1990 at the Glasgow Jazz Festival, with a quartet
including John Taylor. He played some very fragmented and
exploratory stuff which I at first mistook for bad health, but
rapidly warmed to - much of the audience walked out.
Zounds (on Soul Note) has something of this flavour.
Sean Wilkie
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:35:38 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Another question
At 6:29 AM 11/19/97, peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote:
>Probably last year, somebody (or somebodies) mentioned a book/disc package from
>Virgin Records that detailed the history of Ambient music and included early
>ambient pioneers like John Cage, Brian Eno, Tnagerine Dream, Kraftwerk and the
>like, along with newer stuff. Does this ring any bells? Can anyone refresh my
>memory?
I think that would be David Toop's "Oceans of Sound". I don't have the book
handy, so I can't give publisher and ISBN #, but it can be found at
amazon.com. It's the best book on music I've read in years.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 06:45:54 -0500
From: "Andy Marks" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Re: Buried Secrets
> (usually) a goodly amount of resonance. I've often wondered about the
> story behind the photo on 'Buried Secrets' (a pair of cuffed hands
> lifting a skull out of the soil); it's a troubling, formally beautiful
> image that implies an interesting narrative.
>
> Brian O.
I'm going to speculate(wildly even) that this might be
Henry Lee Lucas. I've seen news footage of him in handcuffs
with law enforcement in tow, taking them to burial places of
his victims. Of course, I don't know for sure but would also
like to know. I know that the photo on the back is from a serial
killer generally believed to be the first in the US. I think he killed a
couple of women in Chicago before he was apprehended.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:20:29 +0000
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:20:29 +0000
I just pulled the following 2 questions off the Q/A section of the Tzadik
home page:
>10/14/97
> Matt Trebelhorn
> Subject: Masada
> Is there any truth to the rumor that the 6 Japanese Masada releases will
> be re-released as a set? Thanks. Matt
>
> This year Tzadik plans to release a 12 cd set of Masada recordings. 10 from
> DIW and 2 of Masada out takes. In '98 Tzadik will release another 12 cd set
> of Masada recordings comprised of the following: 4 Live in NYC, 3 Live in
> Asia, 3 Live in Europe and 2 of alternative Masada's. JZ
>
>
>
> 10/16/97
> Dan Sanders
> Subject: Masada
> Re: Masada Will any of the boxed set CD's including "10 from DIW and 2
> of Masada outtakes" be available individually, for those of us that already
> have a fair number of them?
>
> I don't know yet. JZ
Apparently Zorn answered the questions himself - There was a later note
that, due to the volume of questions, this practice would stop.
Any comments? Does our man Zorn have a dry sense of humor or what?
Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 07:59:46 -0500
From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com
Subject: Sharrock
> From: KEVIN NEALES <kevinn@seis.com>
> Subject: Sonny Sharrock
>
> I recently saw a used C.D. by Bill Cosby and Friends(forgot the name
of
> it but it was from 1990) and was surprised to see Sonny Sharrock
played
> on one song. I didn't buy it because I thought it would be pretty
lame.
> Has anyone heard this? Also I really like the music Sonny Sharrock
did
> for the Space Ghost Coast to Coast show. Is this available on C.D.??
Lame is an understatement. The Cosby album really sucks big time.
Basically, it consists of several LONG boring fusion jams. Even the
presence of personal faves Don Pullen and David Murray doesn't pull it
out of fusion hell. I have tried to sell it at various used shops but
no one will take it :) You can have my copy if you pay the postage.
re: Space Ghost: There's a recent Rhino CD of cartoon themes that has
the Sharrock theme; it's also on one of those anthologies of TV themes
("Cable Ready - the 90s", I think).
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:19:46 -0500 (EST)
From: DMB5561719@aol.com
Subject: Dream House needs a bit of help...
MELA Foundation Inc.
275 Church Street New York, NY 10013
212-925-8270
November 1997
Mela Foundation is seeking interns for unpaid
volunteer positions of Monitor for Dream House exhibition.
Dream House: Seven Years of Sound and Light,
a collaborative Sound and Light Environment by
composer La Monte Young and visual artist Marian
Zazeela, is presented in an extended exhibition
at MELA Foundation, 275 Church Street, 3rd Floor.
Young and Zazeela characterize the Sound and Light
Environment as a "time installation measured by a
setting of continuous frequencies in sound and light."
POSITION: MONITOR for DREAM HOUSE exhibition (Volunteer Interns)
Hours: Exhibition is open Thursdays and Saturdays
from 2:00 PM to Midnight. Time slots of four to six
hours need to be filled on those days.
Description: Monitor will open or close exhibition;
turn on electronic sound equiptment and turn up
light environment; make sure all technical equiptment
is running properly; greet visitors; distribute
information; answer questions concerning the
environment; sell books and recordings.
Contact: Call the MELA Foundation, 212-925-8270.
If you call, leave a message on the answering machine
with your phone number and times we can reach you.
Or come to 275 Church Street, 3rd Floor, Thursdays
and Saturdays, 2:00 PM to Midnight, and experience
the environment and speak to the monitor on
duty.
Press Commentary on Exhibition:
"... the multifaceted form of the 35-frequency
construction of Young's current installation is
the principal reason it changes hallucinogenically
with every shift in perspective and why the tones
freeze in place as long as one is perfectly still
while the slightest gesture will startle forth
unnamable, wildly plumed melodies from the
luxuriant harmonic foliage. Zazeela's light
sculptures have invariably, teasingly refused
to surrender their entire secret to photographic
reprodution, so much do they depend on
the retinal impact of activated photons in real
time and so much do they exploit, in ways analagous
to Young's techniques, the creation of visual
combination tones and an accumulation of after-images."
- -- Sandy McCroskey, 1/1, The Journal of the Just Intonation Network
"Young's newest sine-tone sculpture shimmers and
swirls as you walk around the room and, amazingly,
when you freeze, it does too. Stay at least long
enough to stare at Zazeela's Imagic Light and Ruine
Window, which will imprint your retina with blues
and purples you haven't felt before."
- -- Kyle Gann, The Village Voice
"The visitor with an acute ear can actually 'play'
the room like an instrument: explore the sound close
to the wall, close to the floor, in the corner, or
just standing still. Or lie on the floor and allow
the sound to float you into heaven, slide you into
hell, or transport you wherever you want to go.
See if you agree with those who call Young's sound
sculpture a precursor of ambient music.
Zazeela's light installation, "Imagic Light," offers
an intriuging complement to the sound, even though
it is equally effective when viewed in
silence. Using pairs of colored lights and suspended
aluminum mobiles cut out in calligraphic shapes,
Zazeela explores the relationship between object
and shadow, making the tangible intangible, and vice
versa. Enjoy the installation for its mesmerizing
beauty, or try to analyze how the different
colors are achieved, how the mobiles create the
resulting shadows, or perspective the infinite number
of symmetrical patterns in the room."
- -- David Farneth, Metrobeat
Music Eternal Light
Art
* David Beardsley
* DMB5561719@aol.com
*
* virtual dream house monitor
* for the MELA Foundation
*
* http://www.virtulink.com/mela/main.htm
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:45:11 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Torture Garden question
>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu> writes:
Jeff> everyone always says how hard it is to find TG. I have it on
Jeff> CD. Is this odd? jeff
Probably. I've got it on vinyl, and was under the impression that
most of it is also on Grand Guignol, but maybe some zorn-lister has
better information.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions do not reflect on management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:01:03 -0500
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: Bryars & Nyman & Baron...
Hi all -
Thought it funny that some of the (expected) criticism (same old same old)
of Nyman's recordings (with the exception of his first 2-3) sounds strikingly
familiar to what many of my friends say about my sick (their humble
opinion) delight in Zorn's various recordings.
I also was amused that while folks on the Nyman listserv (for the most part)
dislike Bryars (too boring) the Zorn listserv gives almost 2 thumbs up. In
any case...
The new Bryars CD, "A Man in a Room, Gambling," is excellent (both
humorous and with his usual flair for beautiful music) - there are 5 sections
timed at approx. 5 minutes with an announcer, in a bad (IMHO) French
accent, talking about gambling. Then there are three longer peices based on
the 5 pieces that were originally commissed for the BBC to be played during
rush hour commuter time (if I am remembering the linear notes correctly.)
(ps : new Joey Baron CD is a very good time...the stellar performances are a
given - these guys are masters! Even my wife, who feel asleep at the last
couple of Frisell shows, loves it!)
Bob @ Somerville -=dot=- MA
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:01:39 +0100
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: Re: Masada box sets
> Subject: Masada
> > Is there any truth to the rumor that the 6 Japanese Masada releases will
> > be re-released as a set? Thanks. Matt
> >
> > This year Tzadik plans to release a 12 cd set of Masada recordings. 10
> > from DIW and 2 of Masada out takes. In '98 Tzadik will release another
> > 12 cd set of Masada recordings comprised of the following: 4 Live in NYC, > > 3 Live in Asia, 3 Live in Europe and 2 of alternative Masada's. JZ
> Any comments? Does our man Zorn have a dry sense of humor or what?
I don't know about the man's humour, but what I do know is that I'd like him
to release the so-far unreleased Masada's from the first set as indivual
CDs as well. That way I won't end up with having the first 8 Masada records
twice. The second set doesn't concern me with respect to this, because it is
all new material and I would have bought them separately anyway (most likely).
Furthermore, the 12 CD set will probably be much cheaper than 12 separate
albums. Being a Mr. Bungle fan, I hope one of the 'alternative' Masada's will
feature Trevor Dunn on the bass (the West Coast Masada as it has existed for
some time). Does anyone know in what line-ups Masada has performed?
Maybe Zorn can also release a 12 CD Naked City box set, covering the complete
works of Krzystof Komeda, Bernard Herrmann, and Napalm Death.
I'm off to see the "Masada String Trio" comprised of Erik Friedlander, Mark
Feldman, and Greg Cohen at the BIM-Huis in Amsterdam tonight.
Frankco.
- -
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