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From: Zorn List Digest
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 6:39 PM
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #159
Zorn List Digest Saturday, November 15 1997 Volume 02 : Number 159
In this issue:
-
re: in need of NEW music.
Re: Sigillum S.
Re: d'n'b recommendations was (Re:Bailey & d'n'b)
CD SALE!
Painkiller?
Re: In Need of NEW music.
CD filing
Re: Zorn's influences (Wynton content) *ARE YOU KIDDING*
Re: Zorn's influences (Wynton content) *ARE YOU KIDDING*
Re: Sigillum S.
Oversimplified Historical Flowchart Analysis (OHFA)
RE: Oversimplified Historical Flowchart Analysis (OHFA)
lustmord
Re: lustmord
Re: Painkiller?
Otomo Yoshihide?
Re: lustmord
Re: Absinthe *Live*
RE: Zorn's influences (Wynton content) *ARE YOU KIDDING*
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:53:21 -0500 (EST)
From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak)
Subject: re: in need of NEW music.
Geroge Clinton & the P-Funk All Stars - Live... and Kicken
Disco Biscuits - Encephalous Crime
A String Cheese Incident - S/T
Miles Davis - Agharta
Miles Davis - Pangaea
Miles Davis - On The Corner
Ornette Coleman & Joaquim Kuhn - Colors
John Zorn - The Parachute Years
- --
"Reality is too harsh. Imagination makes everything nice. Use your
imagination to get out of the most drab places by simply holding on
to the imagination and making it real." - Sun Ra
- -
------------------------------
Date:
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Sigillum S.
Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> At 10:02 AM 11/12/97 -0500, Sean Terwilliger wrote:
> >I'm seeking information on this CD. I understand it's part of a 3cd
> set.
> >Is it in itself a full length CD? Is Laswell on it at all? Is it
> good?
>
> Info on Sigillum S. can be found on the web page:
>
> http://www.hyperreal.org/music/labels/axiom/bios.html
I've read that. It doesn't tell me tracklist, playingtime, players, etc.
>It doesn't have Bill on it, although _Ashes_,
> which grew out of the same root (Eraldo's mind), does. _Ashes_ is
> quite good.
Yeah, I've got Ashes, and love it. Really nice CD.
Thanks Jeff
Sean
- -
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:01:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: d'n'b recommendations was (Re:Bailey & d'n'b)
>I'm still looking for experimental and/or fast stuff
>in drum n' bass but keep being disappointed.
I came across a pretty neat Japanese d'n'b duo called Tagomago. They have 2
releases on the Transonic label. Their music is a bit hard to describe-
improvised in places, lounge-y in others...overall a bit towards the
"jazzstep" genre and a lot more "esoteric" than most of the d'n'b i've heard
lately.
on now: Korai Orum '96' (kinda like a Hungarian Ozric Tentacles)
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:15:36 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: CD SALE!
Hey everyone!
I have five CD's I would like to either sell or trade. Contact me ASAP
if you're interested!!
Joint Venture - Mirrors (Enja) $9
1993 album by the collective quartet of Ellery Eskelin (tenor sax),
Paul Smoker (trumpet), Drew Gress (bass) and Phil Haynes
(drums). Over 70 minutes.
p53 - p53 (ReR) $10
This is a Chris Cutler project featuring Cutler (objects, low
gradeelectronics),
Lutz Glandien (computer, samples, real time processing), Marie Goyette
(grand
piano), Zygmunt Krauze (grand piano) and Otomo Yoshihide (turntables,
homebuilt guitar).
Hank Roberts - Birds of Prey (JMT) $6
Out of print album by cellist Hank Roberts known for his work with Tim
Berne, Miniature, etc. This is his rock album and the only one
I can think of by a
cellist. Includes Roberts (cello, vocals), D.K. Dyson (vocals), Mark
Lampariello
(guitar, vocals), Jerome Harris (bass, vocals), Vinny Johnson (drums,
vocals).
Joey Baron's Barondown - Tongue In Groove (JMT) $11
Out of print album by drummer Baron known for his work with Zorn,
Douglas,
Frisell etc. This album features a very unusual lineup of Baron
(drums), Ellery
Eskelin (tenor sax) and Steve Swell (trombone).
Ray Anderson - What Because (Gramavision) $8
Anderson is a trombone master! This album features Anderson
(trombone), Allan
Jaffe (guitar), John Hicks (piano), Mark Dresser (bass) and Pheeroan
akLaff (drums).
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:21:24 -0600
From: Evan Jones <baka@flash.net>
Subject: Painkiller?
Hello all,
I've had a bitch of a time trying to find the Painkiller stuff Zorn's
done. Anybody know where I can mail-order, write, or otherwise?
Ev.
PS: Who besides me wants to see Zorn play with Steve Albini?
"Ya know, I've watched a lot of horror flicks in my day, and all I have to
say is DON'T MESS AROUND WITH BOOKS IN LATIN WITH PENTAGRAMS ON THEM!!!" -
Ev.
http://www.flash.net/~baka/home.html
- -
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:41:52 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: In Need of NEW music.
> Does it imply that they are competing for the very same kind of music and,
> for such a reason, that ordering them in terms of value makes sense?
all right, all right... I like Zingaro's solo disc more than Feldman's.
How's That? (:
> Tom, what do you think of Phil Wachsman? I have the impression that he
> never released a solo violin record?
Phillip Waschmann has released two solo violin albums with live
electronics. One is an LP released on Bead Records from 1984 called
'Writing In Water' (Bead 23) and the other is a pretty recent CD release
on Bead also called 'Chathuna' (Bead CD 03). Waschmann is highly
recommended as well.
Anybody else have some solo violin recs for me (and everyone else)?
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:28:23 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: CD filing
> > I've started experimenting with storing CDs by genre instead of the
> > previous method of simply alphabetical by artist, and I've ended up
> The best filing method i've ever heard of is colour-of-spine.
How about by height? :)
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:38:35 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn's influences (Wynton content) *ARE YOU KIDDING*
> > People aren't going to make the jump from "No Doubt" to
> > today's avant garde improv type music. They need to jump back a few decades
> > and work their way forward,
>
> You need to qualify this generalisation - its patently wrong. I discovered
> Zorn via his work with Diamanda Galas on the Big Gundown; and I knew a
> whole-crew of long-haired metal-heads who found their entre to free jazz
> thru' Zorn's Painkiller and Naked City (which was near enough to my own
> path)...
>
I did the metalhead-->painkiller-->naked city-->avant garde jazz thing
too (i even bought the Big Gundown because of Diamanda, as well...). This
is probably fairly common, but i don't think that means NObody went
backwards to Miles and then forwards again...just that we didn't.
Maybe the Wynton-->Miles-->Zorn (whew!) thing has happened somewhere,
somehow...to someone...maybe.......
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:47:17 -0600 (CST)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Re: Zorn's influences (Wynton content) *ARE YOU KIDDING*
I went from Zorn to Miles to Wynton. Just by association; has little to
do with 'validity' of music invloved. It's all there for us to take.
On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> > > People aren't going to make the jump from "No Doubt" to
> > > today's avant garde improv type music. They need to jump back a few decades
> > > and work their way forward,
> >
> > You need to qualify this generalisation - its patently wrong. I discovered
> > Zorn via his work with Diamanda Galas on the Big Gundown; and I knew a
> > whole-crew of long-haired metal-heads who found their entre to free jazz
> > thru' Zorn's Painkiller and Naked City (which was near enough to my own
> > path)...
> >
>
> I did the metalhead-->painkiller-->naked city-->avant garde jazz thing
> too (i even bought the Big Gundown because of Diamanda, as well...). This
> is probably fairly common, but i don't think that means NObody went
> backwards to Miles and then forwards again...just that we didn't.
> Maybe the Wynton-->Miles-->Zorn (whew!) thing has happened somewhere,
> somehow...to someone...maybe.......
>
> -jascha
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:05:07 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Sigillum S.
At 10:02 AM 11/12/97 -0500, Sean Terwilliger wrote:
>I'm seeking information on this CD. I understand it's part of a 3cd
set.
>Is it in itself a full length CD? Is Laswell on it at all? Is it good?
Info on Sigillum S. can be found on the web page:
<bold>http://www.hyperreal.org/music/labels/axiom/bios.html
</bold>I haven't heard it yet, Eraldo promised me a copy a while back but
I haven't seen anything. It doesn't have Bill on it, although _Ashes_,
which grew out of the same root (Eraldo's mind), does. _Ashes_ is quite
good.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:16:24 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Oversimplified Historical Flowchart Analysis (OHFA)
>I went from Zorn to Miles to Wynton. Just by association; has little to
>do with 'validity' of music invloved. It's all there for us to take.
I went from Louis Armstrong to Al Hirt to The Beatles to Chicago to Blood
Sweat and Tears to Soft Machine to Return to Forever to Mahavishnu to Miles
to Oregon to Ralph Towner to Codona to Don Cherry to ECM to Art Ensemble of
Chicago to AACM to Monk to Mingus to Coltrane to Dolphy to Braxton to Cecil
to FMP to Incus to Hat Art not necessarily in that disorder and with many
critical omissions. Can't remember how I learned of Zorn....must've read
about him...Locus Solus was my first...on vinyl.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:42:33 -0500
From: Chris from Zeke's <zeke@zeke.com>
Subject: RE: Oversimplified Historical Flowchart Analysis (OHFA)
Howdy!
I went from my parents' record collection, to Bruce Springsteen, to Al =
Green, to Tackhead, to The Kronos Quartet, to John Zorn, to Dick Dale, =
to Jean Leloup and back again. There are alot of omissions, and I've =
found that liking one disc and then deciding to be a completist makes =
for very heavy moving days.
My first album with John Zorn (I think...) was the Hal Wilner "That's =
the way I feel now."=20
I still feel the same way.
Chris
- ----------
From: Schwitterz[SMTP:mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 4.16 > Noon
To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: Oversimplified Historical Flowchart Analysis (OHFA)
>I went from Zorn to Miles to Wynton. Just by association; has little =
to
>do with 'validity' of music invloved. It's all there for us to take.
I went from Louis Armstrong to Al Hirt to The Beatles to Chicago to =
Blood
Sweat and Tears to Soft Machine to Return to Forever to Mahavishnu to =
Miles
to Oregon to Ralph Towner to Codona to Don Cherry to ECM to Art Ensemble =
of
Chicago to AACM to Monk to Mingus to Coltrane to Dolphy to Braxton to =
Cecil
to FMP to Incus to Hat Art not necessarily in that disorder and with =
many
critical omissions. Can't remember how I learned of Zorn....must've read
about him...Locus Solus was my first...on vinyl.
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:06:37 -0800
From: David Slusser <slusser@pixar.com>
Subject: lustmord
I prefaced my earlier comments on sex and death as provocative - wanting to
stir up a few "flames" on the old zorn-list. By going to extremes, it points
up the folly of those(Wynton) that attempt to define art (or blackness).
It's ineffable, but sure generates amusing reading (much like the Beauty
thread).
What really happens in musical art defies words. What I find interesting
are people's reactions and feelings. Whitney Balliet(sp?) is a good read
in that
regard - describing the ambience of the performance and the shape of the music.
But....more on SEX and DEATH -
(here's where the topic becomes relevant)
I participated in Zorn's "Elegy" recording a few years back around
Thanksgiving.
It concerned the writing and life of Jean Genet. In preparation Zorn referred
us to Genet's writing, and the demi-monde of the prison punk- murder, drugs,
petty theft, S&M, homosexuality and death. To get in the mood in the morning
before recording, Zorn and Mike Patton put on videos (not exactly snuff films)
of people losing their lives by various means. To sustain the grim mood during
a break for the Thanksgiving holiday, Zorn and a few others attended an autopsy
at a medical school! In light of that, I don't think my comments about death
were "fucking stupid".
I'll give you this, though, the Genet recording also concerned sex.
Trying to smoothly segue-
I recently ran across the word lustmord (German?) and wanted a clear definition
for my own perverse purposes. Then (funny how this works) I read about a
band with the same name. Anyone hear of them?
Relevant quote:
I believe there are two types of people in the world- those that divide people
into groups and those that don't.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:49:30 -0500
From: Glenn Ianaro <LiquidGroove@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: lustmord
David Slusser wrote:
> Trying to smoothly segue-
> I recently ran across the word lustmord (German?) and wanted a clear
> definition
> for my own perverse purposes. Then (funny how this works) I read
> about a
> band with the same name. Anyone hear of them?
>
>From what I know of lustmord it actually is the last name of Brian
Lustmord. He titles he uses it as the name for his releases. I have
only 1, being Heresy I II III IV V VI. It is released on Soleilmoon
Recordings and a Ambient aural soundscape kind of thing that I think is
really wonderful. It is just Brian Lustmord and Andrew Lagowski doing
Programming. It says that that it was recorded in subterranean
loacations such as crypts, caverns, mines, deep shelters and catacombs
along with material of a seismic and volcanic origin. It also has
written that it takes advangate of psycho-acoustic phenomena and the
physical effects of low frequency information.
Other that this I know that Brian Lustmord did some work with Brian Eno
a while back, but I am not sure what. I am very interested in finding
more work by Lustmord but haven't been able to as of yet. If you find
anything else out, please let me know. I hope that this helps out a
bit.
GLENN
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:01:03 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Painkiller?
At 02:21 PM 11/15/97 -0600, Evan Jones wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've had a bitch of a time trying to find the Painkiller stuff Zorn's
>done. Anybody know where I can mail-order, write, or otherwise?
Try one of those mail order places that specializes in CDs from Japan. You
will pay a fortune, but you will get all of them. (By the way, Praxis'
_Sacrifist_, which has a Zorn track and is deleted in the US, is still
available in Japan also.)
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:41:46 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <tarjason@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Otomo Yoshihide?
Hello,
Was just recently introduced to Otomo Yoshihide's work (mainly his Ground
Zero recordings), and was wondering what other releases by him people may
suggest (as it seems as though he has many, many recordings available)?
Thanks.
- ---
Peace Hugs and Unity,
Jason J. Tar
Vampire Rodent Productions
http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason/VRodents.htm
Featuring: Vampire Rodents, Ether Bunny, and Dilate.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:50:25 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: lustmord
At 7:49 PM 11/15/97, Glenn Ianaro wrote:
>From what I know of lustmord it actually is the last name of Brian
>Lustmord. He titles he uses it as the name for his releases. I have
>only 1, being Heresy I II III IV V VI. It is released on Soleilmoon
>Recordings and a Ambient aural soundscape kind of thing that I think is
>really wonderful. It is just Brian Lustmord and Andrew Lagowski doing
>Programming. It says that that it was recorded in subterranean
>loacations such as crypts, caverns, mines, deep shelters and catacombs
>along with material of a seismic and volcanic origin. It also has
>written that it takes advangate of psycho-acoustic phenomena and the
>physical effects of low frequency information.
>
>Other that this I know that Brian Lustmord did some work with Brian Eno
>a while back, but I am not sure what. I am very interested in finding
>more work by Lustmord but haven't been able to as of yet. If you find
>anything else out, please let me know. I hope that this helps out a
>bit.
>
I've only heard one of his works, a collaboration with Robert Rich called
"Stalker", which is an amazing disc of glacially slow moving ambient
electronic drones, inspired by the even more amazing Tarkovsky film of the
same title. I've been meaning to check out more of his stuff.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:38:10 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Absinthe *Live*
On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, [iso-8859-1] R=E9mi Bissonnette wrote:
> I was wondering, did Naked City ever perform songs from Absinthe live? I=
f
> not, could it have been done, or was this recording too much of a sound
> collage to be reproduced in a live context?
>=20
Don't know about Naked City, but there 've certainly been live
performances of something called, and patterned after, Absinthe. One that
I know happened in Germany, '94 (I think); I'll have to check on the
complement tho' - some NC members, and I few others like David Shea.
Cheers,
Jim
"To be a good revolutionary, we must pass all our academic exams"
- Dusan Makavejev
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:39:28 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: RE: Zorn's influences (Wynton content) *ARE YOU KIDDING*
>> People aren't going to make the jump from "No Doubt" to
>>today's avant garde improv type music. They need to jump back a few =
decades
>> and work their way forward,
You need to qualify this generalisation - its patently wrong. I =
discovered
Zorn via his work with Diamanda Galas on the Big Gundown; and I knew a
whole-crew of long-haired metal-heads who found their entre to free jazz
thru' Zorn's Painkiller and Naked City (which was near enough to my own
path)...
OK, it's not the only way to get into Zorn's music. I was assuming a lot =
of people, like myself, came to know Zorn through the jazz tradition. =
It's obviously not the only path. Although my days as a long-haired =
metal head certainly didn't hurt. I am, however, still trying figure out =
what the big deal is with "Naked City".
>I dunno who this "average" person is - politicians and market analysts
>talk about him/her a lot, but I've never met him/her. And damn glad I =
am=20
>of it - he/she sounds like a real fuckwit!
Someone's gotta be buying the Hootie albums.=20
zube
- -
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