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From: Bonzo <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Top Ten Survey update...
Date: 01 Feb 1998 19:27:23 -0000


Hello girls and boys,
    Just a note about my Yello top ten survey. I`ll keep it going for a few
more days so SEND ME YOUR TOP TEN LISTS! I give ten points for your first
choice, down to one for your last. What song is the favourite at the moment?
You`d never believe it....
I`ll post the results Wednesday or Thursday.

[e-mail]





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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) Re: (Yello) Haunted House, Love it or Hate it?
Date: 02 Feb 1998 08:54:33 +0100



    >>but I think it is the words that annoy me, along with the
cheery whistling. It
    >>still gets the worst track award I am afraid.

    >That is so funny those are the best things in the song to me.
They are such
    >funny words.  My favorite being "He's riding for ever with no
where to go
    >ect..".  Funny how tastes differ!

    I agree. The first time I heard it I tought "hey, what in the
world is this" but the second time I just had to laugh. I think the
track is so funny, specially with the whistling. I wouldn't consider it
as my favourite, but I sure am happy that it exist. I think it's one of
their funnier tracks.

    Regards
    Eric


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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) Goldmine Ad
Date: 02 Feb 1998 08:58:57 +0100


    Hi all!

    >4. same as above, no picture sleeve "4 Specially Remixed Dance
Versions"

    If this is the one from -83, I have to say "just my luck". I've
just orderd it from Esprit at quite a different  price. (more expensive
that is).

    Well, at least I'll get it.

    Regards
    Eric



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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Big Thanks to James
Date: 01 Feb 1998 23:49:54 +0000



> It was also nice to see that there was a good spread in age and that
> there are at least one female on the list. One question that could have
> been interesting is if Yello appeals more to a male audience than a
> female, and if so, Why?
> Anyone?.
> The list seams to be dominated by males.

I don't know if Yello appeals more to males then females, but one of
the reasons this list is dominated by males is probably because there are
much more men on the net then there are woman.

Groeten,
Olaf.


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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Big Thanks to James
Date: 02 Feb 1998 15:32:41 +0200


>I don't know if Yello appeals more to males then females, but one of
>the reasons this list is dominated by males is probably because there are
>much more men on the net then there are woman.

Perhaps, perhaps not.
I could think the reason is the www. People just browse. If it is
not browsable, then it is not interesting enough. Most of the women
come in to network after www.

Also, generally, how many man/woman collects some particular musician?
I think more men than women collects records.

I'm in believ that collecting is for filling (partial) loss in social
life. Even heard about it in some TV-program. Generally women has bigger
social life than men and simply has no time to get interested in, for
example, to some particular band.

So, that is a good reason why we have more men than women here.

Juhana


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Big Thanks to James
Date: 02 Feb 1998 15:07:29 EST


I think both replies to this topic have touched on some pertinent
aspects of women and collecting. I think there is  line drawn where
women can simply appreciate something for what it is; where men
have to "own" it.

Regards, FG

P.S. some other questions I would have liked to see:

1.  What is your sign?
2.  Is Yello your most collected,second most,etc
3.  How many (approx.) pieces to your collection?


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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Dawson)
Subject: (yello) Artist of the year contest
Date: 02 Feb 1998 14:30:39 -0500



     I was just visiting the CDNow website and they are running an Artist
     of the Year, along with a Grammy contest.

     The catagory of artist of the year is a fill in the blank, how about a
     little good old fashioned ballot box stuffing!

     The Grammy contest has pop up screens for the catagories, who knows
     maybe you'll win some prizes.  It's at http://www.cdnow.com. I've been
     dealing with these folks for over a year now (it's where I finally
     picked up Pocket Universe and To The Sea), and their really nice. So
     let's stuff their ballot box, but be polite.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Search
Date: 02 Feb 1998 15:38:30 EST


Hi Again,

I wanted to share a search engine I have come across recently:
 <A HREF="http://www.askjeeves.com">ask jeeves</A>   if the link doesn't work
[ http://www.askjeeves.com]

One can search in by asking a question, or by stating something like
Yello? It is so comprehensive I was able to put my name in the space
provided and it came up with Lazlo's discography (where my name is
among the credits).

Happy Hunting,
Fred


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (yello) Big Thanks to James
Date: 02 Feb 1998 19:00:39 EST



In a message dated 2/2/98 8:59:26 am, you wrote:

>I don't know if Yello appeals more to males then females, but one of
>the reasons this list is dominated by males is probably because there are
>much more men on the net then there are woman.

This is true.  I do know a few women that have been exposed to Yello, and they
love it!
Julian


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From: "Robert B" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello Fanaticism
Date: 02 Feb 1998 22:43:17 -0600


I've been reading some posts lately and I want to know if anyone has had
similar experiences with exposing new people to Yello...

I've tried a number of people at my office, a number of friends, and my
(former) girlfriends. None of them got into it. The closest I came was my
last ex-girlfriend liking Suite 909 a little - but not enough to want a copy
or to buy the CD. I can't understand why no one else can see what I do in
Yello...

I don't think Yello really has to do with gender either. I see their music
as icons of internationalism. It is true "world" music. There is pretty much
something for everyone, 'cept the country music fans really.

I also don't understand the recent survey results that had Zebra as one of
the worst albums. Zebra, Pocket Universe, and Baby are my favourite albums -
in that order. I absolutely love the Brazillian feel of Baby, the funky
quasi-Latin feel of Zebra, and the bleeding edge audiophile quality of
Pocket Universe (which is now my favourite stereo benchmarking CD).

I'd also be interested to see how many Yello fans are audiophiles...




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Fw: (yello) Yello (MP3)
Date: 03 Feb 1998 08:39:19 +0100



>I think the point is that it should be the decision of the artist (in this
>case) yello,
>whether they want to distribute free previews of their work this way or
not.
>Whether MP3s benefit them or not is not really important. You wouldn't
want
>somebody to make decisions on you behalf, just because they think
something
>is better for you.
Hear Hear.
This is exactly right. It must be the decision of the artist.
But when are we going to ask them?

By the way, what are you doing on this list. There's a list with smarter
and more social involved people who like Yello. You'll be the first man on
that list.




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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) Yello (MP3)
Date: 03 Feb 1998 08:44:54 +0100


    Hi all!

> >If it hadn't been for Mp3 I never would have done that - so thanks to
> >Mp3 they've made money on me.
>
Just  beware of what you're doing. I heard a  discussion on the  swedish
national radio yesterday where people from a couple of record companies
and representatives from the musicians organisation (those who make sure
that the musicians get their money when their songs are played) and they
talked about the  problem with music beeing spread on the Internet.
These people seem to  work pretty hard to hunt down those who without OK
from the composers expose their music on the net. People have actually
been draged into court and convicted for it. And there was also talk
about makeing those who own the servers responsible. It seems that they
have a staff of people who constantly are scanning the net. So when  you
do  this, remember that it is illegal, and before it's done I think that
Dieter and Boris should have their saying.
If we like them, we should also respect them.

Regards
Eric



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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) ????Who are These People??????
Date: 03 Feb 1998 01:55:45 -0600


Replay to the Fllowing Comment:

    By the way, what are you doing on this list. There's a list with SMARTER
    and MORE SOCIAL involved people who like Yello. You'll be the first man
on
    that list.

Huh??  Who are These People, and How Much Smarter Are They?????

I am Sure We are All Hurt By Your New List.

LATER   Shane.......






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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) Yello (MP3)
Date: 03 Feb 1998 08:53:43 +0100



    >But when are we going to ask them?


Maybe Jonas could ask Boris for his opinion next time they meet. B t w,
have you got any new date for that Jonas?

Regards
Eric


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Audiophiles
Date: 03 Feb 1998 09:02:59 +0100



>I've been reading some posts lately and I want to know if anyone has had
>similar experiences with exposing new people to Yello...
I've had the experience that people who have heard bits of YELLO in the
background (and we all have), know it's YELLO if they liked it.
Maybe your quest to expand the Yello crowd explains why you have so many
ex-girlfriends.
My soon-to-be wife hates yello and I'm not gonna swing her vote.

By the way if anybody ever wants to talk about what is wrong with men or
women, i'll set up a list large enough to keep you all hiding for months.
There is, was and always will be a difference between ALL people, all
gender, all rases and all musiclovers. Live with it.

>I'd also be interested to see how many Yello fans are audiophiles...
Count me in.
Audiophiles := Audiophiles + 1

Beekie




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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Illegal MP3s????
Date: 03 Feb 1998 02:13:10 -0600


OK   OK  OK   We All Went Through This Once Now.

All the FTP-Sites Were Warned and Pulled. i Don't Know of ANY Actuall
Convictions.

The Space I Am Offering is for Yello-Freaks ONLY, and These People Allready
Respect Yellow and OWN at Least 5-6 Album and Want Nothing But to See Yello
Make More Music.

I have Made it VERY Clear Here and on the Site About Were I Stand on the
Issue, and Hope People Respect This. I Also Have Made it Clear That ANYONE
Abusing YELLO (5 or More from the Home DIR) Will Be Kicked from the Site for
Abuse of the Gods Known as Yello. (The Rare is Still WIDE-OPEN)

If the List Feels That I May Be in ANY Threat of illegal Action for Making
Released Regualr Tracks Available AT ALL. Please Notifiy Me, and I Will
Restrict the Site to the Rare and New Directories.
(I Personally Hope this is NOT Necessary, My Rules are Simple and Fair tothe
Artists IF NOT MORE!!)

Thanks, I am Open to Comments and Suggestions!!!

Shane Foss of FTP-Space



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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello (MP3)
Date: 02 Feb 1998 21:37:49 -0000


> whether they want to distribute free previews of their work this way or
not.
> Whether MP3s benefit them or not is not really important. You wouldn't
want
> somebody to make decisions on you behalf, just because they think
something
> is better for you.
>

Yes. No matter what the circumstances, it would only
be fair if Yello had the final word on whether their music
should be previewed this way.
However, the frustrating thing for us Yello fans; is that we
*want* as many people as possible to enjoy Yello's music.
I would much rather Yello ploughed money into marketing
themselves, just to get the recognition that they so surely deserve.
C'est la vie.

James Gillett     [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello (MP3)
Date: 03 Feb 1998 09:10:52 +0100


--> Original from "Shanef"

>Smarter and More Social List Huh???
>I am Sure Those on This List, WHOM SEEM JUST FINE, Will Appreciate That
>Comment!!!!  I Guess You SMARTER People Deserve Your own List. Sounds
Great
>to Those of This Site After Your Comment. I AM SURE!!!
>Later   Hey...................
>Try Not to Visit So Often!!!!!
I'm sorry my friend.
Maybe you should have read juhana's mail just before mine.
The 'other list' joke was just a reply to her comment about men.
Everybody on the list is perfect.
This is the only list I am on and I wouldn't want to be elsewhere.
But if you take grave offence, I hereby apologise to everybody.

SORRY





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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) APOLIGIES to Bekaert!!!!!
Date: 03 Feb 1998 02:23:59 -0600


I MESSED UP.  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!
I MESSED UP.  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!
I MESSED UP.  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!
I MESSED UP.  IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!

Hope You Will forgive my Ignorance Bek!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE         (IGNORE ME IN GENERAL)

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!   Shane (oooppssss)   Foss




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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) 3 questions
Date: 03 Feb 1998 14:07:22 CET


Interesting questions indeed mr Grieco! Here are my answers:

>1.  What is your sign?
You mean horoscope-sign? I'm not shure I understand...

>2.  Is Yello your most collected,second most,etc
Yello is my second most collected artist/group, but they're the first
group that I started collecting.

>3.  How many (approx.) pieces to your collection?
Yello-pieces? Of course! I've got 18 (if the CD singles collection
counts as one piece).


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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello Fanaticism
Date: 03 Feb 1998 14:19:52 +0000



> I'd also be interested to see how many Yello fans are audiophiles...

I think I am...
If I only knew what it is exactly...

Groeten,
Olaf.


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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) Yello Fanaticism
Date: 03 Feb 1998 14:30:13 +0100



> > I'd also be interested to see how many Yello fans are audiophiles...
>
>
Do you mean audiophile = discophile ?
or audiophile = hi-fi enthusiast (as my dictionary describes it) ?
I'm not even sure what an hi-fi enthusiast really is...

Regards

Eric


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From: "Dmitry Shtilerman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello Fanaticism
Date: 03 Feb 1998 16:45:54 +0300


Hi!


>Do you mean audiophile = discophile ?
>or audiophile = hi-fi enthusiast (as my dictionary describes it) ?
>I'm not even sure what an hi-fi enthusiast really is...


From my point of view, a hi-fi enthusiast is a person who usually pays more
attention to technical issues related to recording and reproduction of music
than to the music itself. Anyway, I may be wrong...

SY, Dmitry

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Re: Yello Music I am Looking For
Date: 03 Feb 1998 08:56:42 EST


Hello all,

I had posted a few weeks ago seeking a cassette mix of some harder-to-find
Yello songs and was able to locate a few! (Moon Dog & On The Run) As an ardent
fan, I am looking to complete my Yello collection (for the moment) on cassette
with the following songs I found I am missing as compiled on Jonas's
discography.  If anyone can assemble a tape of these of if you even have a
few, please let me know.  Additionally, I am looking for any videos from Baby,
Pocket Universe, and Zebra.
I have the following Yello for sale, and all of their videos through Flag for
trade if interested.  Thanks in advance.

 FOR SALE:

 CALL IT LOVE - $12
 German CD-Single Vertigo 1988
 Call It Love 7:04
 L'Hotel 3:57
 Call It Love (Trego Snare Version) 6:21

 Bostich US - $12
 **Promo Only Limited Edition Yellow Vinyl**
 Reese Uptempo Mix, Break Beat Mix, Reese Respect Mix, New Life Mix,
 Reese Savage Mix, Original Version  12"  SLV, REC VG++


 I AM SEARCHING FOR
 1. Splash 2.53 (Swiss 12")
 2. Glue Head 2.45 (B-side I.T. Splash)
 3. There Is No Reason 3.57 (on German soundtrack-LP JETZT UND ALLES, 1981)
 4. Smirak's Train 4.30 (on JETZT UND ALLES)
 5. Thrill Wave 2.00 (on JETZT UND ALLES)
 6. XS (First Ever Version) 6.30 [= You Gotta SayYes...] (on UK 2x12" Desire)
 7. Two Worlds (on original 1983 UK cassette You Gotta Say Yes...)
 8. She's Got a Gun 4.03 [longer version] (in UK Lost Again double 7" pack)
 9. Life Is a Snowball 4.12 (on promo-CD Snowball)
 10. Ocean Club (version, instrumental) (in movie Adventures of Ford Fairlane)
 11. Blender (very different version) (in movie Adventures of Ford Fairlane)
 12. Jungle Bill (very different version) (in movie Adventures of Ford
Fairlane)
 13. Dome (on Japanese video Cobra)
 14. M-M Suspense, Tension, or Edit (on Japanese video Cobra)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Audiophile
Date: 03 Feb 1998 14:59:18 +0100


The dictionary discribes the topic as I answered it.

The age of mono recording has passed. The age of surround recording might
never come.
Why? Because stereo is here to stay.
The tube amplifier has left but, for some of us came back.
Why is that? Maybe it is because only a violin sounds like a violin.
We have to face the fact we are dealing with recordings. If the quality of
recording wouldn't matter, we'd all be using tape.
We also have to face the possibilities of an amplifier and the wide
varieties in sounds.

Generally, if you never heard or thought about things as white noise,
reverb, oscillation... you might never hear them but the moment you do, you
know this is not a part of the original sound and want to clear it as good
as possible.

Signs of audiophiles:
- expensive CD player
- either very good speakers or a very good headset
- doesn't like stuff on tape.

Please say you don't agree.
Lets give new meaning to the word.
Read ya.                 Beekie




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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello Fanaticism
Date: 03 Feb 1998 15:45:53 CET


Hi Robert B!
You wrote:

>There is pretty much something for everyone, 'cept the country music
>fans really.

I'm lucky to say that altohugh I'm a fan of country music I'm dead
serious fan of Yello aswell!
Regarding your question about whether Yello-fans are audiophiles, I'd
like to put it this way: I've never met a Yello-fan who turned into an
audiophile, but I know many audiophiles who have started digging Yello
in a serious way after being introduced to their music. The conclusion
is that it only seems to work in one way.

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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Illegal MP3s????
Date: 03 Feb 1998 16:40:21 +0200


Why we are putting mp3s available with an excuse of "making Yello
more popular" or such? Why not put a few rare songs available as mp3
because the songs are hard to get and most of us want a copy of them
instead?

Current mp3 collection contains songs from recent CDs still sold at
stores. I would get rid of such mp3 files as soon as possible before
nobody start blaming me as being in the mailing list where people
distribute illegal copies.

Please take them away!

Juhana


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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Audiophile
Date: 03 Feb 1998 18:23:49 CET



>Please say you don't agree.
>Lets give new meaning to the word.
>Read ya.                 Beekie
>

I'd love to, since most audiophiles are very boring when it comes to
listening to music and loving it!
The word audiophile suggests that its meaning should be "friend of
sound" and that, I guess, could very well be a description of Boris,
couldn't it!
That meaning of the word suggests a person who loves hearing things,
listening to new sounds and who's amazed by the differencies between
voices. With this meaning of the word I think many more would like to
call them selves audiophiles and I definitely think that it would be
good.
Unfortunately I don't think it's easy to make that change...

Take care!

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From: "Bo Andersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) MP3 -
Date: 03 Feb 1998 19:03:22 +0100


Just because I said i felt it was up to Yello to decide whether it is OK to
MP3 their music - you shouldn't hink I haven't enjoyed whats there.
My first contribution is up there for you all to enjoy - a live version of
"She's got a gun".  It's from the B side of a "Goldrush" 12" single.

Over the next days I'll put up Haunted House - just because you've all
talked so much about it, and I think maybe somebody never heard it.

Also - If anybody is interested, I'll put up "The Yello Metropolitan Mixdown
1989 part I and II"

Let me know

Bo




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From: "Robert B" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello on MTV
Date: 03 Feb 1998 13:25:07 -0600


Over the last few weeks, Yello has had a video on rotation on MTV's "AMP"
show late Saturday nights. It's the video for "On Track" and is quite
different than the version on Pocket Universe.

You can snag the video clip from MTV's web site by going to www.mtv.com,
Tubescan, select the show "AMP", then click on the appropriate letter.
Notice their mis-spelling of "Yello" as "Yellow" - shows how much they know.

Enjoy!




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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Alternate Access
Date: 03 Feb 1998 14:21:42 -0600


My Browser Access Was Some-What UGLY for Most E-Mail Clients   Try This
one!!!!

Alternate Access to Shane Foss's FTP-O-Yello:

ftp://Yello:Yello@152.65.243.239:2666/~

Thanks  Later   Shane



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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) New Meaning
Date: 03 Feb 1998 14:00:06 -0600


Clues on an Audio-Phile:
        -Love His Classic Phillips MIDs for UnKnown Reasons.
        -Will Sit and Watch Two Woofers Dancing in Unison for HOURS.
        -Love's the Idea of Having Audio in a Car, BUT HATES THE CARS
           TIGHT\PLASTIC\RESONANT\VINYL\GLASS Interior.
        -Speaker Grills Always Come Off, and Usually Stay-Off When Listening
to Music.
        -We Can Never Have Enough Power at the Amps OutPuts. (Physical Amp
Size is Good)
        -We'll Add New Rooms to the House for Audio
(Studio\Living\Theater\Even BedRooms)
        -DVD is a WonderFull Thing. Hate the Lack of Standards Currently
Associated with it!!!!
        -Favorite Recording is  Paul Simon-Graceland (Would Like to Hear
Other Favorite Recordings!)
        -Wires and Soldering are Welcome.
        -Swerve Off the Road When He or She See's 6x9's Sitting in the Back
Window of Other Cars.
        -Swerve Into Cars That Just Rumble, and Don't Do AnyThing
Else........   (Lack-O-AnyThing Else!)
        -Refuses to Sit on the Screen or On the Back Wall at the Movie
Theater. 1/3 back from Screen!!!!
        -Spends Equal Time Browsing Through  Every Genre of Music at the
Record Store. (Xcept
            Country)
        -Wishes Head-Phones Could Stage and Present Depth of Field.
        -Knows that the AcoustiMass System SUCKS!!!!!
        -Has MANY Raw Drivers Just Sittin Around the House.
        -Would Rather Invest $1000.00 Into New Speakers\Bigger Amps\Less
Eqs\Better DACs\ Then on
        a Gift for the Wife or GirlFriend.
        -Has Heard OTHER Yello Tunes. Has Learned to Hate   "Oh Yeah"!!!!!!!

Please Add!!!!!!!!!!!

        Shane Foss



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From: Bonzo <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Last 24hrs of TT Survey!
Date: 03 Feb 1998 20:40:11 -0000


Hello again,
    This is the last 24hrs of our top ten survey so if anybody else feels like posting me their favourite ten Yello tracks I will
add them to the list to create a definitive top ten. Thanks to the 24 people who have so far contributed. I will calculate the
results very soon.

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From: Yuri Chercasski <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) New Meaning
Date: 03 Feb 1998 23:11:23 +0200


I've read in a recent newspaper article
that an audiophile is someone who instead of listening to
the music gets up every 5 minutes, goes to the sound system
and adjusts all the knobs and the buttons to insure
that the sound is as close to the original as possible.

I also read that a true audiophile ( The most obsessed one )
doesn't even use CD's. They say it makes the sound too
"mechanical" and use something called "Heavy Vinyl" -
it looks just like the regular Vinyl but it is up to
4 times as heavy - and provides much better sound
quality.

Oh and another definition to the word "audiophile":
Someone who moves the Furniture AROUND the sound system
to ensure that the sound doesn't distort or change.

Yuri.


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From: David John <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Audiophile
Date: 03 Feb 1998 22:17:43 +0100


At 18:23 03-02-98 , Henrik Betn=E9r wrote:
>I'd love to, since most audiophiles are very boring when it comes to=20
>listening to music and loving it!
>The word audiophile suggests that its meaning should be "friend of=20
>sound" and that, I guess, could very well be a description of Boris,=20
>couldn't it!
>That meaning of the word suggests a person who loves hearing things,=20
>listening to new sounds and who's amazed by the differencies between=20
>voices. With this meaning of the word I think many more would like to=20
>call them selves audiophiles and I definitely think that it would be=20
>good.
>Unfortunately I don't think it's easy to make that change...

It's been interresting to follow this thread, and I feel like joining the
discussion.
I guess the general thing about audiophiles is that they say they want the
best equipment, with the intention to get more from the music they hear.
But a thing that often shines through is their obesseion of the technique,
not the music. -Ask an audiophile what he (they're mostly  male) thinks
about a certain song, and he gives you a long story about the equipment,
and finishes off with a short remark on the song.
I think most audiophiles should be labelled technophiles instead. For
example, a true audiophile would never fall for MD (ATRAC) or DVD (MPEG)
(or MP3 for that matter) since a certain percentage of the data has been
removed to get a better compression. Nevertheless most 'audiophiles' speaks
very highly about those new standards.

For me an audiophile is a true fan of a group which makes 'quality'
recordings. Like Yello, Boris' perfectionsim sounds very clear, even on my
cheap audio equipment, and that's part of why I like Yello so much.


- no more words -


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) New Meaning
Date: 03 Feb 1998 17:04:09 EST


Fred's Dictionary defines audiophiles as : stereo types

Enough on that please.

BTW: the additional 3 survey questions posted were those I'd like to see-
not to be mistaken for actual questions; how many pieces to your Yello
collection to clrify that    BTW2: "what's your sign?" is referring to
astrological
sign, in which case there would be 12 correct answers ("audiophile" not one
of them-ooh, sorry)

Any future snappy retorts regarding astrology should be directed to me and not
the list.

Best, Fred


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From: "Chris Norton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Si Senor
Date: 04 Feb 1998 09:26:40 EST


There have been a few postings recently about 'Si Senor the Hairy
Grill'.

I have two questions:

1.  What, if anything, is the title meant to mean??!

2.  Does anyone else note a close resemblance to the work of seminal
1970s British heavy metal band Deep Purple (especially the organ and
screaming)?  Is the song meant as a tribute to/parody of Purple?

If nothing else, these might be interesting questions for Jonas to ask
Boris if he sees him again!

Cheers,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Jokes
Date: 04 Feb 1998 11:33:46 +0100


Reading Fred's mail gives me the idea the level of humor is not that low
after all.




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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) New MP3s
Date: 04 Feb 1998 16:24:23 +0200


>From:    "Bo Andersen" <[e-mail]>
>
>Over the next days I'll put up Haunted House - just because you've all
>talked so much about it, and I think maybe somebody never heard it.

Thanks. I don't want that the very new songs are illegally available, but
I think it is okay if some rarities are illegally available among the
fans only.

I have four songs available at "ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/music/western/
Yello/songs/". This place is mentioned at Yello homebase as "Yello FTP site"
or such. Below is the README file --- look at discographies of Lazlo and
Jonas for more.

gluehead.mp3
------------
According to Jonas's discography, this is "Gluehead 2:37 [last 8 seconds
missing]" but it also could be "I.T. Splash 2:37" as in Lazlo's discography.
However, lyrics in the song has "Splash". I would trust in Jonas and his
sources anyway.

ily.mp3
-------
This is "I Love You 3:11", the single version (similar to video version).

rubbwest.mp3
------------
This is "Rubber West 3:30".

vicgames.mp3
------------
This is "Vicious Games (Remix) 3.11 [remix engineer Nick Launay; remix
producer Ian Tregoning]". It is similar to Vicious Remix by the same guys
even they are quite different. Both starts with Haunted House laughing.


I have better sounding copies (from different vinyls) for those "I Love You"
and "Vicious Games". *But* in the better ILY the "I Love You" lyrics is
missing at the beginning where there is no music on the background.
Shall I upload them?

Jonas, have you noticed this minor difference? The songs otherwise are
exactly the same. Must be some editing problem when those different vinyls
were released.

Juhana


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From: Frans de Vries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Audiophile
Date: 04 Feb 1998 17:42:03 +0100


[e-mail] wrote:
> Signs of audiophiles:
> - expensive CD player
> - either very good speakers or a very good headset
> - doesn't like stuff on tape.
>

Sorry Beekie,

but the real audiophiles don't have a CD player only Vinyl ( Notthingham
Acoustic Hyperspace with the Wilson Benisch ACT 2 and Ortofon Vero )


Frans.


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From: Yuri Chercasski <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Si Senor
Date: 04 Feb 1998 21:15:44 +0200


Chris Norton wrote:
>
>There have been a few postings recently about 'Si Senor the Hairy
>Grill'.
>
>I have two questions:
>
>1.  What, if anything, is the title meant to mean??!
>
>2.  Does anyone else note a close resemblance to the work of seminal
>1970s British heavy metal band Deep Purple (especially the organ and
>screaming)?  Is the song meant as a tribute to/parody of Purple?
>
>If nothing else, these might be interesting questions for Jonas to ask
>Boris if he sees him again!

An interview may help to answer those questions:

Seconds Out
By Paul Mathur
Melody Maker, June 1987

"... You mean something like "Si Senor, The Hairy Grill"? "That one was
inspired by 'Spinal Tap', my favourite film ever. A hairy grill seemed to
be exactly the sort of thing they'd want. One DJ in Germany played it but
misread the title
and called it 'Si Senor, The Hairy Girl'. I don't know what he thought it
was about. Come to think of it, that's an even better title."

Yuri
Chercasski.


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From: Bonzo <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Whoops!
Date: 04 Feb 1998 19:44:59 -0000


Shit!
I was so knackered after working out that Yello Top Ten that I forgot to put my e-mail address at the bottom of it!!!
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From: Bonzo <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Top Ten Survey Results.
Date: 04 Feb 1998 19:39:05 -0000


Here`s the Top Ten favourite Yello tracks - as voted for by 27 people on this mailing list.
(All mixes and remixes are counted as one song here).

1st    -    Tied Up    -    46pts
2nd   -    Sweet Thunder    -    41pts
2=    -    Pinball Cha Cha    -    41pts
4th    -    The Race       -    37pts
5th    -    Haunted House    -    35pts
5=    -    Desire    -    35pts
5=    -    Jungle Bill    -    35pts
8th    -    Night Train    -    34pts
8=    -    On Track    -    34pts
10th    -    Live At The Roxy    -    29pts

So `Tied Up` makes it as the overall favourite, even though only one person, Eric Schader, voted it as his outright no.1.
Perhaps `Tied Up` won because of all those remixes it has, which may suit many different tastes?
No-one voted `Pinball Cha Cha` or `Sweet Thunder` as their no. 1 but they were mentioned high up on seven or eight peoples` lists.
Nigel Allen and Oleg Yanshin voted `The Race` as their favourite track and it racked up a few points with other people as well.
Julzmon and Dan Mastous rated the infamous `Haunted House` their no.1.
`Desire` scored a large amount of 5`s and 6`s.
Daniel and Joroen Broekhuizen put `Jungle Bill` at the top of their lists.
`Night Train` scored consistantly well, as did `Live At The Roxy` (various mixes).
Olaf voted `On Track` as his favourite Yello.

Right. What follows now is the next 50 favourites in descending order:-

11    La Habanera    -    28pts
11=  L`Hotel
11=  Si Senor The Hairy GRILL(!)
14    Let Me Cry    -    24pts
14=  Lost Again
14=  Blender
14=  She`s Got  A Gun
18    Call It Love    -    23pts
19    Koladi Ola    -    21pts
20    The Evening`s Young    -    20pts
20=  Smile On You
20=  I.T. Splash
23    Stanztrigger    -    18pts
23=  To The Sea
23=  Of Course I`m Lying
26    Moon On Ice    -    17pts
26=  The Rhythm Divine
28    Pan Blue    -    16pts
28=  On The Run
30    Blazing Saddles    -    15pts
30=  Great Mission
30=  Night Flanger
33    Resistor    -    13pts
33=  I Love You
33=  Pumping Velvet
33=  Sometimes
33=  Goldrush
33=  Otto Di Catania
39    Bostich    -    12pts
39=  You Gotta Say Yes...
39=  Capri Calling
42    Celsius    -    10pts
42=  Oh Yeah
42=  Beyond Mirrors
45    Tremendous Pain    -    9pts
45=  Suite 909
45=  RubberBandMan
48    How How    -    8pts
48=  Do It
48=  Ciel Ouvert
48=  Dr. Van Steiner
48=  Domingo
48=  Gluehead
48=  Move Dance Be Born
55    Drive/Driven    -    7pts
55=  Poom Shanka
55=  Ocean Club
55=  The Lorry
59    Homer Hossa    -    6pts
59=  No More Roger

One more bit of analysing. From the above top 60 I`ve worked out the favourite album by adding up all of the song points. if a song
features on more than one album then I`ve given it`s points to the FIRST album on which it appeared. Get me?

One Second        -    161pts
Baby                   -    151pts
Flag                    -    129pts
Gotta Say Yes...  -    121pts
Claro Que Si        -    104pts
Pocket Universe   -    101pts
Stella                  -     95pts
Zebra                  -     83pts
Solid Pleasure     -      44pts






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From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) New MP3s
Date: 04 Feb 1998 22:16:50 +0100


>According to Jonas's discography, this is "Gluehead 2:37 [last 8 seconds
>missing]" but it also could be "I.T. Splash 2:37" as in Lazlo's
discography.
>However, lyrics in the song has "Splash". I would trust in Jonas and his
>sources anyway.

Believe me, I know what I'm doing. The Ralph guys messed it up.

>This is "Vicious Games (Remix) 3.11 [remix engineer Nick Launay; remix
>producer Ian Tregoning]". It is similar to Vicious Remix by the same guys
>even they are quite different. Both starts with Haunted House laughing.

Vicious Games (Remix) 3.11 is the '86 7" version,
Vicious Games (Vicious Remix) 7.00 is the '86 12" version.

>Jonas, have you noticed this minor difference? The songs otherwise are
>exactly the same. Must be some editing problem when those different vinyls
>were released.

The German 7" has the added vocal before music starts,
the UK doesn't. Don't know why. The US 7" has the LP version,
which in the US (at least on the cassette) and Italy (maybe
even more countries) is the same as the single remix. To add
to the confusion the German and the UK single seem to have
been mastered at different speeds because if I clock them,
one is about 16 seconds longer than the other. I asked
Boris about all this btw, but he couldn't remember. JW





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From: Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) URL for MP3?
Date: 04 Feb 1998 19:23:58 -0600 (CST)


I accidentally deleted all messages from the Yello list, which included
the message I was saving which contained the URL for the MP3 files.  Would
someone please forward that URL?  Many thanks in advance.

--Mark



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From: [e-mail] (Craig Hull)
Subject: (yello) Porsche, fashion and Yello
Date: 05 Feb 1998 12:31:36 +1000


Just thought I would share my Yello experience.

Last night I managed to get along to the local launch of the new Porsche
911. Afterwards was a fashion show, and the first song they put on was "The
Race". It certainly made my night (nice music, plus nice models, plus nice
cars, plus free beer - what more is there to wish for). At least people in
the fashion industry must have good taste (by definition I suppose). But if
this is the only exposure that Yello get here, I think it is somewhat
wasted on the people that attend such things.

Cheers,
Craig.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Audiophile
Date: 05 Feb 1998 08:41:25 +0100



>Sorry Beekie,
>but the real audiophiles don't have a CD player only Vinyl ( Notthingham
>Acoustic Hyperspace with the Wilson Benisch ACT 2 and Ortofon Vero )
>Frans.
I must agree. This is why people would pay a lot of money for old & good
vinyl.
Sadly/Luckely enough i'm not a part of this crowd. These are the same
people who would go for a tube amplifier. The whole reason of it is to give
the music a warmer feeling.
Still, my education leaves me with the conclusion that what they are
looking for is not what the artist was offering.
But for arguments sake, if this is the encyclopedic definition of an
audiophile, I must decline my position as one of them.

Sniff,  Beekie




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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Thanks to Bonzo
Date: 05 Feb 1998 11:12:55 +0100


God job Bonzo!!

AOOO, I was the only one who voted for Tied Up as number one. Do I win a
prize ???? ;-)))))).

Maybe there is a point in the remix of Tied Up theory. My favourite is
absolutely Tied up In Red (but I did vote for Tied Up). To console all
of you ( ;-) )who didn't get their number one to be THE number one, I
must admit that the rest  of my votes did lousy. I only managed to get
one of them among the top ten, and one didn't even make the top 60. Here
are my votes and their placing within brackets.

1. Tied Up (1)
2. Call It Love (18)
3. Smile On You (20)
4. On Track (8)
5. Pumping Velvet (33)
6. Let Me Cry (14)
7. Capri Calling (39)
8. Suite 909 (45)
9. Blue Green ( - )
10. Domingo (48)

If I remember correctly, To The Sea was not well recieved among list
members when it came out, so I was a bit surprised to find it as high as
23. But maybe they liked the version on the album better, I know that I
did. I was  also a bit surprised not to find More, Bimbo or Swing among
the top 60 or almost any instrumental stuff.

Another way to look at it is to see how many songs were picked from the
different albums among the top 60 regardles of its placing. Then the
album list would look like this. Number of songs within brackets.

1.Baby (8)
2.One Second (7)
   Stella (7)
   Zebra (7)
5.Gotta Say Yes.. (6)
   Claro Que Si (6)
   Pocket Universe (6)
8.Flag (5)
9.Solid Pleasure (3)

But if you then consider how many songs there are on each album and puts
that in relation to the number of songs picked. The list would look
something like this. Percentage of songs within brackets. Oh, I didn't
count Two Worlds since it only appears on a casset, The remix of To The
Sea and L'hotel since the last one only appears on the CD version.

1.Baby (80%)
2.One Second (70%)
3.Stella (64%)
   Zebra (64%)
5.Flag (62%)
6.Claro Que Si (60%)
7.Pocket Univerce (55%)
8.Gotta Say Yes (50%)
9.Solid Pleasure (21%)


Should we do a servey of how we rank their albums? I could take care of
it if anyone's interested. Not counting compilation or tribute albums,
my ranking would be.

1. Stella
2. Pocket Universe
3. Baby
4. You Gotta Say...
5. Claro Que Si
6. Flag
7. One Second
8. Solid Pleasure
9. Zebra


Regards
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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Album ranking
Date: 05 Feb 1998 15:06:59 CET



>Should we do a servey of how we rank their albums? I could take care
>of it if anyone's interested.
>
>Regards
>Eric
>

Please do, Eric! I'd be as delighted as I was by the track survey.

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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Thanks to Bonzo
Date: 05 Feb 1998 16:03:26 +0200


>From:    =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
>
>5. Pumping Velvet (33)

The extended version is kick ass when played loud. It just is good
for disco. For example, Pinball Cha Cha is good but it just doesn't
work that good in dance place.

Another kick ass is You Gotta Say Yes To Another Excess (Extended).
It is quite different from the album version and has very great drum
beat suitable for playing loud. How many of you have not heard of that
extended version? I may put it available as MP3 if you would like to hear
it ASAP. It got place 39 but it is better than that, IMHO.

Yours,

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From: Joakim Skog <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Thanks to Bonzo
Date: 05 Feb 1998 15:40:36 +0100


>>From:    =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
>>
>>5. Pumping Velvet (33)
>
>The extended version is kick ass when played loud. It just is good
>for disco. For example, Pinball Cha Cha is good but it just doesn't
>work that good in dance place.

Wow! I've totally missed that there is a extended mix of Pumping velvet.
That one I must have! Anyone seen it on MP3?

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From: "Wolfgang Schwarz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) ...gotta be smart
Date: 05 Feb 1998 15:44:12 +1100


Hello!

I just uploaded a kind of noise to Shane's FTP-space, since I seem to
be the only one on the list who has ever heard Dieter singing "You
gotta be smart...".

Hereby I wish to apologize the horrible quality of the MP3:

That track was broadcast somewhen a few years ago (around 1992) by
Swiss Radio DRS3. I didn't hear it, but a friend of mine did and he
recorded the last few beats on tape - obviously without recognizing
that it's clipping like hell.

Later I asked the radio station about the song but they couldn't tell
me much apart from that it was Yello recorded in a "Dylan session"...

I did some denoising and declicking on it but it's still terrible.

cu,

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From: Marko Patsikka <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Billy's baby "clip" :-)
Date: 05 Feb 1998 15:43:15 +0200


Hi!!

Just telling that Billy Mackenzie's "Baby" is available in
http://www.utu.fi:80/~eihapa/yello/yel-eng.htm

Song is written by B.Mackenzie/B.Blank produced by B.Blank

(8 bit wav-file)

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From: "Bo Andersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Haunted House
Date: 05 Feb 1998 22:28:17 +0100


Is up there, at Rocket Rangers ftp-site



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Subject: (yello) FTP-Site Down Temporarly
Date: 05 Feb 1998 17:16:56 -0600


My FTP-Site Appears to Be Not Responding. I Will Call One of my partners in
Crime, and Have Them Reset it. Sorry About the Inconveince, should Be Up
Within a Couple of Hours.

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Subject: (yello) Mystery 10"
Date: 05 Feb 1998 18:26:13 EST


Hello,

I mentioned previously that I ran an ad for Yello items and posted the results
of same about a week ago.

One item that I did not mention is a mystery. The record shop that responded
offered the recycled watch plus a Dutch 10" picture disc for the song
"Tomorrow."

Having never heard of such a Yello song I wrote back and requested more
information. To date they have not replied. (snail mail only way I had of
contacting them).

Considering the watch offer, one would think they have some clue that it would
be Yello and not some other band whose name uses the color in it's title.

The asking price was near $200 and the claim was"mega-rare".

Stay tuned as we see how this unfolds.

All the Best,
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Subject: (yello) Mystery 10"
Date: 05 Feb 1998 18:26:13 EST


Hello,

I mentioned previously that I ran an ad for Yello items and posted the results
of same about a week ago.

One item that I did not mention is a mystery. The record shop that responded
offered the recycled watch plus a Dutch 10" picture disc for the song
"Tomorrow."

Having never heard of such a Yello song I wrote back and requested more
information. To date they have not replied. (snail mail only way I had of
contacting them).

Considering the watch offer, one would think they have some clue that it would
be Yello and not some other band whose name uses the color in it's title.

The asking price was near $200 and the claim was"mega-rare".

Stay tuned as we see how this unfolds.

All the Best,
FG

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From: Marko Patsikka <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) More about Billy's Baby
Date: 03 Feb 1998 20:22:56 +0200


>Just telling that Billy Mackenzie's "Baby" is available in
>http://www.utu.fi:80/~eihapa/yello/yel-eng.htm
>
>Song is written by B.Mackenzie/B.Blank produced by B.Blank
>
>(8 bit wav-file)

Hi!!

I got so many questions, so I specify a bit...

I mentioned earlier that this Baby is "clip". Actually it is full
version, that's why clip is quoted.
I think that one release these wav-files he doing something illegal,
maybe I was little bit too careful. :-)

I have to tell that I don't know how can I put it on FTP site!
Anyway, there is full version at my web site.

They released this 7" single track in Billy Mackenzie's solo album
Outernational
lp    Circa       UK-92          ??
cd    Circa       UK-92 + -94    CIRCD-22

By the way there is quite large Yello related discography in my site,
check it out! :-)

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From: nic <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) Audiophile
Date: 06 Feb 1998 08:10:11 GMT/BST


Hi I'd describe myself as an audiophile and I'd like to make a point or
two, that will hopefully bring it back on topic!

I have a vinyl playing system Dual CS505 and an Ortofon MC3. I also have
a CD system, a digital transport, and a discrete D to A converter, a
hybrid (bitstream/multibit) decoder.

Some stuff is just not available on vinyl anymore, music is analogue,
it's not my choice, but some modern digital recordings are OK, well
mastered.

There are a *HUGE* number of badly mastered digital recordings. Look at
the number of digital remasters going around, why could they not master
properly in the first place?

I own both Yello vinyl and CDs. I regret to say, that when comparing the
CD to the vinyl, the CD mastering is frankly terrible, particularly on
the earlier stuff, claro que se, solid pleasure, you gotta say yes and
stella.

on CD those albums sound dull, there is no detail, there is more
background dither (hiss) than actual music at the HF end. the stereo
image is poor. remember I am using better than your average CD player.

For those albums, the music only comes alive on vinyl.

The remaining albums are 'average' in comparison.

The exception, but I have not heard it on vinyl, is probably pocket
universe. on CD, dynamically it does stand out.

I really think that polygram/mercury, who seem to be responsible for the
mastering of yello's CDs have done them a serious injustice.

I know I'm saying that most of you who just have the CDs, own bad
(legal!) recordings. You don't have the choice of what to listen to, I
do.

I would like to see the music's owners producing a remastered set of the
old recordings, plus the rare stuff.

And remember, there are 1000's of CDs in this position. I only buy either
remastered or new CDs if I can't get what I want on vinyl. CD has been a
disappointment to me. It's not the technology, it's how the people
responsible for releasing the music have just not cared.

nic
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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Claro que si-questions
Date: 06 Feb 1998 09:44:54 CET


Hi everybody!
I have some linquistical questions regarding "Claro que si", that I hope
that you can help me (and perhaps some others?) with:

1. What does "Claro que si" mean?

2. In what language is "Cuad el habib" sung?

3. What does "Cuad el habib" mean?"

Hope you can help me out!
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) ...gotta be smart and more.
Date: 06 Feb 1998 10:36:42 +0100



> Hello!
>
    >I just uploaded a kind of noise to Shane's FTP-space, since I
seem to
    >be the only one on the list who has ever heard Dieter singing
"You
    >gotta be smart...".

Does anyone have any more info about this and also, the interviev with
Dr. van Steiner. Where does it come from ?

Regards

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Album ranking
Date: 06 Feb 1998 10:47:30 +0100


Hi again.

Ok, I've had some requests so I'll be happy to make a survey on how you
rank Yello albums. I was thinking that it only should contain their
original albums and not tribute albums or compilation albums.
I'll do it by giving your number one 1point, number two 2 points and so
on. The album with the lowest points will be no 1. If you also have any
special comments on your total ranking or any special album feel free to
add them (like why this album is the number one or why this album is
your lowest ranking).
Please mail your ranking to me personally and I will present it
hopefully in the middle of next week. That is if I get enough response
so it will make any reason.

Regards

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From: "Dmitry Shtilerman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Claro que si-questions
Date: 06 Feb 1998 12:59:08 +0300


Hi!

>1. What does "Claro que si" mean?

My colleague from Schweiz who speaks (more or less) many european languages,
says that "Claro que si" is Spanish for "Clear as yes!". This means
"absolutely clear".

>2. In what language is "Cuad el habib" sung?

In Arabic. Inside my "Claro Que Si" CD cover there is a funny transcription.
There is also scanned image of this text on Barry's site:

http://www.primenet.com/~spork/yello/albums/claro/ouad.gif

>3. What does "Cuad el habib" mean?"

I recall there was extensive discussion about that on this list. Basically,
even Arabic-speaking people can't agree on the meaning of this title, because
in different dialects of Arabic it means different things.

SY, Dmitry

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Audiophile
Date: 06 Feb 1998 13:19:22 +0100



I hope everybody listened to what Nic said.
A while ago I posted a question to Jonas about white noise on most Yello
CD's.
This is the same as the hissing Nic is talking about.
It is extremely recognisable in the beginning of "Zebra" but I think there
is one track who is almost killed by it.
Listen to all possible versions of 'Stalakdrama'.
I recal to have a version where the scream is sharp enough to go right to
the bone.
Sadly, I can't find it back. It's on tape and came from LP.
All I know is that the CD and CD-rom version are horrible. Instead of a
death cry, she's cheering.

Some people must be made clear that this is not the way to treat music.
Heads must roll. Please follow me in a great uproar against bad quality.
Remember, Boris and Dieter can't help it. I am sure the original is quite
perfect.
Some idiot at the record company makes mistakes like on the Hubble
telescope. (Not enough focus)

Or we must chuck away our NAD (expensive CD-player).

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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Claro que si-questions
Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:01:21 +0200


>From:    "Henrik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Betn=E9r"?= <[e-mail]>
>
>2. In what language is "Cuad el habib" sung?
>3. What does "Cuad el habib" mean?"

Ouad el Habib. Lyrics are available from various Yello pages.

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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) ...gotta be smart and more.
Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:03:34 +0200


>Does anyone have any more info about this and also, the interviev with
>Dr. van Steiner. Where does it come from ?

Must be from MTV Europe show. I have it on video tape -- very funny!

Juhana


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From: Andreas Andersson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Mp3's
Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:22:49 +0100



Hi,

I've uploaded some stuff to the rare Yello database:

Another Race (Magician's Version For Tempest & Cottet)
The Race (Sporting Mix)
Jingle Bells (Santa Club Mix) - superb!!
Live At The Roxy (14 MB) - I've tried to upload this before but lost the
connection after 3 MB.
Rubberbandman (Extended)
Suite 904 (Single Version)
Wall Street Bongo
Vicious Games (12" Version)
Vicious Games (Instrumental)

Remixes:
S'Express - Theme From S'Express  (Clearly Bostich in the background)
Ruffneck (feat. Yavahn) - Everybody Be Somebody - (Bostich)

I've also uploaded two soundclips from the European MTV show, where Yello
performed
and interview with dr Van Steiner (Dieter asking the questions and Boris
answering with
his samples) and the only "Yello Medley ever played"!
I used to have this on VHS but I accidently erased it, so if anyone out
there got it and would
like to send me a copy I'd be very grateful.

/Andreas




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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) White noise
Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:10:50 +0200


>From:    [e-mail]
>
>This is the same as the hissing Nic is talking about.
>It is extremely recognisable in the beginning of "Zebra"

My friend thought the hissing came to the beginning of Zebra from
effect devices. I mean, it would be natural to expect hiss after
heavy processing.

But it is odd anyway. The hiss should not be there!

What about the CD singles having other versions of the Suite?
Has they similar hiss?

But anyway, as written when Zebra came out, it was badly printed anyway.
The CDs sold here in Finland have many clicks. I have one clear and
many small ones (you have to pay attention to them before hearing them).
Physically the Zebra disc looks like it is used as a brake disc in the
car wheels --- the center has circular tracks from physical dress.

I'm sure it is mastered poorly. But I have no idea who masters the Yello
discs, Boris himself? Jonas could ask that as well along with the noise
questions.

>Some idiot at the record company makes mistakes like on the Hubble
>telescope. (Not enough focus)

Lets hang them high!! :-)

>P.S. If you get this mail and the font is red, I couldn't change it.

Very good joke. I didn't knew us-ascii can deliver colors too!
Lets send white text on white background to each other, right? Heheheee.

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Subject: (yello) FWD:Want List
Date: 06 Feb 1998 01:47:52 -0700 MST



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Hi there. I'm really interested in checking out some musick by the following
bands listed below, I know not all of them would be considered the style of
this list, but if anybody out there has any of this and could maybe swap me
a tape of some, or just give me a description of what the group is like, I'd
be most appreciative. Thanx. You can email me at [e-mail]

Asha Vida
Azusa Plane
Bevis Frond
Electric Frankenstein
Faust
Flying Saucer Attack
Fretless AZM
Fuxa
Ghost
Glide
Keiji Haino-Fushitsusha
High Rise
The Joykiller
Legendary Pink Dots ( I've only got 2 of their cd's)
Manic Street Preachers
Ruins
Saints
7% Solution
Transient Waves
Wesley Willis
YBO2-Alienation
Yellow Magic Orchestra
Zodiac


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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) MP3 Encoding Tools
Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:56:06 -0600


Hi All,

        I Have Designated a Location on the Site for Images of Good
Utilities. Included under This Directory is MP3Stuff. Here You Will Find the
Utils I Use for My Encodes (128Kers\256Kers).

        Help-YourSelf and Thanks Again for Your Rare Yello and New Music
Uploads!!!!!

        Keep-Em Comin!!!!    They Have Been GREAT Sooo Far!!!!!

Later Then,    Shane of FTP-Space

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From: "Rick Saal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Pocket Universe -- When it rains it pours
Date: 06 Feb 1998 11:57:57 -0800


When it rains it pours.  As a resident of Palo Alto, CA with sandbags at my
doors, this phrase has never been more appropriate.

More to the point though, my search for a copy of Pocket Universe has
resulted in my being sent two copies from internet cd cos.  Although I am
able to return one copy for a refund, I thought I'd check first to see if
anyone out there has been looking for a copy.   I may have paid too much,
but it cost me a total of $35.07 ($28.47+2.35 tax+4.25 s&h).  The cd
contains the bonus track "To the Sea."

This list is awesome.  Keep up the good work, y'all.

Thanks.

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Subject: Re: (yello) Claro que si-questions
Date: 06 Feb 1998 19:12:23 EST


In a message dated 98-02-06 03:47:05 EST, you write:

<< 1. What does "Claro que si" mean? >>


The reply I read previously is casically correct. One might use this
expression to positively affirm something another has said as in, "this is
true", "it certainly is",
"for sure", "It is clearly so". Moving to the U.S. south: "you got that
right", "roger that", "ain't no doubt about it" and so on.

Based on tone and usage it can mean near as many things as , "forget about it"
in New York speak (see Donnie Brasco for explanation of this term). Now that I
think of it, they can in fact be interchangeable in some situations.

     " 'Claro Que Si' a good song?-forget about it" (meaning -"undoubtable you
needn't even say")

      Salma Hayek's a knockout? Claro que si !


Regards,
    FG



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From: martino decarolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) White noise
Date: 07 Feb 1998 02:00:37 +0100


Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I'm sure it is mastered poorly. But I have no idea who masters the Yello
>discs, Boris himself? Jonas could ask that as well along with the noise
>questions.

I remember that Boris said in an interview (I have it on tape; I'll search
it...!) that he had problems with the earth contact in his new (interview
was in the early 90) studio; this could be a plausible explanation for
white noise, could it?

Regards,

Martino

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From: "Robert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Some rarities on the FTP site...
Date: 06 Feb 1998 13:07:32 -0600


Greetings again!

I am in the process of uploading some new Yello rarities for you all to
enjoy.

The first, and my personal favourite rarity, is this certain remix of
Bostich from 1991/1992 era - actual Yello remix (at least, the credits on
the CD says it's Yello). It's a very "ravey" remix. Worth the listen! (I
also encoded it at 192kbit/sec to preserve audio quality).

Filename: "[Yello] Bostich (New Life Mix).mp3"
Encoded: 192kbps

Perhaps you've all seen/heard about the ReWATCH company that Dieter owns.
Well, I actually own a ReWATCH. I bought the "special edition" in the tin
case with the free CD. The CD contains four mixes of a song called "Crash
Dance". Vocals were done by Dieter. Interesting industrial type of music.

Filename: "[Industrial Sound Orchestra] Crash Dance (A Day in April).mp3"

Encoded: 128kbps

All songs are complete with ID3 tags, CRC checks, and high quality mode.

All songs in:

/w:/mp3's/high quality (44.1khz@256kbps)/yello/rare yello uploads/




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From: Christopher Cook <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) New Yello mixes!!!
Date: 06 Feb 1998 20:50:28 -0800


Tonight I wandered in my local vinyl shop and was riffling through the
new shipment looking for some new choice drum and bass tracks.  What I
found was something entirely different: HARDFLOOR vs. YELLO- VICIOUS
GAMES.  So it has:

1. Hardfloor remix  (the usual 303 acid business)
2. remixed by boris and olaf wollschlaeger  (nice! and different
   sounding)
3. vorsprung durch technik remix  (incredible almost ambient mix!  The
   best V.G. mix ever in my opinion)

Basically a very solid release apparently availible on CD as well.  The
best part is this is only the beginning.  The fine print says this is
part 1 of a 3 part edition.  I'll be on the lookout for the rest of them
and post about whatever I find.  Good luck to everyone else with finding
these!  Must-have Yello fans (likely everyone here) e-mail me if you
would like me to pick up any additional copies if I find them.

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From: nic <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) White noise
Date: 06 Feb 1998 20:57:48 GMT/BST


>>From: [e-mail]
>>It is extremely recognisable in the beginning of "Zebra"
>
>From: Juhana
>My friend thought the hissing came to the beginning of Zebra from
>effect devices. I mean, it would be natural to expect hiss after
>heavy processing.

I'll try not to be too technical explaining this....

The problem with a digital sound system, if it's a sampler or a CD
recording, will have a problem when the bits 'switch', perfect silence is
0 (zero) of course. next up is 1. This would be heard as a digital click.

If you have a sound recorded digitally which is on the threshold of
silence or sound (0 or 1) then this 'clicking' will result.

The way they get around it is to introduce 'dither' which is white noise,
hiss, which stops the value ever dropping to 0, but it will be heard.
when they do this, they should also add pre-emphasis to the recording, a
bit like the Dolby-B system for tapes, to quieten the high frequency. A
few CD players indicate this when pre-emphasis is used.

In the case of Zebra, I think the sampler used for the bass was a bit
noisy, same reasons, different source.

>I'm sure it is mastered poorly. But I have no idea who masters the Yello
>discs, Boris himself? Jonas could ask that as well along with the noise
>questions.

A record company droid masters them at Mercury/Polygram. In some cases I
believe that the tape has deteriorated, and rather than spend time
cleaning the tape (yes this does happen, I know someone who works in a
tape archive), and clean the tape heads every few minutes, they turn down
the high frequency response. In some cases I know that each country makes
it's own digital master from the analogue source, I have no idea why this
is so, maybe legal reasons.

Personally I'd rather have the hiss than a dull sound. Remastering
usually goes back to the original multitracks, reproducing the mix, and
using a high resolution digital sampling system (24 bit typically) and
this is then processed down to 16 bit, with the dither or hiss being made
from the 8 'discarded' bits for the 16 bit recording. (that is an over
simplification).

In case you are wondering, yes there is audible hiss on records. You can
often hear the master tape start and stop, over the actual surface noise
of vinyl. Sometimes it's possible to hear the high pitch recording bias
of the tape machine as it gets up to speed.

As a matter of interest, many vinyl systems are supplied with poor, dull
sounding cartridges. My personal preference is Ortofon, the moving magnet
cartridges are as bright sounding as the moving coil (I have MC-3). I
find Shure and Stanton cartridges to be very dull in comparison, as well
as the lower end Goldring carts.

>>Some idiot at the record company makes mistakes like on the Hubble
>>telescope. (Not enough focus)

Not just Yello recordings, but most nearly all of the 'reissued' vinyl on
CD. However, also bear in mind I also have vinyl which has been poorly
mastered and sounds bad, but it's the exception rather than the rule.

It would be great if Boris would sit in and supervise a remastering
project. Their early music deserves to be treated with respect.

nic
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From: Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) White noise
Date: 07 Feb 1998 02:42:05 -0600 (CST)


I hesitated to post about audio since this is a list about Yello, but I
can't let this pass without comment/correction.

> The problem with a digital sound system, if it's a sampler or a CD
> recording, will have a problem when the bits 'switch', perfect silence is
> 0 (zero) of course. next up is 1. This would be heard as a digital click.

This supposed "click" would be extremely low-amplitude and 44.1KHz (or
other rate), and would be filtered out.  Possibly you are hearing the D/A
converter muting and unmuting in a system which is set to do that.  Or the
result of a mastering engineer who zeroes out between-track pauses and
such, so the levels may make a larger jump, which you can hear.

> The way they get around it is to introduce 'dither' which is white noise,
> hiss, which stops the value ever dropping to 0, but it will be heard.

This is not the purpose or the nature of dithering.  The basic idea is
that when the least-significant bit is adjusted with a fractal-noise
equation, or if you map a 20-bit signal into 16-bit, you reduce the
perceptible quantization error.  Also, if you take a sine wave, and fade
it out, as it fades it will look more and more like a square wave.  With
dithering you replace the extra harmonics with a small amount of noise.

> A record company droid masters them at Mercury/Polygram.

Mercury always made the worst vinyl.  Of course US vinyl was usually not
as good to start with, but Polygram vinyl from the UK or Germany was never
as good as say EMI or DG or just about anyone else for that matter.  So I
don't see why it is any surprise that the CDs may not be very good either.

> usually goes back to the original multitracks, reproducing the mix, and

This is usually impractical and frowned on.  I have only ever heard of
examples like George Martin reproducing a 2-track or 4-track mix for the
Beatles' albums up to _Rubber Soul_.  Anything more complicated than that
(most anything in the last 30 years) is not remixed.

--Mark


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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) White noise
Date: 07 Feb 1998 13:57:36 +0200


>From:    nic <[e-mail]>
>
>The problem with a digital sound system, if it's a sampler or a CD
>recording, will have a problem when the bits 'switch', perfect silence is
>0 (zero) of course. next up is 1. This would be heard as a digital click.

Silence as 0 is not in any special position, silence in 200 or whatever
is the same.

And such click will not be that audible. It is way below 90 dB.
And is it also on high frequency part of the spectrum? If a sudden
change from -32000 to 32000 occurs it is heard as a loud pop containing
low frequencies too only because the HiFi system cannot reproduce the
sound and the low freqs are introduced by the HiFi system. Low frequencies
are not done by the click sound itself.


>The way they get around it is to introduce 'dither' which is white noise,
>hiss, which stops the value ever dropping to 0

That is not the reason for making the dither. Dither increases the dynamics.


>when they do this, they should also add pre-emphasis to the recording, a
>bit like the Dolby-B system for tapes, to quieten the high frequency.

Don't know about that. Is there such system in every CD player? They look
if some "Dolby" bit is on and use different circuits to play the music?
Never heard of such thing. Perhaps a peak to CD standard could reveal the
thing.

Juhana


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From: "Robert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) ReWATCH: Explained
Date: 07 Feb 1998 10:53:07 -0600


I have had a few e-mail items from members of the list asking what exactly
"ReWATCH" is.

ReWATCH is a watch company that makes watches out of recycled aluminum cans
and leather from cars seats of Mercedes-Benzes. Very interesting to say the
least. But, the real kick in the pants is that Dieter owns this company.
Apparently he purched it in 1994 or 1995.

When the company did their "launch gala" in 1996 in New York City, a
"special edition" set was released. This release included a special
limited-edition ReWATCH (blue leather strap and bezel made of Budweiser
cans) along with a CD from "top industrial music artists" in a nifty metal
case. On their web site there is a small sample of of track 1. Upon
listening, you will know that it is Dieter doing vocals.

Knowing how much I enjoy Yello and the fact that the music on this CD was
"peppy", I was prepared to buy this set at any price. I paid $90 for it at
ReWATCH's American distributor "Watch World".

The watch itself is Swiss. Very sturdy and solidly built. Nice and heavy
Swiss chronometer. Keeps excellent time. It also is a nifty conversation
piece. People see it and ask "Wait a second... let me see that watch..."

If you beg me enough, I will give you track 2 off of the CD which is quite a
bit faster.

(The small card on the inside of the box set has a little info about
ReWATCH, signed by Dieter credited as "Musician and Watch Maker")

ReWATCH's web site: http://www.rewatch.com/




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Audiophile
Date: 07 Feb 1998 13:29:47 EST


Nic wrote:=0A=0A<< Some stuff is just not available on vinyl anymore, mus=
ic is analogue,  >>=0A=0AI'm sorry, but "analogue" is merely the name of =
a particular process by which=0Asound can be recorded and replayed. Digit=
al recording pre-dates the widespread=0Aavailability of the CD and thus a=
 number of LPs (mainly classical) were=0Areleased in the late seventies/e=
arly eighties where the music was recorded=0Adigitally. The late Herbert =
von Karajan was something of a pioneer in ensuring=0Athis became the acce=
pted standard for classical recordings, at least.=0A=0A<< There are a *HU=
GE* number of badly mastered digital recordings. Look at =0A the number o=
f digital remasters going around, why could they not master =0A properly =
in the first place? >>=0A=0ABuyers of "rock" music have never been well s=
erved by record companies. This=0Awas equally true when LPs were the pref=
erred format. I remember only too well=0Athe lengths I would have to go t=
o, to acquire a scratch-free copy of some LPs.=0AHowever when the CD took=
 off as a format, partly in order to meet demand and=0Apartly out of gree=
d and a feeling that no-body would notice the difference,=0Amany analogue=
 recordings of "rock" music were speedily transferred to CD, with=0Alittl=
e care being taken as to the end result. This particularly affected music=
=0Arecorded in the sixties and seventies and many of the resultant transf=
ers were=0Aof a very poor quality indeed. Jimmy Page's work re-mastering =
the Led Zeppelin=0Acatalogue, however showed what could be achieved in th=
e area of "rock" music=0Aand where the record company has been prepared t=
o provide the funds, others=0Ahave followed suit.=0A=0AIn addition, techn=
ology is also constantly improving and noise reduction=0Atechniques are b=
eing continually refined - so that some of the earliest stereo=0Arecordin=
gs made back in the 1950s, such as Fritz Reiner's recordings of=0AStrauss=
 with the Chicago SO can appear as "new". If Yello have parted company=0A=
with Phonogram maybe the parting shot will be a boxed set of re-masters, =
if it=0Ais felt the demand is there.=0A=0AI don't actually feel that Yell=
o have, relatively speaking, suffered badly in=0Athis respect - the CD of=
 "Stella" for example is digitally mixed and mastered=0A(most "rock" CDs =
are AAD) and when I bought it (so I would have something for=0ADieter to =
sign, when I "met" him) I did not feel any need to retain my vinyl=0Acopy=
 of the album. I'm afraid I would disagree with you in your comments abou=
t=0Amost of the other albums as well - the exceptions being the first 3 a=
lbums=0Asince I have retained my vinyl copies and have not heard these al=
bums on CD.=0A=0A<< remember I am using better than your average CD playe=
r. >>=0A....  I know I'm saying that most of you who just have the CDs, o=
wn bad =0A (legal!) recordings. You don't have the choice of what to list=
en to, I =0A do. >>=0A=0AWill I'm sure you don't intend to be, you tend t=
o come across as patronising,=0Aarrogant and I personally felt somewhat i=
nsulted the first time I read this. I=0Awould think quite there are quite=
 a number of people on this list who have=0Abeen listening to Yello for q=
uite sometime and either own or have owned the=0Amusic on vinyl - you alm=
ost seem to be claiming you are unique in this=0Arespect. Again most peop=
le on this list (I would like to think) care about=0Amusic and possess hi=
-fi equipment that would be considered to be better than=0A"average" - wh=
atever that means.  =0A=0AThe arrival of the CD has lead to a much greate=
r range of music being=0Aavailable than at any time in the past. The exte=
nded playing time means that=0Amany pieces of music can be heard as they =
were intended to be ie without an=0Aunnatural break while the listener fi=
nds him or her having to change sides=0Amidway through a piece. Complaint=
s that digital recordings lack "warmth" are=0Areceding into the past as t=
echnology improves and such criticisms were more=0Athan a little subjecti=
ve anyway. Inevitably "rock" music has lagged behind in=0Athis regard, fo=
r reasons mentioned above. To me the superiority of the CD as a=0Amedium =
is best illustrated by the many fine recordings that companies such as=0A=
ECM, Chandos, Decca and Deutsche Grammophon (for example) put out. Howeve=
r=0Aslowly but surely more aware "rock" artists are ensuring the same sta=
ndards=0Aare applied to their own work, in the case of Yello surely "Pock=
et Universe"=0Ais tribute to this.=0A=0AFinally if someone gave me say =
=A3500 (pick your own currency) I would much=0Arather spend it on acquiri=
ng more music, than the diminishing returns that are=0Ato be gained from =
increasingly expensive hi-fi. In the end it's the music that=0Amatters.=
=0A=0AAndrew Wales=[e-mail]=0A



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello Fanaticism
Date: 07 Feb 1998 16:44:39 EST


In a message dated 98-02-03 08:27:26 EST, you write:

<< > I'd also be interested to see how many Yello fans are audiophiles. >>

A big defently here!
Julian


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Audiophile
Date: 07 Feb 1998 16:52:42 EST


In a message dated 98-02-03 09:06:57 EST, you write:

<< Signs of audiophiles:
 - expensive CD player
 - either very good speakers or a very good headset
 - doesn't like stuff on tape. >>
Agree 100%.
Julian


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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) NEW Samples
Date: 08 Feb 1998 05:32:05 -0600


Hey,

I Threw-Up Some More Samples for EveryOne from My Collection-O-Tunage.....

Hope You Enjoy!!!!!!!

Hisham-The Mask.mp3  from His First Album   "Somewhere in a Dream"

Deep Forest-Freedom Cry.mp3   They are LOVE to Play with PHASE. Strange for
the Ear, but FUN!!!!
Deep Forest-Savana Dance.mp3   VERY VERY  FUN PHASING in This One!!!!

Dead Can Dance-Stretched on Your Grave.mp3
Dead Can Dance-Yulunga.mp3
                -These are Both from a Live Album of D.C.D. This has Got to
Be One of the Best Live Recording I have EVER Heard!!! They Have Been Around
Forever. Very Dark\Kinda Mid-Eastern\Haunting Voices   Love It!!!!!

Hope You Enjoy.

Shane of FTP-SPACE



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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) FTP-Site Activity
Date: 08 Feb 1998 05:22:45 -0600


Hi All,

        I Love the Yello Rares the Site Has Aquired. I Never Realized This
Stuff Existed!!!! I Can Sure Tell Which Ones are Comin Off of Vinyl!!!

        The Rare UpLoads are VERY Appreciated. I Have Noticed That the
Quality of Most of the Encodes That are Reaching the Site are of VERY Low
Quality (Except for the Obvious Live and Odd Sourced) I Have Made Some
Encoding Utils Available for Those Who Want to Do Thier Own Encodes. These
are the Utils I Use for All of My Encoding Needs, and Recommend Then To
You!!!!  You Will Notice That ALL the Yello I Encode are in 256K\44.1, They
Deserve no Lesss from Me. understanding That Most of Us are on Slow
Connections 128Kers Seems Necessary, Although Judging from the Caliber and
Quality of People Who Indulge Their Ears in Yello, Would Greatly Appreciate
the High-Quality 256K Encoding Techniques. They Take a GOD-AWFull Amount of
Time to Encode, but Sound Wonderfull. 128Kers are NASTY at Best. If 128Kers
are the Only Way It's Gonna Happen, Then Please DownLoad the MP3 Compressor
from the Utils DIR  (D:\IMAGES\)  and Use it in SLOWMODE NOT QUICKMODE for
Your Encodes, it is the Best Quality 128K Encoding Method Avail. Right Now
Available from My Experience. Please Visit This Site for More MP3 Encoding
and Playing Info. Cedric Has Done a Wonderfull Job with the Site
www.mp3bench.com    Also Visit www.rockpark.com for a Wake-Up Call about the
Quality of the Consumer Sound-Cards Most of Us Use for Reproducing MP3
Music. Scarey Shit Hey!!!!!!!

        AnyWay Enough Mumbling Outta This Kid........

        There is Consistently 3 or 4 Yello Logins Alone on the Site Grabbing
the Rares from Our Fellow Yello Patrons. Thanks Again!!!!   Oh and Share
Some of Your Other Artist Samples with Us. I am Hoping to Learn about New
Musicians Similair to Yello and Other.  Will Be Adding Two More Favorite
Artists. MANY of You Have Sampled My Other Artists. I Hoped You Enjoyed
Them!!!!

                                    Oh and Haunted House Rocks!!!!!!

             The "Pocket Universe Album" is ANNOYING!!!!!! I Can't Beleive I
Actually Hate a Yello Album. First of All I Paid $20.00 for It!!! (IMPORT
from Germany)  Second the Chick in "To the Sea", Well I'll Just Say She Sure
makes Me Long for Shirley Bassey. I Find Her Voice More Annoying Then the
Whistling in "Haunted House". An They Had to Throw a BONUS Track of the
Worst Song on the CD!!!! Second, Well Probably Sounds Strange BUT Track 11
Reminds Me Of Some Moody Blues Tune. I LOVE the Moody's, and This Sounds
Like One of Their Tunes. His Deiter's Voice too!!!!! STRANGE!!!! I Am So
Used to Yello Sounding Original.  The ONLy Two Songs That are Working for Me
After About 12 Listenings is   Magnetic and Resistor.  Call Me   Nuts
I am Nuts..........

Shane of FTP-Space   (I Picked up Claro Cue Si at the Same Time. LOVED IT
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Hardfloor vs Yello
Date: 08 Feb 1998 14:00:31 +0100


I've been searching for this item in numerous
Net CD shops, but no sign of it, neither are there
any info on it in the few Hardfloor sites I checked.
Strange. This might be the collaboration tha Boris
did while I was in Zurich - it was kind of secret since
they weren't sure if it was going to be released at all.
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From: Bonzo <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) MP3 probs.
Date: 08 Feb 1998 13:23:20 -0000


Hello,
    How do you get to Shane`s FTP site with Internet Explorer 4? I`ve tried the browser link he posted but it doesn`t seem to work.
I may be being a bit thick here but I don`t know what to do with that TCP/IP address either.
I`m eager to hear the rare stuff and could perhaps put some of my own 12`s on there. The rarest stuff I have is probably `Desire For
Desire` and Kevin Saunderson `Bostich` remixes.

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From: "Chris Norton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Claro que si-questions
Date: 09 Feb 1998 07:33:45 EST


>
><< 1. What does "Claro que si" mean? >>
>

If you listen to the version of "Pinball Cha-Cha" on that album (NOT the
one on "New Mix...", Dieter actually sings something like:

    "Claro que si" is "Yes, and for sure!" ....

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From: nic <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello remasters
Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:31:24 GMT/BST


I'd started to compose a long reply to the posts about CD, but I'd only
end up antagonising and going off topic. If you want me to qualify what
I've said, take it to personal email. I apologise now if anyone else has
felt insulted or patronised.

I do not have a problem with digital audio, however, I personally feel
that the people responsible for the early European CDs of Yello could
have done a lot better, achieving the equivalent dynamics of Pocket
Universe.

My original point, is that I would like to hear the Yello back catalogue
remastered, by Boris.

Music _is_ analogue, or should I say sound. The final mixdown went onto
(I guess) 1/2 inch tape at 30 i.p.s. That's how Boris intended it to
sound.

That sound was at the mercy of those controlling the lathe cutting the
master disk. They are able to fiddle with the dynamics, in order to get
those grooves cut. (I know someone who used to do this for a living).

Similarly, in the digital world, I wonder exactly how much time was spent
aligning this old tape to the running characteristics of the playing
machine, and if the sample level was set to use the full dynamic range
available. Of this I'm very dubious, I wonder if Boris has heard the
commercial CD release of his albums, and how he thinks it compares with
the studio version.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Who
Date: 09 Feb 1998 08:22:38 +0100



>Salma Hayek's a knockout? Claro que si !
Who???

Beekie




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) White noise
Date: 09 Feb 1998 08:26:08 +0100



>I remember that Boris said in an interview (I have it on tape; I'll search
>it...!) that he had problems with the earth contact in his new (interview
>was in the early 90) studio; this could be a plausible explanation for
>white noise, could it?
Claro que si, but if this was the reason for our problem, I wouldn't
believe Boris would let things stay this way. Certainly not untill the
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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Stina vs Shirley
Date: 09 Feb 1998 09:04:11 -0000


Second the Chick in "To the Sea", Well I'll Just Say She Sure
makes Me Long for Shirley Bassey.

Long for Shirley Bassey? Come on! She's an "ageing relic" who appeared
on what is probably Yello's worst song - The Rythm Divine. Stina Nordenstam
& Shirley Bassey? - no contest, Stina wins hands down.

Yours,

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) IE4
Date: 09 Feb 1998 11:14:47 +0100



>How do you get to Shane`s FTP site with Internet Explorer 4?

You wait for Internet explorer 5 and if you are very lucky,.....




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From: "Dmitry Shtilerman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) IE4
Date: 09 Feb 1998 13:32:19 +0300


Hi!


>>How do you get to Shane`s FTP site with Internet Explorer 4?
>You wait for Internet explorer 5 and if you are very lucky,.....


No need to wait! Use the following URL (without quotes, of course):

"ftp://Yello:Yello@152.65.243.239:2666/~/"

SY, Dmitry

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Album Ranking II
Date: 09 Feb 1998 16:55:02 +0100


Hi again !

I have started to receive rankings, but I need some more. The more the
better. Don't stop sending them. I will present the result on thursday
or friday.
For a teaser I can say that I'm a bit surprised over the result so far.

Regards

Eric


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From: Marko PΣtsikkΣ <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) two unknown!? promo's
Date: 08 Feb 1998 13:02:02 +0200


Hi!!

I was bought today one 5" cd single and one 5" cdmx, which ones any
discographies don't includes. (  except mine!! :-)  )

Here is more info...
--------------------
cds..Mercury..GR-96..ASAP005 (50630789 01) stickered promo, no sleeve,
picture disc=20

- picture almost same as "PU"
- This one was published -96, other "To..." were published in -97

1.To The Sea..3:52..Radio Version/Northern Mix..Remix by STEVE B-ZET

No sleeve, record with text "for promotional use only"

There is sticker on sleeve, with Finnish text:
 "YELLO 'To The Sea'" - ensimm=E4inen single YELLOn uudelta albumilta
'Pocket Universe', joka julkaistaan helmi-maaliskuun vaihteessa"=20

.....translated:
"YELLO 'To The Sea'" - the first single from YELLO's new album 'Pocket
Universe', which will be published at the turn of the February - March"

And other one:

cdmx..Mercury..UK 24.08.-92..MERCD-376..press stickered promo, coloured
disc

   1.Jungle Bill.....3:50.....Single Version.....Remix by BORIS BLANK=20
   2.Jungle Bill.....6:22.....Big Pig Shuffle.....Remix by BORIS BLANK=20
   3.Jungle Bill.....7:59.....Space Shuffle......Remix by BORIS BLANK=20
   4.Jungle Bill.....8:24.....Voodoo Fudge Mix......Remix by BORIS BLANK=20
   5.Jungle Bill.....8:39.....Chicken Dive Mix......Remix by BORIS BLANK

- Sleeve to Go! Big-Active
- Different sleeve and disc than German issues. There is only text using
green/yellow/red colours.
- There is two stickers on sleeve, one with text:
"Promo only not for sale. Vertigo and associated labels. 081 741 1212
Release date 24 Aug 1992"
- And second is press release sticker with text:
"Jungle Bill is the new single from Yello taken from their latest album
Baby which appears here in a new re-mix form. This single will be
featured along with 15 other classics such as The Race, Oh Yeah and
Rhythm Divine on the forthcoming Essential Yello compilation due for
release at the end on September. Jungle Bill is released on Aug
24th;watch out for the groovy dance re-mixes on the cd."=20

Marko P=E4tsikk=E4, Nuolemontie 17 A3, 21420 Lieto, [phone]
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) FTP Access
Date: 09 Feb 1998 05:13:36 -0600 (CST)


Hi,

     I Just Happen to Be Out on Site Working on Computers When I Read the E-Mails About Trouble Accessing the Site from IE40. I Tried Her Out of Sheer Curiosity. It Hit First Try with:

ftp://Yello:Yello@152.65.243.239:2666/~

What and How is This Not Working for Some People. (Just Confused in General)

Later Then   Shane   (Mumbling Aimlessly!!)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Shirley and Stina
Date: 09 Feb 1998 05:07:50 -0600 (CST)


I Think We Need a Vote Here!!!!!

Shirley is BY FAR More Epic Even in "Rhythm Divine" Then This Stina Whoever (Where's They Scrap Her Up\Put Her Back PLEASE!!!!).

AnyOne Care to Comment??? To THE SEA is Scrap Material Sue to Her Noise!!!

(Laughing and Curious!!!)   Shane Foss


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From: "Andrew Elisov" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:54:38 +0300
Date: 09 Feb 1998 13:12:22 -0700


Hi, All!

Just subscribed to yello mailing list.
can anyone say where is SHANE FTP space located ?

via E-Mail plz: [e-mail]

thanx in advance
sorry if the question are frequency asked :(


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From: Matthias Egerland <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Shirley and Stina
Date: 09 Feb 1998 22:22:16 +0100


Am 09-Feb-98 bug [e-mail] an einer Workstation und folgendes kam dabei
heraus:

>Shirley is BY FAR More Epic Even in "Rhythm Divine" Then This Stina Whoever
>(Where's They Scrap Her Up\Put Her Back PLEASE!!!!).

>AnyOne Care to Comment???

I would like to suggest not to try to compare two artists of a very different
style. I like them both (though I have to admit that it took some time untill
I was able to 'understand' the sound of Stina's voice). I think it is kind of
typically for Yello that their music fits many different styles (without
makeing anyone not be able to recognize that it is Yello) and as I really like
that, I like the attempt of using these very different singers, too.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Shirley and Stina
Date: 09 Feb 1998 17:16:01 EST


My thoughts are very much aligned with Matthias' on this issue.

Apples and oranges.

With the addage, "Silence is consent" in mind, I must add that the increase
in subjective blathering does nothing to enhance the quality of this privilege
we have where thouughts on Yello can be shared.

Furthermore, I'd like to ask, how many tracks can truely be regarded as "rare"
?
There has to be a limit to this too. Another excess?

Regards,
  Fred

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) NEW Samples
Date: 09 Feb 1998 17:22:54 EST


In a message dated 98-02-08 06:30:55 EST, you write:

<< Hisham-The Mask.mp3  from His First Album   "Somewhere in a Dream >>

This is really nice it's produced by Mars Lasar! (with an Arabic classical
flavor)
Julian


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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) FTP Space Problems
Date: 09 Feb 1998 16:28:32 -0600


I Apoligive to Everyone for the Lack of Space on the Site. It is Not My
Server, and the Guy Who Owns the Site is BROKE. I Will Jump on and Push Some
Things Around in Attempt to Free Some Space.

Please Retry Your UpLoads Tonight. Thanks for Your understanding!!!!

Shane of FTP-Space



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From: "Simon McBurney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) FTP
Date: 10 Feb 1998 08:32:18 +1100


So has anyone worked out the problem and how to access the ftp site through
IE4. Please let us know

Simon McBurney




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Stina vs Shirley
Date: 09 Feb 1998 17:32:15 EST


In a message dated 98-02-09 04:14:06 EST, you write:

<< Long for Shirley Bassey? Come on! She's an "ageing relic" who appeared
 on what is probably Yello's worst song - The Rythm Divine. Stina Nordenstam
 & Shirley Bassey? - no contest, Stina wins hands down. >>

Hmm strange. I have other two friends that love Yello and they also hate
"Rhythm Divine". I took me a little while to like it too, but now I love it.
So I think other people out there that do not like the song. I personally like
the Sherly song much better. Its its.... colasel.
Julian


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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Found It!!!
Date: 09 Feb 1998 16:57:32 -0600


Me Again!!!!

The Drive Holding My LOG File Filled Up and the Server Doftware Would Not
Allow ANY Up\Down Activity Unless it Could Write to the Log File. SUCKS!!!

AnyHow I Have Cleared Space for All Transactions. The Site is Operational
Again!!!!!!

Those Having Trouble with Downs\Ups  PLEASE TRY AGAIN!!!

Thanks Again for Your Understanding...


Shane of FTP-Space......


Thanks for Letting Me Know!!!



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From: Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) FTP server
Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:08:01 -0600 (CST)


Many thanks to all the contributors!  I suspect the only rarities I can
offer have already been uploaded, but I will double-check.

A suggestion for those uploading: Maybe you could also include a text file
that says where the track came from?  For some tracks (e.g. Desire V2), I
don't know if it is something I already have, and also I don't want to be
deterred from uploading something because of the mistaken idea that
someone already uploaded it.

--Mark

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From: "Simon McBurney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) ftp server
Date: 10 Feb 1998 11:10:56 +1100


It is now 11:00 am in Austalia. what time is where the ftp server is, and
when would be the best time to try and log in and hopefully work.

Simon




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From: "Gary Wingert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) FTP Access
Date: 09 Feb 1998 20:21:32 -0800


>     I Just Happen to Be Out on Site Working on Computers When I Read the
E-Mails About Trouble Accessing the Site from IE40. I Tried Her Out of Sheer
Curiosity. It Hit First Try with:
>
>ftp://Yello:Yello@152.65.243.239:2666/~
>
>What and How is This Not Working for Some People. (Just Confused in
General)


Anyone trying to go thru their firewall at work will probably be stuck
there,
because of the non-standard port address.  If your firewall is of the
[e-mail]
type of proxy server, you can use an ftp client (you'll need to know the
name
of your firewall).  You can use the Windows ftp.exe client from a MS-DOS
box.  In the example below, "firewall" is the host name of the firewall:

C:\WINDOWS> ftp firewall
Login:  Yello@152.65.243.239  2666
Password:  Yello

And in you go!
Also, you MUST do this from a Windows ftp client.  If you try the same from
a unix client, you'll run into trouble because of the spaces in the
directory
and filenames.

gary



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From: "Simon McBurney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) (Yello) Cleanup Music
Date: 10 Feb 1998 17:54:39 +1100


Hey,


if anyone has very old Yello stuff which comes off Vinyl or is of very bad
quality, I have a rather good "MUSIC RESTORATION PROGRAM", which I'm sure
some of you might want to use. If you have anything you want restored, then
let me know. I might have a go at some of the stuff off the Rare Yello Track
FTP server.

Hope I can help.

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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Stina vs Shirley
Date: 10 Feb 1998 09:41:27 CET


>>Second the Chick in "To the Sea", Well I'll Just Say She Sure
>>makes Me Long for Shirley Bassey.
>
>Long for Shirley Bassey? Come on! She's an "ageing relic" who >appeared
on what is probably Yello's worst song - The Rythm Divine. >Stina
Nordenstam & Shirley Bassey? - no contest, Stina wins hands >down.
>

OK! Please hold your hammers! Let's not start another piefight over a
subjective matter, like who's the best guest-vocalist. We'll never get
along, anyway! At least let's keep it between each other and off the
list, eh?
Stay soft!

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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) two unknown!? promo's
Date: 10 Feb 1998 10:25:48 CET


>And other one:
>
>cdmx..Mercury..UK 24.08.-92..MERCD-376..press stickered promo, coloured
>disc
>
>   1.Jungle Bill.....3:50.....Single Version.....Remix by BORIS
BLANK=20
>   2.Jungle Bill.....6:22.....Big Pig Shuffle.....Remix by BORIS
BLANK=20
>   3.Jungle Bill.....7:59.....Space Shuffle......Remix by BORIS
BLANK=20
>   4.Jungle Bill.....8:24.....Voodoo Fudge Mix......Remix by BORIS
BLANK=20
>   5.Jungle Bill.....8:39.....Chicken Dive Mix......Remix by BORIS
BLANK
>
>- Sleeve to Go! Big-Active
>- Different sleeve and disc than German issues. There is only text
using
>green/yellow/red colours.
>- There is two stickers on sleeve, one with text:
>"Promo only not for sale. Vertigo and associated labels. 081 741 1212
>Release date 24 Aug 1992"
>- And second is press release sticker with text:
>"Jungle Bill is the new single from Yello taken from their latest album
>Baby which appears here in a new re-mix form. This single will be
>featured along with 15 other classics such as The Race, Oh Yeah and
>Rhythm Divine on the forthcoming Essential Yello compilation due for
>release at the end on September. Jungle Bill is released on Aug
>24th;watch out for the groovy dance re-mixes on the cd."=20
>

I'm sorry but there's nothing new with this one, is it? It's just a
promo version of the Jungle Bill-remix single, with the same remixes as
the standard single. The "To the sea"-single must be a standard
radiopromo-single. Most radiostations gets singles with only one song on
it, so that they won't get the option to choose another version/track on
it. It stinks, but unfortunately, most of record industry does...



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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) To The Sea
Date: 10 Feb 1998 09:51:29 -0000


Hi all,
       I haven't checked the FTP site yet, but is the 'Bangin' Mix'
of To The Sea up there? I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated.

Yours,

James Gillett     [e-mail]


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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) (Yello) Cleanup Music
Date: 10 Feb 1998 14:48:42 +0200


>From:    "Simon McBurney" <[e-mail]>
>
>if anyone has very old Yello stuff which comes off Vinyl or is of very bad
>quality, I have a rather good "MUSIC RESTORATION PROGRAM", which I'm sure

What means "rather good" in this case? Have you somehow tested the program?
What were results? Is the program some shareware? Commercial? By respectable
company?

Ok, I'm critical and comments like "if you don't like it, don't use it"
are not applicable.

Can you remove the quiet but numerous pops from "The Race (Sporting Mix)"?
How the program does its job? That info should be available for you.


People want good quality but I don't see pretty much reason for that.
I wait until the vinyl rarities are rereleased officially. Until then
I'm satisfied with the existing quality.

About the bit rate. Original material is often poor. There is no reason to
make 256 kbps mpeg of the C cassette copy because there is no high freqs on
the tape.

Some vinyls on mp3s like "The Race (Sporting Mix)" sound like they
are poorly handled. No vinyl in my collection sound that crispy. :-)
There is no sense to expect good quality miracles coming out of such
source material.

However, high pitched pops and clicks on the source makes the mpeg encoder
work poorly. You actually have to use higher bit rate.


I'm sure most of people don't know what they are doing. Coders and
other advanced stuff are just black boxes. Specially the "gottabe.mp3"
("Gotta be smart") sounds terrible because, as I see it, mpeg encoder
simply cannot encode it. It is beyond encoder's limits.

What encoders you use? I have read warnings about Xing products.
Fraunhofer-IIS ($$$/warez) and MPEG committee's example implementation
(public domain) are only ones I will use. Do you test your encoder
against other encoders before you use it?

I would like to know with what mpeg encoder the "gottabe.mp3" (128kbps)
was made because it sounds like 64 kbps of the encoder I use. Though,
I'm not sure if the distortions came from the noise removing programs
used for it. Perhaps we could test the cleaning program with the original
audio of "Gotta be Smart". I would like to have the original audio "as is"
with all clicks and noises.

Many mpegs are "joint-stereo" -- what it means? I use "stereo" just in
case joint-stereo is taking too much stereo effects away. Anyone know
how the joint-stereo really affects?

Well, I simply will wait for the official rarities release. And if it
is released, I will only use time to clean-up those songs which were not
released.


I agree with a previous writer who suggested some readme file such that
we know what already are converted to mp3. It could be a html file with
links to songs in the ftp directory.

Yours,

Juhana


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Homework
Date: 10 Feb 1998 15:55:17 +0100


Everybody, take your "New mix in one go" and listen to track 3 'The
evening's young'.
Do not listen to the rest of the CD.
If it has been a while, you might feel the song has changed.
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From: "decen.svensson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) 3 questions
Date: 10 Feb 1998 19:04:09 +0100



-----Does anyone know if Boris & Dieter have any e-mail?
Are they possibly  attending at this mailing list?
Who is Patrizia Fontana?

Three big questions in my life! If anyone could answer them I would be much
happier.

Daniel Svensson



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From: Marko Patsikka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) two unknown!? promo's
Date: 10 Feb 1998 20:12:35 +0200


> I'm sorry but there's nothing new with this one, is it? It's just a
> promo version of the Jungle Bill-remix single, with the same remixes as
> the standard single.

Now I get it, I taught that also UK issues have same painted sleeves as
German issues.

> The "To the sea"-single must be a standard
> radiopromo-single. Most radiostations gets singles with only one song > on it, so that they won't get the option to choose another > version/track on it. It stinks, but unfortunately, most of record > industry does...

That's new for me. When I used to be a dance club DJ I get all real
stuff, but radiosatation business I don't know anything ...actually now
I know a little bit!

But I think that these radio promo is quite funny piece in my Yello
collection. :-)

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From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: SV: (yello) 3 questions
Date: 10 Feb 1998 22:58:41 +0100


>-----Does anyone know if Boris & Dieter have any e-mail?

They don't.

>Are they possibly  attending at this mailing list?

No way.

>Who is Patrizia Fontana?

Boris' woman.

>Three big questions in my life! If anyone could answer them I would be much
>happier.

Hoppas det... :-)

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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) MP3 Quality Issues
Date: 10 Feb 1998 16:25:58 -0600


AnyOne on the List Actually interested in the Quality Issues Associated with
the MP3 Compression Format. Check out    www.mp3bench.com    An Excellant
Site Devoted to the OverAll Quality of the Format, and Lask There Of. 128Ks
are Known Ugly in the MP3 World, Especially When Encoded in the QUICK Modes
Which is the Prefeered By Most People. Most People Don't Give a Rat's Ass
About Quality!!  All My Yello is 256K Due to the Nasty Results I Had with
All 128K Processes with Their Material. Could Not Stand Them!!!

        Also Take Into Consideration the Sound-Card That's Grunting These
Encodes. The Consumer Level Sound Cards That We Use for PlayBack are Far
from AudioPhile or Even Basic CD-Quality Standards. Their Basically nasty
for PlayBack. (DACs and Analog Output Sections SUCK!!) Jump on this Sitefor
More Info on Testing Done on These Cards.  www.rockpark.com

Later    Shane Foss



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Stina vs Shirley
Date: 10 Feb 1998 19:29:02 EST


In a message dated 10/02/98 08:43:32 GMT, you write:

<< OK! Please hold your hammers! Let's not start another piefight over a
 subjective matter, like who's the best guest-vocalist.  >>

I can't but help agree with this.

"The Rhythm Divine" anyway, featured a considerable contribution from the late
Billy Mackenzie who wrote the lyrics and provided backing vocals. In that
sense it's not a typical Yello track anyway and I also have a recollection of
it being performed in the UK on "Wogan" (a UK prime-time chat show of the
day), pretty much as a Shirley Bassey number with Boris and Dieter remaining
very much in the background.

Stina Nordenstam is a very different kind of artiste to Miss Bassey, indeed a
better comparison would be with Bjork (and that's not simple because of their
shared Northern European origins but more to do with the very singular and
original nature of their work). As a fan of Stina's long before her Yello
collaboration I was sad to see the way some contributors to this list seem
happy to trivialise her as an individual. Of her three albums, the last two
"Dynamite" and "And She Closed Her Eyes" are really pretty exceptional pieces
of work - as a quick listen to "I see you again" from the latter album should
prove. Before "To the Sea" she also collaborated with Vangelis on a single
"Ask the Mountains" which I'd be surprised if it didn't appeal to more than a
few people on this list.

To me the consistent quality of those people who Boris and Dieter have chosen
to work with is simply a measure of their good taste in these matters and
little is to be gained by spurious comparisons as to who's better than who -
just enjoy the music.

By the way I personally am getting a little weary of the amount of mail I am
receiving about technicalities relating to sound files etc., is this really
strictly relevant to the purposes of this list ?

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From: Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) new files coming
Date: 10 Feb 1998 19:54:27 -0600 (CST)


I'm in the process of uploading these:

Call it Love (Trego Snare)
Goldrush I
Goldrush II
Oh Yeah (Indian Summer Version)
Rubberband Man (Rubber Version)

All high-quality 128K MPEG Layer-3 from CDs.

I intend to encode a few tracks from vinyl shortly, such as "Tool In Rose"
and a couple of extended mixes from _Stella_ and _...Another Excess_.  If
so, I will clean up the vinyl with Sound Forge, but only if there is
really something to be gained sound-wise.  So if you were going to encode
one of these, let's try not to duplicate our efforts.  Particularly if you
do not have excellent sound equipment (A/D converter, software, etc.)

Anyone interested in stuff like "Tied Up in Africa" or "The Race (Pits
Mix)"? (non-Boris mixes but rather good IMO)

--Mark

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From: Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Cleanup Music
Date: 10 Feb 1998 20:09:04 -0600 (CST)


Let me know which of the files are taken from vinyl and/or files which you
think are not encoded as well as they should.  I have quite a lot of Yello
CD singles and 12" vinyl, good playback, and very good digital recording
and editing/cleanup.  Also the real Fraunhofer encoder.

I'll give preference to tracks which are not already on the server (see
last message), but after that I'm willing to re-do some that may not have
turned out as well as people hoped.  (If I have the track, naturally...)

--Mark



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From: Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) (Yello) Cleanup Music
Date: 10 Feb 1998 20:17:10 -0600 (CST)


> Can you remove the quiet but numerous pops from "The Race (Sporting Mix)"?
> How the program does its job? That info should be available for you.

Was this from the "Nuns on the Run" promo?  If so, I have a US promo CDS
which I can encode in no time.  I'll take a closer look.  As I recall, the
disc contains at least a "Swiss Mix" and "Rockamerica Mix" (or something
to that effect).

Otherwise, what is the source?

--Mark



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From: clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Claro que si-questions
Date: 11 Feb 1998 00:29:37 -0800


Chris Norton wrote:
>
> >
> ><< 1. What does "Claro que si" mean? >>
> >
>
> If you listen to the version of "Pinball Cha-Cha" on that album (NOT the
> one on "New Mix...", Dieter actually sings something like:
>
>     "Claro que si" is "Yes, and for sure!" ....


I was told it meant, "But, of course!" which, I think, fits the song
perfectly.

Harold

Swingin' in Austin


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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Re: Soundfiles & technophilia
Date: 11 Feb 1998 15:21:21 CET


>
>By the way I personally am getting a little weary of the amount
of mail
I am
>receiving about technicalities relating to sound files etc., is
this
really
>strictly relevant to the purposes of this list ?
>
>Andrew Wales
>[e-mail]
>
This time it's my turn to say that I totally agree. Since I'm not
interested in MP3's and stuff, my suggestion is that those who are could
keep contact directly with each other and not via this list.
Actually it's quite annoying when half of the incoming yello-mails
concern these matters. You guys who're into this soundfile-thing, if you
can't keep it between yourselves, then PLEASE keep the amount of mails
on the list about this stuff, to a minimum...

Now, let's keep YELLing abOut what really matters!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) (Yello) Cleanup Music
Date: 11 Feb 1998 12:09:27 EST


In a message dated 98-02-10 02:56:03 EST, you write:

<<  I have a rather good "MUSIC RESTORATION PROGRAM", whi >>
What is it?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) To The Sea
Date: 11 Feb 1998 12:13:28 EST


In a message dated 98-02-10 04:55:06 EST, you write:

<<  I haven't checked the FTP site yet, but is the 'Bangin' Mix'
 of To The Sea up there? I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated. >>

This is my very favorite To The Sea remix! Should have been on the album.
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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) new files coming
Date: 11 Feb 1998 19:01:31 +0200


>From:    Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
>
>All high-quality 128K MPEG Layer-3 from CDs.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hehehehe... funny to read this just after Shane's comment on the
quality of 128 kbps stuff. The quality doesn't get better even if you
write so: "super advanced hyper HiFi CD-ing DVD-ing quality".

 :-)

>so, I will clean up the vinyl with Sound Forge, but only if there is
>really something to be gained sound-wise.  So if you were going to encode
>one of these, let's try not to duplicate our efforts.  Particularly if you
>do not have excellent sound equipment (A/D converter, software, etc.)

I have only cassette copies of some extended versions.
By the way, I uploaded the Pumping Velvet (extended) particularly to guy
who asked it.

I would not worry about the sound quality as long as you use 128 kbps.
I used 128 only because I had to carry the thing with 1.4 kb floppy disks.
I have 192 kbps at home but 256 kbps is overkill for C cassette copies.

I have Jetzt und Alles songs already done. Anyone want them? :-)
I have few first songs of the album. I remember one of them is not
by Yello but it is quite good anyway (and has been on Dieter's movie).


>Anyone interested in stuff like "Tied Up in Africa" or "The Race (Pits
>Mix)"? (non-Boris mixes but rather good IMO)

Go ahead if you wish. Hmm.. many mixes have unprocessed vocals and extra
material just like Pits Mix. Where they get them? I would like to have them.
Are they available even as bootleg or such?

Yours,

Juhana


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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SV: (yello) 3 questions
Date: 11 Feb 1998 18:46:22 +0200


>From:    "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
>
>>Who is Patrizia Fontana?
>
>Boris' woman.

Boris and Patrizia are together, say.

Juhana


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Re: Soundfiles & technophilia
Date: 11 Feb 1998 14:21:22 EST


In a message dated 98-02-11 09:24:21 EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< PLEASE keep the amount of mails
 on the list about this stuff, to a minimum. >>


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From: Marko PΣtsikkΣ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Re: Soundfiles & technophilia
Date: 11 Feb 1998 11:33:27 +0200


> This time it's my turn to say that I totally agree. Since I'm not
> interested in MP3's and stuff

Those MP3 stuffs are quite weird ones?! :-)

BTW, it's very stange that people want real good MP3 quality. I think
that it is enough if one could hear some track never has heard before.
But collecting MP3's or other copies, I don't get it!

IMHO the best way would be to collect original stuff, so all money goes
to the artists. On the other hand, how much are MP3's worth?

I am ready to record some tracks to Yello fans and help them a bit (I
will take sometimes only my charges.. postage + cassette).
I do it because I like Yello's music and I know how hard it is to got
some stuff. But I really believe that most people still buy original
stuff if they can find some, actually I hope so... :-)

FYI, I put new wav-file in my site every month and keep it there only
one month. I really could do better quality, but 8 bit wav-file is
enough in this case! I don't do any MP3 stuff ever!!

Happy happy, joy joy !!

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From: Marko PΣtsikkΣ <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) MP3's
Date: 11 Feb 1998 12:37:08 +0200


> This time it's my turn to say that I totally agree. Since I'm not
> interested in MP3's and stuff

Those MP3 stuffs are quite weird ones?! :-)

BTW, it's very stange that people want real good MP3 quality. I think
that it is enough if one could hear some track never has heard before.
But collecting MP3's or other copies, I don't get it!

IMHO the best way would be to collect original stuff, so all money goes
to the artists. On the other hand, how much are MP3's worth?

I am ready to record some tracks to Yello fans and help them a bit (I
will take sometimes only my charges.. postage + cassette).
I do it because I like Yello's music and I know how hard it is to got
some stuff. But I really believe that most people still buy original
stuff if they can find some, actually I hope so... :-)

FYI, I put new wav-file in my site every month and keep it there only
one month. I really could do better quality, but 8 bit wav-file is
enough in this case! I don't do any MP3 stuff ever!!

Happy happy, joy joy !!

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From: "decen.svensson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Take a look at my homepage
Date: 11 Feb 1998 23:32:24 +0100



-----If you havent seen it yet why don=B4t take a look at my homepage at
http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-65309 it=B4s what can I say, different. By the=
 way
the name Fontana at the back of the album Flag has that anything to do wi=
th
Patrizia?
And you Rocket Ranger you are my hero. Where should I have found theese
great songs if it wheren=B4t for you.

Daniel Svensson



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From: Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) new files coming
Date: 11 Feb 1998 17:16:12 -0600 (CST)


On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Juhana K Kouhia wrote:

> >From:    Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
> >
> >All high-quality 128K MPEG Layer-3 from CDs.
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Hehehehe... funny to read this just after Shane's comment on the
> quality of 128 kbps stuff. The quality doesn't get better even if you
> write so: "super advanced hyper HiFi CD-ing DVD-ing quality".

The point is, I used the slow method.  And besides, the PRO encoder does a
max. of 128Kbps.  I think it is a good compromise between quality and file
size.

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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) MP3 Quality Issues
Date: 11 Feb 1998 19:47:39 -0600


It is a Well Known Fact That 128K Encodes Sound VERY Compromised Although I
Do Agree for the Purpose of Transfer and Sampling is OK. Far From Actual
CD-Quality. Just Listen. Very Obvious, Especially with Music of Yello's
Nature.

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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk??
Date: 11 Feb 1998 20:01:49 -0600


Huh??

        I Thought We Established That We are Audio-Freaks?? I Rather Welcome
the Technical and Intelligent Discussions About Audio on the List. It Shows
That the Average Yello Fan is Usually NOT Your Standard Listener. The List
is Very Busy, and the Disscussion is Tame and Very Good. No Bashing or
Bad-Tones, Were All Friends Here.

        Besides What Deos This Talk Really Hurt?? Yello-Citizens Discuss
Stuff in General Works for Me!!! What is the Sysops View on the Matter???

        Please Don't Stop the Audio Talk. I Love It. Comments from
Marko\ARWales\Juhana\NIC\Beekie and Others are Much Appreciated By My Young
AudioPhile Mind. I Never Had the Opportunity to Discover and Understand the
Earlier Audio Such as True Analog Mediums. Keep it Up Guys!!!!!

Thanks  (My 2 or 3 Cents Worth!!)

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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) ????????
Date: 11 Feb 1998 20:13:07 -0600


Can Those Not Well With the Fact That Quite a Few on the List Have a Similar
Interest in Audio in General, Explain to Us Why the Quantity of Audio-Email
Under the List Hurt AnyThing???

Just Curious?? Not Pickin!! Just Real Curious WHY is is Such an Issue?? If
it Wasn't for the List, the Things These People have to Share About Audio
Would Be VERY Missed By MySelf as Well as Others I Would Suppose?? If I am
the Only One Who Feels This Way, I Will Stick to Yello and Crawl Back Into
My NON-Rare Owning Hole. SomeDay When I Have Tons of Cash, the Saved Info on
This List Pertaining to Rare Availablility Will Come in VERY Handy!!!!

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From: "Simon McBurney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) (Yello) Music Restoration
Date: 12 Feb 1998 14:41:32 +1100


Hello Kiddies :)

"YOU BETTER PRINT THIS OUT, IT'S PRETTY HUGE"

For all you asking about the Music Restoration stuff I have,  here are some
details.

I have a CD Burner. With It I have a package called, "Easy CD Creator Deluxe
Edition". This package include all the standard burning utilities and
authuring stuff "PLUS" a little thing called "Spin Doctor".

Spin Doctor is a cut down version of a program called "Dart".

Dart is a music restoration program that anyone can buy
which cleans up music from ANY source. (Well anything that can be put on a
PC). The full version of "Dart" can remove clicks, pops, tape hiss,
turntable humm and rumble, and almost anything else that make your music
sound like shit.
The "Spin Doctor" version of "Dart" that I have does ALMOST all these
things. It work reasonably well. In that I mean, you have a adjustable
sensitivity setting. The more sensitive the more noise it cleans up. and
visa-versa.
There is one problem but! The more you turn the sensitivity up, the more top
end you lose.
IE: Really clean song=sounds very muddy.

Now of cource, If I had the full version of "Dart", you have many different
settings you can play with to eleviate
this "Muddiness" problem. It works pretty good. I've recorded a few old 12"
singles and I'd say they have improved in sound cleanliness by about 50%.
Not perfect, but a hell of alot better than what they were origonally.
For me to play with songs and get them as good as I can get, It takes time.
A 5:00 minute song can take up to 10 to 15 minutes to clean.(and that only
one pass) Also, so it works more effectivly I clean the songs in reverse.
By doing this, It (Spin Doctor) can predict where the noise (or click) is
going to be. (Sort of like a reverse echo).
One more point, I have to convert the MP3 file to WAV format. This is very
simple for me, but to do it the other way (WAV-MP3), well I've never done
that before.

So if anyone wants me to do a particular song and then upload to the FTP
server , then I would like if someone could explain to me in detial, what
program to use and how to do it.


Phew, that was an effort.
I hope this helps you guys.
please don't hesitate in asking me to do some particular song for you.

Lots of love
Simon McBurney :) :) :)




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From: "Johnson, Brock A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk??
Date: 12 Feb 1998 00:14:16 -0600


>         I Thought We Established That We are Audio-Freaks?? I Rather Welcome
> the Technical and Intelligent Discussions About Audio on the List. It Shows
> That the Average Yello Fan is Usually NOT Your Standard Listener. The List
> is Very Busy, and the Disscussion is Tame and Very Good. No Bashing or
> Bad-Tones, Were All Friends Here.
>
    I agree with Rocket Ranger...  we are not run-of-the-mill people when it
comed to Music tastes.  I see no harm, really I see much good in the quality
discussion.  I am new to the Yello list, however, I know how important quality
is when listening to Yello.

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From: "Simon McBurney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) FTP
Date: 12 Feb 1998 17:25:55 +1100


Hi !
Hey whats the chances of making the ftp server support resuming.
This is due getting constanly diconnect at about half way through
downloading somg and having to start ALL OVER AGAIN.
Very frustrating.

Let us know

ta
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From: "Dmitry Shtilerman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) FTP
Date: 12 Feb 1998 10:35:17 +0300


Hi!

>Hey whats the chances of making the ftp server support resuming.
>This is due getting constanly diconnect at about half way through
>downloading somg and having to start ALL OVER AGAIN.
>Very frustrating.

Two notes. First, to Simon - you really should consider changing your FTP
client if yours currently used is unable to do reget. Ranger's server, by the
way, fully supports reget feature. Second, a part - if someone grants me free
access to his/her collection of goodies, it is my personal problem to get
there. Anyway, no flame.


SY, Dmitry

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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Thanks!!
Date: 12 Feb 1998 01:38:05 -0600


Just Want to Thanks THEROCK for Helpin Me Out Hear!!!!  Thanks!!!

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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) FTP-SITE NOTES for New Users
Date: 12 Feb 1998 02:44:59 -0600


Yello Has Yello-List Invite Only FTP-Site!!!! You Are All Welcome to Visit
the Site.

We All Do Frown on a Few Things While Welcoming Other Practices.........

        -You Will Notice Upon Login the Yello Home-DIR Which Deos Contain
Allready Released and
         Very Easy to Get Yello Tracks. These Tracks are for Those of Us Who
Want to Introduce
         Non-Yello Listeners to Their Wonderful Work.   OR   If Let Say You
Borrowed Your Copy of
         "BABY" and  "ON THE RUN" Now Has a Big Nasty Scratch. (Punishable
By Death of Course)
         One Can DownLoad a Replacement Track of "On the Run" in 256K
Quality (Still NOT As Good
         as the Original, but Better Then NOTHING!!!).

        -The Above is NEVER ot Be Abused. I have Put a Limit to 5 DownLoads
from the HOME-DIR
         Before I Get Feisty. THIS SITE HAS EVERY INTENTION TO SUPPORT THE
ARTISTS of
         YELLO!!!!!  Not Abuse Them!!!! ALL ACTIVITY IS LOGGED AND WATCHED
CLOSELY!!!!!

        -The DIR Called  "Rare Yello Uploads" is Open for UpLoading and
Downloading Rare and Hard-To
         Find Yello Tracks. THIS IS OPEN. NO LIMIT ON DOWNS in THIS DIR!!
(Ups for That Matter to!)

        -It is Very Encouraged to Accompany Any UpLoaded Tracks with a Text
File of the Same Name
         as the Encode to the Same DIR Explaining the Source of the MP3 so
Those of Us Seeking the
         Originals Can Acquire  "The Real McCoy". This is Not Manditory, but
is Very Encouraged!!! The
         AudioPhiles of the List will Have Every Intention on Looking for
Their Favorite Rares and Remixes
         in Better Quality Then MP3@128K.

        -The DIR "Sample Others" is Present in Attempts to Share the Music
Taste of Yello-Listeners. If
        You Like Yello, There is a Pretty Good Chance That You Could
Introduce Us to a Few New
        Artists That are Rare or Hard-To-Find. (Or MayBe Just Not
Realized!!!) A Text File or a List Post
        is VERY Much Welcomed to Explain the Artists and Their Music to the
Other Site Visitors!!! I
        Have UpLoaded 7 Of My Favorites. (Only a Tiny Fraction of Course!!!)
Many Have DownLoaded
        These Samples, and I Hope They Have Been Appreciated. I Hope Others
will Join Me in My
        Efforts!!!!

        -For Those Who Have Rare Stuff or Other Artists to Share, but Don't
Understand or Have the
        Utilities for Creating MP3s Can Jump into a Utlity DIR on the Site
Called   "D:\IMAGES" (Use a
        Change DIR in Your FTP-Client or Slap D:\IMAGES at the End of the
Site URL Instead of ~.

NOTE: PLEASE CONTACT ME WHEN SOMETHING DEOS NOT SEEM RIGHT ON THE SITE. THIS
USUALLY MEANS SOMETHING IS WRONG. (Experince from Previous) A Few Users Have
Reached Me When the Server Has Been Downed for WhatEver Reasons, and This
Helps Me Get-It Back Up Again. THANKS to EVERYONE Who Has Whinned!!!!
HELPS!!!!!  For Those Having ACCESS Troubles, Need to Try Again or with
Other Clients if You are New to FTP. If You are on a Large LAN or a Cheap
ISP You May Run Into a FireWall Not happy with My Strange PORT: 2666. I Will
Leave Those Issues Up to Those with teh Issues. I Cannot Really help. Can
Try Though???

Thanks Again to Those Who Have Contributed in UpLoads!!!!!!!!!    I LOVE
THIS STUFF!!!!!! If It Wasn't For You People, I Would HAve Never Discovered
This Yello Area.......

SITE ACCESS INFO:

Browser Access:  (Paste in Your URL-BOX or  START-RUN_BOX)    OK

 ftp://Yello:Yello@152.65.243.239:2666/~

FTP-Client Access:

IP: 152.65.243.239    Port: 2666   User: Yello  Password: Yello

Enough for Now!!!!!    Rocket of FTP          (ICQ#5162070  Rocket Ranger)




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From: "Dan Mastous" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk??
Date: 12 Feb 1998 01:38:28 -0800




>
> >         I Thought We Established That We are Audio-Freaks?? I Rather
Welcome
> > the Technical and Intelligent Discussions About Audio on the List. It
Shows
> > That the Average Yello Fan is Usually NOT Your Standard Listener. The
List
> > is Very Busy, and the Disscussion is Tame and Very Good. No Bashing or
> > Bad-Tones, Were All Friends Here.
> >
>     I agree with Rocket Ranger...  we are not run-of-the-mill people when it
> comed to Music tastes.  I see no harm, really I see much good in the
quality
> discussion.  I am new to the Yello list, however, I know how important
quality
> is when listening to Yello.
>
>     TheRock
>
Another thumbs up for "audio talk."  I have learn quite abit about both the
recording process, and createing mp3s as well as finding a way to hear what
some of the tracks I never new existed sound like.
Three cheers for audio talk!!!
Ok maybe just some clapping?
Dan Mastous
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From: Andreas Andersson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Mp3
Date: 12 Feb 1998 11:04:37 +0100



Hi!

I've think it's been to much discussion lately regarding Mp3's and the quality
of them.
I think that the meaning with the Rare Yello Uploads are for us to hear
the tracks by Yello we never got any chance to hear before.
The quality isn't the most important thing - in that case you should buy the
CD-single or vinyl.
As I see it mp3's should only be a sample of the music and not the same
quality as the CD. If it is that, then noone will be the CD's.
128 kbits/s is perfect - it doesn't take much harddisk space and the
quality is
good enough. When you go to 256 kbits/s (By the way, a CD-player uses 197
kbits/s,
so isn't 256 kbits/s to overdo it)I doubt that many of us really have the
computer hardware to make this sound as good as it is supposed to. Me,
myself have an old,
slow computer so I have to use mono and downmix in order to hear the tracks.
I don't have the disk size to store large files either.

I think it's nice to hear new tracks by Yello, but if I really like them I
will try
to get hold of them on CD instead of asking for better quality.

/Andreas




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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk??
Date: 12 Feb 1998 11:05:32 CET


>I Thought We Established That We are Audio-Freaks?? I Rather Welcome
>the Technical and Intelligent Discussions About Audio on the List. It
>Shows That the Average Yello Fan is Usually NOT Your Standard
>Listener. The List is Very Busy, and the Disscussion is Tame and Very
>Good. No Bashing or Bad-Tones, Were All Friends Here.
>
>Shane of FTP

What do you mean, "established that we are audio-freaks"?!? We all know
that many of us list-users are highly interested in technical matters,
especially concerning digital audio. I am myself. That does not mean
that I think that this is the right forum for discussing those matters.
Time after time, mails concerning different MP3's, different programs
and stuff like that, shows up and I can not understand what they have to
do with YELLO. Of course these mails concern different ways of getting
to listen to Yello, but if we should start to discuss technicalities
about all the medias with wich it is possible to listen to music, then
we should never get the time to discuss Yello.
I think that there are other lists on the net, where people interested
in audiofile-programs for computers and for the internet are discussed
and they will be perfect for such matters.
On this list however, there are many people (yes it's true, I'm not
making this up!) who aren't the least interested in technical
discussions, but in discussing Dieter's and Boris' (and of course
Carlos') work and what it means to us.

Yes, we're all friends here and we've all met thanks to Yello. Now I
hope that we all can show each other some respect by not filling other's
mail accounts with mails they are not interested in getting...

No hard feelings!(?) - Keep Yelling!

- Henrik

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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Gold-Rush Mixes??
Date: 12 Feb 1998 04:36:54 -0600


Who Upped the Gold-Rush Mixes. Those are Some Good Sounding 128Kers!!

Shane of FTP



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From: [e-mail]
Date: 12 Feb 1998 05:38:43 -0600


And while we're on the subject that seems to annoy some people, does anyone
know of any software that cleans up vinyl for the Macintosh? I've heard of
Spin Doctor, but they only make it for the PC.

thanks,

Chris




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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Correct Me if I'm Wrong.....
Date: 12 Feb 1998 04:48:55 -0600


Was Considering What Mr. Anderson Had to Say About Bit-Rates...  hummmmmm


If I Sample 44,100 16-bit Words for 2 Channels PER SECOND
(44.1Khz\16-Bit\Stereo)

I Get  44100 x 16 x 2 = 1,411Kb\s  or  176KB\s
I Recall Sampling Streams to Hammer 172K PerSecond When Recording
PCM-WAV@44.1\16

197Kb\s?? Where Was This Publiched??  256Kers are Not CLOSE to the True
Bit-Rate.

I May Be Wrong. I Have Been MANY Times Before!!!!!

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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) "Andy"
Date: 12 Feb 1998 13:19:59 -0000


Hi all,
      I've just been going through my Yello stuff, and I came
across a CD by the group called - "You Know Who."
It features 3 songs "Andy", "Quiet Evening" , and "Andy - Extended
Version."
At the bottom it says "featuring Dieter Meier from Yello."

The CD No. is EMI 7243 8 63007 2 0 (1993)

Dieter sings a few lines on tracks 1 + 3. Does anybody have anymore on
this?
As far as I can tell this isn't a promo. If anybody wants to buy this,
let me know. I have no use for it.

Yours,

James Gillett     [e-mail]




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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) New (for me) old Yello stuff.
Date: 12 Feb 1998 15:59:39 +0100


Hi all!

I just got four 12" with Yello and I have some questions about two of
them.

12" Bimbo / Smile on you.
It's from 1982 and it has a sticker on it that says "Ralph Records 10th
aniversary". The front cover is the same as the 7" with the erroneously
title B-side 'I.T. Splash'from 1981 (Do It Records, DUN 11). Both Bimbo
and Smile on you are different than on the albums. In my ears they sound
like earlier versions than those on the albums. Is this so?

12" Pumping velvet, No more words, Lost again and Bostich. It's Elektra
ED 4941 and from 1983.
The folder is white with no text what so ever, only a sticker that says
"4 specially remixed dance versions 0-66979"

It looks like like it could be this one. (cut from Jonas discography)
"15 Nov 1983 US 12" Pumping Velvet
Pumping Velvet 5.02 [extended remix] [remixed by Blank/Tregoning]/
No More Words 5.46 [extended remix] [remixed by Blank/Tregoning]//
Lost Again 7.15 [extended]/
Bostich (N'est-ce pas) 4.34 [extended remix] (Elektra, 0-66979)"

But it doesn't say anything about who made the remixes on my record. It
only says "Produced and engineered by Yello 1983 Elektra/Asylum Records
for the U.S." and "Promotional copy , Not for sale" on the record
itself.
The track times are also a bit different.
Pumping Velvet 5.03
No More Words 5.45
Lost Again 7.11
Bostich 4.32 (and it does not say "N'est-ce pas. However it sounds
exactly like it).
After avery track it says "Vocal/ST-ED66979-A-SP/track time/Extended
Dance Version".

I guess that they are the same. Does it excist only as a promo or both
as a promo and official and if so, are those versions different in any
way (considering the different track times).

Regards
Eric




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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) MP3's
Date: 12 Feb 1998 18:53:08 +0200


>From:    Marko =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E4tsikk=E4?= <[e-mail]>
>
>BTW, it's very stange that people want real good MP3 quality. I think
>that it is enough if one could hear some track never has heard before.
>But collecting MP3's or other copies, I don't get it!

Perhaps we should tell you why?

>IMHO the best way would be to collect original stuff, so all money goes
>to the artists. On the other hand, how much are MP3's worth?

Here are some reasons for having mp3:

 -first, mp3 is not the main thing; I rather would like to have the
  plain 96000 Hz, 20 bits recordings  :-)  but it would take much disk
  space; mp3 is a good compromise;

 -we can digitally clean the digital data; you cannot do that with
  vinyl; it doesn't make sense that every Yello fan should clean their
  own vinyls --- cleaning can be done by one person, only once;

 -I would clean a song by recording it from two or more vinyls (the same
  release) because the pops in two vinyls hardly are identical;
  I guess no Yello fan would buy two or three copies of the same release;
  <sigh>

 -the money does *not* go to Yello; they have got their money when the
  rare vinyl was purchased --- the money $$$ goes to a mercenary record
  saler (perhaps not even Yello fan) who want to get big money $$$ just
  because the vinyl is rare; I would buy every Yello record if they would
  be (i) available, (ii) reasonable priced; period.

Sincerely Yello's,

Juhana


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk??
Date: 12 Feb 1998 14:18:34 EST


It has fairly obvious we have a problem seeing the forest from the trees here.

Before I go into an parable spewing tirade I would like to suggest a means
to rectify what I see as a problem. Maybe if  those of you wishing to discuss
"tech-talk" would include something like "(ftp)" in the subject of your
transmis-
sion it would make life more bearable for those of us that are not interested.
Or, since it has become clear who wants to partake in these discussions-why
not develop your own subdirectory network?

Though it may be hard for you to comprehend that I, for one,  as a devout
Yello
fan, just don't find entertainment value in discussing how many 1's and 0's
make
up a song. Pardon the analog pun but it just makes me reel.What does it hurt?
How about the integrity of the forum?

The "All rights reserved" statement (on the CD or LP) does not include the
words
"unless you really, really like Yello."  Or, "Unless you are strapped for
cash."

The guys that operate automobile chop shops (where stolen cars are dismantled)
probably love cars.  Astronomers talking about telescopes...

I'm not asking anyone to take sides. Merely stating my opinion. Spare me.

Regards,
       FG

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From: "Chris Norton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello: Propellerheads of the 80s??
Date: 13 Feb 1998 07:40:02 EST


You might be interested in this record review from today's "Sydney
Morning Herald":

------------------
PROPELLERHEADS - Decksandrumsandrockandroll  ***1/2
A great singles outfit?  For sure.  A great album crew?  Let me get back
to you about that.  The Yello of the '90s?  Quite possibly ... not that
there's anything wrong with that.  After all, Yello may seem a little
quaint now but it was the Swiss duo and not any of the critics' faves of
the '80s who brought new fans to electronic pop.  Of the quiver of
smashing singles Propellerheads released before this debut album, only
one is represented here, 'Take California'.  It bubbles provocatively
then breaks down to a monster size hook, but there's an even bigger hook
in 'Echo and Bounce', which really brings home the Yello comparisons - a
chugging electro rhythm which is a more aurally polished take on the
mid-'80s sound.  Breakbeats figure on 'Decksand...' but don't dominate,
the solid hit to the solar plexus is swapped for the sinuous groove of
'Winning Style' or the sheer cheesy pop grandeur of 'History Repeating'.
'History' features the stentorian Shirley Bassey and cements the Yello
aesthetic amusingly, even as it takes the easy route for a group capable
of harder sounds packaged deceptively.  That would be the main criticism
of this album: there's a step back from the edge which disappoints - not
because it makes for a weak album, but because they have suggested the
capacity to explore more than they do here.  Still,, I haven't stopped
dancing to this for weeks - BERNARD ZUEL
------------------

You wonder who's being reviewed here!

Chris


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From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: SV: (yello) New (for me) old Yello stuff.
Date: 12 Feb 1998 22:36:33 +0100


>12" Bimbo / Smile on you. In my ears they sound
>like earlier versions than those on the albums. Is this so?

Bimbo = later, Smile on You = earlier (of course).

>It looks like like it could be this one. (cut from Jonas discography)
>"15 Nov 1983 US 12" Pumping Velvet

It's that one. Like I say on my Yello page:
"official releases and important promotional items only"
Almost all releases exist as promotional items - same tracks
as regular releases but usually with a plain cover and with
as little information as possible. I saw no reason to include
them, as Lazlo already included promos in his discog. I wanted my
discog to be different, otherwise there would be no use in
doing it. SOME promo items are included though, e.g those
that include unique material/versions.

>The track times are also a bit different.

I always put one and the same duration and title and remix
info for all versions that are the same, no matter what the
label says. Usually duration varies a few seconds depending
on what country it's manufactured in, but that's the
*given* duration, not the *actual* duration, which is, or rather
*should* be, the same everytime. I clocked all tracks/versions
(from CD if available, and from vinyl if not on CD) to set a
standard in the confusing world of Yello releases and versions.
When it comes to titles, I use the original German title, which
should be the correct one. If remixer's info isn't included on any
given release, then I put it anyway in the discog so as to avoid
confusion - after all, it's the same version. I also have lists of
all 12" mixes that Boris himself mixed, B-sides, single versions,
etcetera, in case anyone missed them. Anyone who subscribes
to Yello mailing list is supposed to read my Yello F.A.Q (Frequently
Asked Questions) in order to avoid the same questions being
asked time and time again. I don't mean to point to any specific
person here, especially not Eric.

And most importantly, Lazlo Nibble, who runs this mailing list, is
supposed to mention and link to my Yello FAQ from his "Yello
mailing list info page", which wasn't done yet the last time I checked.
JW

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From: "Per-Stian Vatne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) To The Sea
Date: 12 Feb 1998 23:13:43 +0100


|<<  I haven't checked the FTP site yet, but is the 'Bangin' Mix'
| of To The Sea up there? I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated. >>
|
|This is my very favorite To The Sea remix! Should have been on the =
album.


Regarding "To the Sea" and remixes... I read something about a version =
made by a norwegian, DJ Strangefruit aka. Paal Nyhus. Is this on the =
single or something? (a single which I do not own or have listened to)?

If it's on the single, I can just go buy the single - but if not, and =
anyone has a copy, could you please encode it and put it on the =
excellent FTP server?=20

Regards,
Per-Stian


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From: "Per-Stian Vatne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) new files coming
Date: 12 Feb 1998 22:42:42 +0100


|I'm in the process of uploading these:
|
|Call it Love (Trego Snare)
|Goldrush I
|Goldrush II
|Oh Yeah (Indian Summer Version)
|Rubberband Man (Rubber Version)


Great.

|Anyone interested in stuff like "Tied Up in Africa" or "The Race (Pits
|Mix)"? (non-Boris mixes but rather good IMO)

Yes! Very much indeed. I really like these two tracks very much, both =
"Tied up" / "Tied up in red" and "The Race" from "Flag" (1988) are among =
my favorites. I've heard about a lot of mixes of these, but they're hard =
to get hold of in Norway where I live.

Btw, thanks a lot to the guy who made FTP space available for Yello =
music - this is about the only way I get to listen to stuff besides =
their "normal" albums.

Regards,
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From: "Simon McBurney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Att: Rocket man :)
Date: 13 Feb 1998 11:10:30 +1100


Hey Mr Rocket Ranger,

what is ICQ and how do i use it. need help.
is that the same as IRC
How do I find you.

Pleas reply very soon
yhanks
Simon





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk??
Date: 12 Feb 1998 22:29:58 EST


FG wrote:

<< Though it may be hard for you to comprehend that I, for one,  as a devout
 Yello
 fan, just don't find entertainment value in discussing how many 1's and 0's
 make
 up a song. Pardon the analog pun but it just makes me reel.What does it hurt?
 How about the integrity of the forum?
  >>

As probably obvious by now I am in complete agreement with FG and Henrik. If
people want to fill their own mailboxes with talk of MP3s, then fine, it's
just I, personally am not really interested. This is not meant as an insult in
any shape or form, I joined this list to talk about Yello and their music and
I'm curious to know how people got to like the band and what things about them
they like.

Next month a teacher friend of mine has asked me to talk to her media-studies
class about Yello (average age of pupil: 18). She had played them a number of
tracks by various groups, one of these being "On the Run", with the idea of
them imagining and maybe directing a video to accompany the track. Anyway, "On
the Run" really caught their imagination (it was a mixed class, about 60:40
Female:Male ratio) and although none of them had ever heard of Yello, they're
keen to find out more - which is where I come in. So I'm looking forward to
this - a chance to spread the "gospel", so to speak. I'll be talking to them
about the music and how they react to it, where Yello came from and how
they've changed and all I am saying that this is what I'd expect to do on this
list as well.

Ciao

Andrew Wales
[e-mail]

PS happy to hear from anyone who might also be into Conlon Nancarrow, Harry
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From: "Simon McBurney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Subjects
Date: 13 Feb 1998 13:40:17 +1100


OK If anyone wants to talk to me about MP3, Restoration etc........ mail me
directly.
I realise that this mailing list is for Yello associated subjects. So if
anyone wants me inparticular my Address is [e-mail] .

Thanks for the extending my knowledge about Yello.
Simon McBurney.

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From: nic <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Fontana
Date: 12 Feb 1998 08:16:05 GMT/BST


>From: "decen.svensson" <[e-mail]>
>By the way
>the name Fontana at the back of the album Flag has that anything to do
>with
>Patrizia?

Hi,

Don't think so, Fontana is a record label, certainly in the UK it has
been around since the 1960's possibly earlier. I guess that when Flag was
released that Fontana had something to do with the company doing the
release. It's not on my copy of the CD (Mercury/UK release) so maybe it's
the vinyl pressing plant?

Does anyone have a definitive list of the record companies involved with
Yello in each country? Can this be worked out from the discography? (Have
I just given myself a job?!)

nic

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Album rankin
Date: 13 Feb 1998 11:51:03 +0100


Well I hate to dissapoint you, but there will be no result today. The
reason is that I receive some mails up to four days after they have been
sent, so maybe there are some mails on their way. I'll bee gone next
week. I'm going skiing with my family so that gives you who haven't sent
any ranking to me another week and when I return I will present the
result. That'll be somewhere around 24 och 25 this month.

Until then

Take care, I'm going off pist.

Eric


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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Refreshing
Date: 13 Feb 1998 11:29:55 -0800


>>So I'm looking forward to
this - a chance to spread the "gospel", so to speak. I'll be talking to
them
about the music and how they react to it, where Yello came from and how
they've changed and all I am saying that this is what I'd expect to do on
this
list as well.

It's nice to hear that Yello is communicating with people of all
ages here; and how refreshing that 'On The Run' continues to make
an impression on new listeners. If I was in a position to promote Yello
(or to put it better, explain where they are 'coming from') to such a
group, I would
hope that the music was an excellent example of perhaps forming a healthy
and
open attitude towards music.

Nice to see that the technical discussions are less in number now; -  and I
still
do not understand why the Yello list had to be subjected to audio-quality
talk..
between 2 people!! As has been stated before, I am sure that there are
lists
dedicated to these technical matters - and I urge you to look for and join
these lists.
Thankyou.

With the Propellerheads review, I think we are left guessing as who exactly
'is'
being reviewed here! Though I wouldn't like to comment on the group (as I
have
only heard "History repeating...") it could be interesting to listen to
more of their stuff.

All the best,

James



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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Re: Soundfiles & technophilia
Date: 13 Feb 1998 13:42:26 +0000



> > This time it's my turn to say that I totally agree. Since I'm not
> > interested in MP3's and stuff

I disagree, because the messages about MP3's are just as
Yello-related as the other messages and therefor have
all the right to be spread on this list.

> BTW, it's very stange that people want real good MP3 quality. I think
> that it is enough if one could hear some track never has heard before.
> But collecting MP3's or other copies, I don't get it!

Is it really that strange?
I will most definitely buy all those rare tracks if I find them in
the stores, but I doubt that I'll be able to find even a tenth of
what's on the ftp-site during the rest of my life. Taking that in
consideration, maybe it's understandable that I like the MP3's to be
of a high quality, so that it's more attractive to listen to them every once
in a while and I'll be able to enjoy the music I love so much to the
fullest of it's potential.

> IMHO the best way would be to collect original stuff, so all money goes
> to the artists. On the other hand, how much are MP3's worth?

The original stuff of all these rare tracks will probably come onto your
path as a second hand puchase, which means the money already went the
artists way. If the track is really rare, you'll pay a lot more then
you'ld have paid for it when it was released (but none of that extra
money goes to the artists (in most if not all cases)).
So the only way for them to make some money on the deal is to
re-release these tracks, which would be a sort of charity to the
faithfull fans because it'll probably not be marketable enough.
On top of that, there are too many tracks to re-release. We'ld still
be missing out on a lot of good music.

My conclusive words would be:
MP3 In high quality makes life a bit more beautifull.
Yello MP3's in high quality create eargasms.

Groeten,
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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) new files coming
Date: 13 Feb 1998 13:45:00 +0000



> I have Jetzt und Alles songs already done. Anyone want them? :-)
> I have few first songs of the album. I remember one of them is not
> by Yello but it is quite good anyway (and has been on Dieter's movie).

Which one is it?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Movie
Date: 13 Feb 1998 13:49:02 +0100


People on this list are talking about Dieter's movie.
Does this mean it has already been released?




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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) ????????
Date: 13 Feb 1998 13:56:45 +0000



> Can Those Not Well With the Fact That Quite a Few on the List Have a Similar
> Interest in Audio in General, Explain to Us Why the Quantity of Audio-Email
> Under the List Hurt AnyThing???
>
> Just Curious?? Not Pickin!! Just Real Curious WHY is is Such an Issue?? If
> it Wasn't for the List, the Things These People have to Share About Audio
> Would Be VERY Missed By MySelf as Well as Others I Would Suppose?? If I am
> the Only One Who Feels This Way, I Will Stick to Yello and Crawl Back Into
> My NON-Rare Owning Hole.

I agree I would have missed out on some interesting information.
The fact that I haven't been participating in the
conversation on audio, doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it, cause I did
(partly).

And as I more or less explained already (or at least intended to), a
messages relation to Yello does not stand or fall with the usage of
the keyword Yello in it for as far as I am concerned.

Groeten,
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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Movie
Date: 13 Feb 1998 15:44:01 +0200


>From:    [e-mail]
>
>People on this list are talking about Dieter's movie.
>Does this mean it has already been released?

YEEESSSSS!!!!! Yahooo...  No, just kidding. We were talking about
Dieter's first movie Jetzt und Alles back from 1981 and its soundtrack
album. See discography.

Yours,

Juhana


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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) new files coming
Date: 13 Feb 1998 15:41:11 +0200


>From:    "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
>
>> I have Jetzt und Alles songs already done. Anyone want them? :-)
>> I have few first songs of the album. I remember one of them is not
>> by Yello but it is quite good anyway (and has been on Dieter's movie).
>
>Which one is it?

All of them are in Dieter's movie. Some are by Yello, some are not.

          3:11  Joy Ryder: Sehnsucht nach Allem  [mus: Dieter]
          4:00  Richy Muller and Yello: There Is No Reason
          3:12  Joy Ryder: Princess Lala  [mus/lyr: Dieter]

They are in jua-* files.
What Richy Muller was doing in "There is no Reason"?

Juhana


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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Web page for MP3 FTP available
Date: 13 Feb 1998 19:03:44 +0200


I wrote a simple html index for the mp3 site; specially for
"Rare Yello Uploads" directory. You can find it from there
by name "MP3INDEX.HTM" (or take instead the MP3INDEX-NEW.HTM
if it is still there ---  I made a mistage in uploading).

Use it by going to that file. If you download it, it won't work
correctly. Please let me know if there are problems.

Well, I still forgot to put a notice on that I used Jonas'
lists as source material.

Yours,

Juhana


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Spreading the Gospel
Date: 13 Feb 1998 14:56:57 EST


I too have a chance to reach a broader audience with Yello's music.

In the next few weeks I will collaborate with my brother on a video project
that needs appropriate music put to it. You see, he is a military free fall
instructor and each class that goes through his school receives a tape of
their proceedings upon completion.

He is now in charge of this project and follows each classes movements with
one of those helmet mounted cameras. Previous atttempts at this have used
music where the lyrics pertain to the action: "I believe I can fly..." and so
on.

If there are any Yello songs that conjure images of such please let me know.
It has changed the way I listen and may do the same for you. The intro in my
mind uses the PU song that has lyrics something like , "Let's go, let's go,
let's go...." (as divers exit the aircraft).

Any assistance would be appreciated.

All the Best,
      Fred G


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk??
Date: 13 Feb 1998 14:22:49 -0700 (MST)


>         Besides What Deos This Talk Really Hurt?? Yello-Citizens Discuss
> Stuff in General Works for Me!!! What is the Sysops View on the Matter???

The "sysop's" view on the matter is that a) occasional topic drift away from
Yello is okay; b) extended non-Yello discussions are not welcome; and c) your
"cute" capitalization style is highly tiresome.

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From: "Shane of SAMCO" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Ahhh I See...
Date: 13 Feb 1998 17:02:49 -0600


>>>>My conclusive words would be:
>>>>MP3 In high quality makes life a bit more beautifull.
>>>>Yello MP3's in high quality create eargasms.


Ahhhh I Get it. So That's What Happens When I Listen to Yello!!! Always
Wondered What to Call That Funny Sensation in My Ear After "The Blender
Song" or "Jungle Bill".

Thanks!!!!
Shane of Audio\FTP\CAPITALIZATION


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From: "Shane of SAMCO" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yeah
Date: 13 Feb 1998 17:12:24 -0600


The List Has Been Alot More Interesting to Receive from Since the the
Addition of the FTP-Site, and Along with It the Audio Quality Talks. I Think
I Had Mentioned Before About the "IT WILL PASS" Pheonomenon. Meaning, the
Site Just Opened, and Their are Initial Issues That Will Be Discussed.
Quality\Source\Opinions About Audio Just Kinda Happen. They are Not Being
Pushed. Sorry To Those That Feel That They HAve Been Subjected To These
Talks.         They Have and Will Pass....................

PLEASE Don't Be Surprised if the Talks Pop-Up Again Though. With New Yello
List Members, They are Gonna Ask the Same Questions. They are NOT Gonna Know
Who to Ask Directly, so (God-Damn-Them) They are Gonna Post an Audio\Quality
Question on the List. And We Will Respond to Them Probably Back Onto the
List. Assuming the Question is Good, and Should Be Heard By More Then One
Person.


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From: Kay Schlette <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) # Yello rarities available at...
Date: 14 Feb 1998 13:05:41 +0100


Hi everybody!

How about adding a line at the bottom of every message? Like=20
# Yello rarities available at ftp://Yello:Yello@152.65.243.239:2666. (This
would be something Lazlo would have to do of course.)

Greetings

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) (Yello) Music Restoration
Date: 14 Feb 1998 09:30:49 EST


In a message dated 98-02-11 23:42:09 EST, you write:

<< I have a CD Burner. With It I have a package called, "Easy CD Creator
Deluxe
 Edition". This package include all the standard burning utilities and
 Authoring stuff "PLUS" a little thing called "Spin Doctor". >>

I have tried a few programs that clean up. The Logic Audio program from Emagic
worked the best. Still I would highly disagree to use any program to clean it
up. The longer the song the worst the job it does. I sort of normalized some
frequencies. Even the Logic program no matter how well you set the sensitivity
or other functions they still sound like shit they become very muffled. Also
when you do this you must check in on studio monitors not your computer
speakers!

Julian


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From: Kay Schlette <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) software
Date: 15 Feb 1998 11:37:09 +0100


Hi guys!

Finally we have established some exchange of Yello rarities. Thanks for you
time and your effort, especially to Shane!

I have changed the software that I need for our mp3 collection a couple of
times, but I am still not happy with all the programs I use. I would like
to share my experience with you about this and maybe you can recommend
something?=20

Presently I use (all for Win95):
- for CD ripping (i.e. copying songs from CD or other audio to wav files)
WinDAC32 1.33
- for compressing wav files to mp3 CD compressor 0.9f
- as mp3 player Winamp 1.70 (I have seen that there is 1.73 now)
- as ftp software (upload + download) ftp voyager 5.0.2.1

Some features:=20
- WinDAC32 recognised my CD-ROM drive automatically, it's simple to handle
and it's in German. The messages in the shareware version bother a bit, so
either you buy the product or you look for a crack on www, but we wouldn't
do anything illegal would we? Unfortunately it creates only huge wav files
which my harddrive doesn't feel too comfortable about. Isn't there any easy
to use CD ripper that creates directly mp3 files?=20
- CD compressor is able to create only 128 kbps / 44 kHz files as maximum
quality, but with regards to file size that's OK for our purposes as we
have discussed earlier on. Creating these in normal mode takes an hour or
so which is a bit long. That's why I did it in quick mode (about 15-20 mins
for a song) but I consider compressing the songs again in normal mode and
upping them after Shane's hint about quality. Somewhere I read that this
program has been banned, I have no reason why... Apart from that I am happy
with this.=20
- Winamp is powerful. I like the equalizer, the playlist editor and the
fact that you can edit those ID tags (i.e. tags about album title, artist,
year plus a comment which become part of the mp3 file), they make the extra
txt file on the ftp server almost superfluous. It takes a little too much
RAM capacity though.=20
- ftp voyager has this faciliy of resuming an ftp upload or download when
something goes wrong. Really useful.=20

OK. If you have any idea on how to improve this please feel free to
comment, if you wish by e-mail or if your comment is of interest also to
the other mp3 newbies by replying to the list (I hope the Yello purists
don't mind too much about this posting...)

I am looking forward to your next songs.
Viele Gr=FC=DFe
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From: Philippe ASTRUC <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) First time
Date: 15 Feb 1998 11:44:50 +0100


Hi everybody !

I'm not "really" new on the list (joined in November) but since I've read
the whole 200 last messages in one time (!) I decided to be more involved
in it. There are things to say...
But to be brief (?) this time, I'll only introduce myself :
I'm a 31 years old Froggy French Fan of Yello (am I the only French speaker
here ?). I discovered them at the begining of the '80 on the radio. It was
the start of what we called the locals "free radios" (vs the nationals
authorized AM ones) on the MF band, wich are now quite as big, powerful and
boring as the others. Made by some freaks with poorly means, my local radio
ended its programs about 11-12pm, then put a tape of various songs 'til the
day after and... go sleeping ! One night I've heared something that looked
strange to me, something I've had never listened anywhere, never.
It was "I Love You" and "Lost Again". Oh God : this new sounds, music and
voice... I was completly crazy about it. As it was the same tape every
night, I "take care" to go there "Same time, same place" for weeks to
listen to them !! Later in 1986, they had a "Number one", here in Europe,
with "Viscious Games". Then I started my collection.
One day, I even cancelled a concert of Earth Wind & Fire (yes : I've been
young...) just to listen the 4 albums I'd received in the afternoon !
Maybe I missed a lot since the begining of the list, but how was it for all
of you, the "first time" ?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) New Hardfloor
Date: 15 Feb 1998 13:12:12 EST


Hello

Just got the new Hardfloor Vs. Yello.  It's really good!
The Boris and Olaf mix is the best its like PU meets Visious Games.(very cool)
The Hardfloor ver. is great club play! (now why don't they play it dam it!)
Highly reccomend it.
Julian


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From: Buttons McBoomboom <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) To Tomas Garpenhall...
Date: 15 Feb 1998 12:52:33 -0800


Tomas,

    Please send me your e-mail address.  I've somehow managed to lose it...

Talk to you soon,

Harold


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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) New Hardfloor
Date: 15 Feb 1998 23:50:20 +0000




> Just got the new Hardfloor Vs. Yello.  It's really good!

Any catalog numbers or other information usefull when ordering?


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Subject: Re: (yello) New Hardfloor
Date: 15 Feb 1998 19:40:35 EST


Hardfloor Vs. Yello cat # is.

GG 007  Orbit records gmb

Julian


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From: [e-mail] (Craig Hull)
Subject: (yello) re: Refreshing and Propellerheads
Date: 16 Feb 1998 13:45:50 +1000


James wrote:
>With the Propellerheads review, I think we are left guessing as who exactly
>'is'
>being reviewed here! Though I wouldn't like to comment on the group (as I
>have
>only heard "History repeating...") it could be interesting to listen to
>more of their stuff.
>
>All the best,
>
>James

Hello all. I have the Propellerheads CD, so I can add some comments. First
of all, the comparison with Yello; I wouldn't exactly call them the Yello
of the 90's. IMHO, they haven't quite got the spark of individualism or
originality that Yello have. Its hard to explain, but when I listen to
Yello I just feel that this is music that comes from two zany, crazy,
individuals, and that no other people can sound quite like these two guys.
When I listen to Propellerheads, I think that it is good music, but
probably any good musicians could come up with something similar. It just
doesn't have an individualistic feel. Perhaps on future albums they may
develop more.

As for "History Repeating...", this is a good song, but is not a full
indication of what the rest of the CD is like. The other songs have far
less reliance on lyrics. There is a fair amount of variety in how the other
songs sound, which is good. Some of them have great bass sounds, and I
think that some of the percussion work on some of the tracks does sound
similar to some Yello work.

Overall, I really like it.
Just my opinions of course.

Regards,
Craig.




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From: "Simon McBurney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) s.a.x.
Date: 16 Feb 1998 17:03:04 +1100


Hi Guys,

Has S.A.X. ever been released, and if so has there been any remixes done??
Seeings I'm in Australia, we don't get a huge amount of Yello stuff,
especially Singles or remixes of any kind.

Just asking because it's an excellent song.

Talk to ya soon
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) First time
Date: 16 Feb 1998 08:44:27 +0100



Elric wrote:

>But to be brief (?) this time, I'll only introduce myself :
>I'm a 31 years old Froggy French Fan of Yello (am I the only French
speaker
>here ?).

WARNING !!! THE NEXT THING YOU WILL READ IS A JOKE. BE AWARE THAT SOME
HUMOUR COULD BE FLYING AROUND HERE.

Reply: Yes, you are the only French speaker on the list. We agreed to trace
all french speakers, hunt them down and burn them on the stake. That's why
I always make sure people know my native language is dutch.

Welcome on the list

By the way, where exactly do you live?




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From: Marko Patsikka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) s.a.x.
Date: 16 Feb 1998 10:15:11 +0200


Simon McBurney wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Has S.A.X. ever been released, and if so has there been any remixes done??

S.A.X. was released in album Zebra.
Look at more info. http://www.utu.fi:80/~eihapa/yello/yel-eng.htm

There are no remixes af far as I know.

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From: "Bo Andersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yeah
Date: 16 Feb 1998 00:42:13 +0100


>PLEASE Don't Be Surprised if the Talks Pop-Up Again Though. With New Yello
>List Members, They are Gonna Ask the Same Questions. They are NOT Gonna
Know
>Who to Ask Directly, so (God-Damn-Them) They are Gonna Post an
Audio\Quality
>Question on the List. And We Will Respond to Them Probably Back Onto the
>List. Assuming the Question is Good, and Should Be Heard By More Then One
>Person.


How about if we made a FAQ, that answered those questions - gave the derived
consensus so to speak - and then send out the FAQ to each new subscriber to
our list? That would certainly take care of most of the questions?

Bo


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From: Philippe ASTRUC <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) First time, 2nd
Date: 17 Feb 1998 10:23:00 +0100



Beekie wrote:

>We agreed to trace
>all french speakers, hunt them down and burn them on the stake.
Don't know why but I was expecting something like that !!

>By the way, where exactly do you live?
I live in a small litttle town at 35 km from Paris...

>That's why
>I always make sure people know my native language is dutch.
...and 15 min from EuroDisney that we call "The country of German people
wearing short" ! :-))

Some people here talked about their best CD, regarding the quality of
recording. I think mine is "A Secret Wish" from PROPAGANDA. Anybody knows
it ?

Elric




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) a.n.f.s.c.d
Date: 17 Feb 1998 11:28:49 +0100


AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

>I think mine is "A Secret Wish" from PROPAGANDA.

Thank you for submitting this one to the list.

Just like the art of noise and so many others, Propaganda was one of those
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From: Morten <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) (Yello) A.N.F.S.D.
Date: 17 Feb 1998 18:08:31 -0800


** STILL DIFFERENT

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING **

>I think mine is "A Secret Wish" from PROPAGANDA.

>Thank you for submitting this one to the list.

>Just like the art of noise and so many others, Propaganda was one of
>those groups which were good while they were alive.

I'll vote for that. The follow up "1 2 3 4" is worth a listen imho, and
they were one of the ONLY ones possibly "weighing in" with YELLO!

If anyone is up for discussion: What would YELLO have sounded like being
produced by someone like Trevor Horn, who, as it happens, produced
Propaganda's debut album mentioned above "A Secret Wish"?!

Morten (holding my breath)


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From: Andrew Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk??
Date: 17 Feb 1998 17:56:14 GMT



> >         Besides What Deos This Talk Really Hurt?? Yello-Citizens Discuss
> > Stuff in General Works for Me!!! What is the Sysops View on the Matter???
>
> The "sysop's" view on the matter is that a) occasional topic drift away from
> Yello is okay; b) extended non-Yello discussions are not welcome; and c) your
> "cute" capitalization style is highly tiresome.

a) occasional topic drift is proof of real life out there on the
Yello list, b) it's a good job you don't sysop Underworld's Dirtylist
then, and c) that's not a very even-tempered thing to say, Mr Nibble!

I risk ejection from list for tackling the sysop on this, but I can't
let such things pass!

Regards

Andy Jackson



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From: "Johnson, Brock A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) What NO AudioPhile Talk??
Date: 17 Feb 1998 12:32:36 -0600


> > The "sysop's" view on the matter is that a) occasional topic drift away from
> > Yello is okay; b) extended non-Yello discussions are not welcome; and c)
> your
> > "cute" capitalization style is highly tiresome.
>
> a) occasional topic drift is proof of real life out there on the
> Yello list, b) it's a good job you don't sysop Underworld's Dirtylist
> then, and c) that's not a very even-tempered thing to say, Mr Nibble!
>
> I risk ejection from list for tackling the sysop on this, but I can't
> let such things pass!
>
>
    I agree with Andrew 100%.  Sorry sysop, mostly c)  Kinda rude for a
person who does not do this to make people upset, but to make text easier to
read.

    TheRock




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From: Marko Patsikka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yeah
Date: 17 Feb 1998 13:01:53 +0200


Bo Andersen wrote:
> >PLEASE Don't Be Surprised if the Talks Pop-Up Again Though. With New > >Yello List Members, They are Gonna Ask the Same Questions. They are
> >NOT Gonna Know
>
> How about if we made a FAQ, that answered those questions - gave the
> derived consensus so to speak - and then send out the FAQ to each new > subscriber to our list? That would certainly take care of most of the > questions?

I think that we have very good FAQ already.
- there is Jonas FAQ site...
- lots of different kinds of Yello discographies...
- many very well maintained Yello related home pages...
- Yello Universe...
- Yello's official homebase...
- and the most important... Lazlo's mailing list archives...

I think that there we have almost all "normal information"! :-)

IMHO that all new members should read mailing list archives at first, if
there is no answers then is better ask more questions.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Yeah
Date: 17 Feb 1998 16:12:00 EST


There is  the remote possibility that a new member can have
email only capability, meaning asking them to go to a web site
would be a stretch.

Why not let FAQ's be F A ?

It's not like we are innnundated with people asking, "What is meant by
'Oh Yeah' " all the time.

Here's the scenario, I introduce you to a new friend, your hand him your bio
so that he doesn't ask any of those silly repitious questions that people tend
to ask.  Hardly grounds for a healthy relationship.


Regards,

    FG


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From: "Shane of SAMCO" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) FAQ and Other
Date: 17 Feb 1998 16:30:41 -0600


Hey,

        CAP-Man Here. Hope My Capitalization Practices Don't Offend to Many
People. It is and Never Was Inteneded to Offend Anyone or Be "Cute: for That
Matter. I Took the Comment as a VERY VERY Funny Joke. Thanks SYSOP!!! I
Think it Was Another Sysop of a Commodore-64 Color64 BBS Back in the Day
That Also Gave Me Hassle. OOOHHHHHH About 7 Years Ago. Thanks for the
Reminding Me!!! We Could Vote. I Vote for Originality, and Writers Rule!!!

        AnyHow: The Site Has Aquired a New Directory Called "Other Yello
Things" Which is Intended to Give Us a Place to Share Other Yello Things.
(Imagine That!!) For Example: There are Some VideoClips Being Thrown Up By
Another List Member Which Will Be Much Appreciated!!! I Also Have a Ton of
Scans I Have Done from Album Covers and STOLEN GRAPHICS from Yello Web-Sites
I Would Like to Toss-Up. They Could Come in Handy for WhatEver Others are
Doing with Yello's Music. (I Tend to Listen to It Mostly)

        The "Sample Others" DIR on the Site Has Not Seen Much of a Workout
By UpLoaders. Although Downloading Has Been VERY Healthy, but I Have Not
Heard ANY Reviews on the Tunes I Threw-Up. (Could My Tastes Be That
Hideous?? Possible!!!) The Group PROPAGANDA! Would Be a MUCH Appreciated
Up-Load to the Site!! I am Ver Interested in What the Others on the List
Actually Listen to Besides Yeller.

        I May Have Missed it, but What is the MP3  "YelloBBL"??? Sounds LIke
Raw Tracks. Really Cool!!!

        Ohh the FAQ Idea is Cool, BUT the Occasional Questions Don't Bother
Me. EveryOne Gets to Share the Questions as Well as the Answers Even Though
They are the Same Questions. What's Wrong with That. Won't Happen THAT Often
Really. I Don't Find Ignoring the E-Mails I am Not Interested in That
Taxing. Although That Deos Not Often Happen on THIS List!!!!!

   Well Enough Outta Me.................

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) don't bother
Date: 18 Feb 1998 08:43:48 +0100


What's the capital of Sweden?  "S"

Either a sysop stays unknown or he has to act as dungeonmaster.
All of you are earning or losing experience points.
I used to discover that if you keep a certain level of respect and humour
in any group, the leader will have more enthusiasm and he doesn't want to
give it all up all the time.
We already have to accept that not all of us have studied Englisch or that
the spelling might be a bit off.
I accepted that some people have to be warned about high level jokes.   : -
)
I wouldn't want to be capitalising everything just because I don't want to
use up my 'shift' button and I don't see the point in it.

Still this is my REQUEST.

Can we keep this mail as an epilog to all very-non-related mails?
Let's talk about YELLO, Propaganda, HI-FI, ...
Let's not second, third, two bob or reply off topic to this mail or other
non-related mail.
I would like to read more about Yello.

By the way, please mail this to me directly.
What CD are you most proud of to be the owner of? Doesn't even have to be
YELLO

Beekie,        groveling at a sysop's feet

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From: Chess Piece Face <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Stuff and stuff
Date: 18 Feb 1998 00:07:49 -0600


Just a quickie update... the video clips on Yellozone are now available all
at once, thanks to Rocket Ranger and his infinite FTP space. :)  (Someday
soon I hope to get more made!)  Also, there's a new (sort of) Trading Post
area to post your wares for buy/sell/trade...seems to be working pretty
well so far.

Laters all!



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From: Morten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Propaganda?
Date: 18 Feb 1998 09:50:54 -0800


Hi Rick!

> Perhaps you can clarify something for me re: PROPAGANDA.
>
> I have found a listing for "Secret Wish" by "Propaganda!"
>
> And I have found listings for "Wishful Thinking" and "1234" by "Propaganda."
>
> Are these albums by the same people?

Two people from the "original crew" continued... "A secret wish" came
out in 1985, I believe, "1234" came in 1990. Susanne Freytag shared the
singing with Betsi Miller and Claudia Bruecken went on to a, in my
opinion, rather succesful solo-album. Mertens stayed with Propaganda &
Doerper went on to Die Krupps, BUT helped writing some of the songs for
"1234"...

>Which is the popular favorite of YELLO fans?

Probably the earlier one "A secret wish". Get it, it was "considered"
ahead of its time, very good easy listening as well as some incredible
programming, ranging from jazz to "serious" pop, all neatly produced
with the help of Mr. Trevor Horn. Once you have gotten hooked to "A
secret wish", you may very well end up liking the follow up "1234",
although they progressed further into the pop-domain (which I think was
done close to perfection!). "1234" even features the likes of Howard
Jones, William Orbit, Pino Palladino, Tessa Niles, all recognized
musicians/producers. Another excellent instrumental progamming-job, in
the spirit of Yello, is track 7  "Ministry of fear" (on "1234")

I love Propaganda & Yello.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Rick Saal
> ([e-mail])

Much obliged,
Morten


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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) FTP Down Temporarly
Date: 18 Feb 1998 03:14:19 -0600


The FTP-Server is Down Tempoarily for Some Small Up-Grades on the
File-Server End. Should Be Back Up on Wensday Evening. Sorry for the
Hassle....



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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) FAQ and Other
Date: 18 Feb 1998 13:08:31 +0200


>From:    "Shane of SAMCO" <[e-mail]>
>
>Another List Member Which Will Be Much Appreciated!!! I Also Have a Ton of
>Scans I Have Done from Album Covers and STOLEN GRAPHICS from Yello Web-Sites

I would like to see all magazine articles scanned in and also all photographs.
It would be nice to have a complete photo collection. Now I have many
magazines and it is difficult to search for some particular photo.

>        I May Have Missed it, but What is the MP3  "YelloBBL"??? Sounds LIke
>Raw Tracks. Really Cool!!!

It is mentioned in MP3INDEX.HTM. They are How How samples.
For another set of samples look at Yello soundstations (remember dig
those extra samples from the disk directory directly). Or get them
from my FTP site "ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/music/western/Yello/
samples/".

>        Ohh the FAQ Idea is Cool, BUT the Occasional Questions Don't Bother
>Me. EveryOne Gets to Share the Questions as Well as the Answers Even Though
>They are the Same Questions. What's Wrong with That. Won't Happen THAT Often
>Really.

What if you want introduce Yello to some of your friends? The FAQ could
work nicely but not a suggestion to ask about Yello in here.

Yours,

Juhana


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From: Philippe ASTRUC <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Off topic ?
Date: 18 Feb 1998 12:04:31 +0100



>Propaganda was one of those
>groups which were good while they were alive.
Sadly : yes ! Have news about what they became ?




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Subject: (yello) Prop.
Date: 18 Feb 1998 16:12:14 +0100



Propaganda was one of those groups which were good while they were alive.
>Sadly : yes ! Have news about what they became ?
They stopped (or they must have become very unpopular).
Sometimes we welcome the demise of a group (like we will with the spice
girls).
Sometimes quality is not enough to keep people going.

WARNING!!! As posted from a previous interview, we should already be on the
lookout for the new YELLO movie.
It is very quiet around this topic. Still, Dieter did say the movie should
be out in march. But then, Microsoft makes promises like that every day.


Read ya,                                                     Beekie




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From: Philippe ASTRUC <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) WOH-woh-woh
Date: 19 Feb 1998 10:08:57 +0100



About "sysop's" view
>and c) your "cute" capitalization style is highly tiresome.
Andy Jackson wrote :
>and c) that's not a very even-tempered thing to say, Mr Nibble!
OK. But for me "tiresome" is kind of an euphemism. God, sometime I don't
even understand a word that he say ! (Friendly, Shane)
Then TheRock :
>mostly c)  Kinda rude for a
>person who does not do this to make people upset, but to make text easier
>to read.
Well : CQFD ! (in the Shane way : Ce Qu'il Fallait D=E9montrer)->QED
But we have more interesting things to talk about...

    Off topic ?
Morten said :
>If anyone is up for discussion: What would YELLO have sounded like being
>produced by someone like Trevor Horn, who, as it happens, produced
>Propaganda's debut album mentioned above "A Secret Wish"?!
Well, I'm not quite sure I'd like earing this. I mean, "A Secret Wish"
sounds more or less "cold", I could say crude. Maybe cause of their German
source they are more "angular" by comparison with Yello who are more, IMHO,
"colored" and "warm".
i.e. :
>Dan Mastous:  my faveorite Jewel.
Jewel is the "industrial" (before time?) counterpart of Duel (pop marked)
song on the same album.
Morten :
>Once you have gotten hooked to "A
>>secret wish", you may very well end up liking the follow up "1234",
>>although they progressed further into the pop-domain (which I think was
>>done close to perfection!).
I'm totally agreed wiyh you.
Shane :
>The Group PROPAGANDA! Would Be a MUCH Appreciated
>Up-Load to the Site!! I am Ver Interested in What the Others on the List
>Actually Listen to Besides Yeller.
I am to, and could do a survey if the list E-mail me. But somebody haven't
said it yet ?


Elric.




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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) WOH-woh-woh
Date: 19 Feb 1998 14:32:28 +0200


>From:    Philippe ASTRUC <[e-mail]>
>
>About "sysop's" view
>>and c) your "cute" capitalization style is highly tiresome.
>Andy Jackson wrote :
>>and c) that's not a very even-tempered thing to say, Mr Nibble!

S a e s w i i g s y e i   e l y h g l   i e o e   f i   s h g l
 h n '   r t n   t l   s r a l   i h y t r s m . I   t i   i h y
t r s m , h w e s   o   o l   a   h t t a   y s y n   i   s h g l
 i e o e   o   l e y u c u d s y t a   h n b   a i g " t i   i h y
t r s m "
 i e o e ?

J h n
 u a a


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From: Andrew Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) WOH-woh-woh
Date: 19 Feb 1998 13:18:18 GMT


Dr Jhn

> >About "sysop's" view
> >>and c) your "cute" capitalization style is highly tiresome.
> >Andy Jackson wrote :
> >>and c) that's not a very even-tempered thing to say, Mr Nibble!
>
> S a e s w i i g s y e i   e l y h g l   i e o e   f i   s h g l
>  h n '   r t n   t l   s r a l   i h y t r s m . I   t i   i h y
> t r s m , h w e s   o   o l   a   h t t a   y s y n   i   s h g l
>  i e o e   o   l e y u c u d s y t a   h n b   a i g " t i   i h y
> t r s m "
>  i e o e ?

Cn't b bthrd trnsltng ths, bt 'm sre t's scrmngly fnny. s ths thrd
rgrdd s bng ff-tpc Lzl?

Rgrds

Ndy Jcksn

: a n d r e w * j a c k s o n :
: l i b r a r i a n :
: s c h o o l * o f * n u r s i n g * a n d * m i d w i f e r y :
: u n i v e r s i t y * o f * d u n d e e :
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From: "Johnson, Brock A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) WOH - WOH - WHATEVER
Date: 19 Feb 1998 09:11:07 -0600


This talk is boring me.  The sysop commented on Rocket's typing, a few of us
thought that was out of line.  'Nuff said.  I don't think this should go on
forever.  I jumped on the Yello list to learn about Yello, not what people think
of Rocket's typing styles.  I suppose I'll be criticized for this, pretty sick
and immature in my opinion.

My expierence first started about a little over a year ago, when Rocket left me
ZEBRA after a car audio install.  I had a semi-system (plenty horrible with (2)
12's doin' mid-bass from hell!) in my car at the time.  ZEBRA rocked to say the
least.  I then have bought or borrowed: Zebra, Baby, One Second, Stella, Flag,
Pocket Universe, ClaroQueSi (haven't really listened to it yet, just borrowed
it), and Solid Pleasure.  I like Yello's sense of instrumentation, electronic or
not, it is very well done and the recordings are excellent!  I don't listen much
to the lyrics, I let the music set the emotion trying to be dispersed.  I also
like to listen to a few others that Rocket got me into.  Deep Forest, Mars
Lasar, Celine Dion (not from Rocket, but not a bad album - the latest), good
somewhat classics like the Cars, Journey, and Fleetwood Mac.  I just want to
give a disclaimer for Rocket in saying that Shania Twain's new album rocks and
that Rocket had absolutely no influence.  He would kill me if I alluded to him
liking country in any way. ;)

Anyway, what else do you all listen to?  I'll get the FTP server of Rocket's up
for temp usage.  (His FTP and Admin / My location has the T-1)  My Mp3Server was
needing some software upgrades Wednesday and it didn't go so good.  2nite I'd
like to get a temp uploads DIR going.  So do check back later 2nite.  Upload
some Propaganda or whatever else you are interested in.  Don't knock me down
because of Shania Twain however, please!

TheRock


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From: Mathias af Jochnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yelllooooooooooo....
Date: 19 Feb 1998 18:58:01 +0100 (MET)


Hiya. My name is Mathias af Jochnick, I'm new to this list, and as it was
said somewhere to type an introduction email, I do!

I'm 24(6 days ago!) and Swedish, but for the moment living with my
girlfriend in Copenhagen, Denmark, studying Computer Science.
(And missing Mom!)

I'm not very technically orientated when it comes to music, I just love to
listen to it. I'm very interrested in music though, and I spend way too
much money on CD's...
I got into Yello when the Rubberbandman single was released. I had heard
some of their songs before, but the weird video and cool sound made me buy
Baby, and I've been totally hooked since.

What I love about Yello is their way of making it sound like they have
been working with EACH little tiny sample and sound for WeekS in each
song, where to put it and and when, and what. I've never heard music that
sound so rich, full, warm and above all, finished and complete.

I've got most of their albums. I do think that Pocket Universe was a
little bit of a disappointment. My favourites are Zebra and Baby, my
favourite songs are Drive\Driven, Blender, Nighttrain, Suite909,
Moon on Ice, Capri Calling, 3:rd of June, just to name a few.

This something to start with. I hope the next week will bring
more interesting topics of discussion than the last few days.

yours, Mathias (Also a C64-freak! Sid rules!)

- Mathias af Jochnick, Fr.Sundsvej 259A 2th. 2700 Bronshoj, Denmark -
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From: jeffrey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Looking for Baby + PU
Date: 19 Feb 1998 12:30:43 -0500


I am looking for these two titles, used, in a trade.

Baby - CD
Pocket Universe - CD

If you have either of them, and are willing to trade let me know and Ill
send you my trade list.

Jeffrey




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From: "Chris Norton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) WOH - WOH - WHATEVER
Date: 20 Feb 1998 07:51:06 EST


>This talk is boring me.  The sysop commented on Rocket's typing, a few
of us
>thought that was out of line.  'Nuff said.  I don't think this should
go on
>forever.

HeAr, HeAr.  iF You can'T Bear tO Read rOCKET'S MeSsAgEs,

FFFF  III  L    TTT  EEE  RRR       H H  III  M     M   !
F      I   L     T   E    R R       H H   I   MM   MM   !
FFF    I   L     T   EEE  RRR       HHH   I   M  M  M   !
F      I   L     T   E    RR        H H   I   M     M   !
F     III  LLL   T   EEE  R  R      H H  III  M     M   !

Now let's have an end to personal criticism and get on with the topic.

     .sirhC

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From: "Per-Stian Vatne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Where to buy Yello
Date: 19 Feb 1998 10:40:32 +0100


After listening to those MP3's from the *great* FTP site, I'm starting =
to realize that I need to expand my collection of the 12 "regular" Yello =
albums + the (lousy) Jingle Bells single, to include some of those =
singles from the FTP site.=20

My problem is that I really can't find much besides from the standard =
CD's in Norwegian record shops (new that is), and even when I checked =
some of these online CD stores, I wasn't quite able to find the really =
big selection of Yello stuff (again, besides from the 12 regular =
albums). I found (and ordered) a couple of singles + a CD at =
skivhugget.se, but that's about it.

Does anyone have a place for me to start looking for, let's say, Yello =
singles on the Internet? In addition to singles, I have also been trying =
to find the double-CD "Hands on Yello - the updates" album without any =
luck. Is this available somewhere at an online store?

Regards,
Per-Stian


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From: "Shane of SAMCO" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) FTP Down for ANOTHER Night!!
Date: 19 Feb 1998 06:07:57 -0600


Sorry About the FTP-Server Being Down. It is Not the Server ItSelf, but the
File-Server it is Attached to is Down for an UpGrade. Like I Might Has
Mentioned Before, it is NOT Local to Me and My Buddies are Workin on it.
Sorry for the Inconveince!!!!!

The CAP Thing Was Taken as A Joke, and Shall Be ignored Like One. Let's Talk
About More Interesting Things Shall We????

Hope to Hear Some More Music from the Others on the Lists When the FTP
Server is Up Again. I Will Be Dropping Several More Artists into the "Sample
Others" DIR Soon. I WOuld Much Rather Hear More from the Rest of the List
Though. I Know My Tastes, and from the Lack of Response from Those That Did
Download My Picks, MayBe I Should Not Throw AnyMore of Mine in There?????

AnyOne Like Anything from the   "Sample Others"   DIR?? HELP!!! I am
Depressed. Nobody Liked My Picks???? Or NoBody Had Time to Respond??

Allright Enough Outta Me!!!!!


Shane of DownFTP\Bad-Picks?


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From: "Geir Hauso" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello interview + Jetzt und alles
Date: 19 Feb 1998 18:26:22 +0100


Hey Yello guys out there and a great new Yello-year to all of you!

May somebody help me with a interview with Dieter meier where he
discuss:Food,his daughters,expose himself.(Baktak records 1989?)

Maybe i`ll get the "Jetzt und alles" movie soon.

THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR HELP UNTIL NOW...

Huge yelloregards

Geir /[e-mail]


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From: "Shane of SAMCO" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Who is This Guy???
Date: 19 Feb 1998 11:56:26 -0600


Who is This "TheRock" Character!!!! Country, He Deserves a Peice of Hell
from the Whole List!!!!! (Allthough Shania Makes Great WallPaper!!!)

"Ma Wife Left Me"    "Ma Dog Died"     "Ma Boots are Wet and Don't Fit NoMo"
"Ma Pickup is Stuck in 1st Gear"   "Ma Girl Has the Buns of a Heifer"    "Ma
Dreams are ReFried (That's Also Real Cute)"    "Ma Tweeter Twauk Instead of
Tweet"   "Ma Woofers Fart instead of Woof"   "Ma MUSIC IS REFRIED and DIED"
"Ma Girl Deosn't Look Half of Shania or LeeAnn"  Thank God She is Twice
Reiba Though!!!!!"    "    "Worst of All, YELLO Makes it all Sound Really
BAD!!!!!!!"

Hope "The Rock" is Pissed!!! Take Him in a HandStand Contest
RIGHT-NOW!!!!!!

d
n
a
t
S
d
n
a
H

How's That for Off the Subject. Sorry About That!!!!  The Rock Deserves the
Abuse!!!! The Hassle Ain't Dishin Enough!!!!

Rocket of ANTI-Country\Shania Wallpaper


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From: Joakim Skog <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Looking for Baby + PU
Date: 19 Feb 1998 23:01:17 +0100


>I am looking for these two titles, used, in a trade.

>

>Baby - CD

>Pocket Universe - CD

>

>If you have either of them, and are willing to trade let me know and
Ill

>send you my trade list.


In Sweden we have a new Internet-shop calles Boxman
http://www.boxman.se that carries (among almost everything else) Yellos
albums. I don't know if it's possible to order from abroad (probably
not since it's only in Swedish at the moment) but maybe some kind Swede
on the list can help you. 8,10 kronor (kr) is about 1 $, and 13 kronor
is 1 =A3.


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</bigger></bigger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param=
>CCCC,0000,0000</param>Yello
1980-85 - new mix in one
go    </color></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigger> </b=
igger></bigger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>CD    </fontfamily>=
<fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigger> </bigger></bigger></fontfam=
ily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>1986-03-25     </fontfamily><fontfamily><pa=
ram>Times</param><bigger><bigger>     </bigger></bigger></fontfamily><fontfamil=
y><param>Arial</param>77
kr     </fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigger>=20

</bigger></bigger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param=
>CCCC,0000,0000</param>Stella    </color></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times<=
/param><bigger><bigger>     </bigger></bigger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>A=
rial</param>CD    </fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigger>=
     </bigger></bigger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>1985-02-20 =
    </fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigger>     </bigger></b=
igger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>77
kr     </fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigger>=20

</bigger></bigger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param=
>CCCC,0000,0000</param>You
gotta say yes to another
excess</color>CD    </fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigge=
r> </bigger></bigger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>1983-09-19=
     </fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigger>     </bigger></=
bigger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>77
kr     </fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigger>=20

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From: Marko Patsikka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Where to buy Yello
Date: 19 Feb 1998 20:52:50 +0200


Per-Stian Vatne wrote:

> Does anyone have a place for me to start looking for, let's say, Yello singles on the Internet? In addition to singles, I have also been trying to find the double-CD "Hands on Yello - the updates" album without any luck. Is this available somewhere at an online store?

There is few good places... But maybe best place to start is
http://xmcd.vt.com/xm/commercial/
There you can look out Yello items from several different record stores.

And maybe best way is usenet. There is lot of different kinds of record
groups... (alt., rec, ->->  cd's, cassettes, videos, vinyls etc...)

And last, there is few items also in my Yello site! :-)

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From: Oleg Yanshin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) MIDI
Date: 20 Feb 1998 14:48:52 +0300


        Hello all !

When i  subscribed to the list, i forgot to introduce myself, sorry.
I'm 28 years old. Yello is my favorite band, i like their melodies, rythms,
sounds and humor of course.
Does anyone know location of Yello tracks in midi format ?

Thanks, bye.

---
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Who is This Guy???
Date: 20 Feb 1998 19:56:19 EST


In a message dated 98-02-19 17:08:19 EST, you write:

<< Subj:     (yello) Who is This Guy???
 Date:    98-02-19 17:08:19 EST
 From:    [e-mail] (Shane of SAMCO)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail] (Shane of SAMCO)
 To:    [e-mail] (Yello List)


 Who is This "TheRock" Character!!!! Country, He Deserves a Peice of Hell
 from the Whole List!!!!! (Allthough Shania Makes Great WallPaper!!!)

 "Ma Wife Left Me"    "Ma Dog Died"     "Ma Boots are Wet and Don't Fit NoMo"
 "Ma Pickup is Stuck in 1st Gear"   "Ma Girl Has the Buns of a Heifer"    "Ma
 Dreams are ReFried (That's Also Real Cute)"    "Ma Tweeter Twauk Instead of
 Tweet"   "Ma Woofers Fart instead of Woof"   "Ma MUSIC IS REFRIED and DIED"
 "Ma Girl Deosn't Look Half of Shania or LeeAnn"  Thank God She is Twice
 Reiba Though!!!!!"    "    "Worst of All, YELLO Makes it all Sound Really
 BAD!!!!!!!"

 Hope "The Rock" is Pissed!!! Take Him in a HandStand Contest
 RIGHT-NOW!!!!!!

 d
 n
 a
 t
 S
 d
 n
 a
 H

 How's That for Off the Subject. Sorry About That!!!!  The Rock Deserves the
 Abuse!!!! The Hassle Ain't Dishin Enough!!!!

 Rocket of ANTI-Country\Shania Wallpaper<<>>>>


You guys gotta stop this stupid stuff. You sound like the Underworld List.
Just a whole bunch of punks fighting and swearing. I don't even bother to read
the Underworld list any more.  I don't want this to happen to this list.

We are not punks! (at least I hope)

Julian


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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) UnderGroud List??
Date: 21 Feb 1998 07:23:32 -0600


>>You guys gotta stop this stupid stuff. You sound like the Underworld
>>List.
>>Just a whole bunch of punks fighting and swearing. I don't even >>bother
to read
>>the Underworld list any more.  I don't want this to happen to this list.

>>We are not punks! (at least I hope)

>>Julian
Hey,

        If There is AnyOne Besides Julio Who Hasn't Noticed Yet. That Was a
Joke to a Close Friend. TheRock Hosts the FTP-Site for the Most Part. His
Connection and File-Server. This is a Fun-Joke.... I Hope This List isn't
That Stuffy???

        By the Way. What Other UnderGround Lists is That??? I Would Not Mind
Scopin That One Out in Case This One is Stuffy. Considering That Most of the
List is in Tune with Good-Humor, I Would Think Nooo. I Have Enjoyed the
Group.......

Later and Sorry if I Mis-Lead....

PUNKS Huh??  Now That is VERY VERY Special. Never Been Called a Punk
Before!!! Kinda Like it. Makes Me Feel Young. Oh Wait I Am Young......
AnyHow..

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Subject: Re: (yello) UnderGroud List??
Date: 21 Feb 1998 10:32:16 +0200


Url Thlf!!


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lbh qba'g fgbc gung gnyx, zbfg bs Lbh jvyy or sbhaq va Xvyy-yvfg. V nz
fher gung v'z abg bayl bar jub guvax yvxr gung!!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) UnderGroud List??
Date: 22 Feb 1998 20:25:53 EST


In a message dated 98-02-21 08:22:01 EST, you write:

<< TheRock Hosts the FTP-Site >>

So what's your point again?

Julian


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From: "Mark Pulley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) UnderGroud List??
Date: 23 Feb 1998 04:05:17 PST


>From: Marko Patsikka <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (yello) UnderGroud List??
>
>Url Thlf!!
>
>Pbhyq lbh fgbc guvf shpxva fghcvq gnyxvat!! V nz ernyyl shyy bs vg, vs
>[etc.]

Great. I spend two months without email, and the first message I get
when I rejoin is this one. :)

For those who joined in the last two months, I'm Mark (as you can
probably guess), and I've just moved to Orange (not Yello[w], but close
enough), a city about four hours west of Sydney, Australia. And before
you ask, they grow apples here.

P.S. I came across a reference to a new remix of Vicious Games in
CDZone. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else, so the big question
is... does it really exist? (In my experience they frequently have
non-existent records listed.)


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From: "Mark Pulley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) UnderGroud List??
Date: 23 Feb 1998 04:05:17 PST


>From: Marko Patsikka <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (yello) UnderGroud List??
>
>Url Thlf!!
>
>Pbhyq lbh fgbc guvf shpxva fghcvq gnyxvat!! V nz ernyyl shyy bs vg, vs
>[etc.]

Great. I spend two months without email, and the first message I get
when I rejoin is this one. :)

For those who joined in the last two months, I'm Mark (as you can
probably guess), and I've just moved to Orange (not Yello[w], but close
enough), a city about four hours west of Sydney, Australia. And before
you ask, they grow apples here.

P.S. I came across a reference to a new remix of Vicious Games in
CDZone. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else, so the big question
is... does it really exist? (In my experience they frequently have
non-existent records listed.)


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From: Bonzo <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Big Boy
Date: 23 Feb 1998 18:34:48 -0000


Hugely endowed hunky young guy seeks 18 year old busty nymphette for endless
nights of...

Ermm, sorry. Wrong mailing list.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) UnderGroud List??
Date: 23 Feb 1998 17:51:29 EST


In a message dated 98-02-23 17:20:51 EST, you write:

<< The point is that you are still on AOL. Enough Said......... >>

Man you don't even know me. I just use this as my mail server and since I use
the greatest  OS in the world a "Macintosh" there is a lot of resource of Mac
stuff on AOL.
And I suppose you still use a modem to connect?
YOU don't even know me buddy.
(Sorry everyone this is the last time I respond to this mockery.)

Julian


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Yello goods for sale
Date: 23 Feb 1998 18:15:47 EST


I just received the list of for sale items by Yello from ENERGY in the UK.
EMail me and I will foreward to you. There are over 70 items available.

Best,
     FG

HEDCANDY: contact me please


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From: "McRae, Richard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) CD compatibility
Date: 23 Feb 1998 16:07:16 -0800


I live in the USA and want to know if I order a CD from the UK or other
places will I be able to play it on the equipment that I have or is it not
compatible with my hardware?

Richard


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) CD compatibility
Date: 23 Feb 1998 19:38:07 EST


In a message dated 24/02/98 00:09:56 GMT, you write:

<< I live in the USA and want to know if I order a CD from the UK or other
 places will I be able to play it on the equipment that I have or is it not
 compatible with my hardware? >>

I presume you may have got this idea from the fact that Video Cassettes
produced in this country are recorded using a different system to that
prevalent in the USA and are therefore not compatible.

With CDs however have no fear: I have bought CDs in Europe (East & West),
Thailand, USA etc etc and a CD is a CD and will play on any system, anywhere.

The only thing of course is price.... CDs in your country are much cheaper,
than they are here in the UK, so I would at least try Tower Records on the web
or something (if you live outside a major town), before here, where you'll
find yourself paying the rough equivalent of $20 per CD.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) CD compatibility
Date: 24 Feb 1998 08:33:32 +0100



>I live in the USA and want to know if I order a CD from the UK or other
>places will I be able to play it on the equipment that I have or is it not
>compatible with my hardware?
Years ago, there were companies like Autocad who would dare to make two
different versions of their software without guaranteeing their
compatibility.
Thanks to hackers all over the world, we have the cracked stuff as fast as
you do so I can say with some certainty that whatever you are trying to do,
there's no 'nameless border' between us. But, the next time you plug in a
CD, ANY CD, remember some Dutch weirdo from Phillips came up with it. On
hardware, we came first.


There is a substitute for cubic inches.

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From: Olaf Goorden <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) KMFDM
Date: 24 Feb 1998 15:19:29 +0100


Hoi!

Heard a track by 'KMFDM' titled 'Unfit' today.
I don't know if it just sounds like Yello (mostly the chorus) by =
accident or if the Yello-influence in this particular song is on =
purpose.
I'm also not sure if the rest of there work is similar, but I'll =
probably find out quite soon.
By the time I recover the link to the ftp-site again (I got a new cpu =
(p200 at last) and have trouble finding my mailfolders and bookmarks =
from the old one), I'll upload the song. Maybe someone could once again =
send me the address to the site (to my personal mailbox).

Groeven,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) KMFDM
Date: 24 Feb 1998 22:03:47 EST


In a message dated 24/02/98 14:18:18 GMT, you write:

<< Heard a track by 'KMFDM' titled 'Unfit' today. >>

Thanks for this I hadn't heard of any KMFDM "product" since the 1996 album:
"Xtort" and your posting got me to investigate their website at www.kmfdm.net
to find out where this track was from. The 1997 album, it appears on (which
I've now ordered !) has symbols for a title (shades of Led Zeppelin !!!), and
it was also on a recent single.

Anyway they're a German band based in the US (for some-time now), the name
means (and I hope I'm not offending anyone's sensibilities here) Kill
MotherFucking Depeche Mode and the mainstay is a guy called Sascha Konietzko.
I would personally say that they have a lot more in common with bands like
Ministry and Front 242, than they do with Yello though and their first album
"What do you know, Deutschland" is still one of their best. One other
distinctive feature is their cover art, which has always been done by a
(British duo... I think): Brute. According to the website a collaboration they
did with My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult is still available, which is worth
$6.00 of anybody's money in my book.

Anyway anyone who wants to find out more knows where to go. A very different
artist (who also uses electronics): Momus, is someone else who deserves wider
recognition.

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Album Ranking
Date: 25 Feb 1998 11:28:34 +0100


Hi.

These are the final results.


1 Pocket Universe
2 Stella
3 Baby
4 Flag
5 One Second
6 You Gotta Say Yes To Another Excess
7 Claro Que Si
7 Zebra
9 Solid Pleasure


The first four  votes ranked Claro Que Si as 5, 2, 1, 1, and that was a
bit of a surprise to me because I've never seen any list with Claro Que
Si ranked so High. But the it started to  receive a lot of 7 , 8 and 9.

The albums that got the  most no 1 rankings was PU, Stella and Claro Que
Si.

The only albums that didn't get a no 1 ranking was Zebra and Solid
Pleasure. The  highest ranking they got was no 2.

The albums that got ranked as no 9 was Zebra, Claro Que Si, Solid
Pleasure, Stella and You Gotta....

All albums received a ranking as low as 7 or lower.

It was quite close from Flag to Zebra and with a few more votes, the
list could have looked quite different.

In conclusion one can say that when looking at the individual
rankinglists, this ranking shows that Yello fans tend to rank Solid
Pleasure as lowest. The rest of the albums are quite close.


Now I'm taking my fever back to bed to cough myself to sleep.

Eric



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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Who is This Guy???
Date: 25 Feb 1998 15:19:27 CET



>Who is This "TheRock" Character!!!! Country, He Deserves a Peice of
Hell
>from the Whole List!!!!!
>
>Rocket of ANTI-Country\Shania Wallpaper
>

Well, mister Rocket, I'm afraid that TheRock isn't the only country-dude
on this list, so be careful... Btw, how can any living person NOT dig
the coolest singer alive: Johnny Cash?!?

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Subject: Re: (yello) Who is This Guy???
Date: 25 Feb 1998 15:38:51 +0100



>Well, mister Rocket, I'm afraid that TheRock isn't the only country-dude
>on this list, so be careful... Btw, how can any living person NOT dig
>the coolest singer alive: Johnny Cash?!?

Johnny is still alive? I'll beter dig him back up then.




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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) KMFDM
Date: 25 Feb 1998 16:06:05 CET



>Anyway they're a German band based in the US (for some-time now), the
>name means (and I hope I'm not offending anyone's sensibilities here)
>KillMotherFucking Depeche Mode
>
>Andrew Wales
>[e-mail]
>

Sorry Andrew, but that Depeche Mode was only a joke from the band's
side. Actually KMFDM means somethin like Kein Mitlied Fⁿr Die MajoritΣt
(I'm not sure of the exact words), which means something like No Pity
For The Majority.
End of today's correction (I hope).

Take it easy!

- Henrik

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From: "Robert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Pocket Universe
Date: 26 Feb 1998 00:20:59 -0600


I've listened to Pocket Universe for the first time today in about two
months. I've forgotten how much I love this album... this is one of the
finest Yello assortments ever. Especially "More"...

The whole album is just gorgeous. I love it more and more as I listen to it
again.

Just had to comment. :)




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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Pocket Universe
Date: 26 Feb 1998 04:28:11 -0600


I Really Like Techno for Techno, but i Do Miss the OLD Yello. Loved ZEBRA.
What Happened?? Did My Tastes Change, or Did Yello Change??

Just Opinion.....

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From: "Henrik BetnΘr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Mr Cash! (How did we get into this topic?)
Date: 26 Feb 1998 16:40:24 CET


>
><< Johnny Cash >>
>The original Man In Black
>
Hey everybody!!

It's Johnny's birthday today!!!

(He'll be 66)

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From: "Robert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Pocket Universe
Date: 26 Feb 1998 11:29:38 -0600


>I Really Like Techno for Techno, but i Do Miss the OLD Yello. Loved ZEBRA.
>What Happened?? Did My Tastes Change, or Did Yello Change??
>
>Just Opinion.....


Yello clearly changed for Pocket Universe. I've not really noticed any album
of Yello's that was similar to the previous. However, Pocket Universe is the
most different of the batch. It's really quite good. Zebra is still up there
as #2 with Baby as a close third. Pocket is of course my #1 choice right
now.

We'll see what they come up with next... heh.

(Although, I wouldn't mind a few more like "On the Run")



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From: "Per-Stian Vatne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Pocket Universe
Date: 26 Feb 1998 21:11:39 +0100


| Yello clearly changed for Pocket Universe. I've not really noticed any =
album
| of Yello's that was similar to the previous. However, Pocket Universe =
is the
 | most different of the batch. It's really quite good. Zebra is still =
up there
| as #2 with Baby as a close third. Pocket is of course my #1 choice =
right
| now.


I think Yello was more Yello up to and including "Flag" (1988). "Baby" =
and "Zebra" were both good albums, but at that time Yello's music didn't =
sound quite so original as they used to. "Pocket Universe" sounds more =
original and has some really good songs on it, but it's far from my =
favorite yet (maybe I have to listen to it more?)

The first Yello album I ever listened to was "Solid Pleasure" (1980) at =
the age of 14 (1989)... it's still my favorite Yello-Yello album, =
although I like "Flag" better all over.

| We'll see what they come up with next... heh.

Can't wait... :)  I just hope they go for original and new sound, and =
not the techno-sort-of-sound - that's what they're good at! For the real =
techno part (and I do NOT mean euro-trash-dance) I find albums like =
Motorbass' "Pansoul" (1996) or Daft Punk's "Homework" (1996) better.

Regards,
Per-Stian



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From: Olaf Goorden <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) KMFDM goes ftp
Date: 26 Feb 1998 21:36:18 +0100


Hoi!

I uploaded 'KMFDM - Unfit' to the ftp-site tonight.
Check out the chorus in particular!

It came from the CD '@#!@$' (free interpretation of the title).

Groeven,
Olaf.



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From: "Rocket Ranger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) "On the Run"
Date: 26 Feb 1998 14:48:37 -0600


"On the Run" and Others off of "Baby" are Such Very Exciting, Driving,
Jazz-Style Tunes. Yello Exhibited This Also in "Zebra" and "Flag". They Need
to Get Back to Their Fishion\Jazz Style. Love When They Play with the
Horns!!!!!  I Have Heard Enough Techno for the Rest of My Life.



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From: "Chris Norton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: (yello) Yello Influence
Date: 27 Feb 1998 08:11:16 EST


>>From:    "Chris Norton" <[e-mail]>
>>
>>On Leftfield's "Leftism" CD, there is a dubby rasta track called
>>'Inspection (Check One)'.  About 2/3 of the way through the song, I
>>swear I can hear a voice call out "Yello!" (as Dieter often does).  Is
>>this a sample?  Is this a tribute?  Or am I just hearing things?
>
>Could you please sample the "Yello!" voice and put it available?

At last!

I have now uploaded a brief sample of the "Yello" voice from 'Check 1'
to the "Sample Others" directory on Shane's FTP site.

Chris

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Mr Cash! (How did we get into this topic?)
Date: 27 Feb 1998 13:08:19 +0100



>Hey everybody!!
>It's Johnny's birthday today!!!
>(He'll be 66)
Did anyone notice the satanic message above? 'Hell be 666'





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