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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) ADMINISTRIVIA: Admin Goes West (read)
Date: 07 Oct 1997 17:42:49 -0600 (MDT)


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From: [e-mail] (Craig Hull)
Subject: (yello) Introduction
Date: 10 Oct 1997 17:27:54 +1000


Hello all,

as a new member to this list I would like to send my best wishes to
everyone with a similar interest in Yello, and to give a brief
introduction.

My name is Craig Hull. I am 26 years old, and I am nearing the end of a PhD
studying insect sensory physiology (I spend most of my days sticking
electrodes into fly antennae). I live in Brisbane, Australia and have done
so since 1983. Before that I spent a few years in New Zealand, and before
that I was in Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia). I have various hobbies and
pastimes of course, reading, sport etc, but I shan't go into detail about
them.

As for my musical tastes, when not listening to Yello I like to put on Deep
Forest, Enigma, Jam and Spoon, Cosmic Baby, Sacred Spirit, as well as
various "pop" or "rock" music. But mostly I like to hear the blending of
different sounds and rhythms, and so Yello still gets the highest rotation
on my cd player. Do I have a favourite Yello cd? Well, it depends on my
mood of course, but I find I listen to "Stella" quite often (I just love
"Sometimes (Dr. Hirsch)". I could list all of my other favourite Yello
songs, but it would not be appropriate for this introduction. Suffice to
say that the more I listen to Yello, the more I pick out new aspects to
songs, and appreciate them anew.

OK, that is all I wanted to say, so goodbye for now.
Regards,
Craig.


Craig Hull
E-mail [e-mail]




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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) newbie 2
Date: 10 Oct 1997 11:41:56 +0100


Hi All!

I just got my first mail on this list from Craig and i didn't realise that=20=
the=20
subscription had worked, but it did obviosly, but theres not much going on=20=
here=20
at the moment or?

My favourite recordings from Yello is Claro Que Si and Solid pleasure but a=
re=20
there anything earlier than that released maybee under som other bandname?

How is it with maxisingles from theese two recordings?

Can U find live at roxy on CD?

Best Regards!

//Andreas Schuldt


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From: Withers Jerry PN SAP <[e-mail]>
Date: 10 Oct 1997 12:43:07 +0200


Hi, I'm back on the list.

Jerry Withers



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) 3 different yello 45's for sale
Date: 10 Oct 1997 10:19:02 -0400


..hello all yello fans..i have the following yello 7" 45's for sale:

1) i love you / uk / stiff records / p-but-176 / 1983 / amazing 3-d pictures
on both sides, one of king kong on top of a building grabbing the words
'yello', & a close-up of the gorilla's head on the other side, along with
the title graphics 'yello-i love you-in amazing 3-d' / no picture sleeve /
includes pair of '3-d' glasses to view the special effects! / $30

2) desire/oh yeah(indian summer) / holland / vertigo records / 880 895-7 /
1985 / sticker on white-label says: 'sample record-not for sale' / textured
picture sleeve has same sticker on the back of the sleeve / $15

3)call it love/l'hotel / usa / mercury records / 888 311-7 / 1987 / features
billy mackenzie on backing vocals! / $10

..the pic sleeves show some slight wear, the records are mint
condition--these 45's are rarely offered for sale anywhere..all prices in
u.s. dollars, postage extra at cost..kindly e-mail me to reserve..sorry, i
only have one of each for sale..thanks, i look forward to hearing from you
cheers    big al



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From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) newbie 2
Date: 10 Oct 1997 20:21:04 +0100


> My favourite recordings from Yello is Claro Que Si and Solid
pleasure but are
> there anything earlier than that released maybee under som other
bandname?

No. Only the 12" from 1979. (See my discog)

> How is it with maxisingles from theese two recordings?

Bostich, She's Got a Gun, Pinball Cha Cha, Bimbo (US).
Please see my discog for futher details.

> Can U find live at roxy on CD?

Only second hand I think.

Regards, Jonas Warstad

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THE MUSIC WORLD OF JONAS WARSTAD:

http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar

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From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Fw: "Yello's Shadow"
Date: 12 Oct 1997 18:10:28 +0100


Hi! I got this mail, I thought I'd be of a general interest.
Regards, JW (PS I couldn't find the actual picture...)

----------
> From: shadowofthestars <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: "Yello's Shadow"
> Date:  den 11 oktober 1997 12:36
>
> I present to you the "Shadow of the Stars" (us)Art site of the
French
> painter Guingand.
> Since 1987,151 Stars and international celebrities have posed for
him
> and signed their Shadows painted on 6 feet 6 inche x 5 feet
canvasses.
> Paris In 1990,Yello Dieter Meier and Boris Blank have posed for the
> painter Guingand.
> Today,this Art work is For Sale.
>                      "Yello's Shadow"
>                           (1990)
>        Acrylic on 6 feet 6 inche x 5 feet canvasse.
>      Signed by Boris Blank,Dieter Meier and Guingand.
>
> Please visit http://www.ShadowOfTheStars.com
> Best regards,
> Louise





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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Music in Cobra Space Adventure
Date: 15 Oct 1997 08:30:04 +0200


Hi !

It=B4s been awfull quiet on the list for a while so maybe this could =
spice
things up. Unfortunatly I've not been able to reach the adress myself,
but maybe someone else will get lucky.

Cobra's Music Ressource Center

Recuperez les musiques de Cobra Space Adventure et les infos dispo sur
le web...
http://www.mygale.org/07/blade/

(sorry but I don't know how to highlight the address so you get access
directly. I guesse you'll have to print it yourself, but on the other
hand, maybe it's worth it)

Regards
Eric


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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Music in Cobra Space Adventure
Date: 16 Oct 1997 08:04:05 +0200


It's been awfull quiet on the list for a while so maybe this could spice
things up. Unfortunatly I've not been able to reach the adress myself,
but maybe someone else will get lucky.

Cobra's Music Ressource Center
Recuperez les musigue de Cobra Space Adventure et les infos dispo sur le
web..
http://www.mygale.org/o7/blade/

Regards
Eric



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From: Georg Plank <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:04:54 +0100


I hope somebody has more information
about the Hands on Yello - La Habanera 12"

I have got the 12" promo from 1996 (no catalog number)
          6:47  La Habanera (prophets of rage fat free mix)
          7:39  La Habanera (mars hill's mix)
          7:57  La Habanera (hallquist and s.a.i.n vocal mix)
          6:45  La Habanera (bastone club plex mix)

But Lazlo wrote in his disccog about a 2x12" :

Yello: Hands On Yello - La Habanera (The Remixes)
  [1996] promo single

 2x12": 1996 GE (Urban; {La-Habanera-Rec.I-A/I-B/II-A/II-B}) [promo]
          6:47  La Habanera (prophets of rage fat free mix)
          7:39  La Habanera (mars hill's mix)
          7:57  La Habanera (hallquist and s.a.i.n vocal mix)
          6:45  La Habanera (bastone club plex mix)
          8:01  La Habanera (prophets of rage electro mix)
          7:14  La Habanera (s+m's blue bomb mix)
          7:41  La Habanera (hallquist and s.a.i.n deep dub mix)
          6:04  La Habanera (plextone mix)
          5:45  La Habanera (carl craig mix)

Has anybody more details about this 2x12" single.
Is it a box, or a slipcase or two seperate discs ....
I only have the first single in a custom (urban/motormusic) cover
and nothing is written on it relating to another single...

Yours,

G E O R G


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From: Withers Jerry PN SAP <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) AW:
Date: 16 Oct 1997 14:16:12 +0200



I bought the Hands on Yello double CD remix thingie, listened to it once
and gave it away. It was just plain awful! It wasn't Yello, it was just
junk.

>Jerry Withers


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Ang:
Date: 16 Oct 1997 15:33:57 +0100


Hi!

Where'nt this song on the B-side of oh yeah originally? I have some 12" edi=
tion=20
from the soundtrack to "ferry buellers day off" or something its a german=20
pressing.

//Andreas Schuldt

I hope somebody has more information
about the Hands on Yello - La Habanera 12"

I have got the 12" promo from 1996 (no catalog number)
          6:47  La Habanera (prophets of rage fat free mix)
          7:39  La Habanera (mars hill's mix)
          7:57  La Habanera (hallquist and s.a.i.n vocal mix)
          6:45  La Habanera (bastone club plex mix)



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From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Music in Cobra Space Adventure
Date: 16 Oct 1997 17:36:47 +0100


Thanks Eric!

I don't know French good enough to tell
whether there was a soundtrack CD too,
could anyone help out on this?

PS guys: check out the woman on that page!

JW





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From: Withers Jerry PN SAP <[e-mail]>
Subject: AW: (yello) Music in Cobra Space Adventure
Date: 16 Oct 1997 18:07:39 +0200


>
>PS guys: check out the woman on that page!
>
>JW
>
>What Page?


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From: Vladimir Pantelic <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Music in Cobra Space Adventure
Date: 16 Oct 1997 11:55:36 +0200


Sch=E4der Eric wrote:

> web..
> http://www.mygale.org/o7/blade/

This URL isn't working ???

Vladimir

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From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Music in Cobra Space Adventure
Date: 16 Oct 1997 21:40:33 +0100


This link IS working. The "o7" should be "07",
like this:

http://www.mygale.org/07/blade/

Enjoy!

JW





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From: Withers Jerry PN SAP <[e-mail]>
Subject: WG: (yello) AW:
Date: 17 Oct 1997 10:20:48 +0200


>>I bought the Hands on Yello double CD remix thingie, listened to it
>once and gave it away. It was just plain awful! It wasn't Yello, it was
>just junk.
>
>Did you not even bother to read the back and front covers of the CD
>and seen all the DJ Names, There kind well know to most folk i.e. The
>Orb, Jam & Spoon :-), Carl Cox, The whole Idea of the Album was that
>Top DJ's remixed old Yello songs. Simple Really, I like it for what it
>is but some the Interpreations of the Yello songs are a bit too wide
>of the mark for me but there is couple of DJ's that I like so that is
>a bonus for me.

I did read it, but I don't buy a CD to read the text. I want to listen
to the music and it was plain junk! I have never heard of these DJ's and
don't believe I am missing anything. It was a waste of money. Plain and
simple! I'd rather have re-mixes by Yello themselves than these pieces
of "!*'$$%&%.

Jerry


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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Cobra Resource
Date: 17 Oct 1997 09:31:34 +0100



I've got through to  http://www.mygale.org/07/blade/
but where do you go from there?

I can see no mention of Cobra.

James    [e-mail]


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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) AW: double cd?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 12:25:22 +0000


Hoi!

> I bought the Hands on Yello double CD remix thingie, listened to it once
> and gave it away. It was just plain awful! It wasn't Yello, it was just
> junk.
>
> >Jerry Withers

A double cd?
Could anyone send me some information on what dj's are on it.
For as far as I know overhere in the Netherlands there was no double
cd released, only a normal cd with about 12 tracks on it.
I liked it a lot :o) so if there's a possibility to get more and more
of it, I'ld like to know about it.

Groeten,
Olaf.


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) AW: double cd?
Date: 17 Oct 1997 09:17:35 -0600 (MDT)


>> I bought the Hands on Yello double CD remix thingie, listened to it once
>> and gave it away.
>
> A double cd?
> Could anyone send me some information on what dj's are on it.

::: Yello ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Yello: Hands On Yello - The Updates
  [1995] remix compilation album

  ?xLP: 1995 GE (Urban/Motor Music GmbH; 527383-1) [box set]
  2xCD: 1995 GE (Urban/Motor Music GmbH; 527728-2)
    [CD1:]
      7:21    Live At The Roxy (ilsa gold's hands on yello - long version)
      6:31    Bostich (westbam's hands on yello - machine mix)
      7:29    L'Hotel (carl cox' hands on yello - long version)
     10:55    You Gotta Say Yes/Great Mission (j&s uff die 12-mix)
      5:51    Crash Dance (oliver lieb's hands on yello)
      5:34    I Love You (hardsequencer's hands on yello)
      9:03    Desire V2 (oliver lieb's hands on yello)
      4:24    Oh Yeah (plutone's hands on yello - short version)
    [CD2:]
      5:24    Dr. Van Steiner (cosmic baby's hands on yello - short version)
      7:42    Ciel Ouvert (jens's hands on yello - long version)
      5:45    La Habanera (carl craig's hands on yello)
      4:32    Vicious Games (the grid's hands on yello - ambient mix)
      6:00    Lost Again (moby's hands on yello)
     12:59    Excess (the orb's hands on yello - long version)

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From: Andre Seegers <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) GRID - 456
Date: 17 Oct 1997 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT)


hey all -

I have both Hands on Yello compilations - the first (Single CD) is
definitely better than the second (Double CD) - great to hear other
artists play Yello stuff.

Anyone checked out 456 by the GRID ??  As a matter of interest - what
other electronic/techno sort of bands do you guys listen to ??  The GRID
was a great discovery for me ... the only reason I bought the 456 CD was
due to the fact that they mentioned Dieter on the cover !!  Check it out
if you have the chance ... excellent stuff.  They have a W3 address too
... I can't remember it right now ...

To me Kraftwerk and Yello are the seminal bands for the whole
techno/ambient/electronic genre.  Any idea who was first or who influenced
whom - if at all ??

I would love to construct a sort of 'family tree' of this sort of music
including bands like Yello, Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, New Order, OMD.
Yaz(oo), Human League etc.  I'm sure I've missed out on a lot of other
German bands of this nature ... how about DAF ??

And one last thing - (yeah ... yeah ...) anyone else listen to Kruder and
Dorfmeister (sp ??)  this German (??) duo released a BRILLIANT 4 track EP
over a year ago ... and I hear tell they have just released an album ...

right - I had better stop this now ... this is after all a Y E L L O
mailing list ...

cheers,

Andre

PS - check out GRID - 'Electric Head' too ... mmmmmmmmmmm ...

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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 18 Oct 1997 17:05:41 +0100



    On 17th October A. Seegers wrote:
>>To me Kraftwerk and Yello are the seminal bands for the whole
techno/ambient/electronic genre.  Any idea who was first or who influenced
whom - if at all ??
I would love to construct a sort of 'family tree' of this sort of music
including bands like Yello, Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, New Order, OMD.
Yaz(oo), Human League etc.


I'm not to sure who 'did' influence whom, but being a bit of a die-hard
Yello fan myself, I do get defensive when Yello are thrown together in the
same 'bag' as the bands you've mentioned....(Come on....Depeche Mode??!!)
 It would be very interesting to find out *whether* Yello list members are
fans of Kraftwerk too. I'd lay fair bet that they aren't.  I have heard
some (although I own none) of their material, and to be honest (and I know
most of the list members will agree - I hope!) they are vastly *different*
to Yello in many respects. True, people who *are* fans of Yello, also just
happen to like  people like Jarre, Vangelis..etc, but this tends to throw
up images of once famous/naff eighties synth bands, who's music now sounds
dated at best, and is grinding to listen to... (sorry!), and Yello have
progressed and developed more than many (if not most) bands.  Where else do
you hear such talent? I class Yello in the same league as The Prodigy,
Chemical Brothers, and even The Future Sound Of London.

As for Hands On Yello: there is a cruel bit of irony in setting such a task
as remixing a Yello track. Basically: you can't. Unless you're Boris
yourself. The remixes of ' Vicious Games,' 'Ciel Ouvert,' 'Live at The
Roxy' (and even 'I Love You') all suffered, and fell into the myre of
trash, because the musicians who were invited to remix the tracks didn't
understand (or perhaps appreciate) the tracks' original intentions. I still
'cringe' when I  hear the opening to Cox's shrill 'L'Hotel' - Boris
wouldn't have allowed such blandness.
    So, on the one hand, (if perhaps superficially) the guest DJ's were asked
to "push Yello's music into the new decade/millenium, with all their
limitless talent." The result, however, was a collection of half-baked,
half-hearted collection of awkward tracks that I cannot imagine anyone
enjoying listening or even dancing to.
    The difficulty in remixing some of their music comes from their sense of
timing - certain sounds in a Yello track can only appear at certain times,
with all the layers that Boris places down building up to or anticipating
drama/comedy/tension..(if you disagree, can someone explain why nothing!
was remixed from 'Baby' or 'Zebra?' Rubberbandman may have made an
excellent remix, but it would have had to have been done with some thought.
With 'Hands On Yello' we were subjected to the worst side of today's dance
music -effortless, unimaginative, (not even ironic) and worst of all -
unlistenable.

Yello's big mistakes:

Yello's first mistake: Having connections with the film 'Adventures of Ford
Fairlane'
Yello's second mistake:    Releasing 'Essential Yello' ( the Yello story isn't
finished yet)
Yello's third mistake:Releasing 'Hands On Yello' (won them no fans)


*However - hats off to Westbam for their excellent 'Bostich,' (their own
remixes were cool too.)

Please e-mail your abuse/comments, (my opinions are 'correct' and not open
to debate or subjectivity.......)

All the best,

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From: [e-mail] (Jan Ove Furesund)
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 19 Oct 1997 00:39:59 GMT


>I'm not to sure who 'did' influence whom, but being a bit of a die-hard
>Yello fan myself, I do get defensive when Yello are thrown together in =
the
>same 'bag' as the bands you've mentioned....(Come on....Depeche =
Mode??!!)=20
> It would be very interesting to find out *whether* Yello list members =
are
>fans of Kraftwerk too. I'd lay fair bet that they aren't.  I have heard
>some (although I own none) of their material, and to be honest (and I =
know
>most of the list members will agree - I hope!) they are vastly =
*different*
>to Yello in many respects. True, people who *are* fans of Yello, also =
just
>happen to like  people like Jarre, Vangelis..etc, but this tends to =
throw
>up images of once famous/naff eighties synth bands, who's music now =
sounds
>dated at best, and is grinding to listen to... (sorry!), and Yello have
>progressed and developed more than many (if not most) bands.

I am a huge Kraftwerk fan and do consider them to be my favorite over
Yello. I think kw's music is/was much more ahead of their time than
Yello's. The last cd's from Yello hasn't really brought in much more
new musical thoughts. Though they are good they really doesn't blow
you away like for instance Chemical Brothers Loops of fury cd-single
or Fatboy Slim, speedy J etc.  I like it when an artist releases new
stuff that is not so easily accessible at first. That hopefully means
the music has developed from their last work and you need some time to
get into their new style.

Well, that was just my late night thoughts on this very quiet list!
What about the rest of you? Do you like Kraftwerk too? I've always
thought that if you like Yello you will have to like Kraftwerk!

BTW: In a poll (survey) on the Kraftwerk mailing list some months ago
Depeche Mode was voted as #1 band after Kraftwerk. I am not so into
them but do like their latest CD.
Jan Ove Furesund=20
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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 19 Oct 1997 19:05:16 +0300


Well, Krafwerk was not that ahead of their time. There were many
electronic musicians at the time. But surely they did something new
which made them special.

I'm not sure if either Kraftwerk or Yello are that special for the big
audience. But both are special for people who are interested in technology
of music --- but surely Yello is much less known than Kraftwerk.

When Yello's first album come out, some reviewer kept Yello just as clone
of Brian Eno. I don't know how clone Yello were because, if I remember
correctly, Brian Eno's music makes me sick. Just give me a pointer to best
Brian Eno's Yello like music and I may even compare them.


>I would love to construct a sort of 'family tree' of this sort of music
>including bands like Yello, Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, New Order, OMD.
>Yaz(oo), Human League etc.

Yes if we compare the hit songs which made people to dance. Yello also had
even more: some songs are just grazy or fun, or selfmade remixes which
sometimes has additional material compared to original. I don't know
about those other bands that much; perhaps Depeche Mode had something
experimental too but not others.

It was early '80 when the first sampling synth Fairlight came out. Also
a popular drum machine Linn Drum perhaps came out at the same time.
Many used those exactly sounding drum sounds too, but Yello also used
much the sound effects and made their own sounds.

>I class Yello in the same league as The Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, and
>even The Future Sound Of London.

Har har. Just kidding? I had some prodigy mp3 files and listened their
technique. Eventually the songs were quite boring sounding that I throw
the mp3 files out. The Lego building technique is used nowadays by
Prodigy and by Yello too: make soundloops with effects and put them to
their correct places. But the complexity of the arrangement is bigger
in Yello songs.


>as remixing a Yello track. Basically: you can't. Unless you're Boris
>yourself.

Right. The complexity of the remixes are greater in Boris's songs. Also,
Boris practically never use very simple effects like the "n-n-nineteen".

>timing - certain sounds in a Yello track can only appear at certain times,

Yep. In over 8 minute Jungle Bill remixes, only at one place you hear
some short melody or sound.

>was remixed from 'Baby' or 'Zebra?' Rubberbandman may have made an
>excellent remix, but it would have had to have been done with some thought.

There are extended version and rubberremix, both by Boris.


>Yello's first mistake: Having connections with the film 'Adventures of Ford
>Fairlane'

Could you explane? In the film soundtrack, there are quite good Yello
material --- pre-Baby or such. The soundtrack-CD song Unbelievable is not
that bad either as the first impression did indicate a few years ago here
in the mailing list.

>Yello's second mistake:    Releasing 'Essential Yello' (the Yello story
>isn't finished yet)

The CD contains a few rare versions of the songs. Very good though.

>Yello's third mistake:Releasing 'Hands On Yello' (won them no fans)
>*However - hats off to Westbam for their excellent 'Bostich,' (their own
>remixes were cool too.)

Could somebody make mp3 out of Westbam's Bostich? 128 kbps and stereo (not
joint-stereo). Wanna hear.

Juhana


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 19 Oct 1997 14:32:39 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-10-18 12:12:00 EDT, you write:

<< Where else do
 you hear such talent? I class Yello in the same league as The Prodigy,
 Chemical Brothers, and even The Future Sound Of London. >>

are you insane?

Julz


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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) re: hands on yello
Date: 19 Oct 1997 21:33:52 +0000


>  It would be very interesting to find out *whether* Yello list members are
> fans of Kraftwerk too. I'd lay fair bet that they aren't.  I have heard
> some (although I own none) of their material, and to be honest (and I know
> most of the list members will agree - I hope!) they are vastly *different*
> to Yello in many respects.

Sorry, but I've always liked Kraftwerk. Sure, their sound (at least
concerning the tracks I know) is very electronic and maybe misses
some kind of warmth (they're indeed very different in many ways from
Yello), but I like it (I have a very broad taste in music).
Still I appreciate Yello much much more.


> The remixes of ' Vicious Games,' 'Ciel Ouvert,' 'Live at The
> Roxy' (and even 'I Love You') all suffered, and fell into the myre of
> trash, because the musicians who were invited to remix the tracks didn't
> understand (or perhaps appreciate) the tracks' original intentions. I still
> 'cringe' when I  hear the opening to Cox's shrill 'L'Hotel' - Boris
> wouldn't have allowed such blandness.

In this part you mention two of the songs from hands on Yello I like
the most, "Ciel Ouvert" and "L'Hotel". I don't know if you expected
typical Yello-songs on the cd, but that would be a bit unfair towards
the artists involved in the project. If the meaning of the cd was to
make it a 100% Yello, Boris should have done it himself. Remixing is
receiving a package of sounds and melodies and building your own
version of the song (which you listen to in purpose to get influenced
by it). There are no further rules. It's your interpretation. Whether
it's the same as the original artists (and what genius could whitout
asking (and still) ever know what their intention was) doesn't matter.
It's quite similar to art.
When you're not into house-music I can imagine you don't really like
the sound of it. But when you do, like me, the cd's a great combination
of two great styles.

As for why nothing was remixed from "Baby" or "Zebra", there might be
a very simple explanation. Maybe none of the artists favourite
tracks were on one of those two cd's. Mine's not.

As an extra comment I'ld like to say that I think there's being put too
much stress on the technical side of creating music (and then I
don't mean the equipment of course).
In life, I think, the process is the most important
part to whatever happens, except some areas. Music (maybe I'ld boldly
dare to state entertainment in general) is one of those areas in which I
would place the result over the process. For me the important part is
what gets blown out of my speakers. The sounds that reach my eardrums
are more important then the way they were created and played. Maybe
strange for someone who spends whole days behind a synthesizer and a
computer trying to build music from sounds himself. It's not that I don't
admire people who can be called virtuoso and that I don't respect
what they can do. On the contrary, I can get very jealous. But it
just doesn't say anything about the quality of the music. The only thing
that counts then is what you do with the sound that's being brought
to you.
I've had this discussion many times in Dutch and I must admit it's a
bit hard to express myself to the fullness of what I have to say on
the subject in English. I'll be glad to explain myself more
extensively if desired.

> (my opinions are 'correct' and not open to debate or subjectivity.......)

Does this mean you think you're opinion is the absolute truth or is
it just that we'll never be able to convince you of the opposite?

> James    [e-mail]

Groeten,
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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Art of Noise
Date: 19 Oct 1997 21:36:23 +0000


Typing my precious message, I was just wondering if there's anyone
with a special interest in the Art of Noise on the list.
I never hear that name when Yello is being compared to another
project.

Groeten,
Olaf.


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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) previous
Date: 19 Oct 1997 21:51:03 +0000


P.S.

Normally I wouldn't have any problem with a typing error (for I
probably make a lot lot of them), but in my message on the Art of
Noise I typed '...my precious message...' instead of '...my
previous...' and that looks very arrogant I think.
Therefor this small p.s.

Sorry,
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From: Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 19 Oct 1997 17:02:07 -0500 (CDT)


On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Jan Ove Furesund wrote:

> I am a huge Kraftwerk fan and do consider them to be my favorite over
> Yello. I think kw's music is/was much more ahead of their time than
> Yello's.

Kraftwerk also started significantly earlier.

While the two bands seem similar based on the type of equipment they use,
Kraftwerk and Yello are about as much the same as these two and Throbbing
Gristle or Cabaret Voltaire.  That is, the tools may be similar but the
end goal is very different.  Kraftwerk seemed to be going for a very
self-limited, minimal, cerebral sound, and a strong man/machine angle (as
on the similarly-titled album).  Yello were going for a maximal, textured
sound, with a great deal of intelligent humor (even the belching noises on
_You Gotta Say Yes..._)

> BTW: In a poll (survey) on the Kraftwerk mailing list some months ago
> Depeche Mode was voted as #1 band after Kraftwerk. I am not so into
> them but do like their latest CD.

I recommend _Black Celebration_ to anyone who has not heard it.  A bit
dark and morose, but I think the writing is M.L.Gore at his peak.  _Some
Great Reward_ is not quite as coherent as an album, but the individual
songs are very strong.  _Violator_ is good for the new-model DM.  The new
album lacks personality, as they've lost their main sound-sculptor.  Apart
from the singles, which are quite strong, the album as a whole did little
for me.  (Not as bad as The Cure's last LP though!)

--Mark

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From: "Mr. Barry" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(yello) Art of Noise
Date: 19 Oct 1997 16:30:04 -0600


At 9:36 PM +0000 10/19/97, Minstrel Arts is rumored to have typed:

>Typing my precious message, I was just wondering if there's anyone
>with a special interest in the Art of Noise on the list.
>I never hear that name when Yello is being compared to another
>project.


I worship at the altar of AON! :)  Their sound totally transformed my
tastes in music, which were pretty blah before I heard them...  Wish they'd
get back together and do something new, though J.J. and Anne seem to be
doing well on their own.  Ah, memories...



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From: [e-mail] (Craig Hull)
Subject: Re: (yello) re: hands on yello
Date: 20 Oct 1997 10:18:50 +1000


>In this part you mention two of the songs from hands on Yello I like
>the most, "Ciel Ouvert" and "L'Hotel". I don't know if you expected
>typical Yello-songs on the cd, but that would be a bit unfair towards
>the artists involved in the project. If the meaning of the cd was to
>make it a 100% Yello, Boris should have done it himself. [rest snipped]

I agree with most of what Olaf has said. I would just add that artists
probably do tribute or remix compilations with the intention of introducing
potentially new audiences to their music. Therefore there is an incentive
to put their own style to the song, to help the audience identify their
music.

I actually quite like the "Hands on Yello" cd. Especially the "Dr Van
Steiner" and "You Got to Yes to Another Excess" remixes, but I think most
of the artists did a good job. For me, it's just another angle from which
to enjoy Yello music.


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From: Mark Pulley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(yello) Art of Noise
Date: 20 Oct 1997 10:14:54 +1000


At 16:30 19/10/97 -0600, you wrote:
>At 9:36 PM +0000 10/19/97, Minstrel Arts is rumored to have typed:
>>Typing my precious message, I was just wondering if there's anyone
>>with a special interest in the Art of Noise on the list.
>I worship at the altar of AON! :)  Their sound totally transformed my
>tastes in music, which were pretty blah before I heard them...  Wish they'd
>get back together and do something new...

Well, it's just as well there's a *new* AON coming out soon. (loud cheers),
but JJ isn't involved. Anne Dudley, Trevor Horn and Lol Creme are.
(see <http://www.lolster.com/lolcurrentproject.html> for details)
(All I need now is an obligatory Yello reference...) :)

Mark

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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello/AON
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:21:34 +0100



>On 19/10/97 Minstrel Arts wrote:
I don't know if you expected typical Yello-songs on the cd, but that would
be a bit unfair towards the artists involved in the project.

I don't know - I agree with Juhana in that the complexity of music was more
prevelant in Boris' mixes.
I have no idea how popular 'Hands On' was with Yello fans, - but can we
really, honestly say that the remixers involved in the project wrote to
their full potential? Of course there aren't any rules in remixing,
but, in light of the comments made by the DJ's in the CD booklet (which
ranged from sheer admiration of Yello, to simple acknowledgement of their
influence) *some* of the tracks were made on a whim, and perhaps not fully
thought out.

> I'd like to say that I think there's being put too
much stress on the technical side of creating music (and then I
don't mean the equipment of course).

Yes. Perhaps this is why we've rarely heard Boris' descriptions of the
technical aspects of his work -
he's a musician who knows what sounds to make on the track, and this comes
over more, than a pre-occupation with buying state-of-the-art technology or
whatever.
(Incidentally, I've noticed that so many bands pre-occupy themselves with
buying equipment with the right name or quality, and as Anne Dudley said in
one of her interviews - "this is a recipe for disaster."
The ideas and vision need to exist in the first place - otherwise the music
is nothing.)

 >I was just wondering if there's anyone
with a special interest in the Art of Noise on the list.

 I thought they started to produce excellent stuff post-'Who's afraid
of...'. I wasn't to sure about
their 'ambient collection' though. (However, check out 'A Nation
Rejects..') Dudley's 'Ancient and Modern.'
- I have mixed opinions on.

>As for why nothing was remixed from "Baby" or "Zebra", there might be
a very simple explanation. Maybe none of the artists favourite
tracks were on one of those two cd's. Mine's not.

Hang on. I think we should do a survey to find out whether there really are
two groups of Yello fans on the list.
I have a suspicion that we have old/new fans who 'seem' to belong to either
the '80-'85 or '86-'97 era here.
Is it true that many of the fans in the early years or doubtful over music
post 1986?
For me, The Race latched me onto Yello, and while their early music was
full of energy and ideas, if Boris had had the same technology in 1997,
that he had in 1979, we would have had some music to listen to.

Regards,

James    [e-mail]


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From: Andre Seegers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 20 Oct 1997 08:03:25 -0700 (PDT)



On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, James Gillett wrote:

> I'm not to sure who 'did' influence whom, but being a bit of a die-hard
> Yello fan myself, I do get defensive when Yello are thrown together in the
> same 'bag' as the bands you've mentioned....(Come on....Depeche Mode??!!)

yup - Depeche Mode !!!  Especially the 'Vince Clarke Years' for me -
"Speak and Spell" is as essential to my survival as "Solid Pleasure", the
last good DM album was Violator ...

> happen to like  people like Jarre, Vangelis..etc, but this tends to throw
> up images of once famous/naff eighties synth bands, who's music now sounds
> dated at best, and is grinding to listen to... (sorry!), and Yello have

Jarre and Vangelis are sort of on the same page as Kenny G as far as
I am concerned ...  :)  (Andre dons flame retardant underwear and exits
stage left ...)

> progressed and developed more than many (if not most) bands.  Where else do
> you hear such talent? I class Yello in the same league as The Prodigy,
> Chemical Brothers, and even The Future Sound Of London.
>

I dunno ... I find myself getting less and less excited about new bands
like the ones you mention above ... in NO WAY do these three even come
close to Yello, (not that Yello is/are god ...).  The output of bands like
these is patchy at best.  I can put on a Yello (or Depeche Mode album for
that matter) and listen to the WHOLE THING !!!  Today, when listening to
'new bands', I prefer to listen to Carl Cox or other DJ's out there mixing
and giving their spin on new stuff ... I guess I'm getting old ... hey ho
... listening to DJ's is pretty much how I'm getting into some new music
... they 'got me into' Leftfield and Underworld ...

> With 'Hands On Yello' we were subjected to the worst side of today's dance
> music -effortless, unimaginative, (not even ironic) and worst of all -
> unlistenable.
>
I still listen to 'Hands On ...' more than Prodigy, FSOL etc ... I guess
I should file them under 'Effortless, Unimaginative and Unlistenable'

> Please e-mail your abuse/comments, (my opinions are 'correct' and not open
> to debate or subjectivity.......)
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From: Andre Seegers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 20 Oct 1997 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Juhana K Kouhia wrote:

> When Yello's first album come out, some reviewer kept Yello just as clone
> of Brian Eno. I don't know how clone Yello were because, if I remember
> correctly, Brian Eno's music makes me sick. Just give me a pointer to best
> Brian Eno's Yello like music and I may even compare them.
>

Check out a compilation of film scores called 'Passengers' some excellent
stuff.  Don't know much about Eno - but LOVE what he did for Talking
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From: Andre Seegers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 20 Oct 1997 08:31:35 -0700 (PDT)



On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Mark Kolmar wrote:

> While the two bands seem similar based on the type of equipment they use,
> Kraftwerk and Yello are about as much the same as these two and Throbbing
> Gristle or Cabaret Voltaire.  That is, the tools may be similar but the
> end goal is very different.  Kraftwerk seemed to be going for a very
> self-limited, minimal, cerebral sound, and a strong man/machine angle (as
> on the similarly-titled album).  Yello were going for a maximal, textured
> sound, with a great deal of intelligent humor (even the belching noises on
> _You Gotta Say Yes..._)
>
(Insert picture of Mark hitting a nail on the head ...)  Mark - how long
were Kraftwerk around before Yello came on the scene ??

> for me.  (Not as bad as The Cure's last LP though!)
>
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From: Mark Kolmar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 20 Oct 1997 12:24:06 -0500 (CDT)


> how long
> were Kraftwerk around before Yello came on the scene ??

Kraftwerk got started in the early 70s.

> yup - I hear you ... you listened to the new New Order single ??

That's not new material, but rather a live recording which contains the
seeds of "Blue Monday" and _Power, Corruption and Lies_.

--Mark



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Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 20 Oct 1997 15:22:59 -0400 (EDT)


I am going to touch on a few points that have been unearthed in the last few
replies:

Brain Eno's major contibution to date has been with Roxy Music who are in my
opinion forerunners to the psuedo-passion pomp of Duran Duran and Depeche
Mode. He also was producer of the major label debut LP's by both Devo & the
B-52's. I have found the bulk of his solo work to be beyond my comprehension.

Personally I put Boris in the category of oft misundertood musical genius'
like Todd Rundgren and Prince.

Forerunners or not- Kraftwerk lacks "soul" which some may interpret  as
warmth. Art of Noise might be deemed the logical connection between K'werk &
Yello.

To look into the history of synthesizers in music will inevitably lead to
Raymond Scott-another musical genius who was a composer of "cartoon music" in
the 1930's.
From the liner notes of  The Music Of Raymond Scott: "In 1963, Scott recorded
3 volumes of synthesized lullabyes entitled 'Soothing Sounds For
Baby'...Kraftwerk for Kiddies." Note: these recordings were made on machines
he designed & assembled.

All being entitled to their own opinions, I'd like to state that comparing an
artist or group whose combined recorded output amounts to a day or two in the
recording life of the other is shortsided.

Back to the point that started this entire controversy/discussion: I doubt
most fans passionate about a particular artist enjoyed the "Tribute" records
that have found their way into record stores lately. I would actually welcome
versions of Yello songs recorded by "bands". I have a friend that conducts a
high-school marching band that tired long ago of me trying to get him to have
the band perform The Race. Not an original concept I know as with the
Tusk/Fleetwood Mac/USC marching band effort.



Regards, Fred

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From: Andre Seegers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:42:57 -0700 (PDT)



> Back to the point that started this entire controversy/discussion: I doubt
> most fans passionate about a particular artist enjoyed the "Tribute" records

True - some tributes are better than others ... any idea how this
worked ??  Were Yello involved with the selection of the tracks for the
compilation ??  Did they have a hand in selecting the artists ??  Its been
a long time since I read the 'liner notes' on the CD.




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From: "Chris Norton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands On Yello - A reflection
Date: 21 Oct 1997 07:57:35 EST



>On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Juhana K Kouhia wrote:
>
>> When Yello's first album come out, some reviewer kept Yello just as
clone
>> of Brian Eno. I don't know how clone Yello were because, if I
remember
>> correctly, Brian Eno's music makes me sick. Just give me a pointer to
best
>> Brian Eno's Yello like music and I may even compare them.
>>
>
>Check out a compilation of film scores called 'Passengers' some
excellent
>stuff.  Don't know much about Eno - but LOVE what he did for Talking
>Heads/U2 etc ...
>

Yello fans may find that the Eno material potentially most to their
liking is My Life in the Bush of Ghosts (collaboration with David Byrne
of Talking Heads circa '82-'83, dominantly electrofunk played with lots
of samples and found objects), and Nerve Net (circa '94 - generally very
rhythmic and hypnotic without being too minimal).  Personally I also
enjoy his experimental work with Robert Fripp, especially (No
Pussyfooting) from the early 1970s; but it's a far cry from Yello.  (And
this is a Yello list, isn't it?)

A few quick thoughts on Hands On Yello - I agree that generally the
interpretations do not live up to the originals, although I find some
quite interesting.  However, some friends of my brothers in their early
20s heard HOY and it interested them in finding out more about the
original music.  One asset of albums such as this is that by giving
Yello's music more contemporary appeal, it may generate interest amongst
those who never heard it before.

My reading of the track notes on the album suggests that Boris and
Dieter collaborated with at least some of the artists, giving them
material which did not make the final cut of many of the original tracks
(eg Dr Van Steiner).

And for all those who don't like it, there's always your local
second-hand shop, where you can trade it for more of the original.


Chris Norton
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From: [e-mail] (Bekaert.T)
Subject: (yello) What makes me tick
Date: 20 Oct 1997 13:47:00 +0200




cc:

PROLOG
Some people are trying to compare two things without really explaining
the comparisons and differences. It is said that Yello and Kraftwerk
both started a part of techno; that they did this at the same time and
that one of them is more popular than the other. At this time I am 25
so this must be seen from the point of view of somebody who was only 7
in 1979. My special year concerning music was 1984. This is the time
of the Eurithmics, of Genesis, Prince, Micheal Jackson and so on. This
was also the time of the first personal computer. At that time the
Amiga was the only thing real amateurs could get there hands on and
analog processing was still the main way to create weird sounds. At
that time, New Wave was also the thing although I was not old enough
and I always hated this type of music. If you would have asked around
at that time, Kraftwerk was without a doubt the most popular and known
techno group of both. I didn't like their style and started listening
to the Art Of Noise. This group did something weird and as in other
things, it takes some time to accept this approach. I can not really
see this as techno compared to the other parts of music that are
covered by this flag. Therefore I would rather describe it as funny
music. Some time later, I was introduced to Yello, the 12" remake of
Bostich. This was weird. This can be called mastertechno because their
sound was not just beat, beat, beat,..... they really made a symphony
out of it. What makes good music? Good music is when there are so many
different parts in one piece of it and so many feelings around it that
you can not describe the song, sound and feeling without spending
hours. Just think about your feelings about Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen).
Everybody has heard it and everybody who likes or hates it, has
another reason why. That is also why so many real Yello lovers laugh
at J.M. Jarre. Oh Yes, I have even 2 CD's from him but I can say my
father bought them. Jarre never went a lot further than the limited
possibilities of natural instruments and synthesysers. Here we have
somebody who can play the piano but does not go as far as creating
sound without thinking instruments. Another better experiment is of
the hands of Isao Tomita. This little Japanese guy (smaller than
Prince) has spent a lot of time playing with REAL analog tunemachines
to remix some of his favourite classical music. Most of his work is
only to be found through Japanese import. Please do not describe his
work as techno, rather as electronic classic. This information is just
to describe where the differences in quality and style can be found
between musical artists. BTW, I only ever heard "People are People"
from Depeche Mode and can tell you I am rather bored of it (although I
have the 12"Maxi).

EPILOG
Yello is at this time the most famous group of the ones described
above.
Kraftwerk does something else for another reason.
The Art of Noise should come back soon or they should all die in 1997
next to all the other celebs.
I didn't hear from Jarre since a long time
Vangelis tries as hard as Yello but his music is too difficult
Boris likes AON and E. Morricone and he can't try to deny it.
I've told 10% of what i would have liked to have said.


P.S. I'd like some response although i didn't step on that many toes
P.P.S. Don't respond to my spelling please
P.P.P.S Via Russian Black Market, I got this CD-ROM with Yello info
and songs. Does this also exist on an official bases? (1997)



Read Ya.                      Tom Bekaert
                              Belgium


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From: Davy =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E4yer?=  <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) more Art of Noise
Date: 19 Oct 1997 19:54:25 -0500


First of all, this isn't going to turn into an Art Of Noise discussion list...

...but... having never heard any of their music before, I was curious about
AON after they were mentioned a few times on this list.  I found a great
page about them, complete with several Real Audio clips.  Check it out at:

    http://www.discoveryrec.com/artists/aon/

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) What makes me tick
Date: 21 Oct 1997 09:28:18 +0200


Hi Tom!

    >Some people are trying to compare two things without really
explaining
    >the comparisons and differences. It is said that Yello and
Kraftwerk
    >both started a part of techno; that they did this at the same
time and
    >that one of them is more popular than the other.

Well I believe that Ralf and Florian started working together in the
late sixties and as Kraftwerk in the beginning of the seventies while
Yello started in the late seventies. But I believe that they both
contributed tremendesly to what one a bit careless could call techno
(and not only to techno). Like two different sides of a coin.

    >Some time later, I was introduced to Yello, the 12" remake of
    >Bostich. This was weird. This can be called mastertechno
because their
    >sound was not just beat, beat, beat,..... they really made a
symphony
    >out of it.

This is a pretty good description. Kraftwerk is quite minimalistic while
Yello is more "bombastic" in a good sense.

    >What makes good music? Good music is when there are so many
    >different parts in one piece of it and so many feelings around
it that
    >you can not describe the song, sound and feeling without
spending
    >hours.

Sorry but I don't agree. Good music is a pure personal subjective
opinion. It's in the ear of the listener.

    >That is also why so many real Yello lovers laugh at J.M. Jarre.


Couldn't agree more.

    >P.P.P.S Via Russian Black Market, I got this CD-ROM with Yello
info
    >and songs. Does this also exist on an official bases? (1997)

Now this is interesting. Please tell me more about this CD-ROM.

Regards
Eric




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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Elevator Music
Date: 21 Oct 1997 12:07:55 +0100


> Art of Noise might be deemed the logical connection between K'werk &
Yello.

Right. Maybe we should expand on this. Many of AON's samples are 'pure' on
their recordings.. e.g.
the sounds of voices, full phrases from one instrument, etc. - with Yello,
Boris seems to consciously
arrange sounds as to give the appearance of a foreground and background.
One impression I get
is that Boris has managed to totally control both these environments,
distorting or enhancing the clarity
of a sound at his discretion.

>One asset of albums such as this is that by giving
Yello's music more contemporary appeal, it may generate interest amongst
those who never heard it before.

Yes, I agree - however,  when a band goes through this kind of phase -
isn't it another
case of the lack of your  'initial' popularity being accounted for? Just
like 'The New Mix...', 'Hands On Yello', will have no doubt gained
attention from a younger audience. Maybe this will give the music one
initial kick, but just like 'One Second' after 'New Mix' - 'Pocket
Universe' may have struggled to really
get the audience it deserved. I know that Yello themselves appear to be
against marketing and hard
selling, but it makes one feel that they should forget about their
pre-conceptions, and just for once, go for an *all* out marketing
spree..... posters, mugs, pens, T-Shirts,....(hey....and where's this
movie..?!)


>Well, I belong to the third group - those who like
big cheesy grin> ALL OF IT! </big cheesy grin>

Naa way. That's not humanly possible, how can you like *all* of it? Then
again.....


>That is also why so many real Yello lovers laugh
at J.M. Jarre. Oh Yes, I have even 2 CD's from him but I can say my
father bought them.

Aah. The old excuse for "why you own a Jarre CD," - don't be afraid to
admit your true feelings. He's crap.

>Vangelis tries as hard as Yello but his music is too difficult

What do you mean by his music being too difficult? In 1997, you could get
away with classing him
under 'easy listening' or perhaps even 'lift music.' One reoccuring trend
seems to be that he works intially
on one or two strong tracks for an album, (1492 - Conquest Of Paradise),
and lets the side down with the
rest of the album. Hence, Vangelis is now into his umpteenth album, - with
only the title/main tracks
really standing the test of time.

>Kraftwerk is quite minimalistic while
Yello is more "bombastic" in a good sense.

'Minimalistic style' seems to follow the 'fully textured' sound with Yello
- and vice versa. The best
example of this was '95's 'Tremendous Pain (Suite 904).' This was *hard*,
and quite sobering (judging
by a look at the list archives), however it was needed. I got the
impression, that while tracks like, the Premix, 'Move Dance Be Born,' were
dance, Boris probably regretted not putting something harder
onto the album. I still think Resistor's mix of T.Pain, is fabulous and
fast, and *that* should have been
the original. But even now, resistor isn't fast enough....( I *love* those
tribal breaks/chants that appear half way through the song, it really makes
the track worthwhile.)

 >Good music is a pure personal subjective
opinion. It's in the ear of the listener.

Yes. Minimalistic vs Bombastic. Effort vs effortless. The origins of
writing a song, how it's written -
it is all a game of chance and subjectivity whether people will like it.

>To look into the history of synthesizers in music will inevitably lead to
Raymond Scott-another musical genius who was a composer of "cartoon music"
in
the 1930's.

Just as a note, I've  seen Yello's music described as 'plastic', 'rubbery'
and 'toy-town' from 3 seperate sources (perhaps a bit like their fans...
(only joking!)) I suppose you could argue that to some extent this is true,
but it undermines the serious side to Yello's stuff. However, I did find it
quite amusing when a magazine said, 'Resistor simply sounds like something
from 2 Unlimited.'

P.S. *Sorry J.M. Jarre & Vangelis fans.




































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From: RALF SCHADOWSKI <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) YELLO - CD-Listing?
Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:43:01 +0000 (GMT)


Hi Yello's!

Is there any listing available of ***all*** CD's (CD/M-CD/S-CD) of
Yello? Till now I've collected 25 CDs of YELLO, still searching for
unknown (to me) CD's...

Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Ralf Schadowski

Dipl.-Chem. Ralf Schadowski
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ang: (yello) GRID - 456
Date: 21 Oct 1997 16:19:56 +0100


And one last thing - (yeah ... yeah ...) anyone else listen to Kruder and
Dorfmeister (sp ??)  this German (??) duo released a BRILLIANT 4 track EP
over a year ago ... and I hear tell they have just released an album ...


Kruder and dorfmeister has made one of Depeche Modes new remixes on Useless=
!!=20
It's really good!

//Andreas Schuldt



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) MIME-version: 1.0
Date: 21 Oct 1997 16:42:29 +0100


>>new musical thoughts. Though they are good they really doesn't blow
>you away like for instance Chemical Brothers Loops of fury cd-single
>or Fatboy Slim, speedy J etc.  I like it when an artist releases new
>stuff that is not so easily accessible at first. That hopefully means
>the music has developed from their last work and you need some time to
>get into their new style.

>Well, that was just my late night thoughts on this very quiet list!
>What about the rest of you? Do you like Kraftwerk too? I've always
>thought that if you like Yello you will have to like Kraftwerk!"

>I agree! I also do a lot of listening to the newer music from Bristol and=20=
of=20
course >other places. I think U should try out Fatboy Slim, Monk & Canatell=
a,=20
Purple >Penguin, Portishead and others!!=20

These groups are today what Kraftwerk was in 1970 and Yello  in 1980!!
They are the "avantgarde",  "Underground" or experimental music of the nint=
ies!

Best Regards!

//Andreas


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) YELLO - CD-Listing?
Date: 21 Oct 1997 11:14:59 -0600 (MDT)


> Is there any listing available of ***all*** CD's (CD/M-CD/S-CD) of
> Yello?

As noted in every post to the list:

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From: [e-mail] (Bekaert.T)
Subject: (yello) CD-Rom
Date: 22 Oct 1997 08:31:00 +0200




cc:


I will try to reply to all the other people a bit later (sorry about
that) but because of some unnatural interrest, I looked over my
purchase a bit closer.
The CD-ROM looks so illegal, I believe there's no doubt that's just
what it is.
It has been made by "GSC Game world" under the group name "PC music"
There is NO info on it. Nothing else but the program and it's
elements.
These elements are the cover of six CD's and all the music. Consider
it as a 7,5 in 1 CD

Contents: "BABY", "One Second", "ZEBRA", "FLAG", 2LP in 1CD,
"Essential"

All the music is there.
The program to make it work is perfect and has been used for more than
just YELLO.
On request from people of YELLO I can always mail it to them as I
already have all the music on it via legal CD's.
It costed me 3$ in an official type of market in Moskow.
Don't think weird of me. I had to go to Russia and I'm not thinking of
ever going back.
After 850 years, I've never seen such a patched up city like Moscow.
It's even worse than Brussels.
Anyway, write ya later
Tom


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From: "Gene Tsygan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello CD-ROM
Date: 22 Oct 1997 11:50:17 -0400


Bootleg music CD-ROMs are very popular in Russia. They are illegal, but
copyright laws are not strictly enforced over there. Music on these CDs is
heavily compressed in MPEG format which impacts quality of sound. However
compressed music files use a fraction of a disk space, that's why it is
possible to put several albums plus lyrics on single CD. Of course, these
CDs can not be played on regular players, they require computer with MPEG
player software (which is usually included on the CD). I have J.M. Jarre and
Pink Floyd CD-ROMs from Russia and I think that they are almost useless,
because sound quality is much lower than what you would expect from CD, they
sound  like Real Audio at ISDN speed

Gene Tsygan, engineer
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From:    Jussi Salmi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello/AON
Date: 21 Oct 1997 01:25:33 +0300 (EET DST)


On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, James Gillett wrote:

> >As for why nothing was remixed from "Baby" or "Zebra", there might be
> a very simple explanation. Maybe none of the artists favourite
> tracks were on one of those two cd's. Mine's not.

> Hang on. I think we should do a survey to find out whether there really are
> two groups of Yello fans on the list.
> I have a suspicion that we have old/new fans who 'seem' to belong to either
> the '80-'85 or '86-'97 era here.
> Is it true that many of the fans in the early years or doubtful over music
> post 1986?
> For me, The Race latched me onto Yello, and while their early music was
> full of energy and ideas, if Boris had had the same technology in 1997,
> that he had in 1979, we would have had some music to listen to.

I agree, I'm an 'old' fan of Yello. That is very unfortunate for me,
because ever since I became a fan in about 1988, their every new album
has been a slight disappointment for me. If I was a 'new' fan, I would
have been a much happier person in the 90's.

Though, to be completely honest, recently I have to my own amazement
realized, that I actually like PU! Nowadays I think it is superior
to both Zebra and Baby, but still I think it loses out to pre-Baby
music.

Perhaps, the energy is creeping back into their music, and they'll
start the new millennium with a Big Bang!

Jussi Salmi  ---  [e-mail]
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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) CD-Rom
Date: 22 Oct 1997 20:53:53 +0300


>The CD-ROM looks so illegal,

So we guessed :-)

>Contents: "BABY", "One Second", "ZEBRA", "FLAG", 2LP in 1CD,
>"Essential"

All those in just one disc? Only music? Don't bother folks -- most
probably the audio is compressed with MPEG. But then there is this
program we know nothing about, it could be even worst than MPEG.

I hope to get a copy of the CD-ROM stuff on On Track CD single.
Okay, the large video files are not needed but somebody could
give us a peak for the other files, even it is just a readme file.

Juhana


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) kruder
Date: 22 Oct 1997 23:59:24 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-10-21 10:36:06 EDT, you write:

<< And one last thing - (yeah ... yeah ...) anyone else listen to Kruder and
 Dorfmeister (sp ??)  this German (??) duo released a BRILLIANT 4 track EP
 over a year ago ... and I hear tell they have just released an album ... >>

Love! their stuff its amazing and recomend the remix Cd that they did with K7
is exellent.  Also the Tosca side progect of Dorfmeister is exellent too.
Every thing they do is great quality stuff.                Julian


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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) Yello/AON
Date: 23 Oct 1997 09:24:59 +0200



> > Hang on. I think we should do a survey to find out whether there
> really are
> > two groups of Yello fans on the list.
> > I have a suspicion that we have old/new fans who 'seem' to belong to
> either
> > the '80-'85 or '86-'97 era here.
> > Is it true that many of the fans in the early years or doubtful over
> music
> > post 1986?
> > For me, The Race latched me onto Yello, and while their early music
> was
> > full of energy and ideas, if Boris had had the same technology in
> 1997,
> > that he had in 1979, we would have had some music to listen to.
>
I don't know, maybe. I like both their old stuff and new stuff. My
favourites are Stella, PU, Solid Pleasure and Baby. At any rate, I think
that the strength in the music of Yello is the fact that Boris is very
inventive when it comes to making new sounds and putting them together
in an interesting way. Any person could make a sound and use it in a
melody, but to me the sound making of Boris is like he makes a sound
that makes you think you know what it is but when you listen carfully to
it, it actually is something else. For me that gives the music an extre
dimension. The music almost always sounds like "a lot of fun" that puts
you in a good mood. When PU was released there was some talking on the
list that it lacked a lot of the humor from previous albums, and at that
time I agreed. But after listening to it a lot with headphones (and
without naturally) I must say that I somehow have changed my opinion a
bit. Their  is more humor in PU than I at first would give it credit
for.
How long have I been a fan? Since somewhere between -84 and -85.

Regards
Eric


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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:29:41 +0100
Date: 23 Oct 1997 15:30:27 -0600


On 23/10/97 Eric Schader wrote:

> but to me the sound making of Boris is like he makes a sound
that makes you think you know what it is but when you listen carfully to
it, it actually is something else. For me that gives the music an extra
dimension.

Yes. The samples used on 'The Race' for example (a combination of various
brass
sounds that Boris fused together (Re: Future Music Interview), Jungle Bill
& How How,
all give the impression that brass is being played, but listen to the
tracks, and it
is obvious you would never hear that sound played from any (one)
instrument.

>But after listening to it a lot with headphones (and
without naturally) I must say that I somehow have changed my opinion a
bit. Their  is more humor in PU than I at first would give it credit
for.

    There certainly is humour at work - but it's more hidden in PU. In 'More'
for example about two
thirds through the track - a 'spacey' sample is played (also appeared in
Jungle Bill remixes),
which just lightens the tone of 'More' for a second. However I think the
humour is more prevelant in
'On Track' - (incidentally has 'anyone' figured out what the lyrics are to
this?). You can't really label
Monolith as a comedy track. Sadly, the humour that we found in Baby has
more or less died out - but
there was a finite amount of time that Boris could incorporate
'raspberries' in his music.
    Anyway, I think we should focus our discussion on the next Yello work.
It's a shame that Yello
don't release music more often - even if it is to gain a bit of popular
success. I think perhaps, one major
mistake that they made was not marketing themselves properly. They had the
available talent, but didn't
communicate it well enough. In 1997, as opposed to 1979, you have to market
yourself if you are an artist. Hence, Yello have felt the pinch of 'not'
doing so - but this is just my humble opinion.

All the Best,

James    [e-mail]

P.S. The truth:- I'm beginning to think Yello aren't that talented. Maybe
I'm just another sad deluded Yello fan, who's been coaxed into thinking
they're good. Let's face it - they've never been 'that'
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) BGP - Boris Greetings Project
Date: 24 Oct 1997 19:11:24 +0100


Hi all!

Please send me your personal greetings
to Boris. I will then bring a print-out of all
greetings to him, as a gift from his fans.

My thought is for you to tell him what his
music has meant to you, I'm sure he will
appreciate this. Suggestions (like you want
to see them live or you want to have all rare
material on CD) is also an idea, but please
don't include any questions: it's obvious that
he will not be able to reply to any questions
indivudually. My interview is set for 10-14 Nov
and if you have any question(s) please send
them to me instead and I'll consider it for my
intreview.

I need your greetings before 6th of Nov.

Please write "BGP" in the subject line.
(Unless you have some questions, in which
case you write "Boris Q" in the subject line.)

Regards, JW





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From: [e-mail] (Bekaert.T)
Subject: (yello) CD-Rom and the other stuff
Date: 24 Oct 1997 08:51:00 +0200




cc:


* First of all. James, your fishing for a remark with that P.S. of
yours. Let's see how it turns out.

* CD: Also includes Pocket Universe (see previous mail) but this was
not written on the cover.
There is also an extra track on Flag called "Tied up in red". It's
another mix and i do not have it on vinyl.

How was it made?
- 7 WAV files. One for each CD. 44kHz, 4bit mono compressed WAV.
- 7 Tracklists (textfiles) to put on the screen and to link with
the...
- 7 Pointerlists which point to the adress where to look for the
beginning of a track.
- 7 Bitmaps, each time a picture of the original CD
- The program just has a nice background with some cubes with the text
Yello on it and on this
     the CD's to play. The rest is just a nice looking media player.

How does it sound?
Zebra, Flag and some others sound even worse than the original
( although the CD-quality from Zebra was already horrible).
Pocket Universe did not lose much in quality.
"Stalakdrama"'s scream is dead. The original is also dissapointingly
unclear but...

* To Eric:
- I'm not old enough nore interrested enough to know when Kraftwerk
started.
Thanks for the information anyway.
- Although good music might be a pure personal subjective opinion, if
somebody tells me he
likes something and when I ask him why, his answer is :"Well.....
euh,... just because" I tend to
compare this person with my 12 year old cousin listening to House
because euh... well... I donno.
The exchange of subjective oppinions can be a good thing, certainly
when what you are willing to
say is so abstract, you need ten minutes to describe it.

FOR EXAMPLE: Track 10 of PU. Start your engines, put a 750cc two
wheeling bomb under your legs
(Susuki, Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha) and speedwheel away on Silverstone
(or francoshamps).
You fly by the pits (wheely) while the accellerating sounds are coming
up, go through all corners
with " Got To (x5)" and with the scrambled voice, just think
stroboscopic ( Try the Monaco GP for this)
If your not going " Faster, Faster, just like a disaster", you'r not a
biker or you've already crashed at
the chicane. With headphones and a dark room it should work.

* To James:
- If YELLO is against marketing this makes it possible for us NOT to
have some people running
around saying they like YELLO but don't know why. I know a lot of
people who look to Eurosport
and like the music not knowing it's YELLO. "Oh Yeah" also did some
good.
- Jarre is Crap except for 15 seconds on one of the CD's. The other
one "En attendant Cousteau"
has two real tracks. The first is good if you really must have
something for the carnaval.
The other one is ideal if you want to fall asleep within 46 minutes.
If you don't say it's crap,
you still realise you've never played it more than twice.
- Vangelis is and has always been too difficult. 1492 was an
exception. All other music gives you
moodtrouble. You can't get the hang of feeling the music. Need more
explanation?
- See Eric. Resistor is fast enough and doesn't sound like 2
Unlimited. Final.

*To Chris:
- I've never heard "Hands on Yello" but if it can be compared to what
some people dit to the "Art of Noise"
after their demise, I do not want to hear it.
-> If we take some peoples music and put the best stuff first, at the
end, we are surprised what crap they also
made. Think about PRINCE. There's always a song you liked and another
one you find extremely dissapointing.
-> If you get used to the feeling of a song and hear the remix,
something of that feeling is taken away from you.
It's only when the remix and the original are on the same album, there
is nothing to worry about ( Tied up (in gear)).

Nothing for you this time Juhana

Read Ya                                                     Tom


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Good?
Date: 24 Oct 1997 15:17:44 -0400 (EDT)


The key point that has to be made when comparing Yello to any
other artist/group or genre is that Boris "makes" his samples. To
use the Lego analogy is cute and convenient  on the surface but
there are no easy pieces to assemble in his world; that is, not bits
that he hasn't had a hand in creating.

To be popular does not to be good in most circles. No doubt Yello
could have sold their soul to the devil or worse- to Disney and be on
more cereal boxes than Michael Jordan. Would that make them more
credible as artists? I point out the fine difference between "the masses"
and  "them asses".  I remember a vulgar statement seen on a t-shirt or
punk lp cover that said, "Eat shit- 50,000,000 flies can't all be wrong."

Pardon my slip.

Had they chosen to go the other route-seeking popularity as opposed
to the route they did choose, I for one would likely be digging through
the record bins for someone I could relate to.


Best, FG

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From: "Minstrel Arts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Art of Noise
Date: 24 Oct 1997 21:02:11 +0000



> Well, *I* like the Art of Noise.
>
> P.S. according to <http://www.lolster.com/lolcurrentproject.html>, there is
> a new Art of Noise album coming out soon!:

> The musical idea behind the album is to fuse the modern "drum and bass"
> rhythms coming out of London with adaptations of songs written by classical
> composer Claude Debussy at the turn of this century.

I listened to the album today... I didn't like it. They did a
very good job, but all the jungle-stuf (drum and bass, whatever) just
isn't my style.
The 'Hands On Yello' album is much more accessible and has a greater
diversity in style.

Groeten,
Olaf.


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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello
Date: 25 Oct 1997 13:30:41 +0100


On 24th October, Minstrel Arts wrote:
>I listened to the album today[Art Of Noise]... I didn't like it. They did
a very good job, but all the jungle-stuff
 (drum and bass, whatever) just isn't my style.
F. Griego wrote:
>To be popular does not to be good in most circles.

On this subject, I bought the CD by Roni Size yesterday: the guy who won
the Mercury Music
Prize here in the UK. He was relatively unheard of, compared to the other
nominees for the award, (Prodigy, Chemical Bros.) However, it's very
listenable, and full of the interest that you would expect, and I recommend
it to you. Also a [new?] bandcalled 'Juno Reactor' (there's quite a lot of
stuff about them on the web) feature some incredibly *Yelloish* tracks.
Check out 'Conga Fury' on their 'Bible
Of Dreams.'
I bet you Boris will probably cut up some drum and bass for the next yello
album. It's almost predictable isn't it? It's these little points that make
me wonder whether yello (as we have discussed before) are
following rather than 'leading' in the music world.


On 24th October T. Bekaert wrote:
>I'm not old enough nore interrested enough to know when Kraftwerk
started. Thanks for the information anyway.

I take it then, that you are not *old* enough to know about other
discretionary composers of the past.....people like Beethoven or Mozart for
example... Now they're so 'old'.. aren't they?.........

> Resistor is fast enough and doesn't sound like 2
Unlimited. (Final)*

I dunno. Perhaps it's because I am a musician myself, but when I listen to
'Resistor' (and I know a
lot of you will look in disbelief) it almost sounds a bit 'plodding.' -
it's already beginning to sound dated.
But this is purely my opinion. I entirely understand if you disagree. *The
remark made that it sounded like
'2 Unlimited' was made by in a music magazine review.

James    [e-mail]


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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Soundstation
Date: 25 Oct 1997 16:03:28 +0300


Hello. Months ago I downloaded the soundstation samples to my home for
making a better remix with Csound. Now I have found something interesting.
But I first describe what is the soundstation in case somebody don't know
about it. It is located at "http://www.yello.ch/soundstation".

You are controlling the mixer which has 8 tracks. Each track can play
a loop which is repeated endlessly. You can control track's playing volume
and put it on or off.

7 of 8 tracks are such that you may choose the played loop from three
possible loops. For example, one track is dedicated for vocal samples.
And so, there are 7x3 loop samples.

One track is dedicated for your own loop which you can make by using smaller
pattern samples. This pattern mixer has 7 channels. The pattern samples
can be put to 8 different places on the time axis. For each channel you
may choose the played pattern sample from three possible pattern samples.
Thus, there are 7x3 pattern samples available. You may also control the
amplitude of each channel.

When I tried the mixer, the whole system stopped when loops and pattern
samples were loaded. Thus, before doing anything else, you should put the
player on, click every pattern sample button, and click every loop button.
This loads all samples to your own computer, after which there are no delays
in operations.

Yes, the news: the mixer is missing one track dedicated for synth sounds,
and there are a few more pattern samples. You may look the missing samples
from "http://www.yello.ch/soundstation/loops" and
"http://www.yello.ch/soundstation/patterns/".

The missing samples are
  loops/yello_synth1.au
  loops/yello_synth2.au
  loops/yello_synth3.au
  patterns/kick4.au
  patterns/kick5.au
  patterns/cl_hihat4.au
  patterns/noise4.au
  patterns/blow1.au
  patterns/crash1.au
  patterns/o_hihat1.au
  patterns/o_hihat2.au
  patterns/vib1.au

Most less I understand why the synth sample track is missing. Perhaps
it is a mistage. I will mail to www.yello.ch maintainers about this.

I have put all samples to "ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/music/western/
Yello/samples/yellosoundstation.tar.gz". I also converted original 'au'
audiofiles to 16 bit 'wav' audiofiles but kept the original samplerates
because there I had no good samplerate converter around. Both 'au' and
'wav' files are included in this 1.2 Mbytes file. There is also mixer.html
file where from you may look what tracks contains what loop possibilities.

Happy remixing,

Juhana


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From: "Geir Hauso" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Yello
Date: 25 Oct 1997 15:04:14 +0200


Hello everbody fans of yello.

Some stuff for sale:

One second (1987) Cd 6=A3 (used)

You gotta say yes to another excess (1983) Cd 6=A3 (used)

Zebra (1994) Cd 6=A3 (used)

The new mix in one go (1986) Cd 6=A3 (used)

Stella (1985) Cd 6=A3 (used)

Baby (1991) Cd 6=A3 (used)

Flag (1988) Lp 15=A3

Of course we can change i`m interested in all Yello items.

Mail:([e-mail])


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From: Mark Pulley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Art of Noise and a bit of Yello
Date: 27 Oct 1997 15:23:33 +1100


At 21:02 24/10/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> P.S. according to <http://www.lolster.com/lolcurrentproject.html>, there is
>> a new Art of Noise album coming out soon!:
>I listened to the album today... I didn't like it. They did a
>very good job, but all the jungle-stuf (drum and bass, whatever) just
>isn't my style.

Are you talking about the remix album "Drum and Bass Collection"? This is
not the new album I was talking about, which to my knowledge hasn't been
released yet.

Obligatory Yello reference: I came across a recent interview with Dieter
about PU at <http://www.placebomag.com/interview.html>... unfortunately for
me, it's in French.

Mark

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From: Mark Pulley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Baker's Barn
Date: 27 Oct 1997 15:19:12 +1100


I recently got my grubby little paws on a copy of Carlos Peron's latest
album, "Baker's Barn". It is a soundtrack to the novel by Ady Henry Kiss.
The booklet helpfully tells you what page of the novel you should read
while listening to a particular track. Unfortunately that's no help to me
as I don't speak German... but strangely enough the voices in the
background of the music all seem to be in English. Well, there you go.
There is an interview with Mr Kiss at
<http://www.radio-ffn.de/gw/970101/moder06.html>.
Also <http://www.radio-ffn.de/gw/970122/moder07.html> has more information
on Baker's Barn. Unfortunately for me, these are in German.  These are
dated from January this year.
For those of you who have "Manhattan II" (another novel soundtrack released
in 1995), you will have some idea of what to expect. For those who don't...

Cover: (picture of cover is at <http://www.radio-ffn.de/gw/cd/cd33_28.html>)
Front cover has a picture of a woman's face, with her hair made from golden
threads eminating from a tube of toothpaste. If anyone can explain this to
me... The back cover of the CD and the back of the booklet feature Barbie
wearing chains. Does Carlos have something against her? (Carlos took the
photos.) In the middle of the booklet is a picture of sheep in a paddock,
with the text "Wenn ich nicht schlafen konnte" above it. (Translation,
anyone?) Above the text is an upside-down picture of the same paddock, but
not zoomed in as much. (I think it's the same picture, not a second picture
taken at the same location. For those who really wanted to know.)

Overall:
To me it is unlike anything Yello has done. Being a soundtrack it has no
songs (i.e. no-one sings), and plenty of atmospheric music. It had some
great tracks, but I felt it was let down by a couple of aimless tracks...
but this is a soundtrack, not a dance album.

System Of The Spear:
Begins with background noises and announcements "We've got plenty of time,
get ready...", before the music begins. Long notes over a bass line and
'popping' sounds. Then a bell repeatedly plays three descending notes.
(Think of the descending notes in "Moon Dog", just played on bells and with
three notes not four. Did that sentence make any sense?). Very atmospheric.
My favourite track.

Weekend Transit/Baker's Barn:
Begins with more ambient noise before a soft 'brushed snare drum' rhythm
begins. (?representing a very quiet train?).

Experimental Installation:
This track has lots of long loud noises. Doesn't seem to go anywhere. (It's
times like this I wish I had the novel...)

Soldiers On T.V. #1:
Sounds of marching, then a 'machine' rhythm begins (similar to the machine
sounds in Pink Floyd's "Welcome To The Machine").

Skench:
(Yes, that *is* a 'k' in the song title, not a 't'.) Second-favourite
track. Faintly in the background an African choir can be heard. A
reverberating bass line begins. Then the bass line proper begins (similar
rhythm and speed to the bass line in "Blue Green", but different notes)
over more long notes.=20

Ultimate Correction:
Some electronic screams, a series of electronic claps, some 'electronic'
sounds, then yet more sustained notes over a fast drum beat and semiquavers

Living On The Ground:
I'm not terribly fond of this track. There is an insistent scratching
rhythm with long notes over the top of it. At the start and finish there
are assorted screams, yells and the like.

Church Of Cosmatics:
This seems to be the token 'pop song' on the album. I like it, but there
seems to be something missing that I can't place. Maybe it's a bit too much
like a pop song for my tastes...? Oh well.

Adhesive Paste:
I don't know who Mr. Timothy Leary is, but this track is dedicated to his
memory.
The bass again reminded me of "Blue Green" (but the harmonies are different
again). I like this track also.

Breathing Amphibic Vehicles:
Sounds like... sounds like... um... a submarine? This track is mainly
sounds heard inside a submarine (or something similar), with a long
sustained note over the top. A couple of notes remind me of "Go To Hell"
(from "Impersonator 3").

Iron Bridge:
Lots of ambient sounds with some electronic sounds, but doesn't really go
anywhere.

Small:
Lots of long notes.

Soldiers On T.V. #2:
When I have some time, I'll record this backwards and listen to it, as
those sounds at the start definitely sound backwards to me. Some (forwards)
marching sounds also appear, and the "machine" noise makes a reappearance.=
=20

Baker's Barn (End Title):
A 32 note pattern is played on tubular bells and on the low notes of a
piano, followed by the same amount of time silence before the notes are
played again... and again... and again... for 9 minutes 20 seconds. In the
background is a slowly changing... um... background of long notes, sound
effects, etc. This description sound boring, but actually I think it (the
music, not my description) is very effective. It is the only piece to not
have a page reference, so I assume it would be played during the 'end
credits' (if books had them). As the booklet says, "close your eyes and
hear / schlie=DFe die Augen und h=F6re"

Well, there you have it. Now I'd better get back to study - exams begin in
two days... :-(

Mark

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From: Angstrom <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Old/New Yello fans
Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:14:24 +0100


I'm following the debate about Old/New Yello Fans, and my comment, as an
"Old" Yello fan, is that their first stuff was great at the time (and
still is) and their new stuff is just getting better or at least keeping
the same level of quality. It is sad to hear about people disliking PU,
Zebra and Baby, so sad. But of course everyone┤s right to their opinion.

About the comment that real Yello lovers laugh at Jean Michel Jarre i
can only laugh back at whoever said it. JMJ is just as fantastic as
Yello, but in his own way. That goes for Kraftwerk as well. Does anyone
know what Boris and Dieter think about the above mentioned?

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) CD-Rom and the other stuff
Date: 27 Oct 1997 16:30:38 +0100



> Hi Tom
>
> Thanks for the info about the CD-rom.
>
>
> >- See Eric. Resistor is fast enough and doesn't sound like 2
> >Unlimited. Final.
>
> Just for the facts. I've never stated this. Someone else made this
> quotation. Originaly it's from a music magazine review and personally
> I think it's a strange thing to compare Resistor and 2 Unlimited.
>
> >I tend to compare this person with my 12 year old cousin listening to
> House
> >because euh... well... I donno.
>
> Why does he have to explain it. If that's his opinion and the music
> makes him feel good, well... so what. If he can't explain why he likes
> it in a way that you can understand .....well. Could it bee that you
> two are looking at things from different angles that is the
> explenation. Is there, in your opinion, some sort of standard that
> says "If you can explain good music in this or that way, then I will
> considder it to be a good opinion".  And the rest is ignorance? or
> what? Why do one have to explain what good music is? A  discussion
> about how you apprehend (thinking of your example) the music can be
> very interesting but it doesn't have to have anything to do wether the
> music is good or not.
>
> Regards
> Eric
>
>


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From: "Bo Andersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) review - zebra
Date: 28 Oct 1997 12:16:45 +0100


I just found this review on www.cdnow.com, when looking for info on Zebra

New Musical Express 10/22/94, p.45:

6 - Good - "...A kind of B-52's sound that you're frightened to laugh
at...another interesting, ultimately hollow exercise from men with
one beady eye squinting at mainstream pop..."


Let's hope their children all get very small penises - including the girls


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From: "Bo Andersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Snowball
Date: 28 Oct 1997 12:02:06 +0100


Hi All,

I'm relatively new to this list, so here's my vital data.

I Discovered Yello in 1983, and has been a fan ever since. I've seen the
discussion about New Vs. Old fans, and I must say that it's not all of us
Oldies that can't appreciate the new stuff. I think all the albums are
great - I can't even name a track that I don't like. The cd that most often
finds it's way onto my cd-player, however is Baby. I can't get enough of
that one.

But enough about that.

I saw on the "of couse I'm lying" double-maxi thingie that there would be a
yello movie, called snowball. Did this project ever happen? Being in
Denmark - which is not a terribly yello friendly country, I have never been
able to find out.

Another thing I've been thinking about is whether it would be ok, moralwise,
to send samples of mixes and other stuff here. For instance I've got a vinyl
record with interviews and stuff that I could let you all hear, if you wish.
I thoght that if we MP3'd stuff and downsampled it a lot, nobody could argue
that it would be of a quality that would make people NOT buy the original.

-Appreciate you'r thoughts.

Bo


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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Zebra
Date: 28 Oct 1997 20:10:45 -0000


>>.A kind of B-52's sound that you're frightened to laugh
at...another interesting, ultimately hollow exercise from men with
one beady eye squinting at mainstream pop..."

    Yeah, I saw this one too. I don't understand why they described it as a
'B52's style.' I don't
think they could be any further from the truth. Infact this band bears
little, if any
similarity to Yello. "Hollow exercise?" - I doubt that. I think the
reviewer was perhaps new to the
techno field - as 'hollow' is often used to describe techno music, by
people who aren't fond of it.
    However, there is a point I'd like to make about 'Zebra' to the list: -
just to ask the question of
whether the album lived up to the expectations set out initially by 'Do It'
& 'How How.'? These two
singles were masterpieces, and the whole anticipation of the release of
Zebra was what made it in '94.
    However, in reality, the rest of the tracks (except perhaps Poom Shanka,
S.A.X, I'm in love), just
seemed already dated, and maybe a bit 80's (I'm sure that I've offended
someone here..).I felt a bit
dissapointed by 'The Premix'. 1) Because, probably like everyone else I
bought the How How single- I have the Premix now on 5 Cd's) 2)It wasn't the
hardest track in the world to make.

    >>I've seen the discussion about New Vs. Old fans, and I must say that
it's not all of us
Oldies that can't appreciate the new stuff.
    I've met loads of people who heard of/liked Yello in the early eighties,
but their interest in them
dwindled. I'd lay fair bet, that because Yello do have a broad range of
styles in their music, people simply
do not recognise them when they appear on the radio or whatever later on.
-This is probably the down side
to having such a varied style I suppose.


James    [e-mail]

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From: Martino Decarolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Re: Snowball
Date: 28 Oct 1997 22:00:44 +0100


"Bo Andersen" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I saw on the "of couse I'm lying" double-maxi thingie that there would be a
>yello movie, called snowball. Did this project ever happen?

Not yet; my last infos (taken some couple of weeks ago in a Swiss Magazine)
were the same I wrote on February 27th:

  According to an interview in the Swiss TV-magazine "TR7" (Nr.10/97), Dieters
  movie (ex-Lightmaker, ex-Once Upon A Dream, ex-Snowball) will be out in
  December 1997, most probably...


Let's be optimistic :-)

Regards, Martino

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From:    Juhana K Kouhia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Zebra
Date: 29 Oct 1997 17:41:31 +0200


>dissapointed by 'The Premix'. [ ... ] 2)It wasn't the hardest track in
>the world to make.

I were too disappointed by that song. Don't know exactly why. Perhaps it
just is not that good. But surely it is not an easiest track in the world
to make. My remix is done by How How samples found from one How How CD single
and follows exactly the same structure than what is in The Premix. I will
get a different sounding remix because the samples are a bit different,
I don't have advanced signal processors, have no knowledge to make similar
effects, for example.

Juhana

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From: "Blender" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Snowball
Date: 30 Oct 1997 09:38:35 +1300



>The cd that most often
>finds it's way onto my cd-player, however is Baby. I can't get enough of
>that one.

I agree, for when it first came out it lived in the changer in the car for 2
years!
None of the other yellos lived for that long in the car
Paul
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From: "James Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Zebra
Date: 29 Oct 1997 21:27:53 -0000


>>I were too disappointed by that song.[The Premix] Don't know exactly why.
Perhaps it
just is not that good.

I don't know really. Apart from being an average mix (remember, a lot of
artists at this time were doing
equally (if not more) sophisticated mixes, at this tempo, and with this
style, it was the fact that it appeared
on most of the 'How How' singles aswell as the album. To be honest, as a
Yello fan I felt a bit conned. 'How How' was released as a 2-parter in the
UK, and as a 4 parter in Germany. It has been known for record companies to
openly admit that having sets of CD singles is mainly a marketing ploy. The
problem I have, is that
Mercury (in this case) knew that Yello fans would probably buy all 4 of the
'How How' singles, so why did they include the Premix on parts 1 & 4 aswell
as the Zebra Album? I compare this to the period when I was sick of seeing
'Bostich' used as a B-side or extra track ('Of Course I'm Lying', 'the
Race' (UK 1992)). On first hearing Zebra - and realizing the same lyrics
appeared on the tracks 'Suite 909 & T.Pain',
I thought that it was an excuse for a little less effort for an album. For
Boris to have done a remix of the original 'How How' - now *that* would be
good listening.


James    [e-mail]

PS I'm getting rather agitated about Dieter's film. All we know is that it
will be a 'Baroque' opera? set in
New York in the future (stop me if I go off the plot), and that it is all
filmed with part animation/actors, with the colour added *later* to fill in
the picture, and this guy has to use a crystal to burn his way through a
wall.....You know what? It's all starting to make sense now.....


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From: Mark Pulley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Oh no, not U2...
Date: 30 Oct 1997 15:10:40 +1100


Suffering from post-exam stress last night, I accidentally listened to my
flatmate's copy of U2's "Zooropa", and was surprised to find a very
familiar sound in the background of "Numb" (between 2:14 and 2:23). I
listened to "Monolith" (e.g. 0:27-0:37) and sure enough, it was the same
sample (the descending vocal 'ah's after Debussy's Syrinx (that's the flute
bit)). Where did this sample originally come from? (The version on Zooropa
is altered electronically, slightly higher in pitch, and is in a different
key to the rest of the song. Yello did a much better job (naturally!))

P.S. does anyone know what piece was sampled in 'Stanztrigger'? (The
section with the French Horns not long before the end of the piece. See, I
listen to old *and* new Yello :) )

Mark

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From: Mark Pulley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Zebra
Date: 30 Oct 1997 15:21:07 +1100


At 09:27 PM 29/10/97 -0000, you wrote:
>I don't know really. Apart from being an average mix (remember, a lot of
>artists at this time were doing
>equally (if not more) sophisticated mixes, at this tempo, and with this
>style, it was the fact that it appeared
>on most of the 'How How' singles aswell as the album.

And the single version turned out to be the album version, too... Just as
well I liked "Moon Dog". :)

>To be honest, as a
>Yello fan I felt a bit conned. 'How How' was released as a 2-parter in the
>UK, and as a 4 parter in Germany.

Of course if you got parts 1-3, the black UK single and the US single, you
could get all the mixes... and only have *4* copies of the PreMix... :).
And if you got the US Do It single as well, you wouldn't need the German Do
It either. How's that for Victorian value!?

Mark

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