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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: (yello) Carl Cox's Musky
Date: 02 Aug 1997 22:50:27 +0200
Hi! What's the title of Carl Cox's album
which includes "Musky"?
There's very little info on Carl on the net.
Regards, Jonas Warstad
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From: nic <nic@python.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: (yello) Carl Cox's Musky
Date: 04 Aug 1997 00:18:33 BST
Hi Jonas,
>Hi! What's the title of Carl Cox's album
>which includes "Musky"?
The album, released 1996 is called "At the end of the cliche"
"Musky" is credited thus: "written by Carl Cox, mixed and produced by Boris
Blank and Carl Cox at Yello Studios, Zurich."
The album is on "Edel UK records" number 0090752COX
cheers
nic
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: (yello) 06-25 KEEP THE SHUAVAHNA !!!
Date: 05 Aug 1997 11:53:49 +1000
At 9:42 PM 30/07/97 -0100, Greg Vialle wrote:
Everybody is asking what is hided behind those words, aren't YOU !?!
>The complete words are:
>Your future : mad !
>Keep the Shuavahna,
>Keep them gone !
I'm not sure about the first line, and I don't know what a 'Shuavahna' is,
but the third line might just be right. [:)] The third line also sounds
suspiciously like one of the voices at the start of 'Do It' (the voice
after the first two 'Do it!s). Anyone agree?
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: (yello) Carlos Peron's acute grave problem
Date: 05 Aug 1997 12:08:09 +1000
Does anyone know how to spell Carlos Peron's name?
Yes, I know, that probably did sound pretty silly!
I've seen above the 'o' in 'Peron' acutes, graves, straight horizontal
lines, straight vertical lines(!), and no lines at all, seemingly dependent
on the whim of the guys who do the CD sleeves. Which one is correct (if any)?
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) Carlos Peron's acute grave problem
Date: 05 Aug 1997 06:21:38 +0200
> I've seen above the 'o' in 'Peron' acutes, graves, straight
horizontal
> lines, straight vertical lines(!), and no lines at all, seemingly
dependent
> on the whim of the guys who do the CD sleeves. Which one is correct
(if any)?
The correct answer is - none! His real name is
Carlos Snyder.
Jonas Warstad
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From: "Andrew J. Rozsa" <rozsa@pobox.com>
Subject: (yello) Please forgive me, but...
Date: 04 Aug 1997 22:21:51 -0500
I apologize for using the list for this.....but I have no other
options...
I picked up a private correspondence with another member of this
list. Unfortunately, I trashed my system and all signs of
previous correspondence have been obliterated. Lest I be
perceived to be a graceless clod, I would like to be contacted by
my correspondent (from UK) at his earliest convenience, so we can
pick it up where we left off.
I am grateful for the rest of the membership for bearing with me.
As far as Yello content is concerned....oh,well, Yello still
makes my heart beat faster. :-)
Andrew R=F3zsa
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From: Mike Maunz <mm0@servtech.com>
Subject: Re: (yello) Carlos Peron's acute grave problem
Date: 05 Aug 1997 12:10:35 -0400 (EDT)
Jonas Warstad wrote:
>The correct answer is - none! His real name is
>Carlos Snyder.
That's probably another pseudonym... His REAL name is Martin Mueller.
And Boris' is Hans-Rudolf Strickler.
I posted this back in 1994, but I never followed up on where I found this
info. If you do a search for "Yello" in the U.S. Library of Congress
copyright catalog (telnet locis.loc.gov), there are two old records which
reveal the pseudonyms. I believe it to be correct, for several reasons;
You've probably noticed that Boris Blank looks a bit Hispanic (not to
mention the Latin influence on his music), yet he was born in Switzerland.
The real "Boris Blank" was some political figure(?) in Argentina.
The name "Peron" has its obvious connections with Argentina.
Here are the relevant records from the LOC:
SR-43-325 (COHM) ITEM 55 OF 69 IN SET 1
TITL: Solid pleasure / [performed by] aYello.
IMPR: Ralph Records YL 8059-L, c1980.
PHYS: 1 sound disc : 33 1/3 rpm ; 12 in.
CLNA: (c) (p) Jay Clem
INNN: notice: The Cryptic Corporation
DCRE: 1980 DPUB: 15Oct80 DREG: 14Jul82
APAU: some music, performance, and sound recording: Hans-Rudolf Strickler,
whose pseud. is Boris Blank & Martin Mueller, whose pseud. is Carlos
Peron; words, performance, and sound recording: Dieter Meier.
MISC: C.O. corres.
COTI: Bimbo.
Night flanger.
Reverse lion.
Downtown samba.
Magneto.
Massage.
Assistant's cry.
Bostich.
Rock stop.
Coast to polka.
Blue green.
Eternal legs.
Stanztrigger.
Bananas to the beat.
ECIF: 37/N
XREF: Boris Blank , <pseud.> SEE Hans-Rudolf Strickler , 1951-.
Carlos Peron , <pseud.> SEE Martin Mueller , 1951-.
SR-43-326 (COHM) ITEM 56 OF 69 IN SET 1
TITL: Claro que si / [all music composed and arranged by Boris Blank ;
lyrics by Dieter Meier ; performed by] aYello.
IMPR: Ralph Records YL-8159, c1981.
PHYS: 1 sound disc : 33 1/3 rpm ; 12 in.
CLNA: (c) (p) Jay Clem
INNN: notice: Cryptic Corporation
DCRE: 1981 DPUB: 16Oct81 DREG: 14Jul82
APAU: music, performance, and sound recording: Hans-Rudolf Strickler, whose
pseud. is Boris Blank; words and performance: Dieter Meier; performance:
Martin Mueller, whose pseud. is Carlos Peron.
MISC: C.O. corres.
COTI: Daily disco.
No more Roger.
Take it all.
The Evening's young.
She's got a gun.
Ballet mecanique.
Ouad el Habib.
The Lorry.
Homer Hossa.
Pinball cha cha.
ECIF: 37/N
XREF: Boris Blank , <pseud.> SEE Hans-Rudolf Strickler , 1951-.
Carlos Peron , <pseud.> SEE Martin Mueller , 1951-.
Notice the Claimant Name is one "Jay Clem" of "The Cryptic Corporation".
Incidentally, this person also appears on other Ralph Records copyright
registries.
The fact that the pseudonyms appear in these records indicates that they
were included on the registration form, as the LOC does not hide false
names (as the registrant might prefer). In later registrations (which
were done by different record companies), the pseudonyms were used as the
real names.
Jonas, perhaps you could inquire about this with Boris, when you do your
interviews.
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) Carlos Peron's and Boris' real names
Date: 05 Aug 1997 22:58:25 +0200
> >The correct answer is - none! His real name is
> >Carlos Snyder.
>
> That's probably another pseudonym.
I'm sure you're right about this, but I got my information
last year from "Yello Headquarter" in Zurich and I had no
reason to doubt it. Either my contact didn't know, or he
forgot, or he was simply instructed not to reveal it.
Thanks, anyway, for sharing this info with us.
> Notice the Claimant Name is one "Jay Clem" of "The Cryptic
Corporation".
> Incidentally, this person also appears on other Ralph Records
copyright
> registries.
Here's a quote which should clarify this a bit:
Dieter: "Boris and Carlos were fans of The Residents and, in 1979,
they, like pilgrims, went to San Francisco. Not to ask for a deal,
no, they didn't consider their music worthy of being put on a record
at that time. Anyway, they went into the offices of Ralph Records,
and had a chat with Jay Clem and Hardy Fox (Ralph directors). When
our single came out [I.T. Splash], we sent them a copy and they liked
it a lot. We were then offered some record deals from companies which
were all unacceptable. So we sent Ralph three tracks which we'd
recorded for an album, and they were impressed. Jay Clem came to
Zⁿrich to see us, and we agreed to be together.[Sounds 19/12/81]"
> Jonas, perhaps you could inquire about this with Boris, when you do
your
> interviews.
You bet I will. I've got sheets upon sheets with quotes like these
and questions based upon them. Poor Boris. :-)
Best
Jonas Warstad
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: (yello) Yello book
Date: 05 Aug 1997 22:57:21 +0200
Hi all! I got a question about my book
and I thought I'd forward it for all to read.
> Is it true that you are compiling a Yello book?
Yes.
> It will be factual and detailed won't it?
Yes, definitely!
> It's just that many recent books
> that have been written on certain successful groups, The Prodigy
etc have
> consisted mainly of interpretations of the groups' music, and have
little
> factual detail, of the group members' biography and development,
and it
> would be refereshing to learn that if there was a book about Yello,
that it
> would encapsulate as much 'primary source' information, as
possible, and
> not seen from a fan/journalistic point of view.
Thanks for your interest. I'm not a journalist (a fan though) but it
will
be facts and quotes from Boris and his manager (and hopefully from
Dieter too). I'd like to spice it with photos (promo and amateur) and
cover sheets too. No opinions, but some comments might be useful.
> Will the book be chronologically structured?
Yes, definitely.
> or will it be a random selection of articles and interviews?
No. I will use my own interview only.
> How will your book answer most of the questions that have dogged
the Yello
> fans since 1979? I'm sure that the main difficulty that you have or
will
> face in writing this book, is that the Yello story 'itself' relies
so
> heavily on the music, which tells the story.
I will get the "story behind" every track (released and unreleased)
and every album, and describe some other major happenings,
like live performances, the preparations, you name it.
> What concerns me as a Yello
> fan is that there would be a massive temptation for the author (in
this
> case, yourself) to offer their own 'feelings' or 'irrelevent'
> interpretations of Yello's music.
No way. I've read some "music"books (ABBA, Kraftwerk,
Prince, Beatles, Kate Bush, Vangelis, XTC) and I got some
ideas of what to do and what not to do.
> I have no clue as to how much research you have undertaken for
this book,
> but being simply a duo, it cannot have been an easy task in
interviewing
> Dieter & Boris, over what Yello is all about etc.
The interview isn't done yet, their latest bid is October. I've
studied
some 60 articles/interviews too, in preparation.
Best
Jonas Warstad
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: (yello) Carlos Peron's and Boris' real names
Date: 06 Aug 1997 17:01:06 +1000
At 10:58 PM 5/08/97 +0200, you wrote:
>> >The correct answer is - none! His real name is
>> >Carlos Snyder.
>> That's probably another pseudonym.
>I'm sure you're right about this. Either my contact didn't know, or he
>forgot, or he was simply instructed not to reveal it.
Good luck in finding out the truth of the matter.
That still leaves the question... how does Carlos spell his pseudonym?
Mark
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From: Juhana K Kouhia <kouhia@nic.funet.fi>
Subject: Re: (yello) 06-25 KEEP THE SHUAVAHNA !!!
Date: 06 Aug 1997 12:14:46 +0300
>Everybody is asking what is hided behind those words, aren't YOU !?!
In what song these are? Celsius?
Juhana
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From: Mike Maunz <mm0@servtech.com>
Subject: Re: (yello) Carlos Peron's and Boris' real names
Date: 06 Aug 1997 12:50:29 -0400 (EDT)
Mark Pulley wrote:
>That still leaves the question... how does Carlos spell his pseudonym?
You may have answered your own question, sort of. Since the name is fake
to begin with, it might explain why he (and others) might not have been
very consistent spelling it, therefore there is no correct spelling.
Personally, I've never seen an accent of any kind in his name. (I assume
we're referring to Carlos' solo albums, as I don't have any of them.)
If the accent (or lack of) is arbitrary, the correct way would be how it's
properly used in the original language.
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) Carlos Peron's fake surname - final chapter
Date: 06 Aug 1997 19:54:47 +0200
I think it's safe to assume that "Carlos" got his
idea from some more or less "famous" Peron,
and there are three Peron in my big dectionary,
and all of them spell it Per≤n: Juan Domingo
Per≤n (Argentine dictator), his third wife Marφa
Estella Per≤n (president of Argentina 1974-76)
(known as Isabel), and finally Marφa Eva Duarte
de Per≤n, known as Evita (*second* wife of Juan
Domingo Per≤n) - Argentine actress.
Jonas Warstad
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: (yello) 06-25 KEEP THE SHUAVAHNA !!!
Date: 07 Aug 1997 12:07:54 +1000
At 12:14 PM 6/08/97 +0300, you wrote:
>>Everybody is asking what is hided behind those words, aren't YOU !?!
>In what song these are? Celsius?
No, it's in Magnetic... but there's a secret. As Greg said:
>>One of my favourites tracks on PU is MAGNETIC -= just
>>sample 3:57 to 4:05 and backward it - just to see!
Mark
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_(yello)_Carlos_Per=F3n's_fake_surname_-_?=
Date: 07 Aug 1997 12:33:00 +1000
At 07:54 PM 6/08/97 +0200, you wrote:
>I think it's safe to assume that "Carlos" got his
>idea from some more or less "famous" Per=F3n...
Thanks for that.
On the "Whampire Records" web site there is a Carlos Peron page (for his
album "Triggering") <http://www.whampire.de/whamp1.html> where he 'calls
himself the one and only "legitimate descendant" of Evita Peron'. (I didn't
know that that family had an acute above their 'o').
Incidentally, for some reason my copy of Triggering has a slightly
different cover from that on the web site: the background is plain red, and
the text is black... but Carlos still looks 'vampiric'!
Mark
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: (yello) Re: Magnetic - secret backward message
Date: 07 Aug 1997 17:29:27 +0200
> No, it's in Magnetic... but there's a secret. As Greg said:
> >>One of my favourites tracks on PU is MAGNETIC -= just
> >>sample 3:57 to 4:05 and backward it - just to see!
Well how do you backward a CD player in normal speed??
I would appreciate if someone told us all what's being said
"in backward mode". Thanks.
Jonas W
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From: David John <djh@post4.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: (yello) Re: Magnetic - secret backward message
Date: 07 Aug 1997 21:03:59 +0200
At 17:29 07-08-97 +0200, Jonas Warstad wrote:
>
>> No, it's in Magnetic... but there's a secret. As Greg said:
>> >>One of my favourites tracks on PU is MAGNETIC -= just
>> >>sample 3:57 to 4:05 and backward it - just to see!
>
>Well how do you backward a CD player in normal speed??
>I would appreciate if someone told us all what's being said
>"in backward mode". Thanks.
>
>Jonas W
I tried today and frankly, I don't hear anything special. Only a lot of
growling. It was a funny experiment though. But the result was quite
dissapointing.
If any of you have heard anything that I didn't please tell us. Maybe I
missed it.
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From: FGriego@aol.com
Subject: Re: (yello) Re: Magnetic - secret backward message
Date: 07 Aug 1997 19:32:25 -0400 (EDT)
There's a sight dedicated to reversals www.reverspeech.com
This does not qualify based on their standards.
record as a WAV and use editor to reverse.
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_(yello)_Carlos_Per=F3n's_fake_?=
Date: 08 Aug 1997 12:55:13 +1000
At 12:33 PM 7/08/97 +1000, I wrote:
>...there is a Carlos Peron page (for his
>album "Triggering") <http://www.whampire.de/whamp1.html>.
>Incidentally, for some reason my copy of Triggering has a slightly
>different cover from that on the web site: the background is plain red, and
>the text is black... but Carlos still looks 'vampiric'!
Oops, I goofed. The text is white (like the cover on the web site), but not
in italics. Serves me right for not going home to check it before posting...:)
(This thread seems to be going on forever!)
Mark
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From: David John <djh@post4.tele.dk>
Subject: (yello) Ford Commercial
Date: 08 Aug 1997 22:02:04 +0200
Hi,
I just saw a Ford commercial on danish TV with some background sound that
was extremely close to Solar Driftwood.
The music is very much alike and then there's some words spoken in a tone
like Dieters voice.
The words are english so I guess the commercial might be shown on other
european stations as well.
I will try to make a clip available for ya.
Anyway, has any of you seen it?
Ciao,
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From: "Peter Bailey" <pbailey@tertiary.jacwiley.com.au>
Subject: (yello) Greetings
Date: 09 Aug 1997 08:45:11 PDT
This is my obligatory "hello".
Have first 3 Yello albums and enjoy them immensely (esp. Claro Que Si)
PB
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: (yello) My Yello discog(s) changed & updated
Date: 09 Aug 1997 20:08:08 +0200
For those interested, I have now merged
my three discogs (German & UK & US)
into two: 1979-79, and 1990-97. This will
make it easier for all to see what was released
when, regardless of country of origin.
Best, JW
http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/yello.html
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From: yehuda@maltar.org.il (Yehuda Segal)
Subject: (yello) A russian commercial with a piece of CELSIUS in it.
Date: 10 Aug 1997 11:03:35 +0300
Does anyone on the mailing list knows russian and has access to the
russian channel - ORT?
If such a person is on this mailing list, there's this russian
anti-pirate commercial (the one with the man building a wall out
of video cassetes and then putting the bars in the center).
I'm pretty sure that the music used in this commercial is actually
a piece of CELSIUS from their latest album POCKET UNIVERSE? (I'm not
sure which part though).
Did anyone else notice that?
Yuri.
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From: JULZMON@aol.com
Subject: (yello) on track cd lmtd?
Date: 10 Aug 1997 14:44:57 -0400 (EDT)
Hello every one
I hope your all in good health and enjoying the summer.
So..... is the lmtd. On Track out yet? I've been too lazy to look at
lists and the Record Collector. Need to know cause of course I must have!
Also the thing about Boris having a glass eye is that written in a mag?
all my best to all Julian
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) on track cd lmtd?
Date: 11 Aug 1997 17:44:13 +0200
It's a promotional CDM only, sorry.
> Also the thing about Boris having a glass eye is that written in a
mag?
Yes, a few interviews mention it, with some
comments from Boris. There's some info in
my Yello FAQ too about this. JW
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From: "richard stevenson" <richardstevenson@hotmail.com>
Subject: (yello) Hands on Yello II ?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 05:07:32 PDT
Some time ago I read in the music press that there was going to be a
second Hands on Yello CD but I have not heard anything since.
Can anyone confirm this?
Richard
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) Hands on Yello II ?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 18:04:33 +0200
> Some time ago I read in the music press that there was going to be
a
> second Hands on Yello CD but I have not heard anything since.
> Can anyone confirm this?
It was indeed released, shortly after the regular CD.
It's deleted though. I refer to my Yello discog
for tracks and details. Regards, Jonas Warstad
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From: BDawson@hrsa.dhhs.gov (Bruce Dawson)
Subject: (yello) Lee "Scratch" Perry/Dieter Meier Album
Date: 12 Aug 1997 10:54:33 -0400
Hello Yello-ite's, I've been reading for a few months now, but never
contributed (sorry). Over the past couple of weeks I've been noticing
a lot of mystery discussion over the Dieter/Lee Perry album. Well I
picked it up a couple months ago and here's a description.
The album is called "Technomajikal" and it is strictly under Lee
"Scratch" Perry, generally in the reggae section. Dieter is only
listed as Executive Producer, he does not appear on any of the
songwriting credits, he is not listed as a vocalist, or musician. The
album was recorded partially in Switzerland and partially in New York.
The album has 8 tracks and 3 of which are remixes of the some of the
other songs. How's it sound? Well that's kind of hard to describe,
it's a mix of techno and reggae, and while at times that may sound
like cucumbers and ice cream, actually in this case it works quite
well. Dieter may not actually be on the album, but his influence is
all over it. It's worth a listen, and in fact you may want to listen
before you buy it.
Since this is my first posting, a little about myself, I've been a fan
since I first heard "The Evening's Young" when it was released,
actually I first loved the video, then the group. I live in Denver,
Colorado and this is not exactly a hot bed of Yello fanatics out here.
I had to order Pocket Universe from CDNow at an outragous price, and
just got the cd single for To The Sea (in my opinion the weakest song
on the album). But most of my Yello material I've had to buy import
over the years, hey, half the fun is in the chase.
My favorite Yello album is always the next one to come out. Could not
really pick one overall favorite, but if pressed it would probably be
You Gotta Say Yes To Another Excess. But love them all equally. I'm
looking at Pocket Universe as a real transition album, saying goodbye
to some of the old favorite material and welcoming in the 21st Century
(hopefully we won't have to wait that long for the next album!).
Well that's about it from the Rocky Mountains!
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From: "Laurent Reymond" <reymond_laurent@msn.com>
Subject: RE: (yello) on track cd lmtd?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 16:47:08 UT
I have found in Geneva a MCD On Track with a CD ROM part with 2 video clips(to
the sea and on Track)
The audio part is composed of :
on track 3.44 Doug Laurent's first journey single version
on track 3.46 original version
on track 7.31Doug Laurent's first journey
It was on sale so I just wonder if I'm late or if it is rare or unsold?
Laurent.
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Subject: (yello) on track CD ROM
Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:20:02 UT
I have found in Geneva a MCD On Track with a CD ROM part with 2 video clips(to
the sea and on Track)
The audio part is composed of :
on track 3.44 Doug Laurent's first journey single version
on track 3.46 original version
on track 7.31Doug Laurent's first journey
It was on sale so I just wonder if I'm late or if it is rare or unsold?
Laurent.
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From: Jose Vicente <vicente@eid.pt>
Subject: (yello) MP3
Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:52:37 +-200
Hi there :)
As this is my first posting, I'll start up presenting myself:
My name is Jose Vicente, I'm Portuguese (Lisbon), 26 yo, systems eng.
I'm a Yello fan since I heard "The Race" in a fashion show 8 years ago =
(it took me 3 mounths to find out it was from a group called Yello).
And, as soon as I got my first album, I got caugth by their sound !!!
Does anyone knows if they ever performed in Portugal ?
I would like also to make a suggestion:
Could it be possible for all of you having MP3 files available to =
download, to split the bigger ones (say, > 4 Mb) in smaller ones? I =
always get disconnected after 2-3 hours of download, getting only about =
3-4 Megs. Maybe my connection is slow, although I have a ISDN =
connection, but it seems that some servers cant keep the pace !!!
Best, JVicente
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From: FGriego@aol.com
Subject: (yello) re:Yello for sale in Goldmine
Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:10:06 -0400 (EDT)
Found the following for sale in the current issue of GOLDMINE:
Bimbo/IT Splash Ralph 7" (listed as VG++ cond)
Flag LP (US)
One Second LP (US)
all are listed @ $6 each not including postage. EMail me (not the list) and I
will
provide ordering information.
Best, FG
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) on track CD ROM
Date: 12 Aug 1997 23:48:46 +0200
> I have found in Geneva a MCD On Track with a CD ROM part with 2
video clips(to
> the sea and on Track)
> It was on sale so I just wonder if I'm late or if it is rare or
unsold?
Thanks Laurent. We're not jealous at all.
Anyway would you mind giving us the cat no
and whatever text there is on the cover?
I don't think it's a commercial release,
any "promotional only" stamp or such?
I'll find out about it sooner or later, but still
please give us the details. Thanks, JW
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From: FGriego@aol.com
Subject: Re: (yello) on track CD ROM
Date: 12 Aug 1997 18:27:40 -0400 (EDT)
Anyone know if a problem of compatibility exists where
video standards and CDROM are concerned?
I know the NTSC/PAL/SECAM noncompatibility
is due, in part, to the 50 hz vs. 60hz operating power in
different countries.
When I read of the discovery of this CD ROM in Geneva,
I recalled that I had not yet played the CD Videos that I
have in my collection (on this computer). Needless to say,
I was disappointed-only audio.
Best, FG
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: (yello) Monolithic circuits
Date: 13 Aug 1997 12:18:36 +1000
One of my engineering friends sent me this info about circuits (yes, it is
relevant to Yello!):
>A monolithic circuit is a integrated circuit that is constructed entirely
>on a single chip. Some integrated circuits can contain maybe two, three or
>four chips inside a single package (so you can't tell just by looking at
>it the outside) and others have off-chip components and hence are called
>hybrid circuits. The term "monolithic" is used to distiguish this type of
>circuit from multiple-chip or hybrid circuits and is relevant to the
>integrated circuit manufacturing industry. Monolithic circuits are
>cheaper to manufacture, because you don't have to manufacture multiple
>chips and interconnect the chips, but can also be less reliable because
>you are cramming a lot of components onto a single chip, and any one
>failure in a component will probably cause a failure of the whole chip.
I wonder if Yello had this in mind when they named 'Monolith'?
Mark
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) Monolithic circuits
Date: 13 Aug 1997 19:56:57 +0200
> I wonder if Yello had this in mind when they named 'Monolith'?
Might be, looking at the cover. Might also be referring to
the Monolith in Kubrick's famous sci-fi movie "2001",
(some similar humming/choral sounds in both the movie
and the song).
Regards, JW
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From: "Laurent Reymond" <reymond_laurent@msn.com>
Subject: (yello) Details On Track MCD ROM
Date: 15 Aug 1997 09:09:43 UT
I wrote:
I have found in Geneva a MCD On Track with a CD ROM part with 2 video clips(to
the sea and on Track)
The audio part is composed of :
on track 3.44 Doug Laurent's first journey single version
on track 3.46 original version
on track 7.31Doug Laurent's first journey
It was on sale so I just wonder if I'm late or if it is rare or unsold?
Here are some details:
The cover looks like the album one. Firstable , I didn't realize that it was
different.
No "promotional only" or such things mentioned on the cover.
It is a commercial release I think. I found it not in a record shop but in"la
Placette"
which is one of the biggest shop in Geneva.
Reference:Mercury 04 115-2 LC 0268 (c)1997
Video clips:
To the sea: 62388 Kb 3 min52
On Trak:44066 Kb 3min10 The sound is the Doug Laurent's first journey single
version.
When I discovered this MCD, I visited all the other shops supposed to get it
but
it is not on the lists. (?????).
Laurent.
Reymond_Laurent@msn.com
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From: JULZMON@aol.com
Subject: Re: (yello) Lee "Scratch" Perry/Dieter Meier Album
Date: 16 Aug 1997 03:18:21 -0400 (EDT)
In a message dated 97-08-12 18:48:23 EDT, you write:
<< It's worth a listen, and in fact you may want to listen
before you buy it. >>
make sure you listen to it before you buy it (thats all I have to say about
this album)
Julz
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) Lee "Scratch" Perry/Dieter Meier Album
Date: 16 Aug 1997 09:28:28 +0200
"Executive producer" (in this case Dieter Meier)
often means "paying for the production" (in the
music and movie world). You can never tell for sure,
unless you really get behind the scene.
JW
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From: "Laurent Reymond" <reymond_laurent@msn.com>
Subject: (yello) Details on MCD ROM part 3
Date: 16 Aug 1997 18:36:54 UT
As I said:
Here are some details:
The cover looks like the album one. Firstable , I didn't realize that it was
different.
No "promotional only" or such things mentioned on the cover.
It is a commercial release I think. I found it not in a record shop but in"la
Placette"
which is one of the biggest shop in Geneva.
Reference:Mercury 04 115-2 LC 0268 (c)1997
Video clips:
To the sea: 62388 Kb 3 min52
On Trak:44066 Kb 3min10 The sound is the Doug Laurent's first journey single
version.
And:
on the cover, it is written:
limited edition cd-eXtra incl videos & web link for windows & mac
Laurent.
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From: nic <nic@python.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (yello) Carl Cox's Musky
Date: 17 Aug 1997 09:18:57 BST
Hi!
Since detailing the track details for this album (At the End of the
Cliche, 1996), I listened to Musky, and realised immediately it is an
instrumental version of 'Magnetic' from P.U.
I haven't run the two side by side, so there may be slight differences,
but the track time on Musky is 6:45, and fades in and out.
Regards
nic
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From: "Richard Gillett" <gilletts@enterprise.net>
Subject: (yello) Yello
Date: 17 Aug 1997 19:09:35 +0100
Could anyone E- Mail me answers to the following questions?
1) What really is the latest news on 'The Lightmaker'?
2) Will there be an album compilation released containing all Yello's
B-Sides?
3) Why haven't Yello's Web Site writers bothered to get rid of its
hi-jackers?
4) Are there any 'Pocket Universe' posters available?
5) Are there any "large" scans of the PU album cover on the Web?
6) Could anyone please send me the MPEG files for 'To The Sea' and/or 'On
Track'?
James Gillett gilletts@enterprise.com
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) Carl Cox's Musky
Date: 17 Aug 1997 20:12:15 +0200
> Since detailing the track details for this album (At the End of the
> Cliche, 1996), I listened to Musky, and realised immediately it is
an
> instrumental version of 'Magnetic' from P.U.
It's a bit strange, because, like you said, Musky was written
by Carl Cox (and mixed and produced by Boris Blank and
Carl Cox), whereas Magnetic is written by Boris Blank
(and produced by both of them). It's a strange world.
JW
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello
Date: 18 Aug 1997 17:45:35 +0200
> 1) What really is the latest news on 'The Lightmaker'?
> 2) Will there be an album compilation released containing all
Yello's
> B-Sides?
Please see my Yello FAQ at
http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/yello-FAQ/
> 3) Why haven't Yello's Web Site writers bothered to get rid of its
> hi-jackers?
I'm not so sure these so called hi-jackers
were more than a publicity stunt.
> 4) Are there any 'Pocket Universe' posters available?
I've seen them in record shops, you have to
ask your local dealer.
> 6) Could anyone please send me the MPEG files for 'To The Sea'
and/or 'On
> Track'?
What's wrong with the CD itself?
JW
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From: "Richard Gillett" <gilletts@enterprise.net>
Subject: (yello) Pocket Universe
Date: 18 Aug 1997 20:55:13 +0100
There are several cases concerning 'Pocket Universe' that really leaves me
to doubt the credibility of even a group like Yello.
Dieter's 'reason' for calling the album 'Pocket Universe' concerned the
(unbelievable) idea that the universe is contained in a larger atom,
'beyond our comprehension', that it itself maybe a sub-atomic particle of
some kind. Then, in 'Solar Driftwood', the alert amongst you will realise
that he contradicts himself, with the idea of an expanding and contracting
universe - "until the next 'inevitable' Big Bang" (the model as proposed by
the physicist Bob Dicke in the 1960's.) I'd love to know how this paradox
is overcome.
Even in 'Beyond Mirrors,' the text spoken, name drops greatly respected
scientists such as Wiener Heisenberg, and Rupert Sheldrake, leaving Dieter
to (mis)quote them with as much artistic license as he feels.
'Seven Experiments That Could Change the World,' is a worthwhile read, for
those interested in the growing area and commercialism of science. Of
course, as it has become more commercial, there is a bigger potential for
misinterpretation. To merely say that a 'scientist's attitude affects the
result of their experiments', while Sheldrake spends a good few chapters
discussing 'true' objectivity in science, is at best misquoting and at
worst misleading.
As much as I am a huge fan of Yello, I am also a huge fan of science,- the
science that is carried out by scientists. People who devote time and
effort to their specialized field. Part of Yello's success, has been their
holistic approach to sound, (treating every physical sound as a potential
instrument). Unique methods in manipulating different sounds at different
fequencies and timbres will always ensure Yello's mortality as an
interesting and fresh sound.
'PU' has been met with great criticism here in the UK, - one of the
re-occuring reasons is that Yello have approached the concept album with
banality and hardly any humility. There is a part of me that agrees with
this view.
Yello have been one of those special bands who understand the technology
they use, and are great at making their music sound human. But, with trying
to bridge the gap between the 'notorious' two culture divide(arts &
science), they have made themselves 'suspect,' - remember, part of Yello's
appeal has been to create 'other' worlds or environments, and Dieter has
been reported to have a love of 'faking brilliance' in more than one
article. However, his 'Beyond Mirrors' does not ring true, and his claim
that 'scientists have to admit that the universe is magic,' implies that,
whatever scientists discover and are able to prove, that the origin of the
universe will always be inexplicable; that irrationality will always win
over rationality. I wonder if Dieter is aware of (the now dated) notions of
Quantam Mechanics and Chaos Theory.
It's almost as if, in attempting to construct a concept album which
concerns the notions of the planets, the oceans and the universe itself,
Yello have tripped over themselves. In trying to convey huge philosophies
and coming out with 'banal' statements, ("Life is a ride...like days on a
train..") in a mere 63 minutes, they have come across as fake. Science has
only been able to progress in small steps, by different people at different
times.
Don't get me wrong, Yello are a great band, but flawless they ain't.
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From: "James Gillett" <gilletts@enterprise.net>
Subject: (yello) Pocket Universe
Date: 18 Aug 1997 20:59:12 +0100
There are several cases concerning 'Pocket Universe' that really leaves me
to doubt the credibility of even a group like Yello.
Dieter's 'reason' for calling the album 'Pocket Universe' concerned the
(unbelievable) idea that the universe is contained in a larger atom,
'beyond our comprehension', that it itself maybe a sub-atomic particle of
some kind. Then, in 'Solar Driftwood', the alert amongst you will realise
that he contradicts himself, with the idea of an expanding and contracting
universe - "until the next 'inevitable' Big Bang" (the model as proposed by
the physicist Bob Dicke in the 1960's.) I'd love to know how this paradox
is overcome.
Even in 'Beyond Mirrors,' the text spoken, name drops greatly respected
scientists such as Wiener Heisenberg, and Rupert Sheldrake, leaving Dieter
to (mis)quote them with as much artistic license as he feels.
'Seven Experiments That Could Change the World,' is a worthwhile read, for
those interested in the growing area and commercialism of science. Of
course, as it has become more commercial, there is a bigger potential for
misinterpretation. To merely say that a 'scientist's attitude affects the
result of their experiments', while Sheldrake spends a good few chapters
discussing 'true' objectivity in science, is at best misquoting and at
worst misleading.
As much as I am a huge fan of Yello, I am also a huge fan of science,- the
science that is carried out by scientists. People who devote time and
effort to their specialized field. Part of Yello's success, has been their
holistic approach to sound, (treating every physical sound as a potential
instrument). Unique methods in manipulating different sounds at different
fequencies and timbres will always ensure Yello's mortality as an
interesting and fresh sound.
'PU' has been met with great criticism here in the UK, - one of the
re-occuring reasons is that Yello have approached the concept album with
banality and hardly any humility. There is a part of me that agrees with
this view.
Yello have been one of those special bands who understand the technology
they use, and are great at making their music sound human. But, with trying
to bridge the gap between the 'notorious' two culture divide(arts &
science), they have made themselves 'suspect,' - remember, part of Yello's
appeal has been to create 'other' worlds or environments, and Dieter has
been reported to have a love of 'faking brilliance' in more than one
article. However, his 'Beyond Mirrors' does not ring true, and his claim
that 'scientists have to admit that the universe is magic,' implies that,
whatever scientists discover and are able to prove, that the origin of the
universe will always be inexplicable; that irrationality will always win
over rationality. I wonder if Dieter is aware of (the now dated) notions of
Quantam Mechanics and Chaos Theory.
It's almost as if, in attempting to construct a concept album which
concerns the notions of the planets, the oceans and the universe itself,
Yello have tripped over themselves. In trying to convey huge philosophies
and coming out with 'banal' statements, ("Life is a ride...like days on a
train..") in a mere 63 minutes, they have come across as fake. Science has
only been able to progress in small steps, by different people at different
times.
Don't get me wrong, Yello are a great band, but flawless they ain't.
James Gillett gilletts@enterprise.net
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From: FGriego@aol.com
Subject: Re: (yello) Pocket Universe
Date: 18 Aug 1997 18:47:10 -0400 (EDT)
In a message dated 97-08-18 18:30:42 EDT, you write:
"There are several cases concerning 'Pocket Universe' ....but flawless they
ain't."
umm, so does that mean he liked it or not?
best, FG
"The bad thing about technology is that it attracts so many people with so
little to say."
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: (yello) Pocket Universe
Date: 19 Aug 1997 12:30:11 +1000
At 08:59 PM 18/08/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Part of Yello's success, has been their holistic approach to sound,
>(treating every physical sound as a potential instrument).
Carlos Peron once said that there wasn't an object in his house that he
hadn't sampled for his music.
>...In trying to convey huge philosophies
>and coming out with 'banal' statements, ("Life is a ride...like days on a
>train..") in a mere 63 minutes...
Well, I *like* that quote. Life is like a train ride where you don't know
where you'll end up. (Unless you can see the light at the end of the
tunnel, which is probably a train.) :)
Mark
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From: "Oleg Skrynnik" <alli@redline.ru>
Subject: (yello) Re: A russian commercial with a piece of CELSIUS in it.
Date: 18 Aug 1997 21:37:21 +0400
>Does anyone on the mailing list knows russian and has access to the
>russian channel - ORT?
>If such a person is on this mailing list, there's this russian
>anti-pirate commercial (the one with the man building a wall out
>of video cassetes and then putting the bars in the center).
You're absolutely right - this is Celsius playing in this video.
Best wishes,
Oleg Skrynnik.
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From: Juhana K Kouhia <kouhia@nic.funet.fi>
Subject: (yello) Celsius samples
Date: 19 Aug 1997 13:35:45 +0300
I have made available two samples taken from Celsius. They are in
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/music/western/Yello/samples/ as files
"celsius-*". One is the sweep sound playing alone (wave) at some point
and the second is the processed voice (mp3).
I recorded them to computer because I will try find out the lyrics
in the processed voice and because I will ask in appropriate place
how the effects are made.
Juhana
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From: ARWales@aol.com
Subject: Re: (yello) Pocket Universe & other matters
Date: 19 Aug 1997 15:32:30 -0400 (EDT)
>There are several cases concerning 'Pocket Universe' that really leaves me
>to doubt the credibility of even a group like Yello.
>Dieter's 'reason' for calling the album 'Pocket Universe' concerned the
>(unbelievable) idea that the universe is contained in a larger atom,
>'beyond our comprehension', that it itself maybe a sub-atomic particle of
>some kind.
Aside from demonstrating your dubious command of the English language - I
think your completely missing the point, 'Pocket Universe' isn't a scientific
treatise. The idea that we might exist within some kind of microcosmos which
in relation to the universe as a whole is the equivalent of a single raindrop
or grain of sand is hardly a new idea. Even in the film 'Men in Black' part
of the plot revolves around the attempts by various parties to capture or
save just such a microcosmos. It's just a fun idea nobody takes it that seriou
sly.
>Then, in 'Solar Driftwood', the alert amongst you will realise
>that he contradicts himself, with the idea of an expanding and contracting
>universe
All sorts of events occur at a subatomic or micro-biological level that in a
relative sense could be considered the equivalent of a 'Big Bang'. You're
taking the whole thing far too seriously and missing the point of 'Solar
Driftwood' which is founded on the idea of Earth being a tiny raft seemingly
endlessly drifting through space and music providing a possible means of
universal communication. It's more a quasi-romantic notion than any sort of
attempt to postulate an infinitely expanding universe.
>Even in 'Beyond Mirrors,' the text spoken, name drops greatly respected
>scientists such as Wiener Heisenberg, and Rupert Sheldrake, leaving Dieter
>to (mis)quote them with as much artistic license as he feels.
Significantly you fail to mention Arthur C Clarke !! Also the deliberately
portentous music Boris Blank creates as a backing for Dieter's words. There
is HUMOUR at work here !! I do of course think there is also a serious point
being made, but it's more to do with the way that when we are confronted with
what we consider to be magic we are forced to look at things anew and realise
that everything is not what we thought it to be. In effect, we are filled
with a sense of wonder and awe. A child views the world in precisely this
way: in adulthood we can all to easily begin to stagnate because we start to
take to many things as given. Thus Dieter has stated that Yello treat the
studio as a child would and therefore view each new endeavour as a voyage of
discovery. This is why Yello have always retained the ability to re-invent
themselves and stay fresh.
>'PU' has been met with great criticism here in the UK, - one of the
>re-occuring reasons is that Yello have approached the concept album with
>banality and hardly any humility.
Aside from the fact that I DON'T think 'PU' is a concept album anyway
(anymore than any other Yello album fits into this category) and that most of
the UK reviews I read were ill-thought out and hardly worth the paper they
were written on. It does worry me that so many that so many of my fellow
countrymen (and women) seem to suffer from a humour by-pass. What anyway is
this nonsense about the concept album being approached with 'humility': did
Rick Wakeman's "King Arthur" do this, or Alan Parsons or even god forbid the
dreadful Yes - hardly a "tradition" that merits any serious respect from
anyone anywhere.
Finally, on a separate point - with regard to the Lee 'Scratch' Perry album.
Executive Producer does usually mean stumping up the finances rather than an
active artistic contribution. All the releases on David Byrne's Luaka Bop
label have him listed in this role but that doesn't mean he plays on the
albums in question, if he does he is separately credited. 'Tecknomajical' is
a great album and it can't be underlined enough that Mr Perry is a musical
genius of the first order (buy the 3CD compilation "Arkology" if you require
substantive proof of this). I would specifically like to thank Mr Barry
Dawson for his thoughtful and well written contribution which made me more
fully aware of this albums existence and resulted in me purchasing a copy.
Cheers
Andrew Wales
ARWales@aol.com
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <lazlo@swcp.com>
Subject: Re: (yello) Pocket Universe & other matters
Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:03:06 -0600 (MDT)
> Aside from demonstrating your dubious command of the English language - I
> think your completely missing the point...
A couple of comments from your list admin:
1) Many of our subscribers speak and write English as a second or third
language, so it's not fair to rank on them for their less-than-perfect
command of that language.
2) If you choose to ignore that admonition, please make sure that *your*
command of English is up to snuff before doing so. (The proper
contraction of "you are" is "you're", not "your".)
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From: "James Gillett" <gilletts@enterprise.net>
Subject: (yello) In defence.......
Date: 20 Aug 1997 11:47:46 +0100
>The idea that we might exist within some kind of microcosmos which
in relation to the universe as a whole is the equivalent of a single
raindrop
or grain of sand is hardly a new idea.
Of course this isn't a new idea! I was merely stating that a paradox had
been put forward!
>Even in the film 'Men in Black' part
of the plot revolves around.........
Oh dear, is this the cultural level of Yello fans?
>All sorts of events occur at a subatomic or micro-biological level that in
a
relative sense could be considered the equivalent of a 'Big Bang'
No. Not really. The area dedicated to this branch of physics is Quantam
Mechanics which involves the study of the sub-atomic particles such as
Quarks (and their several permutations), who's strange behaviour sees them
endlessly dashing in and out of existance.
>Significantly you fail to mention Arthur C Clarke !! Also the deliberately
portentous music Boris Blank creates as a backing for Dieter's words. There
is HUMOUR at work here !!
Using a prefix - in this case, the words 'such as' - it is common for a
list of "examples" to be stated.
Humour? I dare say Dieter was trying to make himself sound convincing.
Meanwhile Boris introduces the sound of an approaching helicopter, (2:18),
(yuk!) an ill-concieved piece of timing if ever there was one.
>it's more to do with the way that when we are confronted with
what we consider to be magic we are forced to look at things anew and
realise
that everything is not what we thought it to be.
This is a point that interests me. It is implied that (or should I say
'assumed') that what every human being doesn't undertsand, he or she
regards it as 'magic.' I disagree. There is a marked difference between
thinking something is magic, and thinking that it can be explained and
understood. What one does not know, is not neccessarily thought of as
magic. There are many tribes and cults for whom the act of creation can
only be given in reference to the Gods and the like, but please give us
Westerners more credit. And I am sure that we are not 'all' so assuming
about life.
>Dieter has stated that Yello treat the
studio as a child would and therefore view each new endeavour as a voyage
of
discovery.
Hmm, he's been saying this for some time. If they really were children
going into the studio to record, they would be running about, pressing
buttons, going 'Ga-ga', jumping off speakers and saying.."Ohh, I wander
what this button does............"
Their freshness, as I suggested is merely the use of different sounds at
different frequencies and timbres, used in such a way that creates enough
interest. I have trouble coping with the idea that Boris and Dieter are
really just two kids. I get a bit dissapointed when Boris simply
says..."I'm like a kid playing with a choo-choo train," in explanation for
a song. This is why I am looking forward to Jonas Worstad's book, which I
hope will provide some further answers.
I DON'T think 'PU' is a concept album anyway
(anymore than any other Yello album fits into this category) and that most
of
the UK reviews I read were ill-thought out and hardly worth the paper they
were written on.
To be fair to the reviewers, I think they had a point. To us hardened Yello
fans, Dieter's voice on 'Solar Driftwood', the opening of 'On Track', and
'Beyond Mirrors,' sounds unsurprising, but I'm sure that to a new listener,
he would sound like an apathetic, weary voice tagged on to the music.
Remember, when Zebra came out, there was much reference to Dieter's
'grinding' voice, and I think that if you listened to the albums as a new
listener you would agree with this. Songs such as 'Do It' were, *ruined* by
Dieter's voice growling throughout the track. I do often think that Yello
may be a small part of Dieter's life, and I wonder what it would have
been like for Boris to have had a greater acquaintance with other
singers.We can only imagine.....
> It does worry me that so many that so many of my fellow
countrymen (and women) seem to suffer from a humour by-pass. What anyway is
this nonsense about the concept album being approached with 'humility':
Let's face it, if Yello had just relied on humour for their sound they
wouldn't have lasted very long, would they? The proof is evident in their
evolution isn't it? 'Flag' did away with the over-polished tones of
'One-Second', while 'Baby,' added more colour to the Yello canvas. Do you
really think it was a coincidence the 'Zebra' concept was darker than Baby?
Pocket Universe has managed to capture the colour of Baby, but also the
darkness of Zebra. In effect, Zebra was too polished and perhaps
overworked, a bit like One Second. The contrast between what Yello takes
seriously and what they see as humour has defined their progression. Come
on, if they were still using sounds of 'farts' and 'raspberries' as in
'Rubberbandman' now in 1997, they would be regarded as something as a joke.
And that's what happens when you just live in a permenant state of humour:
you become a 'joke' - and it was important for Yello, (Dieter) in Beyond
Mirrors to say something quite significant about the Universe, in order for
them to adapt, otherwise they would have been written off long ago, and I
believe Dieter (however believable) wasn't joking in this track.
On a different note, I will not waste time criticizing and correcting your
many grammatical errors, as I feel that resorting to any kind of personal
insults, (particularly as an opening line), is a sign of weakness, and
doesn't contribute to any form of discussion.
James Gillett gilletts@enterprise.net
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From: ARWales@aol.com
Subject: Re: (yello) Pocket Universe & other matters
Date: 20 Aug 1997 14:31:53 -0400 (EDT)
After I had sent my note (in a state of some irritation), I did wonder about
the phrase I'd used, referring to what I called Mr Gillett's "dubious" use of
the English language. I wholeheartedly apologise for this statement. However,
I would like to point out that I used it because it was clear from Mr
Gillett's posting that he was a UK citizen whose first language was English -
I am obviously all too aware that many subscribers to this list are having to
write in what is their second or even third language and did not for one
second wish to make any implied criticism of anyone whose mastery of English
was less than perfect. I have nothing but the greatest admiration for anyone
who can communicate in another language apart from their native tongue and
hope by writing this to clear up any resultant misunderstanding. Of course
when you use a phrase like this people will look closely at what you've
written and not surprisingly sweltering under the summer heat I made a number
of textual errors myself - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
is a lesson I should have learnt long ago. Once again - humble apologies.
I suppose therefore I have only myself to blame for the supercilious tone Mr
Gillett adopts in his reply. I might have guessed that referring to a film
like 'Men in Black' would produce some comment about my 'cultural' level - it
was just an example for gods sake. Many of the other points are just matters
of subjective opinion so I won't engage in a protracted and probably futile
attempt to rebuff them - Mr Gillett's is perfectly entitled to his view
regarding the value or otherwise of Yello's music.
However, I do think he is very wrong to infer that children are not in
command of their actions. Childhood is a time of experimentation, a time when
we have not arrived at a set way of getting from A to B. Children are quite
capable of using or even creating tools to achieve certain ends: yes,
initially a child may perform a particular action almost 'blindly', but it is
also quite capable of taking note of what is achieved and learning from it.
Mr Gillett seems to imply that intelligence is something we only attain as
adults.
He also is too literal about the use of the word 'magic'. When I visited
Yosemite National Park, I was in complete awe of my surroundings as I tried
to more fully comprehend the sights that I was confronted with - it was a
unique magical experience. I could have said the same thing about the first
time I heard the Magnificat from Monteverdi's Vespers of 1610 or the
paintings of Mark Rothko. Does this place me on the level of some "savage"
tribe ? (which in itself is a somewhat dubious concept anyway). It's this
kind of "magic" that I think Dieter is referring to.
Humour exists everywhere in music. Listen to Haydn's Opus 33 String Quartets
or Mozart's "Le Nozze Di Figaro" - humour informs these compositions and is a
very important constituent element which the listener ignores at his/her
peril. But of course it is not their be all and end all. Yello are almost
unique in Pop/Rock music in their ability to consistently inject a level of
humour into their work that works at a level deeper than that of mere novelty
or contrivance. Of course, they have a serious side and of course the songs
convey a panoply of emotions - that is why I will never tire of listening to
them.
Finally, certain themes will always run through an artist's work but in that
case you could view every album that has been released as a concept album. Mr
Gillett has yet to state any real argument as to why we should treat the
songs on 'PU' as in someway linked together in same way as say those that
made up that overblown and bombastic album by Pink Floyd 'The Wall'.
Andrew Wales
ARWales@aol.com
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From: Patty Whisenant <dpmayer@students.wisc.edu>
Subject: (yello) The Paradox of Yello
Date: 20 Aug 1997 09:52:11 -0500
There ain't nothin' wrong with paradox (or bad grammer, for that matter).
I believe ol' Dieter and Boris may simply be expressing there Nimietism, a
philosophy wherin paradox is not only accepted but encouraged. I will not go
into the finer points of Nimietism here, which I believe is in some capacity
a central idea in Yello. But please look at the following site:
http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~tft/ideol.html
Where Nimietism is explained in greater detail.
Davy
Patty Whisenant
Madison Area Technical College
Voice: (608) 246-6056
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From: "James Gillett" <gilletts@enterprise.net>
Subject: (yello) Yello : Pocket Universe
Date: 20 Aug 1997 21:14:09 +0100
>>Many of the other points are just matters
of subjective opinion so I won't engage in a protracted and probably futile
attempt to rebuff them - Mr Gillett's is perfectly entitled to his view
regarding the value or otherwise of Yello's music.
Woh! Hang on. There is absoloutley *no* way that I would ever ignore the
subjectivity of liking or dis-liking any piece of art (or whatever art is.)
One of the most valuable things about 'forums' is that there is a chance
for opinions to be heard, however convincing. There would be little point
in contributing to this list if I detested Yello.
>>initially a child may perform a particular action almost 'blindly', but
it is
also quite capable of taking note of what is achieved and learning from it.
Mr Gillett seems to imply that intelligence is something we only attain as
adults.
I'm not too sure what you are trying to say here, and I must point out that
you may have mis-understood my point. At no time did I mention that the
child would be totally unaware, with a total inability to learn. I think
the most useful analogy here is to suggest that Boris and Dieter simply
have the ability to approach sound itself with a fresh ear.
>>Mr Gillett has yet to state any real argument as to why we should treat
the
songs on 'PU' as in someway linked together in same way as say those that
made up that overblown and bombastic album by Pink Floyd 'The Wall'.
Again I must *stress* that the idea that Pocket Universe was a 'concept'
album, wasn't an argument put forward by me. I did *not* state that it was
a concept album. I believe that it was 'Q Magazine', that stated: 'trying
to convey a concept album about the planets, oceans and the universe with
banality and without humility will win no favours.....'
It is not my concern as to whether PU is a concept album or not. However,
since you 'insist' on pursuing this matter, there is evidence to support
the case that it is: for example, the very fact that Dieter created the
Pocket Universe exhibition at the Munich Planeterium. I agree - every album
could be labelled as concept, but remember, this wasn't what I stated, it
was the impression of the British press. (It would be interesting to
compare reviews from other countries too.)
>>I believe ol' Dieter and Boris may simply be expressing there Nimietism,
a
philosophy wherin paradox is not only accepted but encouraged. I will not
go
into the finer points of Nimietism here, which I believe is in some
capacity
a central idea in Yello.
Yes. I think paradox, or dare I say irony is key to Yello. The best example
I can think of at the moment is Dieter's Tracklisting of Beyond Mirrors at
their new Web-Site. What I find clever on Dieter's part is that he regards
the readers of popular science, the Stephen Hawking fans out there etc, as
''buying into the subject out of fear as a substitute religion.'' Notice
that he doesn't state whether religious cults, or the popular science are
"right" in their philosophy. Instead he says the ex-boxer, ex-athlete
"knows the rest."
I think Dieter neatly avoids the issue by saying a bar-man knows just as
much about (if not more) the origins of the universe than any one else
-that it is futile to try and hope for an explanation. However, I do feel
that this is simply a way of avoiding the issue. Criticism is easy in such
an area as this, explanations are not.
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From: Jussi Salmi <jussalmi@utu.fi>
Subject: Re: (yello) In defence.......
Date: 20 Aug 1997 23:35:47 +0300 (EET DST)
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, James Gillett wrote:
> >The idea that we might exist within some kind of microcosmos which
> in relation to the universe as a whole is the equivalent of a single
> raindrop
> or grain of sand is hardly a new idea.
>
> Of course this isn't a new idea! I was merely stating that a paradox had
> been put forward!
About the idea behind it: Current scientific data contradicts it,
the similarities between an atom and a solar system, for example,
are not very striking. And there are obvious differences like the fact,
that in an atom, electrons can only circle the nucleus at a few,
constant orbits. Meanwhile, in star systems, planets can orbit at
any distance from the star. Of course it is possible to think, for
example, that our cosmos is, for example, inside of a huge electron,
belonging to a huge atom. Well, but I think that the theory about
quarks, the elements of electrons might deny that possibility...
Anyhow, this may not have much to do with Yello. I agree with the
more romantic view of their songs. I don't think they are proposing
a new theory, I think they just want to make you dream a little bit,
and keep your minds open. Excuse me my bad English - but I bet I
have better command of Finnish than most of you, with the possible
exception of Juhana.
> Let's face it, if Yello had just relied on humour for their sound they
> wouldn't have lasted very long, would they?
You are right, their main assets are their talents.
I'd say they are rich and cultivated enough not to bother about the music
business way of doing music - the music business nowadays only follows
certain song templates and has absolutely nothing new and exciting to give
to music listeners. It's all money, money money... Modern mainstream songs
and bands are absolutely worthless.
Jussi Salmi --- jussalmi@utu.fi
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) In defence.......
Date: 20 Aug 1997 22:36:35 +0200
> I get a bit dissapointed when Boris simply
> says..."I'm like a kid playing with a choo-choo train," in
explanation for
> a song. This is why I am looking forward to Jonas Worstad's book,
which I
> hope will provide some further answers.
Exactly what do you mean by "in explanation for a song"?
There are different ways of interpreting that.
JW
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: (yello) In defence.......
Date: 21 Aug 1997 12:24:49 +1000
At 11:47 AM 20/08/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Meanwhile Boris introduces the sound of an approaching helicopter, (2:18)
Wasn't it a passing blender? :)
>... and I wonder what it would have
>been like for Boris to have had a greater acquaintance with other
>singers.We can only imagine.....
or listen to The Rhythm Divine, Capri Calling, To The Sea, Ouad el Habib...
Mark
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From: "James Gillett" <gilletts@enterprise.net>
Subject: (yello) Yello
Date: 21 Aug 1997 11:15:45 +0100
Jussi Salmi writes:
>> the music business nowadays only follows
certain song templates and has absolutely nothing new and exciting to give
to music listeners. It's all money, money money... Modern mainstream songs
and bands are absolutely worthless.
I cannot help but agree with you here: the music business has slowly become
more of a money-orientated system. As far as gaining popularity in the
music charts, - many records are chosen on the basis of their marketing
value. There are many examples I can think of and I'm sure we could discuss
this endlessly. Many of the so called popular bands around now, are just as
much concerned with image than anything else.
Merchandising, touring, publicity, anything that can grab the attention of
the mass-media is bound to do well.
Personally, I thought that music began to lose its value when attention
was turned away from the artists themselves, onto DJ's. It's almost as if
the public cannot tell the difference between the people who create the
sound (artist) and the people who simply have a (talent??!!) for mixing two
pieces of vinyl together on a deck at a nightclub. We've all been dismayed
by the less than listenable re-mixes of Yello that appear on their singles,
(remember 'Sabres of Paradise' mix of Jungle Bill?)
What Hands On Yello proved, if nothing else, was that when you're trying
to remix something like Yello - you're bound to find it difficult.
Can we simply conclude that the anonymity of today's music, and the
marketing led music industry, are a sign that it is a reflection of
culture? Clubbing, is a way of life for some people, hence DJ's are seen
as more important. I despair at groups that have one-hit wonders, and then
fade into obscurity.
>>Jonas Worstad writes:
Exactly what do you mean by "in explanation for a song"?
There are different ways of interpreting that.
It's just that it would be great to know what Boris was thinking when he
was constructing a great track, - like 'Celsius.' It has a great tribal
feel, and the 'chants' carry enough weight to appear '3-Dimensional,' Of
all the tracks I find this one the most visual. Then again, was Boris
paying homage to Jam & Spoon in 'More,' or was he writing this specifically
for the dancefloor? But, I cannot help but feel, that if we expect to
scientifically dissect Yello songs,are we losing sight of what Yello is all
about, is all the fun being taken away? This is why I think Jonas will
find the book a challenge. Writing the band's history may not be a problem,
compiling discographies, articles and 'facts' may be easy to translate
into a book, however, the real core of the Yello 'enigma' is how the sound
translates to us, as the listener, what it creates visually. Perhaps it is
the very philosophy of 'Yello' that will be the hardest to translate. Good
Luck.
James gilletts@enterprise.net
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From: Juhana K Kouhia <kouhia@nic.funet.fi>
Subject: Re: (yello) In defence.......
Date: 21 Aug 1997 20:20:11 +0300
[ James Gillett wrote: ]
> I get a bit dissapointed when Boris simply
> says..."I'm like a kid playing with a choo-choo train," in explanation for
> a song. This is why I am looking forward to Jonas Worstad's book, which I
> hope will provide some further answers.
[ Jonas wrote: ]
>Exactly what do you mean by "in explanation for a song"?
>There are different ways of interpreting that.
Jonas, what kind of interpretations you have taken in your book?
I agree with James. There is boorly info about how Boris actually works.
I have made guesses that Boris makes loop-patterns as audiofiles which
he then mixes. You would work the same way if you take the provided sample
collections and try the remixing yourself. Look for the Soundstation
on their webpage and "Break, Beats & Loops" from the How How CD single
(ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/culture/music/western/Yello/samples/yellobbl.mp3).
For a few recent days I have actually analysed the Premix (How How) remix
in hope to reveal how Boris made the Premix, assuming he used also those
BBL samples. By the way, BBL is lacking of the samples needed to make the
complete Premix, sad.
If you're interested in helping me in analysing the Premix, please mail me.
If not, then you could later read my report on the Premix analysis.
Practically, I'm breaking the Premix mainly to 8 and 16 beats parts and try
to find what those loop-patterns are and how they are used.
Juhana
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: (yello) Book
Date: 21 Aug 1997 21:48:19 +0200
> Jonas, what kind of interpretations you have taken in your book?
I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. There will
be no "interpretations" in my book, in the sense that
I will not give my personal opinions on anything.
I will, however, ask Boris about each track, how he
created it, and so forth, and I really hope he will
put up with me! We're talking *days* here, days of
intense interviewing. JW
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From: FGriego@aol.com
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello : Pocket Universe
Date: 21 Aug 1997 16:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
Apparently we all suffer from an incessant desire to break things down
to their most basic component whether it be a recording, or one anothers
comments.
Art and the appreciation of it is subjective. We've seen opinions vary
regarding
"Pocket Universe" from full blown child-like enthusiam to the other end of
the
spectrum- stunning disappointment. The same package delivered to a different
address reaps different results.
Science on the other hand is objective and one tenant that perpertuates it is
that
no component can ever fully understand itself.
As Boris uses sound samples as a foundation for his music, Deiter has used
similar 'phrase samples' whose basic component, in this case, refer to
science.
When a public discussion room deteriorates to the point of intellectual
muscle flexing, one can rest assured that no furniture will be broken in the
process.
"Guys, this ain't Rocket Science- it's Rock n Roll." George
Martin to the Beatles as they quarreled about what color to use on the cover
of the White Album.
Best, FG
If you must know- it's called Levoxyl and I take one tablet a day whether I
need it or not.
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From: ARWales@aol.com
Subject: (yello) various matters
Date: 21 Aug 1997 21:48:08 -0400 (EDT)
Mark Pulley wrote:
>also Mozart's "A Musical Joke".
>Maybe Haydn's "Farewell" Symphony
It's a wonderful piece of music. Why not try Gavin Bryar's "Farewell to
Philosophy" which quotes from Haydn's 44th and 22nd symphonies, or Alfred
Schnittke's "MOZART a la Haydn" (I think that's the correct title of the
piece) if you want to carry this line of thought further. I did however try
to quote examples whose resonance rested on something more than just their
humorous content, I think some people unfortunately got the impression that I
was saying that humour was the be all and end all of Yello when I meant that
it was a very important constituent element to their music, that needs to be
recognised. It also manifests itself in more subtle ways than say the burps
on "Pinball Cha Cha".
Jussi Salmi wrote:
>Anyhow, this may not have much to do with Yello. I agree with the
>more romantic view of their songs......Excuse me my bad English - but I bet
I
>have better command of Finnish than most of you, with the possible
>exception of Juhana.
Thank you, this probably what I was trying to say all along but you have
expressed it more succinctly. I do hope however that my second posting made
it quite clear, that I would never seek to criticise anyone's use of the use
English language when I know it is not their mother tongue. Please do not
think I am trying ingratiate myself in any way, but you do yourself an
extreme disservice by referring to your "bad" English. I can't however agree
with your views vis-a-vis "modern" music - there are plenty of new artists
producing music that is both interesting and challenging. Try: Mouse on Mars,
Lamb, Jim White, Ui or Kreidler to name just a few (indeed what about your
fellow countrymen: Panasonic).
Jame Gillett wrote:
>One of the most valuable things about 'forums' is that there is a chance
>for opinions to be heard, however convincing. There would be little point
>in contributing to this list if I detested Yello.
I absolutely agree. I was actually referring more to opinions as to the
relative merits of individual tracks or albums. If all the contributions to
this list simply consisted of individuals stating whether they thought this
track was bad and this one was good, the whole exercise would be somewhat
futile. I was merely referring to the fact that you had made comments about
Dieter's "singing" and the value or otherwise of certain albums or songs
which I didn't necessarily agree with, but that I didn't see the point in
saying "well actually I like this song" or whatever. All my discussion with
you has been over matters of interpretation, not whether "Beyond Mirrors" is
actually a "good" or a "bad" song.
also:
>At no time did I mention that the
>child would be totally unaware, with a total inability to learn.
But you did state: "If they really were children
going into the studio to record, they would be running about, pressing
buttons, going 'Ga-ga', jumping off speakers and saying.."Ohh, I wander
what this button does............" " - which implies to me that you feel that
a "child" wouldn't create anything at the end of the day of any particular
value. You then went onto say how the idea that Dieter and Boris might see
themselves as two kids troubled you. I was trying to point out that they see
themselves as children in the sense, that children tend to suffer less from a
fixed view of things and are more open to different and new possibilities.
Finally:
>Again I must *stress* that the idea that Pocket Universe was a 'concept'
>album, wasn't an argument put forward by me. I did *not* state that it was
>a concept album.
You'll forgive me but in your original posting you stated: "It's almost as
if, in attempting to construct a concept album which
concerns the notions of the planets, the oceans and the universe itself". You
clearly at the very least sympathise with this notion and can therefore
hardly blame me for latching onto this. By the way given that Q Magazine
(which it's probably obvious I have little or no time for) does not represent
the British music press in it's entirety, I'm somewhat curious to know which
are the other publications that you feel arrived at a similar conclusion.
From what I can remember reviews in "The Guardian", "Time Out" and on
Teletext made no mention of the fact that they thought "PU" was a concept
album. Anyway enough's enough as far as this particular line of thought is
concerned.
Whatever I had a sackful of wine to-night and it's very late so hopefully
this makes some kind of sense, so please forgive any obvious shortcomings
contained herein.
Regards
Andrew Wales
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From: "James Gillett" <gilletts@enterprise.net>
Subject: (yello) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:46:19 +0100
Date: 22 Aug 1997 04:46:36 -0600
Andrew Wales writes:
>> I would never seek to criticise anyone's use of the use
English language when I know it is not their mother tongue
Even if such a language is the mother tongue of a list contributor - to
outwardly criticize them if they *are* less than perfect is a sign that you
are more concerned about discretionary grammatical errors, rather than a
good 'ol discussion on Yello. Now - if we were all fellows of a well
respected Linguistics institute or academic body devoted to discussing
'phonetics' or 'syntax', then maybe I'd take back my case. Let's talk about
Yello.
>>which implies to me that you feel that
a "child" wouldn't create anything at the end of the day of any particular
value.
I can't really be responsible for the way in which something is
interepreted, or how something is (as you often suggest 'inferred'), but
what I stated, is markedly distinct form saying that a child could not
produce something of value. In fact, this goes against common sense.
>>By the way given that Q Magazine
(which it's probably obvious I have little or no time for) does not
represent
the British music press in it's entirety,
Of course, this would be entirely mis-leading. I also read what 'Select,'
'NME',and 'mix-mag', (among others which I cannot remember the names of)
had to say about PU. However, it is still mis-leading on my part to state
that a 'sample' in this case represents the 'population.' Sampling error I
think they call it...but why is it 'obvious' you have no time for 'Q
Magazine?'
F Griego writes:
>>When a public discussion room deteriorates to the point of intellectual
muscle flexing, one can rest assured that no furniture will be broken in
the
process.
I must come back to you on this. How can a discussion 'deteriorate,' when
intellectual muscles are being flexed? I thought that was the whole point
of the 'discussion.' I'm sure that it would be great to have in-depth talks
about Yello, aswell as the disclosure of information over release dates
etc.Also, I'd rather have a chair that is in one-piece to sit on, in such a
discussion.
>>it's called Levoxyl and I take one tablet a day whether I
need it or not
>> I had a sackful of wine to-night and it's very late....
Oh dear, I hope these 'influences' aren't clouding the judgement of our
Yello fans.
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From: ARWales@aol.com
Subject: (yello) A FINAL Response
Date: 23 Aug 1997 11:23:26 -0400 (EDT)
James Gilletts wrote:
>Even if such a language is the mother tongue of a list contributor - to
>outwardly criticize them if they *are* less than perfect is a sign that you
>are more concerned about discretionary grammatical errors, rather than a
>good 'ol discussion on Yello.
I felt the need to stress this fact about whether or not English was the
mother tongue of the contributor as a result of the posting from Lazlo
Nibble. I am the last person to be interested in "discretionary grammatical
errors". A large part of my initial irritation resulted from the fact, that
if you were going to use statements like "the alert amongst you" (implying an
assumed superiority over those who may well not share your avid interest in
scientific theory), you could have at least taken greater care to express
yourself better than you did. Especially given that many of your audience may
well not be fluent English speakers. Whatever.... I quickly made a wholehearte
d apology and given no-one was pointing a gun at my head at the time, I
really do think that should be an end to the matter.
>but what I stated, is markedly distinct form saying that a child could not
>produce something of value. In fact, this goes against common sense.
I'm sorry, but why is this so ? It is perfectly reasonable to infer from your
statement that nothing of value would be produced. If two individuals just
pressed buttons on machines in the haphazard way you described, that would
undoubtedly be the end result. Why does it "trouble" you that Boris and
Dieter might see themselves as "children" or more precisely as trying to
approach their "work" through the eyes of a child ?
>...but why is it 'obvious' you have no time for 'Q
>Magazine?'
Perhaps because I was so scathing about that comment re: concept albums which
you quoted, and stated that you agreed with to some extent. Although given
what I had written up to that point, "obvious" wasn't exactly the best word
to use, however it was early in the morning and my facilties were becoming
increasingly impaired. Not only do I find most of the journalism in "Q" (when
I do see it) smug and supercilious, I also have no time for the conservative
agenda both it and it's sister magazines pursue. Yourself and Jussi Salmi
both bemoaned the state of contemporary music, that you do so, I would argue,
is not helped by magazines like these. "The Wire", for instance, does contain
a lot of pretentious drivel, but it also is a useful source for a great deal
of reliable information about current trends in new music.
If you do wish to take me up any further on these points, I would suggest you
mail me direct, as this discussion has only now only the most tenuous
relevance to Yello and is consequently of only very limited interest to other
members of this list.
Andrew Wales
ARWales@aol.com
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From: Mark Pulley <z2103039@student.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: (yello) C'est moi...
Date: 27 Aug 1997 11:27:22 +1000
Hey, it's suddenly gone quiet...
Quick question - Does anyone know if the 12 inch version of Carlos Peron's
"C'est moi..." is different to the CD single?
Mark
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From: "Jonas Warstad" <jonwar@algonet.se>
Subject: (yello) Carlos Peron CDs
Date: 28 Aug 1997 18:11:59 +0200
I visted a huge CD shop recently and they
had about 10 different Carlos Peron CDs
in stock, in case you're a collector. Fair priced.
http://www.skivhugget.se
Best, JW
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