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utah-firearms-digest    Tuesday, September 11 2001    Volume 02 : Number 216




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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:24:44 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Times for Saturday

Hi Charles

Do you know what time the festivities start on Saturday Morning?

Thanks
David


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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:10:00 -0600
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Times for Saturday

Credentialing starts at 9.

I think the convention starts at 10.

If you'd like to help any candidates, we can use help as early as 7.

Let me know.

Charles

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> Do you know what time the festivities start on Saturday Morning?
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> Thanks
> David
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:00:01 -0600
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Great Convention - THANK YOU!

Thank you to those who participated and helped in any way with the
convention.  It turned out to be a good day for gun rights.

Here is UTGOA's report...

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From: Sarah Thompson <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:49:26 -0600
Subject: [UTGOA] Great Convention - THANK YOU!
Thanks to all of you for your help in making yesterday's Republican State

Convention a rousing success!

Election results (provided by Dana Dickson)

Joe Cannon - 1091 Glen Davis - 762
Frank Guliuzza - 883 Candace Daly - 845
Miriam Harmer - 1016 Camille Cook - 528
Mike McCauley - 1568 Kyle Larsen - 205

Congratulations to the new officers.  We look forward to working with
you.


Resolutions

Gun Rights Resolution - PASSED
Jury Plank Resolution - PASSED
American Sovereignty Resolution - PASSED


Constitution & Bylaws

State Central Committee C&B amendment(opposed by UTGOA) - DEFEATED
Dickson C&B amendment(supported by UTGOA) - REFERRED to C&B committee
Closed primary amendment (no UTGOA position) - PASSED


Rules
Voting Rules amendment - PASSED
Quorum amendment - FAILED (but the quorum was kept throughout the
Convention, so this had no effect)
Instant Runoff Voting - PASSED (and was used very successfully)


Safe Storage

Safe Storage of weapons at the convention was a resounding success!
There
were 25 weapons checked by 24 people - mostly firearms, but also a few
knives.  There were no problems whatsoever.

To our knowledge this is the first time citizens have been able to bring
firearms to an event attended by the president or vice president.  We
hope
that we've successfully demonstrated that there is no conflict between
the
right of ordinary citizens to carry firearms for their own safety, and
the
ability of the Secret Service to protect visiting dignitaries.  We
encourage gun owners throughout the rest of this great nation to insist
on
similar arrangements whenever such events are scheduled.

In addition to local media coverage in the Salt Lake Tribune, Deseret
News,
and the Spectrum, there was national coverage from the New York Times and

Associated Press.

See http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/politics/26CHEN.html for the NY
Times
story and
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61756-2001Aug25.html for
the
AP report as it appeared in the Washington Post and
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010825/pl/life_guns_dc_1.html for the
Reuters story.


THANK YOU!

Victories of this magnitude take the hard work of a great many people.

Utah Gun Owners Alliance would like to thank the following people:

Republican State delegates, especially those of you who kept your
commitment to stay to the end of the 7 hour convention - often without
lunch, or even a break.  You have earned the gratitude and respect of all

Republicans and all gun owners.

Our many WONDERFUL volunteers who stood out in the hot sun making sure
delegates got copies of our Utah Gun Owners Alliance Convention Guide.
We
were especially happy to have so many young people who cared enough to
help.

The 24 people who checked weapons, proving that safe storage is needed,
and
that it poses no threat to anyone.

Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, for arranging for (and paying for!) the
safe storage lockers and security.

Jade Pusey of the Attorney General's office and Clark Aposhian of US-DIN
for manning the safe storage area, and helping everything to go smoothly.

The Secret Service, the Sandy City Police, and Utah GOP Executive
Director
Scott Parker for their cooperation.

The sponsors of the many excellent Rules proposals, Constitution & Bylaws

amendments and Resolutions.

The candidates for State Party offices - especially those who cared
enough
to complete the UTGOA questionnaire.

ALL of you - our UTGOA members and supporters for your active involvement

and ongoing commitment to protecting and restoring our gun rights.
Without
your phone calls, emails, letters, and your moral and financial support,
we
would not be able to accomplish anything!

THANKS!  WE APPRECIATE YOU!


Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:34:23 -0600
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Federal census suit

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Not a gun issue, but of interest...

At 9:00 am tomorrow (8/29), Utah State will be appearing in Federal
District
Court in Salt Lake (Rm. 420) before a three-judge panel to argue round
two of
our case against the US Census Bureau for their arbitrary and unlawful
actions which unquestionably denied Utah its fourth Congressional seat.

This is the suit that argues Utah lost the 4th seat due to the use of
"imputation" (statistical sampling)
in NC.

If you get this in time and want to show up, it may be interesting and a
nice show of support.

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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:23:58 -0600
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: GOP Closes primaries

This is not strictly a gun issue.  However, if you consider yourself a
Republican it may affect your ability to vote in primary elections.

You may have read in the paper or heard on the news that at last
Saturday's State Republican Convention, the delegates chose to "close"
the Republican primaries.  What does that mean?  Not a whole lot, but a
little history will put it into perspective and, I hope, dispel some of
the fear and anger that some reporters seem to want to spread.

Until now, primary elections in Utah were "open."  This meant that
anyone, of any, or no official, political affiliation could vote in the
primary election of any party.  When you went to your polling place on
primary election day you were simply handed a ballot.  Once you were
inside the voting booth you could decide which primary (Republican,
Democrat, Libertarian, etc) you wanted to vote in.  You could only vote
in one party's primary, but you could pick ANY one party you wanted to.

This has allowed for what is known as "cross over voting."  Because the
Democrats (and most smaller parties) often do not have enough candidates
for office (or eliminated all but one candidate in their convention) they
frequently do not have a primary election.  So it was becomming common
for Democrats and others to "cross over" to vote in the Republican
primary.  Republican delegates have decided they don't want
non-Republicans helping to pick which Republican will appear on the
general election ballot.  As one Republican has said, "When I played High
School football, we never asked our cross-town rivals to help us pick our
team captains.  Why should Republicans be letting Democrats help pick our
party's standard bearers?"

By "closing" their primary (as allowed under State law), the Utah
Republican Party will now only let *Registered* Republicans vote in their
primary elections.  In other words, rather than being handed a ballot and
allowed to vote in any primary race, a voter will now be handed a
specific ballot and allowed to vote in the Republican primary only if the
voter is registered Republican.

To those who have lived in other States, this is completely normal and
natural.  But to Utahns it is a bit of a change.  Somethig like 70% of
our registered voters are officially unaffiliated.  Unless you are
*actively* involved in a political party--such as delegate or precinct
officer--odds are pretty good that you are officially unaffiliated.  The
fact that you may have voted for Bush (or Gore) in the last election does
not matter.  Your actual votes are (always have been and will continue to
be) secret.  The only way to register with one party or another is on an
official, voter registration form.  This does not cost anything (other
than 2 minutes to fill out the form and a stamp if you choose to mail it
in) and anyone may register with any party.  If you are not sure whether
you are registered with a party, call your county clerk (see below for
link to contact info).

For the 2002 primary election only (the primaries this year are all
non-partisan so this change does not affect them) you will be able to
register as a Republican at your polling place immediately prior to
voting, if you want to vote in the Republican Primary.  However, barring
a change to State law, come the 2004 primary (the next Presidential
election year), you will have to have been registered as a Republican for
several weeks prior to the primary in order to vote in the Republican
primary election.

None of this affects general elections in any way.  You will not need to
be registered with any party to vote in the general elections.  At this
time, the Democrats and other parties continue to have "open" primaries
so anyone is free to vote in those primaries on the somewhat rare
occassions they occur.

If you consider yourself a Republican, I urge you to go ahead and update
your voter registration to declare affiliation with the Republican party
so you will know that you are all set to vote in the GOP primary next
year.  Regardless of affiliation, I urge you to vote in whatever primary
your party has.  The primary elections have VERY low voter turnout and
so, a relatively small number of gun owners voting (or choosing to stay
home and not vote) can easily affect the outcome of the race.  Show up at
the primaries so that you have a good, pro-gun candidate on the general
election ballot.  It is frustrating to show up to a general election and
have to select between a gun grabbing Democrat and a gun hating
Republican simply because good, pro-gun candidates were eliminated in the
primary election.

An official voter registration form that is good for anywhere in the
State is available at
<http://governor.state.ut.us/lt_gover/Registration.PDF>.  It will need to
be printed, filled out, signed, and mailed to your county clerk.   A list
of addresses for all county clerks is available at
<http://www.governor.state.ut.us/lt_gover/97Clerks.htm>.

For more information you can call your county clerk, the State elections
office at [phone] or 1(800)995-VOTE, or reply and I'll see if I can
help.

Charles Hardy
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:35:19 -0600
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Sniper rifles: the lethal - and legal - weapons of war

The latest "evil gun" tactics.  Look for legislation to ban or
over-regulate these weapons, probably based on something like simply
caliber.  Then next thing you know, your .50 cal Desert Eagle or maybe
even your .45 is considered a "pocket rocket" and banned.  Just because
you may not own, or ever want to own such a weapon, don't let the antis
get us again with divide and conquer.  First it was short shot guns and
fully automatic weapons.  Next it was semi-auto scary-looking guns like
the AR and SKS.  Let them take out .50 cal rifles today, and your
children will wake up to find that their 30.06 scoped hunting rifle has
been reclassified as a dangerous sniper rifle.

Charles

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Care for a dose of statist propaganda?

Sniper rifles: the lethal - and legal - weapons of war
By Tom Diaz
KNIGHT RIDDER TRIBUNE

Have you heard about the booming sale of .50-caliber sniper rifles on the
civilian market? Consider what one writer had to say about these guns,
capable of slicing through an inch of armor plate as if it were so much
butter:

"How can anyone exaggerate .50-caliber performance? Here's a bullet that
even
at 1 1/2 miles crashes into a target with more energy than Dirty Harry's
famous .44(-caliber) Magnum at point-blank. But tremendous energy can
hardly
be surprising for a cartridge that's five times larger than a .30-06 -
indeed, its 750-grain projectile is almost twice that of many elephant
gun
cartridges.

"Overpenetration concerns? Dave Bush, an Indiana City, Michigan, loader
of custom .50-caliber match rounds, reports he test-fired his bullets at
simulated wooden frame houses and found they blew completely through six
houses - not six walls, six houses!"

Six houses? Oh, come on. But wait a minute. This quote isn't the ranting
of some gun control advocate in full hysteria. This is matter-of-fact
descriptive prose, straight from "The Ultimate Sniper," a magisterial
book by Maj. John J. Plaster, widely acknowledged as an expert within
the burgeoning sniper community.

Plaster is right. It is indeed almost impossible to exaggerate the
lethality
of these weapons of war. Barrett Manufacturing, a pioneer maker of the
big
sniper rifles, calls them "heavy firepower for light infantry." It brags
that
its rifles "allow sophisticated targets to be destroyed or disabled by a
single soldier. Armored personnel carriers, radar dishes, communications
vehicles, aircraft . . . are all vulnerable to the quick strike
capability of
the Barrett 82A1."

Translate that into civilian terms and you have the perfect weapon for
assassination and terrorism, for taking out armored limousines, shooting
down helicopters, and destroying physical infrastructure. And yet
.50-caliber sniper rifles sold by Barrett and a growing field of
companies are less regulated than handguns. A youth of 18 can legally buy
a .50-caliber sniper rifle. But only an adult of 21 can buy a handgun.

Most ordinary, normal Americans - even gun owners - are shocked to learn
these weapons of war are the hottest new item in the American civilian
gun
market. They are selling like hot cakes, all over America, and the price
is
dropping precipitously. If you can't find one in your local gun shop, you
can
find one in five minutes over the Internet. Or buy a video that
demonstrates
how to make one at home.

What is going on here?

Simply a new verse of an old song. The gun industry is the last consumer
product industry completely free of health and safety regulation. Toy
teddy
bears are subject to more product design regulation than any gun sold in
America. As a result, the gun industry is free to design and sell almost
anything it wants to boost its profits. Over and over again, it turns to
increased lethality - more firepower, more killing power - to rejuvenate
its stagnant and failing markets.

The .50-caliber rifle is the unthinkably dangerous extreme at the "bigger
is
better" end of the gun marketing spectrum. The so-called "pocket rocket"
is
the reckless extreme at the opposite end, the region of the mindless
"more
guns make us all safer" mantra. Pocket rockets are tiny, high-powered,
very
concealable handguns. (The term was coined by the Austrian company Glock,
a
major importer of handguns into the United States). They are specifically
designed to be carried on the person and to have maximum killing power
for
their size. A pocket rocket is a homicide waiting to happen.

The gun industry in America is like a shark. There is nothing personal
about
what a shark does to survive. It just does what is in its nature to do.
The
gun industry is the same way. It is full of otherwise perfectly nice
people
who will nevertheless keep on designing, making, and selling more and
more
deadly killing machines until we bring the industry under control.

The best way to bring the gun industry under control is to treat it like
every other consumer product industry in America. Firearms should be
subject
to the same basic standards for health and safety that we impose on every
other consumer product from pesticides to baby cribs to motor vehicles.

We need an independent federal agency - preferably in the Treasury
Department, which already has gun expertise - with broad authority to
apply
those basic standards and balance the public health and safety risks that
specific models of guns impose on the public against the benefits they
offer

Guns would not disappear under such a system, just as pesticides haven't
disappeared under the same kind of regulation. There would be plenty of
guns for recreation, hunting, and home defense. But Second Amendment
pornography like .50-caliber sniper rifles and pocket rockets would be
kept under the rocks where it belongs, and out of the civilian
marketplace.

Tom Diaz is the senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center
and author of "Making a Killing: The Business of Guns in America."
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:30:03 -0600
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Concealed weapons law praised

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Concealed weapons law is praised

CHARLESTON (AP) - When the state's concealed weapons law
was passed in 1996, critics feared gunslingers would be strolling
the streets of South Carolina, but authorities say the program has
worked effectively.

The law allows any South Carolina resident 21 or older with a clean
criminal record to obtain permits to carry guns in handbags,
briefcases or holsters. They must pass a training class and pay a
$50 fee for a background check and processing.

Many locations still prohibit concealed guns, including schools,
legislative buildings and any place with a liquor license.

Last year, nearly 11,000 people applied for the permits, and many
of those were license renewals.

"People are very aware of their right to have a permit and to carry a
firearm," said Capt. Joe Dorton, who oversees the State Law
Enforcement Division's regulatory department. "They are very
attentive to keeping their permit in good standing."

Former Gov. David Beasley signed the concealed gun bill into law
in 1996 despite concerns from critics that it would add trouble to
the state's gun culture. Dorton, however, said very few permit
holders have abused the privilege since the law was enacted.

"We have had a couple of instances of pointing a firearm, and one
instance where a firearm was fired at an acquaintance after a fight,"
Dorton said. In all the cases, the owner's permit was revoked, he
said.

Rep. Jeff Young, R-Sumter, the original sponsor of the bill, said the
legislation is working.

"The people who have gotten them have been very responsible," he
said. "Now you have 30,000 people trained with guns who may not
have been trained before. And the criminal still doesn't know who's
carrying."

Rep. Gilda Cobb-Hunter, D-Orangeburg, originally opposed the bill
because she feared it would lead to more armed citizens walking
the streets.

But she said Thursday that if "there's no evidence of abuse, I don't
have any opposition to the law remaining in place."

University of South Carolina criminologist Geoffrey Alpert said it's
still unclear whether the state's concealed weapon law is an
effective tool for deterring crime.

That's because violent crime is down in most categories, and no
one seems to have done any in-depth research into the issue since
it became law.

Dorton said he didn't have any data to support why the program is
gaining in popularity, although SLED suspected it was bound to
happen. "We don't do anything to encourage or discourage" people
signing up, he said.

But he added, "we knew there would be a pretty sizable base"
given the enthusiasm of gun owners.
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:25:41 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: URLs

ACLU says gun questions erode rights
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   Civil liberties advocates criticized a Denver appeals court
   for eroding Fourth Amendment protections by allowing police
   to ask stopped motorists whether they have a gun. "How many
   of these things have to happen before we realize we're
   living in a police state," asked an ACLU attorney. (09/07/01)
http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=749039&pic=none&TP=getarticle

Political science
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by Dave Kopel & Glenn Reynolds
   A National Academy of Sciences panel which will study the
   effects of firearms violence does not include in its
   goals searching out the benefits of gun ownership.
   Another example of politically rigged government
   science, write the authors. (08/29/01)
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel082901.shtml

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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:23:00 -0600
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [LPUtah] FW: ALERT:  Another Anti-gun Amendment Coming

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Calls Needed to Sink Another Anti-gun Schumer Amendment

(Thursday, September 6, 2001) -- They're baaack!

Yes, the Congress is back, and our liberties are under fire once
again.

You will remember that in July, Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) offered an
amendment to force the FBI to keep gun buyers names for at least 90
days.  After you guys contacted your Representatives, the Moran
amendment failed miserably by a vote of 268-161.

Now, Mr. Anti-Freedom himself -- Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer of
New York -- wants to require the FBI to register gun buyers.
Attorney General John Ashcroft recently reduced the registration
period to 24 hours, but Schumer & Co. want to ratchet that time
period back up to at least 90 days.  Sen. Schumer is reportedly
looking to offer his amendment to the Senate's
Commerce-Justice-State budget bill (S. 1215).

Gun owners should ask their Senators to vote AGAINST the Schumer
amendment.  Obviously, the best answer would be for Congress to
repeal the unconstitutional Brady registration law.  Short of that,
Congress should enact the original Smith amendment which passed the
Senate by a 69-31 vote in 1998.

The Smith language calls for the "immediate destruction" of ANY and
ALL information that might help identify lawful gun buyers.
Moreover, the bill specifically authorizes private individuals to
sue the FBI for registering gun owners and specifically offers to
compensate them for legal fees when they sue the FBI.

ACTION:  While the Senate could vote as early as today on this
amendment, it probably will not get to it until at least next
Tuesday.  Please use the prewritten text below to help direct your
comments to your Senators.  You can call your Senators at
202-224-3121. To identify your Senators, as well as to send a
message via e-mail, see the Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA website.


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Dear Senator:

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is planning to offer an amendment
forcing the FBI to violate the privacy of thousands upon thousands
of law-abiding Americans.  The Senator wants the FBI to keep the
names of decent gun buyers for at least 90 days.

I urge you to oppose this amendment should Sen. Schumer offer it to
the Commerce-Justice-State bill (S. 1215).

I think the Senate should reenact the Smith amendment from 1998 --
an amendment which passed by a 69-31 vote.  His language required
the "immediate destruction" of ANY and ALL information that might
help identify lawful gun buyers.

Gun Owners of America will be keeping me updated on this issue.

Sincerely,


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Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:25:59 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: 2ndAmendmentNews

   *  *  *  *     2ndAmendmentNews   *  *  *  *

WHITE HOUSE UNRESPONSIVE ON GUN BAN SUNSET
By Weldon Clark

This affects the nation. So far the Bush White House has refused to
answer the following letter from South Carolina Representative Dwight
Loftis. It is published here with his permission. They have also
refused to answer my personal letter on the same subject. It is up to
you to send in your letters to President Bush and your own congressman
to get them to stand up for our rights. E-mail will not do the job here.

DO NOT ASSUME THEY WILL TAKE OUR SIDE. Place them on record with your
own US mail letter. Also send your own letter to your own Congressman.

This ban effects almost all the rifles used in rifle competition (except
small bore) including the state and national matches, collecting and
guns used for hunting.

  From The 2ndAmendmentNews Team

Writing your CONGRESSMAN OR STATE LEGISLATORS can now be accomplished
at the speed of light.  Use URLs as follows:
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
Contacts for federal & state legislators
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm

You can call your two Senators at [phone] and your
Representative at [phone] at the Capitol Switchboard.

Here are the URLs for the United States Congress
Official list of House of Representatives members by state
http://clerkweb.house.gov/107/olm107.php3
Official list of House of Representatives members with phone numbers
http://clerkweb.house.gov/107/mcapdir.php3
Official list of House of Representatives members mailing addresses
http://clerkweb.house.gov/107/mbrcmtee/mailinglists/ASCIImemberlabels.txt
Here are the URLs for the United States Senate
Official list of members by state
http://www.senate.gov/senators/senator_by_state.cfm
Official list of members alphabetically dig on name to get address
Phone fax and e mail (the individual Senators have different pages)
http://www.senate.gov/senators/index.cfm

U. S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, U.S. Depart. Of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW Washington, DC 20530-0001
mailto:[e-mail]

President George W. Bush, The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW,
Washington, DC 20500 mailto:[e-mail]

Under Secretary Bolton U. S. Department of State 2201 C Street NW,
Washington,
DC 20520 [phone] mailto:[e-mail]

To spread the word call Rush Limbaugh at 800-282-2882 and callers may
call in from 12 noon to 3PM EST, M-F

Letter from House of Representatives State of South Carolina Dwight A.
Loftis District No. 19 û Greenville County August 16, 2001

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President George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC 20500

Dear President Bush:

It has come to my attention that some of your White House staff has
indicated that you support continuation of the so-called assault
weapons ban of 1994. I understand this band will sunset in 2004.

In 1994 Congress passed an importation and manufacture ban on the very
type firearms that the U.S. Supreme Court said were protected by the
Constitution in their U.S. vs. Miller decision in 1939.

The America people rewarded this unconstitutional behavior in Congress
by electing Republican majorities in both Houses in 1994 for the first
time in 40 years.

Your Attorney General John Ashcroft was reported to have said that an
exception to allow support of firearms laws is of compelling
government interest. I submit to you that in the case of the so-called
assault weapons ban, no such compelling government interest exist.

In the South Carolina General Assembly, I was the House sponsor of a
successful repeal of a ban on the ownership and possession of rifles,
pistols and shotguns that were made under contract to the United
States Government. This law covered many more firearms than the law in
California and the federal ban on so-called assault firearms.

Firearms owners were very pleased and there was no protest from the
media or anyone else. No additional crimes were credited to this
repeal. Nothing bad happened.

I would ask your consideration to allow this ban to sunset as
scheduled in 2004.

Sincerely, Dwight A. Loftis

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:15:13 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: MORNING OF HORROR

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:51:32 -0600
From: "L. Neil Smith" <[e-mail]>
To: "AAA JOHN C. TAYLOR" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MORNING OF HORROR

My server's claiming "too many recipients", which keeps me from
sending it to my address books. This worries me. Please pass this
on, far and wide.

N.

MORNING OF HORROR

By L. Neil Smith <mailto:[e-mail]>

Special to _The Libertarian Enterpise_


First of all, expect never to learn the truth about what happened
at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and elsewhere this morning
of September 11, 2001, any more than we did with regard to the
murders of Jack and Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, at Ruby
Ridge, Waco, or Oklahoma City. Ambiguity and uncertainty serve
far too many political interests.

Another certainty is that, although I'm told 50,000 people worked
in the World Trade Center, more innocent individuals will die
as a result of what the Old Media are lovingly referring to as
a "lockdown" of Manhattan and other places, than any acts of
terrorism that may have occurred. The military has just said
they'll shoot down any plane they see flying. Only one civilian
plane is in the air this morning, Air Force One; that's as grim
a warning of things to come as I can think of.

"Collateral" deaths won't just happen as a consequence, say, of
somebody with a heart attack being unable to get to a hospital,
but whenever and wherever some dumb kid in an army uniform gets
startled by a car backfiring and starts spraying everybody and his
pet poodle with automatic rifle fire. Or to whomever the martial
lawyers decide it's safe to liquidate using this foul mess as a
cover. Or, vastly more ominously, to people in the not-so-distant
future who decide they must resist the police state that will
inevitably result from these events.

It's extremely difficult to think coherently about long term
effects, let alone to get it all down in writing, when you learn
that, not only were hijacked commercial aircraft used to commit
these unspeakably evil acts, but that 90 passengers died
helplessly in the first plane, and others yet unnumbered may
have died in subsequent attacks. _Somebody_ has to think about
it, though, or this situation will be used to turn the Bill of
Rights off forever. Depending on the planning behind it, or who
did the planning, it may already be too late.

All airports have been shut down today, and I shudder to think
about what flying will be like from now on. The Clintons,
Schumers, and Waxmans will try to shut down the Internet,
calling it a breeding ground for terrorism. The Bushes and
Cheneys will "reluctantly" go along.

Rush Limbaugh will cheer them on.

What should those who value their freedom do? Every chance you
have, from this moment on, whether it's on talk radio, or on the
letters to the editor page, on the Internet while it's still
possible, or in communication with everyone you know -- it's time
for even the most apolitical to write to senators and congressmen
- -- emphasize two points:

First, inform them that closing down the First or Second or any
other Amendment is not an appropriate response to what's happened,
and that any politician or bureaucrat in office who attempts to
capitalize on today's horrors is committing the same sort of
blatantly criminal act I've always insisted must be punished
under Bill of Rights enforcement.

Second, these things happen to nations with imperial ambitions.
There has never been a major act of terrorism I know of that
hasn't resulted from an act of government that violated somebody's
rights. The way to keep this sort of thing from  happening again
is to stop those violations.

Hideously enough, my new novel _The American Zone_, scheduled to
be published next November by Tor Books, begins with an act very
similar to this one, carried out to force the creation of a
strong central government in the governmentless "North American
Confederacy" that figures in so many of my books. As anybody who
knows my work can safely predict, the evil scheme doesn't work
and the villains are defeated.

Life isn't as predictably pleasant as fiction. Happy endings are
few and far between. But it's important to act swiftly if we're to
preserve anything resembling the freedom that made this civilization
great.

Pass the word.


http://www.smith2004.org/

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