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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:04:14 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cut and paste email addresses for Representatives

I had someone ask for these so here they are.  This is, I believe, a full
list of house email addresses--excluding the private email addresses
listed by some reps.  It should be in a nice cut-and-paste format with
one address plus semi-colon seperator per line.  IOW, it should paste
directly into the blind carbon copy (bcc) field of your email handler.

Please be a bit discriminate in sending emails to the entire legislature.
 If nothing else, sometimes you want to send different messages to
democrats and republicans or those who are likely to already support a
bill and those who are likely to already oppose a bill.  And make sure to
always use the bcc field rather than the to field.

Note that some email programs (EG Juno) limit the number of email
addresses that can be entered.  On these systems the list has to be done
in two or more pieces.

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:06:16 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Voting delayed due to computer glithes, one more night to call.

It seems that voting has been delayed at the capital due to a computer
glitch.  What the anti-gunners won't do to kill a bill. :)

So, if you have not yet contacted house leadership or your own
Representative in support of Donnelson's HB 376 S3 you have one more
evening to do so.  Please do.  If you have contacted them, consider
making a "follow up" call tonight just to ask how things went.  When they
tell you about the voting delay, make sure they will support the bill
tomorrow and will not let it be amended, further substituted, or even
bumped from its place on the agenda.  Once Gary Cox realizes that we are
one step ahead of him and he isn't going to be able to slip a bad
substitute or amendment through he may try to knock it off the agenda.

This is also a good opportunity to email, fax, and/or call in support of
Thompson's HB 264 which requires public schools to offer gun safety to
grades k - 6.

Contact info from previous message:

Phone messages for Speaker Stephens may be left by calling 801-538-1930.
Phone messages for all other House members may be left by calling
801-538-1029.  Ask that these mesages be "hand delivered."

Faxes may be sent to Republican House members at 801-538-1908.
Faxes may be sent to Democratic House members at 801-538-9505.
In either case make sure the legislator's name is in large, clear, print
on the first page of the fax.

- --------house leadership email addresses-----------------

[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail];
[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail]

- ------------------------------------------

- -------------Sample email / fax for HB 376 S3---------------------------
subject:  Please support HB 376 S3, please oppose all further substitutes
or amendments

Dear Honorable Representative;

I'm writing to ask you to support HB 376 S3 in its current form, as
intended by its sponsor, Rep. Donnelson.  Please oppose any further,
hostile efforts, from either side of the aisle, to substitute or amend
this good bill.  Please oppose any efforts to delay this bill or drop it
from
its priority on the agenda.

This bill will save Utahn's money and time.  It will also increase our
safety.  I consider this an extremely important bill.

Please ensure that it passes the house intact.

Please let me know your position on this bill.

Sincerely

name
address

- --------------------------------------------------------

- -----------------Sample email / fax for HB
264----------------------------

subject:  Please support HB 264 -- Gun Safety training

Dear Honorable Representative;

I'm writing to ask you to support HB 264 by Rep. Thompson.  This bill is
critically
important to the safety of our children and should be passed on to the
Senate.

Please see to it that the requirement that schools offer this valuable
safety training
is kept strong.  Sadly, most all schools have refused to teach or  allow
volunteers to teach this
material under the "may offer" language that is in current statute.

Please let me know your position on this bill.

Sincerely

name
address

- ------------------------------------

======================
Full list of Representatives' names home phone numbers, their home fax
number if available, and email addresses.  Please make use of these
tonight.

Dis Pty Name      Phone        Fax          E-Mail

01 D Anderson     435-854-3760
[e-mail]
02 R Ferry        435-744-2997 435-744-2999
[e-mail]
03 R Buttars      435-258-5015 435-258-2559
[e-mail]
04 R Pace         435-753-6154 435-753-5013
[e-mail]
05 R Parker       435-245-6275 435-245-7555
[e-mail]
06 R Stephens     801-731-5346 801-538-1908
[e-mail]
07 R Donnelson    801-782-2640
[e-mail]
08 R Murray       801-393-7062
[e-mail]
09 D Hansen       801-393-1514 801-392-8011
[e-mail]
10 D Shurtliff    801-479-0289
[e-mail]
11 R Saunders     801-476-1110
[e-mail]
12 R Adair        801-773-2125 801-773-9927
[e-mail]
13 R Ray          801-774-0624 801-778-8427
[e-mail]
14 R Bush         801-825-3210 801-825-3210
[e-mail]
15 R Aagard       801-546-3935 801-726-8500
[e-mail]
16 R Garn         801-544-3533 801-776-0214
[e-mail]
17 R Dillree      801-451-2773 801-451-6116
[e-mail]
18 R Barrus       801-292-7988
[e-mail]
19 R Allen        801-295-8576 801-402-5218
[e-mail]
20 R Siddoway     801-292-4185 801-294-4135
[e-mail]
21 D Gowans       435-882-2120
[e-mail]
22 D Duckworth    801-250-0728 801-252-1384
[e-mail]
23 D Bourdeaux    801-596-8784 801-596-9085
[e-mail]
24 D Becker       801-364-1656 801-355-2090
[e-mail]
25 D Daniels      801-582-8080 801-583-0802
[e-mail]
26 D Fife         801-521-7383 801-521-6456
[e-mail]
27 D Litvack      801-596-0187
[e-mail]
28 R Bradshaw     801-581-9646 801-581-9646
[e-mail]
29 D Goodfellow   801-968-0626 801-957-3380
[e-mail]
30 D Biskupski    801-484-8369
[e-mail]
31 D McCartney    801-466-3558
[e-mail]
32 R Bigelow      801-968-4188
[e-mail]
33 D Hendrickson  801-969-8920 801-955-5143
[e-mail]
34 R Holdaway     801-964-6360
[e-mail]
35 D Buffmire     801-266-1862
[e-mail]
36 R Tyler        801-272-1218 801-585-9291
[e-mail]
37 D Moss         801-272-6507
[e-mail]
38 D Cox          801-967-9760 801-562-2105
[e-mail]
39 D Beshear      801-957-0840 801-964-8080
[e-mail]
40 D Jones        801-278-7667 801-322-5725
[e-mail]
41 D Arent        801-272-1956 801-538-9505
[e-mail]
42 R Wallace      801-233-9041
[e-mail]
43 R Harper       801-566-5466
[e-mail]
44 R Bennion      801-281-1607 801-288-2144
[e-mail]
45 R Philpot      801-568-7787
[e-mail]
46 D Morgan       801-943-0067 801-943-9614
[e-mail]
47 R Holladay     801-280-6404 801-619-7019
[e-mail]
48 D Beck         801-572-2325 801-572-9347
[e-mail]
49 R Curtis       801-943-3091
[e-mail]
50 R Newbold      801-254-0142
[e-mail]
51 R Swallow      801-572-8201
[e-mail]
52 R Hogue        801-254-1668 801-253-7568
[e-mail]
53 R Ure          435-783-4650 435-783-4650
[e-mail]
54 R Snow         435-722-4162
[e-mail]
55 R Seitz        435-789-0650 435-789-1551
[e-mail]
56 R Cox          801-768-8759 801-768-8759
[e-mail]
57 R Winn         801-319-4471 801-226-5207
[e-mail]
58 R Ferrin       801-224-6823 801-235-9122
[e-mail]
59 R Thompson     801-226-5032
[e-mail]
60 R Bryson       801-226-2061
[e-mail]
61 R Dayton       801-221-0623 801-221-2513
[e-mail]
62 R Alexander    801-375-1092 801-852-2258
[e-mail]
63 R Clark        801-374-6927 801-375-1271
[e-mail]
64 R Lockhart     801-377-7428
[e-mail]
65 R Throckmorton 801-489-8342 801-489-8342
[e-mail]
66 R Way          801-798-2295
[e-mail]
67 R Peterson     435-623-2271
[e-mail]
68 R Styler       435-864-3077 435-864-5660
[e-mail]
69 D King         435-637-7955 435-637-2433
[e-mail]
70 R Johnson      435-529-3227 435-529-7444
[e-mail]
71 D Young        435-259-4542
[e-mail]
72 R Bowman       435-586-8174 435-586-8174
[e-mail]
73 R Hatch        435-676-2214 435-676-2421
[e-mail]
74 R Clark        435-628-5108 435-628-0178
[e-mail]
75 R Urquhart     435-673-4424
[e-mail]

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:50:17 -0700
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dems: Drop Gun Control

Some Democrats are seeing the light about "gun control":

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/frame/direct.asp?SITE=www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/sunday/news_13.html

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:15:28 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT!  Concealed carry, Gun Safety Ed, Hate Crimes

Sorry for the hiatus over the weekend, my computer was down.  Please read
and act on this infomation quickly.  We've only got three days to go.

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------

HB 376-S3 - CONCEALED FIREARMS PERMIT HOLDERS - RECOGNITION - DONNELSON

It has come to our attention that both USSC and GOUtah! have sent out
alerts which contain INCORRECT information about HB 376 S3.  They both
say
that Senators should support HB 376 S3 without amendments.

The truth is that UNLESS HB 376S3 is amended, it will NOT be passed this
year!

While we believe that these are innocent mistakes, resulting from our
request las week that the House pass this bill without amendments,
innocent
mistakes can have very serious consequences.  Despite our best efforts,
the
bill WAS amended and now it needs to be fixed.

Only Utah Gun Owners Alliance (UTGOA) and the Utah Self-Defense
Instructors
Network (US-DIN!) have been on the scene following this bill as it
changes
from minute to minute.  As a result, we have the most current
information.

HB 376S3 said that Utah would honor permits issued by any state or
county.

HB 376S3 Amended version says that Utah will honor permits by any state
or
county that requires a background check.

Here's the problem:  BCI would have to check with each of the more than
3000 states and counties in the US and learn what their firearms laws
are,
so they would know which permits to accept.  In addition, all (or almost
all) of these states and counties DO background checks, but many don't
REQUIRE it by law.  In fact, UTAH doesn't even require background checks
by
law.  As a result, these states and counties would not have their permits

honored, even though they perform background checks.

For BCI to check over 3000 agencies would cost a huge amount of money.
And
it's too late in the session for bills that require funding to be
passed.  So the legislature will have no choice but to KILL this bill.

Don't let this happen!  With YOUR help, we can get Concealed Carry
Recognition passed!

Please CALL your Senator and as many other Senators as you can manage and

ask them to SUPPORT HB 376S3 WITH FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS!  You can send
faxes
to 801-538-1414 (GOP) and 538-1449 (Dem).  You can also leave messages
Monday at the Capitol, 538-1035.

Please also remind Senators that you would like them to vote YES on HB
264
when it comes to the Senate.

CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ALL LEGISLATORS IS AT
http://www.utgoa.org/resources/legcontact01.html

You can also "Clip and Send" the following. Email is very unreliable this

late in the session so we suggest you FAX this.  Send faxes to
801-538-1414
(GOP) and 538-1449 (Dem).

*****************************

Subject: Vote YES on HB 376S3 WITH FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS, and YES on HB
264.

Dear Senator:

I am writing to ask you to vote YES on HB 376 S3 - Concealed Weapon
Permit
Holder Recognition by Rep. Glenn Donnelson.  Sen. Steven Poulton is the
Senate sponsor.  Because of some problems with the House language, this
bill needs to be amended, so please SUPPORT FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.

Please also vote YES on HB 264, Gun Safety Law Amendments by Rep.
Thompson.

Please respond and let me know how you intend to vote on these bills.  I
consider these two of the most important bills this session.

Thank you.

YOUR NAME
YOUR ADDRESS

***************************************


HB 264-S2 - Gun Safety Law Amendments - Thompson

HB 264-S2, which requires that schools offer gun safety education to
students in grades K-6 should have its House vote Monday.  Please make
sure
YOUR Representative knows that you would like him/her to vote FOR HB
264.  We also suggest that you contact House leadership, especially Rep.
Ure.

Speaker Marty Stephens,
[e-mail], 801-731-5346

Rep. Kevin Garn (GOP Majority leader),
[e-mail], 801-544-3533

Rep. David Ure (GOP Majority Whip),
[e-mail], 435-783-4650

Rep. Greg Curtis (GOP Ass't. Majority Whip),
[e-mail], 801-943-3091

It is too late for emails on this bill, so please use your phone or
fax.  Messages: 538-1029  Fax (GOP): 538-1908  Fax (DEM) 538-9505


SB 37 - HATE CRIMES AMENDMENTS - SUAZO

You almost certainly know that there is currently a lot of controversy
regarding SB 37, Hate Crimes - Suazo.

Because we are such a powerful and effective group of grass roots
activists, it seems that everyone is trying to claim that gun owners
should
be "on their side".

We therefore feel obligated to point out that Utah Gun Owners Alliance
does
NOT have an official position on this bill - either for or against.

Yesterday, Senate President Al Mansell offered the opinion that gun
owners
should support SB 37.  He thinks we should support it because it would
take
some of the "nuts" off the streets and that by supporting it, it would
give
the gun lobby more credibility.

UTGOA has some philosophical problems with Sen. Mansell's argument.  He
is
assuming that there is a connection between the "gun lobby" and/or gun
owners and "nuts" on the street.  There is no such connection.  UTGOA
members, and members of all the other gun organizations of which we're
aware, are law-abiding, responsible people.  We're not Nazis, skinheads,
gang members or criminals and we don't commit "hate crimes" - or any
crimes.  In fact, we've argued that all the policies that say "Anyone is
welcome here except someone legally carrying a gun", are in themselves a
heinous form of bigotry.

The job of getting "nuts" off the street is the job of law enforcement
and
the criminal justice system; it's not the job of gun owners.  We just
choose to be able to defend ourselves should some "nut" or criminal
decide
to assault us.

It's true that the media work very hard to portray all gun owners as
racists and criminals, and many people believe those lies.  It would be
nice if someone in Sen. Mansell's position were to state publicly that
this
is not true, instead of helping to perpetuate the misinformation.

On the other hand, Arnold Gaunt and some others are claiming that SB 37
is
an "anti-gun bill" and that gun owners should oppose it.

UTGOA is concerned about the provision in SB 37 that allow Class A
misdemeanors to be charged as felonies.  As you know, a person convicted
of
a felony loses his gun rights forever under both state and federal law.

However, although UTGOA has the greatest respect for Mr. Gaunt, we do not

agree with his opinion that SB 37 is an "anti-gun" bill.   And our bylaws

limit us to dealing only with bills that affect gun rights or gun owners.

To reiterate, Utah Gun Owners Alliance has NO official position on SB 37
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Hate Crimes Amendments.  We trust YOU to make the right decision about
this
bill, and to decide what to communicate to your elected officials.


PLEASE PLAN TO JOIN OUR LAST NIGHT GATHERING at the Capitol, Wednesday,
Feb. 28 from about 6:30 PM until midnight.  We'll watch the clock run out
on
the 2001 legislature. (Note new time!)

If all goes well, the session will end on a light note, there will be no
threats to our lives or liberties, and we can celebrate.

If things don't go well (which happened last year), we will need you to
BE
THERE to talk to your legislators, prevent them from passing bad bills,
and
encourage them to pass good bills.  If you're not right there, on the
spot,
prepared to act, you won't be able to influence what happens.

Last year, the legislature passed a viciously anti-gun bill right at
midnight, by only ONE vote.  Other good bills died in the final hours.
If
we'd had more people there to help, this would never have happened.

We'll be gathering outside the House chamber on the third floor, and
breaking up into smaller groups to keep an eye on everything.  Please
plan
to join us.  Look for the people with Utah Gun Owners Alliance badges.


PLEASE PLAN TO TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN DEFENDING YOUR RIGHTS DURING THE
FINAL THREE DAYS OF THE LEGISLATURE.  YOUR INPUT WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN VICTORY AND DEFEAT!


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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:24:13 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Contact info on Senators

Here is the contact info on Utah State Senators, followed by "cut and
paste" email address.  Please be sure to be discriminate in the use of
mass emails and, when you feel they are appropriate, be sure to use the
"bcc" field rather than the "to" or "cc" fields as many legislators will
completely ignore any email they know was sent to everyone.

Messages / faxes for all Senators may be sent to the following numbers at
the capital:
Senate Fax: [phone]
Senate Phone: [phone]

Senate Leadership:

President L. Al Mansell
Office [phone]
 Home(801)942-6019
 Fax[phone]
[e-mail]

Majority Leader L. Steve Poulton
Office(801)484-4477
 Home(801)272-4338
 Fax[phone]
[e-mail]

Majority Whip John Valentine
Home(801)224-1693
[e-mail]

Assistant Majority Whip Peter Knudson
Home(435)723-2035
[e-mail]

Minority Leader Mike Dmitrich
Office(435)637-2875
 Home(435)637-0426
[e-mail]

Minority Whip Ron Allen
Office SLC(801)977-0100
 Fax[phone]
[e-mail]

Assistant Minority Whip Pete Suazo
Office(801)328-8181
 Home(801)521-3751
[e-mail]
- -----------------------cut and paste Republican Leadership
email-----------

[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ;
[e-mail] ;  [e-mail]

- ---------------------------------------------------------------

- --------------------cut and paste Democratic Leadership
email-----------------------

[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail]

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------


Full Senate Contact Info:

Dist. 1 Salt Lake
Paula F. Julander (D)
[e-mail]
1467 Penrose Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84103
Office(801)538-1405
Home(801)363-0868

Dist. 2 Salt Lake
Pete Suazo (D)
Assistant Minority Whip
[e-mail]
1307 Garnette Street
Salt Lake City UT 84116
Office(801)328-8181
Home(801)521-3751

Dist. 3 Salt Lake
Gene Davis (D)
Minority Caucus Manager
[e-mail]
865 Parkway Ave
Salt Lake City, Utah 84106
Office(801)263-7108
Home(801)484-9428

Dist. 4 Salt Lake
Howard A. Stephenson (R)
[e-mail]
1038 East 13590 South
Utah Draper, Utah 84020
Office(801)972-8814
Home(801)576-1022
Fax[phone]

Dist. 5 Salt Lake
D. Chris Buttars (R)
[e-mail]
9241 S. Lisa Ave.
West Jordan, Utah 84088
phone[phone]

Dist. 6 Salt Lake
Michael G.Waddoups (R)
[e-mail]
2005 West 5620 South
Salt Lake City UT 84118
Office(801)355-1136
Home(801)967-0225

Dist. 7 Salt Lake
Karen Hale (D)
[e-mail]
2564 Maywood Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84109
Office(801)538-1086
Fax[phone]

Dist. 8 Salt Lake
Carlene M. Walker (R)
[e-mail]
4085 E. Prospector Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84121
Phone[phone]

Dist. 9 Salt Lake
L. Steven Poulton (R)
Majority Leader
[e-mail]
4524 Briarcreek Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84117
Office(801)484-4477
Home(801)272-4338
Fax[phone]

Dist. 10 Salt Lake
L. Alma "Al" Mansell (R)
President
[e-mail]
6995 Union Park Ctr. #100
Midvale, Utah 84047
Office [phone]
Home(801)942-6019
Fax[phone]

Dist. 11 Salt Lake
Ed P Mayne (D)
[e-mail]
5044 West Bannock Circle
West Valley City, Utah 84120
Office(801)972-2771
Home(801)968-7756
Fax[phone]

Dist. 12 Salt Lake
Millie M. Peterson (D)
[e-mail]
7131 West 3800 South
West Valley City, Utah 84128
Home(801)250-5944

Dist. 13 Salt Lake, Tooele
Ron Allen (D)
Minority Whip
[e-mail]
835 Lakeview
Stansbury Park, Utah 84074
Office SLC(801)977-0100
Fax[phone]

Dist. 14 Utah
John L. Valentine (R)
Majority Whip
[e-mail]
857 East 970 North
Orem, Utah 84057
Home(801)224-1693

Dist. 15 Utah
Parley Hellewell (R)
[e-mail]
492 South 1000 West
Orem, Utah 84058
Home(801)226-3034

Dist. 16 Utah
Curtis S. Bramble (R)
[e-mail]
3663 N. 870 E.
Provo, Utah 84604
Phone[phone]

Dist. 17 Utah
Bill Wright (R)
[e-mail]
P.O, Box 178
Elberta,Utah 84626
Phone[phone]

Dist. 18 Davis, Weber
D. Edger Allen (D)
[e-mail]
4317 Fern Dr.
Ogden, Utah 84403
Home(801)392-1050

Dist. 19 Weber, Morgan
Dave Gladwell (R)
[e-mail]
3159 N. 1075 E.
Ogden, Utah 84414
Phone[phone]

Dist. 20 Weber
Scott K. Jenkins (R)
[e-mail]
4385 W. 1975 N.
Plain City, Utah 84404
Phone[phone]

Dist. 21 Davis
David H. Steele (R)
[e-mail]
3376 West 400 North
West Point, Utah 84015
Office(801)538-7824
Home(801)825-3033

Dist. 22 Davis
Terry Spencer (R)
[e-mail]
1110 North Kimberly Dr.
Layton, Utah 84302
Home(801)543-4450

Dist. 23 Davis
Dan R. Eastman (R)
[e-mail]
968 Canyon Creast Dr.
Bountiful,Utah 84010
Phone[phone]

Dist. 24 Box Elder, Cache
Peter C. Knudson (R)
Assistant Majority Whip
[e-mail]
1209 Michelle Dr.
Brigham City, Utah 84302
Home(435)723-2035

Dist. 25 Rich, Summit
Lyle W. Hillyard (R)
[e-mail]
175 East First North
Logan, Utah 84321
Office(435)752-2610
Home(435)753-0043

Dist. 26 Daggett, Duchesne, Summit, Uintah, Wasatch
Beverly Evans (R)
[e-mail]
HC 65, Box 36
Altamont, Utah 84001
Office(435)722-4523 Ext 126
Home(435)454-3719
Fax[phone]

Dist. 27 San Juan, Grand, Emery, Kane, Washington
Mike Dmitrich (D)
Minority Leader
[e-mail]
566 North Dover Circle
Price, Utah 84501
Office(435)637-2875
Home(435)637-0426

Dist. 28 Sanpete, Sevier, Millard, Piute, Wayne, Beaver,
Garfield
Leonard M. Blackham (R)
[e-mail]
P.O. Box 337
Moroni, Utah 84646
Office(435)436-8125
Home(435)436-8489

Dist. 29 Washington, Iron
John W. (Bill) Hickman (R)
[e-mail]
214 N. Emeraud Dr.
St. George, Utah 84770
Home(435)673-2671

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:40:31 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: URGENT ALERT:  Action needed on Gun Bills

All,

As of right now, Senate leadership is sitting on our two good gun bills
despite their previous promises to support these bills.  We need to
contact Senate leadership ASAP and let them know we want these bills
supported and passed.

ACTION ITEM:

Please call Senate President L. Al Mansel and Senate Majority Leader L.
Steven Poulton.  A message for both may left in a single call by calling
the Senate operater at 801-538-1035.  We need to ring the capital
switchboard phones off their hooks today and tomorrow.  Ask them to
release and support HB 376 S3 (Concealed Carry Recognition) *with
friendly ammendments* and get it passed.  Ask them to also release and
support HB 264 S2 (Gun Safety Education) as is and get it passed.  Please
do not mention ANY other bills during this phone call.  We recognize that
gun owners have other areas of interest and passion, but we ask that you
make seperate contact on those issues so that this issue is not blurred
in the minds of legislators.  Also--at this time and for this contact on
these two bills--please do not mention or insinuate whether or how their
actions on these two bills may affect your future voting or other
actions.  Simply ask them to keep their word by supporting these two
bills.

Please follow up this phone call with a fax and / or email to each of
these two Senators.  Faxes for both may be sent to the Senate fax machine
at 801-538-1414.  Email addresses are <[e-mail]> and
<[e-mail]>.  Then, a second phone call, this one to their
homes (please do not call later than 10:00 pm) would also help.  They
will likely not be home by then so leave a message with a return phone
number.  (They aren't likely to call you back, but I find that asking
someone to write down a phone number guarantees that they do, in fact,
write down your message and it is more likely to get delivered.)  Their
home numbers are:

Mansel [phone],
Poulton [phone]

Please make similar contact with your own State Senator asking him to
work to get these two bills released and passed.

Finally, please forward the information in this alert to anyone you know
who would be interested but is not likely to have already seen it.

Thank you.

Senate Switchboard 801-538-1035.
Senate Fax: [phone].

=============Sample Phone message to Capital============

You: "Hello.  I'd like to leave a message for Senate President Mansel and
Senate Majority Leader Poulton."

Operator: "What is your name?"

You:  "My name is _________."

Operatort: "And your phone number?"

You:  "My phone number is _________"

Operator: "What is your message?"

You (speaking a bit slower so operator can type message) :  "Please
support HB 376 S3 with friendly amendments and get it passed.  Please
also support HB 264 S2 and get it passed.  Thank you."

Operator:  "Thank you for calling.  Have a nice day."

You:  "Thank you."

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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:56:48 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT ALERT!  GUN BILLS IN DANGER!

More info on gun bills from UTGOA.

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: Sarah Thompson <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:49:03 -0700
Subject: [UTGOA] URGENT ALERT!  GUN BILLS IN DANGER!

Please forward!

SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP is trying to kill our gun bills!

Senate Republican leadership has apparently caved in to pressure from
anti-gunners, perhaps even Gov. Leavitt himself!  They have so far
refused
to put HB 376S3 (Concealed Carry Recognition) or HB 264S2 (Gun Safety
Education) on the Senate schedule.

With the legislative session ending tomorrow, this delay can only be
interpreted as a plan to kill pro-gun legislation.

Over the weekend, Utah Gun Owners Alliance spoke with both Senate
President
Al Mansell and Majority Leader Steven Poulton.  Both of them said
specifically that they supported HB 376S3 and would make sure it
passed.  Sen. Poulton even agreed to sponsor the bill.

Now Rep. Donnelson says they're refusing to put his HB 376S3 on the
schedule at all!

Don't let our gun bills die!

WHAT YOU MUST DO!

1. Call Senate President Al Mansell, and Sen. Steve Poulton.  Remind them

that they promised to support our pro-gun bills and that you expect them
to
do so.  You want them to put both bills on the schedule right away, and
to
do everything possible to make sure they pass with friendly amendments.

Do NOT accept any excuses, and do NOT make ANY threats of any kind.  They

either support gun rights or they don't.

Don't let them confuse you.  If they support gun rights, they'll put our
bills on the schedule and vote for them.  If they don't, then they don't
support gun rights - no matter what they say.

2. Call YOUR Senator.  Ask him/her to do everything possible to make sure

that gun bills get put on the schedule - and to make sure they pass with
friendly amendments.

You can reach all Senators TODAY by calling 801-538-1035.
You can send emails by going to www.utahsenate.org
Al Mansell, [e-mail], 801-942-6019
Steven Poulton, [e-mail], 801-272-4338

You can also send faxes to 538-1414 (R) or 538-1449 (D)

Remember -  Be assertive.  But NO THREATS of any kind.  They either
support
gun rights or they don't.

YOU MUST CALL TODAY OR OUR GUN BILLS WILL BE KILLED!

Thanks!  Just ONE MORE DAY to go, so please hang in there.  With your
help,
we'll have some solid pro-gun legislation passed this year.


Full update to follow this evening.

Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
http://www.utgoa.org
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missing important information because someone else neglected to forward
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To subscribe to the UTGOA list, send a blank email to
[e-mail] or use the form on our web site,
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cover our operating costs.  Please consider joining us or sending a
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1185, Sandy, UT 84091  Checks should be made payable to Utah Gun Owners
Alliance, Inc. or UTGOA.  Thank for your support!

UTGOA is written and distributed by, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc.
www.utgoa.org, and Sarah Thompson, M.D.  All information contained in
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:46:07 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: ALERT:  More calls needed on pro-gun bill

Senate Leadership is still sitting on our pro-gun bills, though they are
now claiming they are not trying to kill them, "they just aren't on the
calender yet."

Well, we all know that at this point in the session, any bill that
leadership doesn't put on the calendar, leadership has effectively
killed.  This is unacceptable.  HB 376 S3 passed the house by a HUGE
margin and with every Republican but one (and that was Tyler who everyone
calls a Democrat anyway) and three Democrats supporting it.

Either our Senators and Senate Leadership support our gun rights or they
don't.  If they do, they will get these bills on the calander and get
them passed.  If they don't get them on the calander and get them passed,
then they are clearly unsupportive or even hostile to our RKBA.

Please, if you haven't called yet, do it now.  If you have, call again
and then encourage your spouse, a friend, or a neighbor or relative to
call.

Messages for all Senators may be left at 801-538-1035.  With a single
call you can leave a message for several Senators.  Please call and leave
a message for Senate President Mansell, Senate Majority Leader L. Steven
Poulton, and your own Senator.

Please note that we've received reports that HB 264 "Gun Safety
Education" may have been amended into an anti-gun bill by removing the
"value neutral" language.  If true, this would allow schools to have
Sarah Brady come in to teach gun "safety."  For this reason, please focus
on HB376 S3 for now.

Also, we're receiving reports that House Leadership may be cooling to the
idea of actually acting on HB 376 S3 should a much needed amendment be
passed in the Senate.  Therefore, please also begin calling Speaker
Stephens, Majority Leader Kevin Garn, and your own Representative and ask
them to see to it that HB 376 S3 receive speedy action and pass once the
Senate returns it.  Messages for all Representatives may be left at
801-538-1029.  Additionally, Speaker Stephens may be reached at the
Speaker's office at 801-538-1930.

Please call now.

Also, if possible, please attend the closing hours of the session
tomorrow.  A pro-gun group will be meeting outside the house chambers at
6:30pm to organize and figure out how to best keep an eye on things.  If
you can't make it then, come whenever you can.

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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:42:15 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: URGENT ALERT on Gun bills.

HB 376 S3 is about ready to get its final hearing and vote in the Senate.
 We have two issues at this time.

First, we understand that Senator Spencer is preparing to offer a hostile
amendment.  Spencer's amendment would limit the time frame Utah would
honor out-of-state permits to 60 days.  Should this pass, Utah's informal
agreement with some 12 other States to honor each other's permits would
certainly cease to exist.  It is also highly unlikely that the 8 states
posed to recognize Utah's permits if we recognize their permits would
consider this time limit as acceptable and would, therefore, not
recognize our permits.  Finally, as you CCW permit holders know, it takes
longer than 60 days to obtain a Utah CCW.  Thus, if someone moved here
with a valid out-of-state permit, their permit would expire and they
would be unable to legally carry prior to obtaining a Utah permit.  We
need to oppose Sen. Spencer's amendment.

Second, the bill currently contains too large of a fiscal note to be
allowed to become law if passed today.  There is a friendly amendment
that will correct this issue.  This is "amendment 4."  We need to support
this amendment.

ACTION ITEM:

PLEASE call the Senate at once.  Leave a message for your own Senator,
Senate President Mansell, Majority Leader Poulton, and also Sen. Bramble
(who is Senate sponsor of the bill).  Ask them to oppose Sen. Spencer's
amendment and to support "Amendment 4" as written.

Messages should be left at 801-538-1035.

Please then contact friends, family, etc who do not regularly read email
and ask them to call.  We can win this, but only with a supreme effort
from gun owners right now, this morning.

Today is the final day.  Hang in there for a few more hours.


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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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