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utah-firearms-digest     Thursday, March 16 2000     Volume 02 : Number 184




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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:02:20 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 3-9: Good News!

MORE GOOD NEWS!

Senate President Lane Beattie has announced his retirement from the
Utah Senate! Beattie, long known as Gov. Leavitt's alter-ego in the
Senate, is known for his ardent support of gun control.

Two years ago, Utah gun rights advocates forced Beattie to call a
press conference to announce he was killing his gun control bill,
SB 57. This year we did it again, and Beattie again called a press
conference to announce he was killing SB 161 and 162. These awful
bills would have provided for government-mandated harassment of gun
owners in schools and churches. They would also have needlessly
endangered our children and all religious people. Advertising to
criminals that schools and churches are "free-fire" zones, where
criminals can attack without fear of being stopped, is a dangerously
stupid idea!

While Beattie didn't give credit to "kooks with guns" for his
retirement, UTGuns is glad he's finally learned his lesson.

So, Senate President Lane Beattie is gone. Senate Minority Leader
Scott Howell is widely rumored to be considering retiring. House
Minority Leader Dave Jones is retiring. (Yes, we're aware that all
of them will likely seek higher office. We'll deal with that when
the time comes!)

Who's left? Speaker of the House Marty Stephens. The man who
"considered" challenging Mike Leavitt, and ended up ENDORSING him!
The man who claims he "didn't know anything" about his own Majority
Leader's major gun control bill! (Kevin Garn's HB 372) The "powerful
leader" who let the unconstitutional SB 72 pass the House with less
than a minute to spare!

UTGuns sincerely hopes that Speaker Stephens will listen to the pleas
of citizens outraged at the deceitful way in which this bill "passed"
the legislature - after midnight, without an opportunity for legislators
to read and understand what they were voting for, and with USSC lobbyist,
Rob Bishop assuring everyone that it was a "good" bill - and that he will
do everything possible to encourage Gov. Leavitt to veto SB 72.

See http://www.sltrib.com/03092000/utah/32279 for info on Beattie's retirement.

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:11:15 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: REMINDER  Presidential Primary today, Friday, March 10

Today (Friday March 10) is Utah's first ever Presidential Primary
Election.  Polls are open until 8:00 pm.

You must already be registered to vote.  Registered Republicans may not
vote in the Democratic Primary.  Registered Democrats may not vote in the
Republican Primary.  Those registered voters who have not declared party
affiliation (90%) may vote in the primary of any ONE party.

Please do not forgo voting simply because the results seem all but
certain.

Rather, view this as an opportunity to cast a completely honest vote,
without fear of "wasting" that vote or "spoiling" an election in favor of
the worse of two evils,  for whichever candidate you believe will best
preserve your rights, including your right to an effective, armed
defense.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:16:02 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: AMA Gun Poll

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Subject: AMA Gun Poll
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:10:32 -0700
From: "Monte E. Rudd" <[e-mail]>
To: Globalist Agendas Debate and Discussion List <[e-mail]>

That the American Medical Association is actively working for gun control
is not news. Interestingly enough, there is a poll on their Web site re:
gun bans, and we're kicking the anti-gun/anti-self-defense people's butts.
Pitch in: http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/msjama/index.htm

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:16:59 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: New Fed Gun Bill?

Weird formatting in original.

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Subject: LPU: FW: New Fed Gun Bill?
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:54:50 -0700
From: "Jim Dexter" <[e-mail]>
To: "LPUtah Forum" <[e-mail]>

This just sent to me. I have no idea if it's real.  If true, it';s just
another good reason to abolish the IRS.

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S 2099 IS

106th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2099

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of
handguns, and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

February 24, 2000

Mr. REED introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred
to the Committee on Finance



A BILL

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of
handguns, and for other purposes.

  Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

  This Act may be cited as the `Handgun Safety and Registration Act of
2000'.

SEC. 2. REGISTRATION OF HANDGUNS.

  (a) HANDGUN INCLUDED IN DEFINITION OF FIREARM-

  (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
(defining firearm) is amended by striking `and (8) a destructive device'
and inserting `(8) a handgun; and (9) a destructive device'.

  (2) DEFINITION OF HANDGUN- Section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of
1986 (relating to definitions) is amended by adding at the end the
following:

  `(n) HANDGUN-

  `(1) IN GENERAL- The term `handgun' means any weapon (including a
starter gun) which--

  `(A) is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile
by the action of an explosive, and

  `(B) has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use
of a single hand.

  `(2) DISASSEMBLED PARTS INCLUDED- Such term shall also include the
frame or receiver of any such weapon, and any combination of parts from
which a handgun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or
under the control of a person.

  `(3) EXCLUSION- Such term shall not include a firearm classified as
`any other weapon' under subsection (e).'.

  (b) TRANSFER TAX IMPOSED ON HANDGUNS- Section 5811(a) of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to rate) is amended by inserting `or as a
handgun under section 5845(a)(8)' after `section 5845(e)'.

  (c) TAX ON MAKING FIREARMS IMPOSED ON HANDGUNS- Section 5821(a) of the
Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to rate) is amended by inserting
`, except, the tax on any firearm classified as a handgun under section
5845(a)(8) shall be at the rate of $50 for each such firearm made' after
`firearm made'.

  (d) IMPORTATION POLICY CONTINUED-

  (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5844 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
(relating to importation) is amended by adding at the end the following:
`This section shall not apply to any firearm classified as a handgun
under section 5845(a)(8).'.

  (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 925(d)(3) of title 18, United States
Code, is amended by inserting `(without regard to paragraph (8) thereof)'
after `section 5845(a)'.

  (e) SHARING OF REGISTRATION INFORMATION WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES-

  (1) IN GENERAL- Section 6103(o) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
(relating to disclosure of returns and return information with respect to
certain taxes) is amended by adding at the end the following:

  `(3) TAXES IMPOSED ON TRANSFER OF HANDGUNS- Returns and return
information with respect to taxes imposed by part II of subchapter A of
chapter 53 (relating to tax on transferring firearms) on any firearm
classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) shall be available in an
on-line format for inspection by or disclosure to officers and employees
of--

  `(A) any Federal law enforcement agency, and

  `(B) any State or local law enforcement agency,

whose official duties require such inspection or disclosure.'.

  (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENTS- Section 6103(p)(4) of the Internal Revenue
Code of 1986 is amended--

  (A) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A)--

  (i) by striking `or (o)(1)' and inserting `(o)(1), or (o)(3)(A)',

  (ii) by striking `or (l)(6)'  and inserting `(l)(6)',

  (iii) by inserting `or (o)(3)(B),' after `(16),', and

  (B) in subparagraph (F)(i)--

  (i) by striking `or (l)(6)'  and inserting `(l)(6)', and

  (ii) by inserting `or (o)(3)(B),' after `(16),', and

  (C) in subparagraph (F)(ii), by striking `or (o)(1)'  and inserting `,
(o)(1), or (o)(3)(A)'.

  (f) TRANSITION RULE FOR NONREGISTERED HANDGUNS-

  (1) IN GENERAL- Any person possessing any firearm classified as a
handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 not
registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record
maintained by the Secretary of the Treasury under section 5841 of such
Code shall register such handgun--

  (A) within 1 year of the date of the enactment of this Act, or

  (B) upon the transfer of such handgun before such 1 year anniversary
date.

  (2) TREATMENT OF REGISTRATION AS TRANSFER- For purposes of any tax
imposed by part II of subchapter A of chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue
Code of 1986 (relating to tax on transferring firearms) on any firearm
classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of such Code, any
registration of such handgun under paragraph (1)(A) shall be considered a
transfer of such handgun.

  (3) NONAPPLICATION OF PENALTY- Section 5861(d) of the Internal Revenue
Code of 1986 shall not apply with respect to the possession of any
handgun before the date of the registration of such handgun under
paragraph (1).

  (g) PROVISION OF REGISTRATION FORMS-

  (1) AVAILABILITY- To promote and assist compliance with the handgun
registration requirements under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as
amended by this section, the Secretary of the Treasury shall make
available such registration and fingerprint forms as may be required by
the public for compliance with such requirements--

  (A) to State and local law enforcement agencies and facilities of the
Department of the Treasury throughout the States, the United States
Postal Service, and such other agencies and departments of the Federal
Government as the Secretary determines would aid in making such forms
available to the public; and

  (B) through the Internet in a downloadable format.

  (2) SINGLE FORM- The Secretary of the Treasury shall make available
registration forms that allow an individual to register the possession or
transfer of more than 1 firearm classified as a handgun under section
5845(a)(8) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 on a single form.

  (h) PROGRAM OF PUBLIC AWARENESS- Within 60 days after the date of the
enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Treasury shall commence a
program to broaden public awareness of the handgun registration
requirements under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended by this
section. Such program may include voluntary cooperative efforts with
Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies and public service
announcements as deemed appropriate by the Secretary.

  (i) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There are authorized to be
appropriated such sums as may be necessary for the Secretary of the
Treasury to carry out the provisions of and amendments made by this Act.

  (j) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendments made by this section shall take
effect on the date of the enactment of this Act.

END

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:14:49 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: March 12 column -- gun rights

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail] (Vin Suprynowicz)
To: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:30:09 -0800
Subject: March 12 column -- gun rights


    FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED MARCH 12, 2000
    THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
    Thugs still reign in Taxachusetts


    At midday Wednesday, March 1, a 53-year-old Registered Nurse
Anaesthetist with the same name as actress Linda Hamilton -- a
grandmother
who's been licensed by the commonwealth to carry a handgun for the past
10
years (fingerprints, FBI check, etc.) was headed eastbound on Route 2
through the village of North Adams.

  "At which point I noticed an 18-wheeler looming in my rearview mirror,"
Ms. Hamilton writes. "He drove up to within 10 feet of my Blazer, and
then
lunged his truck at my vehicle as if he was going to ram it. He pulled
out
as if to pass me -- we were on a two-lane road -- and then pulled back in
behind me. He repeated this behavior four times.

  "I was in fear for my life. For over a quarter mile there is no place
to
pull over. There were no other people around."

  So, Hamilton took out the snubnosed .38 Rossi she's licensed by the
state
to carry. "I put it in my right hand and put my hand back on the steering
wheel. The truck driver immediately backed off. I pulled in at the first
place there were  people and a pay phone. I called the Shelburne State
Police barracks and told them of the incident, thinking, of course, that
they could intercept the trucker before he hurt someone.

  "As soon as I mentioned what I had done with my gun, I was put on the
defensive by the officer on the phone. Instead of thanking me for
handling
the situation in a responsible way, which protected me and hurt no one,
the
issue suddenly became the gun and only the gun, and not the fact that
lives
were in jeopardy from an out-of-control trucker. The trooper said to me,
'You should not have drawn your gun; a complaint could be filed.' "

  "Excuuuse me," Ms. Hamilton writes, "but why on earth am I carrying a
gun? To keep my hip warm?"

  The cops know who the trucker was, but won't tell Linda Hamilton or her
husband Russ. Instead, a couple of lady troopers named Robertson and
Curran
flagged Ms. Hamilton down, asked her permission to search her vehicle,
searched it anyway when she refused permission, found and seized her
legally licensed revolver.

  Fortunately, Russ Hamilton tells me Massachusetts (unlike many states)
has no easily misinterpreted law against "brandishing" a weapon. The Gun
Owners Action League referred the Hamiltons to attorney Robert Chesbro in
Williamstown. The Hamiltons plan to sue the state for assault and battery
(Mrs. Hamilton was frisked without evidence of any crime), theft of her
revolver (which the police still have) and concealing the name of the
truck
driver who started the whole thing.

  "I put them on notice they were leaving me defenseless, and that I
wanted
a police escort home," Mrs. Hamilton adds. "They refused."

  Taxachusetts, of course, has so far abandoned the tradition of
Lexington
and Concord (where Redcoat efforts to seize civilian arms were not well
received) that their welcoming billboards now read: "Have A Gun, Go To
Jail."

  While Russ Hamilton says the cops are dead wrong -- "Under
Massachusetts
law you can keep a loaded firearm in your vehicle if you're a licensed
owner; you can have it taped to the window if you so desire," he also
admits: "We stopped one mile short. We found a piece of land we liked,
but
it's one mile short of Vermont. In Vermont there are no gun laws
whatsoever, and it has the lowest crime rate in the U.S. We kick
ourselves
in the butt that we missed it by one mile."

  Tina Terry offers more -- including a photostat of Linda Hamilton's
handgun permit -- at www.sierratimes.com/artt030600.htm.

  Meantime, maybe the Second Amendment isn't dead in courts, after all.

  The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals -- which overturned the original
"gun-free school zones" law -- has announced it will hear oral arguments
this spring in the Emerson case.

  Federal Judge Sam Cummings of the Northern District of Texas last year
dismissed an indictment against Timothy Joe Emerson for possession of a
firearm while under a temporary restraining order routinely issued during
his divorce case. In doing so, Judge Cummings specifically rejected the
government's claim that the Second Amendment is some kind of "collective"
right pertaining only to the National Guard.

  Judge Cummings' ruling refutes the bogus "collective rights" theory,
and
demonstrates in detail why the individual-right interpretation,
significantly known as the "Standard Model" in the academic literature
and
now embraced even by liberals like Harvard's Laurence Tribe, is proper.

  Specifically, Judge Cummings ruled that the subordinate "militia"
clause
in no way negates or limits the independent "right of the people" clause,
and further notes the U.S. Supreme Court has determined "the people"
should
be interpreted similarly in the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth
amendments.

  "This decision helps protect gun owners from the ever-increasing
classes
of people prohibited from gun ownership," comments Alan Gottlieb, head of
the Second Amendment Foundation. "Without a court willing to step in and
put a halt to this practice, eventually anyone with a parking or speeding
ticket could be prevented from gun ownership. This could be the pure
Second
Amendment case that gun owners have been praying for over the past
half-century."

  More details: www.saf.org/EmersonViewOptions.html.


Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the
Freedom
Movement, 1993-1998," is available at $24.95 postpaid by dialing
1-800-244-2224; or via web site
http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html.

***




Vin Suprynowicz,   [e-mail]

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed --
and
thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless
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of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:28:45 -0700
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Any Chance

Hi Charles

Any chance you are going to run against Trish Beck?


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:36:46 -0700
From: "Karl Pearson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Humor: On The Beat

Not all are funny, but they weren't necessarily meant to be. (thp)


Things Overheard While on the Beat
- --source unknown

"The more we sweat in training, the less we bleed on the streets."

"Your life is not my fault."

"The handcuffs are tight because they're new. They'll stretch out after you
wear them awhile."

"Take your hands off the car and I'll make your birth certificate a
worthless document."

"Remember, when you gotta cuff 'em, nobody is your friend."

"If you run, you'll only go to jail tired."

"That says POLICE, not taxi!"

"Can you run faster than 1200 feet per second?"

"So you don't know how fast you were going. I guess that means I can write
anything I want on the ticket, huh?"

"You can't outrun a radio."

"Yes, sir, you can talk to the shift supervisor, but I don't think it will
help. Oh, did I mention that I am the shift supervisor?"

"Someone, somewhere is practicing. If you're not, and someday, if you
should meet, you will lose."

"Every dog has it's day. Good dogs have two."

"Warning! You want a warning? Okay, I'm warning you not to do that again or
I'll give you another ticket."

"I'd rather have the gear and not need it than need the gear I don't have."

"If its worth stopping, its worth writing."

"The answer to this last question will determine whether you are drunk or
not. Was Mickey Mouse a cat or a dog?"

"Fair? You want me to be fair? Listen, fair is a place where you go to ride
on rides, eat cotton candy, and step in monkey poop."

"Listen with your ears, not with your mouth."

"Some people are meant to be cops, and some people are meant to call the
cops."

"God made tomorrow for the crooks we don't catch today."

"God must love stupid people, 'cause he sure made a lot of them."

"Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid."

"Bulletproof vests aren't."

"Law abiding citizens sleep peacefully in their beds, solely because,
dedicated men and women stand ready to do violence in their behalf."

"In God we trust, all others we run NCIC."

"Just how big were those two beers?"

"Uh ... yes, Chief, it only appeared as if I wasn't paying attention to
your speech. Actually, you inspired me to meditate on the mission statement
and envision a new paradigm."

"No, sir, we don't have quotas anymore. We used to have quotas but now
we're allowed to write as many tickets as we want."

"Law enforcement is not a spectator sport."

"There are multiple copies here. You need to press down firmly when signing
at the bottom of the ticket."

"I know, I know! Your kid is an honor student at the juvenile detention
center."

"I'm glad to hear the chief of police is a good personal friend of yours.
At least you know someone who can post your bail."

"You might beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."

"We don't hire cops in this department, we hire common sense and make cops
from it."

"Shoot them until they think they're dead."

"I don't believe they should use the electric chair, they need to use
electric bleachers."

"Handcuffs aren't designed for comfort."

"Your arrest. You catch 'em, you clean 'em."

"No, Chief, I swear ... it was my day off."

"There are no dress rehearsals, and this is the big time."


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:37:58 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Any Chance

Hadn't considered it yet.  For what office is she running?

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:28:45 -0700 "David Sagers"
<[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi Charles
>
> Any chance you are going to run against Trish Beck?
>
>
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>

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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:46:07 -0700
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Any Chance

She is the State Rep in our area.  She is a Scott Howell liberal, and made =
an interesting statement in a committee meeting "...if people aren't =
responsible enough to pay their traffic tickets, they aren't responsible =
enough to have guns." =20

Obviously not someone who will protect our rights.


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:05:42 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Any Chance

Actually, I notice she is running in District 48.  Art Haddow is running
as a Republican against her.  I live in District 50.  Llyod Frandsen is
not seeking re-elction, deciding instead to run for Senate Seat 5.  Drew
Chamberlain is one of several Republicans running for his open seat.

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:46:07 -0700 "David Sagers"
<[e-mail]> writes:
> She is the State Rep in our area.  She is a Scott Howell liberal, and
> made an interesting statement in a committee meeting "...if people
> aren't responsible enough to pay their traffic tickets, they aren't
> responsible enough to have guns."
>
> Obviously not someone who will protect our rights.
>
>
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>

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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:32:01 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: GOA media advisory

GOA Blasts Clinton and Gun Control on Prime Time TV
   -- Exposes problems with enforcing anti-gun laws

Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org


"I can tell you that the President of the United States is certainly
eager to take advantage of every tragedy that occurs.  And to
suggest that, somehow, a crack-house kid would have had a
trigger-lock on the gun that the crook in the house had with their
drugs and stolen guns -- I don't think so.  That's a very
implausible scenario to say the least."
   -- Larry Pratt, GOA Executive Director on MSNBC's Equal Time


(Wednesday, March 15, 2000) -- Last week it was the morning TV
programs like NBC's Today show and CBS' This Morning.  This week,
GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt has been hitting the after-dinner
talk shows.

Pratt appeared on MSNBC's Equal Time last night with co-hosts Ollie
North and Paul Begala.  Sparks flew as Pratt excoriated the
President for using horrible tragedies to further his political
agenda.

At the same time, Pratt also blasted the President's call to
"enforce the existing [anti-]gun laws."

"Rather than call for the enforcement of existing gun laws -- which
all of us opposed at the time that they were being put on the
books," Pratt said, "we think it would be much more appropriate to
call for their removal.  That way we're not going to have as many
people being disarmed and victimized by criminals who get their guns
anyway no matter what the gun control laws are."

Pratt pointed out how foolish the gun control logic is.  A virtual
complete gun ban and confiscation in England has now led to a rising
crime rate (which has now surpassed our own).  And their ban has not
stopped more than 3 million guns from reportedly landing in
criminals' hands.

"Are we supposed to believe that if on an island they can't keep
guns out of the hands of criminals, that the Brady law is somehow
going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?" Pratt said.

Pratt also blasted an HCI spokesman on the show for calling on
Congress to close the gun control "loopholes."

"What you're calling a 'loophole' is what the Founders called
freedom," said Pratt.  "And meanwhile, all these 'loopholes' you
want to close off -- all they do is result in an increase in crime
in this country."

GOA plans to offer this tape in the future for a minimal cost.  Gun
activists who would like to see a first class debater take on our
political enemies will find lots of talking points that they can
use.

MEDIA ADVISORY:  As this goes to press, Larry Pratt is scheduled to
appear on CNBC's [Geraldo] Rivera Live tonight at 9:00 EST.  As with
any media "schedule," such plans are always tentative and could be
changed at any time by the media host.

HOUSE VOTE:  GOA will alert you tomorrow as to the results of the
House vote which occurred today.  It is imperative that we defeat
the gun control in the crime bill now -- otherwise, today's
restrictions will become part of the "existing gun laws" that the
President and others will be seeking to enforce tomorrow.


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:20:26 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time)
From: Karl Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Quote of the Ages

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
("A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands.")
- --Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)
epistulae ad Lucilium 87, c. 30


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:57:16 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 3-15: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED!

Help kill SB 72
Candidates needed!
Delegates still needed!
Sarah Thompson, Arnold Gaunt on KTKK Thursday


HELP KILL SB 72!

SB 72 - Restricted persons (Terry Spencer) is still alive! It is
currently sitting on Gov. Leavitt's desk, awaiting his signature.
We need to encourage him to veto it - and encourage legislators
to support our effort.

SB 72, which was pushed by the Leavitt administration, is an awful bill.
It is an unconstitutional ex post facto bill, which applies retroactive
punishment for events that happened years ago. It revokes gun rights for
juveniles who have been adjudicated delinquent without a jury trial. It
expands the current prohibitions on handgun possession to include long
guns. It re-enacts the lifetime ban on firearms possession for anyone who
has been committed to a mental institution, again without a jury trial or
even due process - even if the commitment was wrongful or the person has
recovered. It also re-enacts the lifetime ban on possession for anyone
dishonorably discharged from the military - even for political or social
offenses. And most ominously, it provides a mechanism to revoke firearms
rights for MISDEMEANOR offenses.

As if this isn't bad enough, some outrageous lies were told in order to
get the bill passed. Legislators reported they were told that if the bill
wasn't passed, Utah would automatically be subject to a federal five-day
waiting period for all firearms transactions. Of course the federal
five-day waiting period expired in 1998, and was replaced with the
National Instant-Check System (NICS). Utahns are already subject to NICS
checks. The "five day waiting period" lie was perpetrated solely to scare
legislators into voting for a gun control bill. Sadly, it worked.

And to make matters even worse, many witnesses report that the bill passed
the Senate AFTER midnight - which makes it unconstitutional and void.

WE NEED HELP TO KILL SB 72 - and we need it NOW!
Gov. Leavitt can sign it at any time!

Several activists (Arnold Gaunt, Brent Odenwalder and Sarah Thompson)
met with House leadership today. (Reps. Marty Stephens, Kevin Garn,
David Ure and Greg Curtis) UTGuns appreciates their willingness to
meet and discuss this problem. Speaker Stephens says that he is "still
waiting to hear from Gov. Leavitt". Leadership did not seem inclined
to try to kill the bill based on its content, or the blatant lies told
to obtain passage. While they did vote against the bill, this attitude
raises questions about the sincerity of their opposition.

However, they did state that if the bill was indeed passed after
midnight, they would support invalidating it on that basis.

1. Please CALL each of these members of House Leadership AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE! Time is very short, and the bill can be signed at any time.
Ask them to do EVERYTHING possible to stop Gov. Leavitt from signing
the bill. Legislators do not read email when they're not in session
so you need to CALL or FAX them!
Speaker Marty Stephens
801-538-1930 (Capitol)
801-731-5346 (Home)
801-538-1908 (Fax)
Majority Leader Kevin Garn
801-544-3533 (Home)
801-776-0232 (Office)
801-776-0214 (Fax)
Majority Whip David Ure
435-783-4650 (Home)
435-783-2487 (Office)
435-783-4650 (Fax)
Ass't. Majority Whip Greg Curtis
801-943-3091 (Home)
801-569-5141 (Office)

Remember to be polite but assertive. Don't let them play games with OUR RIGHTS!

2. Call Governor Leavitt! 801-538-1000 Let him (or the staff person
handling bill signing and vetos) know that you would like the governor
to VETO SB 72 for the above reasons. Please remind Gov. Leavitt that
allowing SB 72 to become law guarantees a vote for one of his four
(current) challengers.

3. Witnesses needed!
Were you at the Capitol the night of March 1? Did you witness legislators,
lobbyists and others lying about SB 72? Did you watch the vote in the Senate?
If so, it is ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT that you contact the five people listed
above. We also need a signed, notarized affidavit stating clearly what you
saw and heard. (Contact Sarah at this address or 801-566-1067 for details.)


CANDIDATES NEEDED!

Our legislators have a dismal record of protecting our rights this year.
No Representative has a voting record better than 60%. No Senator has a
record better than 44%! This is simply not acceptable. (It is important
to remember that voting records do not reflect committee votes or
back-room politics, so they should not be considered an absolute measure
of a legislator's behavior. But these numbers are so terrible that it's
hard to make a case that we have any pro-rights legislators.)

Volunteers are desperately needed to challenge some of these folks
so they don't come back for another 2-4 years! We need YOU to file
for office! Even if you don't have the time and money to mount a
major campaign, just the fact that you file has beneficial effects:
1. The legislator finds out that not everyone approves of what he's doing.
2. The legislator actually has to do some work instead of just showing up
to claim his seat. Even if he wins, you will have caused him pain, expense,
and embarrassment - and he'll be motivated not to let that happen again!
3. By expressing a strong pro-liberty point of view, you will "pull" the
incumbent towards a pro-liberty point of view. You will also educate others
in your district who will then become your allies in preserving our rights.

A list of people who have filed to date can be found at:
http://www.governor.state.ut.us/lt_gover/2000candidates.html
If there are no good candidates in your House or Senate district,
please consider running! The filing fees are low (less than $20 for
a House seat!), and you'll automatically get a delegate spot at the
county (or state if you're in a multi-county district) convention.
Filing deadline is Friday 5 PM. You lose nothing by filing;
you can always withdraw if you change your mind.


DELEGATES NEEDED!
Response to the UTGuns request for delegates is still not what it should
be. MANY more people are needed to volunteer to be delegates! Isn't it
worth a day or two of your time to make sure that good candidates are
elected? Do you really WANT Mike Leavitt pushing gun control for another
four years? Did YOUR legislators do an exemplary job of protecting your
life, liberty and property? No? Then volunteer to be a delegate! This is
the best (maybe only!) way to promote responsible government.

Even if you have signed up on another list of delegates, please sign
the UTGuns list too! We are not "competing" with anyone else for names.
We are trying to compile a central list of names of people willing to
support some real pro-gun candidates.

For more information, or to sign up, go to:
http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/volunteer.html


RADIO ALERT!
Sarah Thompson and Arnold Gaunt will be appearing on Radio Liberty
on Thursday, March 16 from 5-7 PM. Radio Liberty is hosted by Jim
Dexter, and can be found on KTKK, 630 AM. Topics include SB 72,
legislative liars, gun bills in general, and delegate recruitment.
Please listen and call in!
Salt Lake County, 801-254-5855.
North of SLCo, 801-670-5855
South of SLCo, 801-470-5855

Thanks!
Sarah

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:54:47 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: UTGuns Leg Alert 3-15:  URGENT YOUR HELP NEEDED NOW

Everyone, please take the time to read through this one and respond
appropriately.

Help kill SB 72
Candidates needed!
Delegates still needed!
Sarah Thompson, Arnold Gaunt on KTKK Thursday


HELP KILL SB 72!

SB 72 - Restricted persons (Terry Spencer) is still alive!  It is
currently sitting on Gov. Leavitt's desk, awaiting his signature.  We
need to encourage him to veto it - and encourage legislators to support
our effort.

SB 72, which was pushed by the Leavitt administration, is an awful bill.
It is an unconstitutional ex post facto bill, which applies retroactive
punishment for events that happened years ago.  It revokes gun rights for
juveniles who have been adjudicated delinquent without a jury trial.  It
expands the current prohibitions on handgun possession to include long
guns.  It re-enacts the lifetime ban on firearms possession for anyone
who has been committed to a mental institution, again without a jury
trial or even due process - even if the commitment was wrongful or the
person has recovered.  It also re-enacts the lifetime ban on possession
for anyone dishonorably discharged from the military - even for political
or social offenses.  And most ominously, it provides a mechanism to
revoke firearms rights for MISDEMEANOR offenses.

As if this isn't bad enough, some outrageous lies were told in order to
get the bill passed.  Legislators reported they were told that if the
bill wasn't passed, Utah would automatically be subject to a federal
five-day waiting period for all firearms transactions.  Of course the
federal five-day waiting period expired in 1998, and was replaced with
the National Instant-Check System (NICS).  Utahns are already subject to
NICS checks.  The "five day waiting period" lie was perpetrated solely to
scare legislators into voting for a gun control bill.  Sadly, it worked.

And to make matters even worse, many witnesses report that the bill
passed the Senate AFTER midnight - which makes it unconstitutional and
void.

WE NEED HELP TO KILL SB 72 - and we need it NOW!  Gov. Leavitt can sign
it at any time!

Several activists (Arnold Gaunt, Brent Odenwalder and Sarah Thompson) met
with House leadership today.  (Reps. Marty Stephens, Kevin Garn, David
Ure and Greg Curtis)  UTGuns appreciates their willingness to meet and
discuss this problem.
Speaker Stephens says that he is "still waiting to hear from Gov.
Leavitt".  Leadership did not seem inclined to try to kill the bill based
on its content, or the blatant lies told to obtain passage.  While they
did vote against the bill, this attitude raises questions about the
sincerity of their opposition.

However, they did state that if the bill was indeed passed after
midnight, they would support invalidating it on that basis.

1. Please CALL each of these members of House Leadership AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE!  Time is very short, and the bill can be signed at any time.
Ask them to do EVERYTHING possible to stop Gov. Leavitt from signing the
bill.  Legislators do not read email when they're not in session so you
need to CALL or FAX them!
Speaker Marty Stephens
801-538-1930 (Capitol)
801-731-5346 (Home)
801-538-1908 (Fax)
Majority Leader Kevin Garn
801-544-3533 (Home)
801-776-0232 (Office)
801-776-0214 (Fax)
Majority Whip David Ure
435-783-4650 (Home)
435-783-2487 (Office)
435-783-4650 (Fax)
Ass't. Majority Whip Greg Curtis
801-943-3091 (Home)
801-569-5141 (Office)

Remember to be polite but assertive.  Don't let them play games with OUR
RIGHTS!

2. Call Governor Leavitt!  801-538-1000  Let him (or the staff person
handling bill signing and vetos) know that you would like the governor to
VETO SB 72 for the above reasons.  Please remind Gov. Leavitt that
allowing SB 72 to become law guarantees a vote for one of his four
(current) challengers.

3. Witnesses needed!
Were you at the Capitol the night of March 1?  Did you witness
legislators, lobbyists and others lying about SB 72?  Did you watch the
vote in the Senate?
If so, it is ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT that you contact the five people listed
above.  We also need a signed, notarized affidavit stating clearly what
you saw and heard.  (Contact Sarah at this address or 801-566-1067 for
details.)


CANDIDATES NEEDED!

Our legislators have a dismal record of protecting our rights this year.
No Representative has a voting record better than 60%.  No Senator has a
record better than 44%!  This is simply not acceptable.  (It is important
to remember that voting records do not reflect committee votes or
back-room politics, so they should not be considered an absolute measure
of a legislator's behavior.  But these numbers are so terrible that it's
hard to make a case that we have any pro-rights legislators.)

Volunteers are desperately needed to challenge some of these folks so
they don't come back for another 2-4 years!  We need YOU to file for
office!  Even if you don't have the time and money to mount a major
campaign, just the fact that you file has beneficial effects:
1. The legislator finds out that not everyone approves of what he's
doing.
2. The legislator actually has to do some work instead of just showing up
to claim his seat.  Even if he wins, you will have caused him pain,
expense, and embarrassment - and he'll be motivated not to let that
happen again!
3. By expressing a strong pro-liberty point of view, you will "pull" the
incumbent towards a pro-liberty point of view.  You will also educate
others in your district who will then become your allies in preserving
our rights.

A list of people who have filed to date can be found at:
http://www.governor.state.ut.us/lt_gover/2000candidates.html
If there are no good candidates in your House or Senate district, please
consider running!  The filing fees are low (less than $20 for a House
seat!), and you'll automatically get a delegate spot at the county (or
state if you're in a multi-county district) convention.  Filing deadline
is Friday 5 PM.  You lose nothing by filing; you can always withdraw if
you change your mind.


DELEGATES NEEDED!
Response to the UTGuns request for delegates is still not what it should
be.  MANY more people are needed to volunteer to be delegates!  Isn't it
worth a day or two of your time to make sure that good candidates are
elected?  Do you really WANT Mike Leavitt pushing gun control for another
four years?  Did YOUR legislators do an exemplary job of protecting your
life, liberty and property?
No?  Then volunteer to be a delegate!  This is the best (maybe only!) way
to promote responsible government.

Even if you have signed up on another list of delegates, please sign the
UTGuns list too!  We are not "competing" with anyone else for names.  We
are trying to compile a central list of names of people willing to
support some real pro-gun candidates.

For more information, or to sign up, go to:
http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/volunteer.html


RADIO ALERT!
Sarah Thompson and Arnold Gaunt will be appearing on Radio Liberty on
Thursday, March 16 from 5-7 PM.  Radio Liberty is hosted by Jim Dexter,
and can be found on KTKK, 630 AM.  Topics include SB 72, legislative
liars, gun bills in general, and delegate recruitment.  Please listen and
call in!
Salt Lake County, 801-254-5855.
North of SLCo, 801-670-5855
South of SLCo, 801-470-5855

Thanks!
Sarah



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