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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 99 12:14:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: National Forest - KEEP OUT

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From: "Weldon Clark" <[e-mail]>
Subject: National Forest - KEEP OUT
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:48:57 -0500

National Forest - KEEP OUT

If you enjoy any outdoor activities in your National Forests your
days are numbered. Bill Clinton is going to put a stop to your
recreation with a stroke of the pen. What will be affected? Mountain
Biking, Horse Back Riding, ATVs, Motorcycles, Hunting, Fishing, etc.

How will he do this? By blocking your access by motorized vehicle
to some 50 Million Acres of your own land. It's as simple as that.

Think this is more "Black Helicopter" conspiracy ranting?
Look at your Forest Service WEB site:

http://roadless.fs.fed.us

When you look at this WEB site use your head and take the time
to look past their simple sounding pronouncements of what they
say they are up to. Look at the what they're bragging about in
the "in the news" section. Note that this has nothing to do with
partisan politics or the right/left battles.

This act by Bill Clinton completely bypasses the congress and the
checks and balances against abuse of power which are the bases of
our freedom. In Part One of this plan, there will be a prohibition
on "road building" in National Forests. On the surface this seems
like a small thing. But when you see them talk about maintaining
the safety of existing roads know that they plan to close all
"unmaintained" roads. By doing this thing you will no longer have
vehicle access to some 380,000 thousand miles of your own roads.

In Part Two they finish the job by banning all "off road vehicles"
from use in "roadless" areas.

Perhaps you consider yourself an environmentalist and support this.
But consider; if you allow this to become law by royal decree, to
pass unchallenged, the next time a non-environmentalist President
gets into office he can use the same precedent to reverse the will
of congress like Clinton by Royal Edict.

The sword of tyranny cuts both ways.

Maybe you're a mountain biker who thinks this just gets dirt bikers,
etc. Don't fall for that "get the other guy" trap. Look at what the
folks behind this are really after, the complete prohibition of
human activity in our national forests.

So they play you against the dirt bike folks, or the hunters against
the ATV guys - makes no difference; if those of us who use National
Forests for legitimate purposes don't hang together and support each
other's rights - we shall all hang separately.

YOU MUST ACT TO STOP THIS. HERE'S HOW:

1. Please contact the Blue Ribbon Coalition for the very latest
information on the biggest land grab in American history:
http://sharetrails.org/choice.html

2. Forward this email to everyone you know.

3. You must send a written objection during the comment period
or you will lose your legal standing to object after this passes:
Here's how you do it.

Use this form:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/roadless/Roadless_Public_Comment_Form.htm

Write your comments to the USDA Forest Service-CAET,
Roadless Areas NOI,
PO Box 221090, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84122.

Fax them at 801-517-1021

email them at roadless/[e-mail]

4. Call and write to your representatives: http://congress.nw.dc.us/wnd/

5. Forward this message.

Other nifty links to your governments efforts to keep you out of your land:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/roadless/roadless.html

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/forests991013.html

http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/roadless/Roadless_Questions_and_Answers.htm

From The 2ndAmendmentNews Team
What To Do If The Police Come To Confiscate Your Militia Weapons,
 see http://www.2ndamendment.net
For legislative updates contact http://www.nealknox.com and go to
"Scripts from the Firearms Coalition Legislative Update Line"
Writing your CONGRESSMAN OR STATE LEGISLATORS can now be accomplished
at the speed of light, thanks to WorldNetDaily's new Legislative Action
Center: http://congress.nw.dc.us/wnd/
You can call your two Senators at [phone] and your
Representative at [phone] at the Capitol Switchboard.
Here is the URL for Congressional Telephone Directory:
http://clerkweb.house.gov/106/mbrcmtee/members/teledir/members/cdframe.htm
Here are e-mail links to Congress: http://in-search-of.org/
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html

The way to protect your own rights is to protect the rights
of others. Our right to own and use firearms is under attack.
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Cordially Yours,
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2ndAmendmentNews is published by volunteer activists who support
the full original individual rights intent of the 2nd Amendment
and oppose any appeasement on gun rights. The moderators include
Chris Behanna, Weldon Clark (an NRA director) and Steve Cicero.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in
peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the
hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may
posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. -- Samuel Adams,
speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776.


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:36:29 -0700
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Another Rosie Travesty That You Just Won't Believe!

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:03:19 EST
Subject: Another Rosie Travesty That You Just Won't Believe!
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About two weeks ago I got a call from a producer of the Latefah show in =
NY=20
City. They wanted to do a show on kids and guns.  I was told I was the =
ideal=20
family being a gun family with an 8 year old son etc.  They sent a =
cameraman=20
and producer to my home in Minneapolis and followed me around for two =
days.=20
They taped interviews with my wife, myself and 8 year old son and =
constantly=20
commented on how we were an ideal family. They showed my home security=20
system, safe and other measures I take to protect my son.  Teaching =
lethal=20
force for a living we obviously have many guns on the premises.
Both men had never touched a gun in their lives being from NY City. In =
a=20
short period of time I had them shooting and they LOVED it, and one =
intends=20
to buy a gun as soon as the  paperwork can clear in NY City. They were=20
surprised by the nice nature of the folks at the range and the family=20
atmosphere.  The cost for the two days was substantial with almost =
$2,000=20
just in airfare.
We were told our taping date in NY City and my wife, my 8 year old son, my =
23=20
year old daughter and myself were flown to New York City.  The Motel =
cost=20
them $250+ per room, limo from the airport to hotel and to studio, back =
to=20
hotel and the airport.  Another $2,000+ at least plus meal allowance.
Another producer visited us in our hotel room and said they loved us as =
a=20
safe gun family and shocked us when they said they would have Eddie =
Eagle=20
safety literature under every seat in the audience.  Things were looking =
up. =20
My son was assured he'd meet movie star Latefah and have his picture =
taken=20
with her.
We were told we'd be on withone someone that had lost a child or had a =
child=20
injured with a gun and to expect some emotional responses.  That is not =
a=20
problem as I have years of radio-TV experience and my own history of =
talk=20
shows. I can handle the best.
We were taken to the studios (same ones Rikki Lake uses) and taken to =
the=20
green room.  My 8 year old son would soon sit there for hours with nothing =
to=20
do.  He was a great kid.
At the end of the hall was a thug hiphop group that would appear on the =
show.=20
As I went to the restroom they were on cell phones trying to get bail for =
a=20
friend who was in jail.  The human debris in the room looked like an =
episode=20
of Cops was being taped instead of a talk show.
Numerous producers stopped by the green room and were excited about my=20
ability to respond to questions and were excited that I spoke in "sound=20
bites."  One producer in the hall told other stafferrs, "wait until this =
guy=20
gets on. It will get hot out there."
Queen Latifah then did an interview with an 8 year old kid who had taken =
a=20
pistol to school in New York City where he traded it for two Pokemon =
cards. =20
He admitted to being in a gang, no mother or father at home (old story) =
and=20
lived with his grandmother who could not control him.  His hero was a 15 =
year=20
old gang member and he said he was often in trouble for various things. =
=20
We went to makeup, got wired with mikes and told to get ready.  The =
stage=20
director took us to the lower level and had us stand behind a door.  We =
were=20
told there were only seconds to go before we walked on stage.  Suddenly =
the=20
stage director vanished and came back and said, "follow me."  We were =
taken=20
to the audience and seated. I was shocked to see my daughter also seated =
in=20
the audience.
Queen Latifah came out and looked into the teleprompter which I would =
see.=20
She read around our introduction and adlibbed the introduction of a New =
York=20
congressman who had been the defense minister for the Black Panthers. A =
woman=20
who had a son commit suicide with a gun over a decade before blubbered =
into=20
the camera. =20
Then the thug Hiphop group came out and did a filthy violence ridden =
song=20
that made me blush in front of my 8 year old.  As the show ended the 8 =
year=20
old that had taken a gun to school was showered with love and praise =
and=20
allowed to meet his thug Hiphop hero's and given CD's and T-shirts =
among=20
other things.  My kid who had done nothing but act in a responsible =
manner=20
around guns and taken his safety training etc., got ingored.  Queen =
Latefah=20
blew past him, ignored him, and us.  We were hustled to the limo like=20
burglars in the night and whisked to the airport.  Even some of the =
friendly=20
producers were in total shock and stunned.
We asked what had happened and we were told the decision to blow us off =
the=20
show with the NRA rep they  had flown in from national headquarters had =
come=20
from the very "top."  This show is a Time-Warner situation we will note.
My wife lost her cool and laid into them for how the 8 year old taking a =
gun=20
to school was a hero and smothered with attention etc., and the kid that =
did=20
it right was ignored and insulted and hurt by not meeting a movie star =
as=20
promised.  The producers had no response. =20
One thing did come out as we waited for the limos to arrive and I suspect =
it=20
was not by accident. The Queen Latefah show is a produce of Rosie =
O'Donnel=20
who just happened to be in NY City that day for a Christmas party at =
Frank's=20
Cafe.  Her and Latefah are old "chums" with strong business and possibly=20=

"personal" connections.
Suddenly the lights came on.  It was pretty obvious what happened and =
would=20
clearly explain why they blew off the substantial cost to support their=20
ongoing liberal agenda.  At least we got about $10K of her money.
There is no question in this case that Time-Warner and Rosie O'Donnel=20
strongly supported and strongly backed up the behavior of a 8 year old to =
be=20
in a gang and take a gun to school.  The kid named Jeremy even said that =
part=20
of going up the ranks in a gang was your popularity and notoriety which =
the=20
show will greatly enhance.  If this is exposed Rosie and Time Warner =
will=20
have a hell of a time trying to weasel out of this.  In their hand they =
had=20
two kids of the SAME age and one took a gun to school and is in a gang, =
and=20
the other is a good student and doing everything right. One got the =
star=20
treatment, one got blown off and ignored.  There isn't a lie big enough.
I thought at first it may have been something towards me, but to hustle =
the=20
NRA rep out the door as well made it clear it was purely a political =
anti-gun=20
agenda that someone at the last possible second acted upon.  And the =
media=20
wonders why shooters don't trust them and think they are anti-gun.  If =
anyone=20
wants more info, contact me I even have pictures I took.
Darrell E. Mulroy
Plus P Technology Inc.
Mpls, Minn.


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 19:28:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Another Rosie Travesty That You Just Won't Believe!

more readable

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:03:19 EST
Subject: Another Rosie Travesty That You Just Won't Believe!

About two weeks ago I got a call from a producer of the Latefah show
in NY City. They wanted to do a show on kids and guns. I was told I
was the ideal family being a gun family with an 8 year old son etc.
They sent a cameraman and producer to my home in Minneapolis and
followed me around for two days.

They taped interviews with my wife, myself and 8 year old son and
constantly commented on how we were an ideal family. They showed my
home security system, safe and other measures I take to protect my
son. Teaching lethal force for a living we obviously have many guns
on the premises.

Both men had never touched a gun in their lives being from NY City.
In a short period of time I had them shooting and they LOVED it, and
one intends to buy a gun as soon as the paperwork can clear in NY City.
They were surprised by the nice nature of the folks at the range and
the family atmosphere. The cost for the two days was substantial with
almost $2,000 just in airfare.

We were told our taping date in NY City and my wife, my 8 year old son,
my 23 year old daughter and myself were flown to New York City. The
Motel cost them $250+ per room, limo from the airport to hotel and to
studio, back to hotel and the airport. Another $2,000+ at least plus
meal allowance.

Another producer visited us in our hotel room and said they loved us as
a safe gun family and shocked us when they said they would have Eddie
Eagle safety literature under every seat in the audience. Things were
looking up.

My son was assured he'd meet movie star Latefah and have his picture
taken with her.

We were told we'd be on with someone that had lost a child or had a
child injured with a gun and to expect some emotional responses. That
is not a problem as I have years of radio-TV experience and my own
history of talk shows. I can handle the best.

We were taken to the studios (same ones Rikki Lake uses) and taken to
the green room. My 8 year old son would soon sit there for hours with
nothing to do. He was a great kid.

At the end of the hall was a thug hiphop group that would appear on
the show.

As I went to the restroom they were on cell phones trying to get bail
for a friend who was in jail. The human debris in the room looked like
an episode of Cops was being taped instead of a talk show.

Numerous producers stopped by the green room and were excited about my
ability to respond to questions and were excited that I spoke in "sound
bites." One producer in the hall told other staffers, "wait until this
guy gets on. It will get hot out there."

Queen Latifah then did an interview with an 8 year old kid who had taken
a pistol to school in New York City where he traded it for two Pokemon
cards.

He admitted to being in a gang, no mother or father at home (old story)
and lived with his grandmother who could not control him. His hero was a
15 year old gang member and he said he was often in trouble for various
things.

We went to makeup, got wired with mikes and told to get ready. The
stage director took us to the lower level and had us stand behind a
door. We were told there were only seconds to go before we walked on
stage. Suddenly the stage director vanished and came back and said,
"follow me." We were taken to the audience and seated. I was shocked
to see my daughter also seated in the audience.

Queen Latifah came out and looked into the teleprompter which I would see.

She read around our introduction and adlibbed the introduction of a New
York congressman who had been the defense minister for the Black Panthers.
A woman who had a son commit suicide with a gun over a decade before
blubbered into the camera.

Then the thug Hiphop group came out and did a filthy violence ridden
song that made me blush in front of my 8 year old. As the show ended
the 8 year old that had taken a gun to school was showered with love
and praise and allowed to meet his thug Hiphop heroes and given CDs
and T-shirts among other things. My kid who had done nothing but act
in a responsible manner around guns and taken his safety training etc.,
got ignored. Queen Latefah blew past him, ignored him, and us. We were
hustled to the limo like burglars in the night and whisked to the airport.
Even some of the friendly producers were in total shock and stunned.

We asked what had happened and we were told the decision to blow us off
the show with the NRA rep they had flown in from national headquarters
had come from the very "top." This show is a Time-Warner situation we
will note.

My wife lost her cool and laid into them for how the 8 year old taking
a gun to school was a hero and smothered with attention etc., and the
kid that did it right was ignored and insulted and hurt by not meeting
a movie star as promised. The producers had no response.

One thing did come out as we waited for the limos to arrive and I
suspect it was not by accident. The Queen Latefah show is a product
of Rosie O'Donnell who just happened to be in NY City that day for a
Christmas party at Frank's Cafe. Her and Latefah are old "chums" with
strong business and possibly "personal" connections.

Suddenly the lights came on. It was pretty obvious what happened and
would clearly explain why they blew off the substantial cost to support
their ongoing liberal agenda. At least we got about $10K of her money.

There is no question in this case that Time-Warner and Rosie O'Donnell
strongly supported and strongly backed up the behavior of a 8 year old
to be in a gang and take a gun to school. The kid named Jeremy even
said that part of going up the ranks in a gang was your popularity and
notoriety which the show will greatly enhance. If this is exposed Rosie
and Time Warner will have a hell of a time trying to weasel out of this.
In their hand they had two kids of the SAME age and one took a gun to
school and is in a gang, and the other is a good student and doing
everything right. One got the star treatment, one got blown off and
ignored. There isn't a lie big enough.

I thought at first it may have been something towards me, but to hustle
the NRA rep out the door as well made it clear it was purely a political
anti-gun agenda that someone at the last possible second acted upon. And
the media wonders why shooters don't trust them and think they are anti-
gun. If anyone wants more info, contact me I even have pictures I took.

Darrell E. Mulroy
Plus P Technology Inc.
Mpls, Minn.



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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 21:26:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: DN: Gun issues remain vibrant

http://www.desnews.com/dn/print/1,1442,145012977,00.html

Deseret News, Tuesday, December 21, 1999, 12:00 AM MST

Gun issues remain vibrant

Deseret News editorial

Contrary to some recent reports, the debate over gun issues is alive
and well on Utah's Capitol Hill.

Although public opinion polls show that a majority of Utahns want the
Legislature to ban concealed-carry permit holders from toting guns in
public schools and churches, there appears to be little will among
Republican lawmakers, who hold the majority of the seats in the House
and Senate, to revisit the issue.

Gov. Mike Leavitt, who at one point pressed for a special session on
gun-control issues, recognizes he doesn't have the votes to pursue his
earlier agenda. Yet Leavitt has been seen by some as retreating from
gun issues. In reality, he's being impugned for cutting his losses.

The challenge now becomes holding the Legislature to three pieces of
legislation that would enhance background checks of gun buyers. The
bills were endorsed by the Interim Judiciary Committee in August and
will be introduced during the 2000 Legislature. Beyond that, lawmakers
must be persuaded to spend additional money to enhance services for
the mentally ill and to conduct more extensive background checks of
gun buyers, as Leavitt has outlined in his proposed budget.

Democrats have vowed to revisit the concealed-carry issue during the
2000 session, but it is highly unlikely to go anywhere, despite
overwhelming public support for the measure. More than likely,
partisan politics will doom any bill sponsored by a Democrat.

Meanwhile, a grass-roots effort to place the concealed-carry issue on
the 2000 general election ballot is moving forward. Organizers need
more than 67,000 signatures to place the issue befor Utah voters.
Proponents of the initiative backers are attempting to collect all of
the needed signatures by the start of the 2000 legislative session.

If they are successful, their efforts should send a powerful message
to lawmakers. Public opinion polls conducted by Dan Jones & Associates
have repeatedly shown that a majority of Utahns don't want guns in
schools and churches, no matter if the owner holds a concealed-carry
permit.

The gun lobby perceives such legislation as a threat to the Second
Amendment, and gun dealers report an increase in sales and concealed-
carry permit applications as a result of debate over the issue.

People who are legally entitled to own guns should be able to
purchase them. These bills would widen the net for people whose
access to weapons should be restricted -- people convicted of
violent misdemeanors, people who have been civilly committed for
mental illness. A third bill would include juvenile criminal
records in background checks.

The proposed initiative is more controversial, but we have maintained
it, too, is needed. Guns do not belong in schools or places of worship.

Copyright 1999, Deseret News Publishing Corp.



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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:05:36 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: USSC Action Alert

Don't know if this has been seen here yet.  Apologies for any
duplication.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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Sorry for the delay. It's still a valid concern

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USSC Action Alert - 12/21/99 Misdemeanor Prohibition on the Purchase or
Possession of Firearms

On  November 17th  the Utah Interim Judiciary Committee approved a bill
(now
called Senate Bill 79)that will impose a three year ban on "purchase,
transfer, possession, use...custody or control" of any gun for people
convicted of any one of 33 misdemeanors.

On the bright side, he committee did drastically reduce the number of
misdemeanors from the list originally proposed by Governor Leavitt.
Also,
these misdemeanors will only impose a ban for three years after the date
of
conviction.  However, it is still completely unacceptable.

You need to call the members of the Utah House and Senate Judiciary
Committees and tell them that you oppose any bill that makes the
conviction
of misdemeanors a prohibition to purchasing or possessing firearms. You
also
need to call your individual state representative and state senator and
tell
them the same.  If you do not know the name of your individual state
representative and state senator call your county clerks office to get
that
information, or you can look it up using links on our web site
(www.UtahShootingSports.org)

One Senator reported that phone calls to the committee have been running
10
to 1 in favor of more gun control.  We need to light up their phones to
let
them know that the vocal minority of anti-gun zealots does not speak for
Utahns. Many of the committee members have been very supportive of gun
owners in the past so it is very important to be polite in your
communications with them. Many of these committee members boldly voted
against Governor Leavitt's call for a special session of the legislature
to
pass more gun control, so they are not all bad guys.

The full text of this bill (SB 79) is available on the Utah Legislature
site
http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/bills/sbillint/SB0079.htm

The Utah Shooting Sports Council is strongly opposed to having citizens
loose their right to keep and bear arms for the conviction of
misdemeanors.
We feel that if specific misdemeanor crimes warrant the loss of civil
rights
then those crimes should be elevated to the level of felonies.
Historically
the loss of civil rights has been for conviction of felonies, not
misdemeanors.  If this list of misdemeanors approved as a three year ban,
you can be certain that the anti-gun zealots will be back every year to
add
more offenses to the list, and raise the ban from three years to forever.
This bill is a potential threat to every gun owner in the state.

The Utah Shooting Sports Council is urging the legislature to do
something
constructive to reduce gun violence. We are encouraging them to support
vigorous enforcement of existing laws to get armed criminals off the
streets.  Utah is NOT prosecuting convicted felons who try to buy guns.
The
"Violent Misdemeanor" bill's sponsor has even admitted that he doubts if
anyone would be prosecuted under it.  Then why pass it at all?

The Utah Legislature will be back in session January 17th.  It is
imperative
that they start hearing from gun owners now. Below is a list of the
committee members.  Please contact all of them.  If you call a few every
day
it won't be to much work.  Remember getting mad about gun control
accomplishes nothing.  You need to take action.  Contact these committee
members.  Tell them that you oppose any bill that restricts gun right
based
on a misdemeanor.

UTAH SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE:

Senator Terry Spencer, Chair 1110 N Kimberly Dr. Layton, Utah 84302
543-4450
[e-mail]

Senator Parley Hellewell 492 S 1000 W Orem, Utah 84058 226-3034
[e-mail]

Senator Lyle Hillyard 175 East First North Logan, Utah 84321 H-753-0043
O-752-2610 [e-mail]

Senator John Valentine 857 East 970 North Orem, Utah 84057 H-224-1693
[e-mail]

Senator Mike Dmitrich 566 North Dover Circle Price, Utah 84501 H-637-0426
O-637-2875 [e-mail]

Senator Pete Suazo 1307 Garnette Street Salt Lake City UT 84116 H
521-3751 O
328-8181 [e-mail]

UTAH HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

Representative A. Lamont Tyler, Chair 3810 Eastwood Lane Salt Lake City,
Utah 84109 H 801-272-1218  O 801-581-6920 (fax) 801-585-9291
[e-mail]

Representative Glenn L. Way, Vice Chair 348 South 1480 East Spanish Fork,
Utah 84660 H 801-798-2295 [e-mail]

Representative John Swallow 1260 East Bell View Circle Sandy, Utah 84094
H
801-572-8201 O 801-553-9805 F 801-571-6545 [e-mail]

Representative Katherine Bryson 833 South 300 West Orem, Utah 84058 H
801-226-2061 [e-mail]

Representative Martin Stephens (also Speaker of the House) 3159 North
Higley
Road Farr West, Utah 84404 H 801-731-5346 O 801-524-2626 F 801-594-8229
[e-mail]

Representative Bill Hickman 214 North Emeraud Dr. St. George, Utah 84770
H
435-673-2671 O 435-674-5200

Representative Chad Bennion 136 East 4800 South Murray, Utah 84107 H
801-281-1607 O 801-264-2678 F 801-288-2144 [e-mail]

Representative Greg Curtis P.O. Box 2084 Sandy, Utah 84091 H 801-943-3091
O
801-569-5141 [e-mail]

Representative Patrice Arent 6281 South Havenbrook Circle Salt Lake City,
Utah 84121 H 801-272-1956 O 801-272-1956 F 801-272-4450
[e-mail]

Representative Neal Hendrickson 3402 West 4100 South West Valley City,
Utah
84119 H 801-969-8920 [e-mail]

Representative Gary Cox 4468 Tidwell Street Kearns, Utah 84118-5233 H
801-967-9760 O 801-569-5216 [e-mail]


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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 99 23:13:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: USSC Action Alert

USSC Action Alert - 12/21/99 Misdemeanor Prohibition on the Purchase or
Possession of Firearms

On November 17th the Utah Interim Judiciary Committee approved a bill (now
called Senate Bill 79) that will impose a three year ban on "purchase,
transfer, possession, use... custody or control" of any gun for people
convicted of any one of 33 misdemeanors.

On the bright side, the committee did drastically reduce the number of
misdemeanors from the list originally proposed by Governor Leavitt.  Also,
these misdemeanors will only impose a ban for three years after the date of
conviction.  However, it is still completely unacceptable.

You need to call the members of the Utah House and Senate Judiciary
Committees and tell them that you oppose any bill that makes the conviction
of misdemeanors a prohibition to purchasing or possessing firearms. You also
need to call your individual state representative and state senator and tell
them the same.  If you do not know the name of your individual state
representative and state senator call your county clerks office to get that
information, or you can look it up using links on our web site
(www.UtahShootingSports.org)

One Senator reported that phone calls to the committee have been running 10
to 1 in favor of more gun control.  We need to light up their phones to let
them know that the vocal minority of anti-gun zealots does not speak for
Utahns. Many of the committee members have been very supportive of gun
owners in the past so it is very important to be polite in your
communications with them. Many of these committee members boldly voted
against Governor Leavitt's call for a special session of the legislature to
pass more gun control, so they are not all bad guys.

The full text of this bill (SB 79) is available on the Utah Legislature site
http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/bills/sbillint/SB0079.htm

The Utah Shooting Sports Council is strongly opposed to having citizens
lose their right to keep and bear arms for the conviction of misdemeanors.
We feel that if specific misdemeanor crimes warrant the loss of civil rights
then those crimes should be elevated to the level of felonies.  Historically
the loss of civil rights has been for conviction of felonies, not
misdemeanors.  If this list of misdemeanors is approved as a three year ban,
you can be certain that the anti-gun zealots will be back every year to add
more offenses to the list, and raise the ban from three years to forever.
This bill is a potential threat to every gun owner in the state.

The Utah Shooting Sports Council is urging the legislature to do something
constructive to reduce gun violence.  We are encouraging them to support
vigorous enforcement of existing laws to get armed criminals off the
streets.  Utah is NOT prosecuting convicted felons who try to buy guns.
The "Violent Misdemeanor" bill's sponsor has even admitted that he doubts
if anyone would be prosecuted under it.  Then why pass it at all?

The Utah Legislature will be back in session January 17th.  It is imperative
that they start hearing from gun owners now. Below is a list of the
committee members.  Please contact all of them.  If you call a few every day
it won't be too much work.  Remember getting mad about gun control
accomplishes nothing.  You need to take action.  Contact these committee
members.  Tell them that you oppose any bill that restricts gun rights
based on a misdemeanor.

UTAH SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE:

Senator Terry Spencer, Chair 1110 N Kimberly Dr. Layton, Utah 84302 543-4450
[e-mail]

Senator Parley Hellewell 492 S 1000 W Orem, Utah 84058 226-3034
[e-mail]

Senator Lyle Hillyard 175 East First North Logan, Utah 84321 H-753-0043
O-752-2610 [e-mail]

Senator John Valentine 857 East 970 North Orem, Utah 84057 H-224-1693
[e-mail]

Senator Mike Dmitrich 566 North Dover Circle Price, Utah 84501 H-637-0426
O-637-2875 [e-mail]

Senator Pete Suazo 1307 Garnette Street Salt Lake City UT 84116 H 521-3751 O
328-8181 [e-mail]

UTAH HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

Representative A. Lamont Tyler, Chair 3810 Eastwood Lane Salt Lake City,
Utah 84109 H 801-272-1218 O 801-581-6920 (fax) 801-585-9291
[e-mail]

Representative Glenn L. Way, Vice Chair 348 South 1480 East Spanish Fork,
Utah 84660 H 801-798-2295 [e-mail]

Representative John Swallow 1260 East Bell View Circle Sandy, Utah 84094 H
801-572-8201 O 801-553-9805 F 801-571-6545 [e-mail]

Representative Katherine Bryson 833 South 300 West Orem, Utah 84058 H
801-226-2061 [e-mail]

Representative Martin Stephens (also Speaker of the House) 3159 North Higley
Road Farr West, Utah 84404 H 801-731-5346 O 801-524-2626 F 801-594-8229
[e-mail]

Representative Bill Hickman 214 North Emeraud Dr. St. George, Utah 84770 H
435-673-2671 O 435-674-5200

Representative Chad Bennion 136 East 4800 South Murray, Utah 84107 H
801-281-1607 O 801-264-2678 F 801-288-2144 [e-mail]

Representative Greg Curtis P.O. Box 2084 Sandy, Utah 84091 H 801-943-3091 O
801-569-5141 [e-mail]

Representative Patrice Arent 6281 South Havenbrook Circle Salt Lake City,
Utah 84121 H 801-272-1956 O 801-272-1956 F 801-272-4450
[e-mail]

Representative Neal Hendrickson 3402 West 4100 South West Valley City, Utah
84119 H 801-969-8920 [e-mail]

Representative Gary Cox 4468 Tidwell Street Kearns, Utah 84118-5233 H
801-967-9760 O 801-569-5216 [e-mail]



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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 99 16:15:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: GOUtah! Alert #38 - 22 December 1999 1/2

GOUtah!
Gun Owners of Utah

Utah's Uncompromising, Independent Gun Rights Network.
No Compromise. No Retreat. No Surrender. Not Now. Not Ever.

Visit our website at http://www.slpsa.org/goutah!

GOUtah! Alert #38 - 22 December 1999

Today's Voice of Liberty:

"We must have government, but we must watch them like a hawk"
- -- Millicent Fenwick

If you wish to be added to the GOUtah! list, please log onto our website
at http://www.slpsa.org/goutah! or send an e-mail to [e-mail]
or send a fax to [phone] asking to be added to the GOUtah! list.

We strongly encourage you to forward, copy and share this information with
others, on the condition that you pass along the entire document intact and
unmodified, and that GOUtah! is clearly indicated as the original source of
the material, unless otherwise noted.

GOUtah! and US-DIN! Meet with Utah DPS/BCI Management on CCW Issues and
Concerns

Representatives of GOUtah! and US-DIN! met for nearly two hours on Friday
17 December 1999 with representatives of Utah Department of Public
Safety/BCI Division on issues of concern regarding the Utah CCW program.

The meeting was generally cordial, with GOUtah! and US-DIN! presenting a
clear and united front in support of the rights and interests of Utah's CCW
instructors and permit holders. The lines of communication with this
regulatory agency are now open and we will keep you posted as to our
ongoing efforts to effectively deal with these issues.

White House Prepares To Launch "All-Out Offensive" Against Second Amendment
From the NRA-ILA FAX ALERT-Vol. 6, No. 49 12/17/99

The Clinton-Gore Administration is clearly frustrated over its inability
this year to advance legislation attacking our right to keep and bear arms.
Now it appears that its frustration is being transformed into action above
and beyond the well-publicized lawsuit aimed at intimidating the firearms
industry (see FAX Alert Vol. 6, No. 48 for details on the Clinton-Gore-HUD
lawsuit threat).

According to a Dec. 15 Washington Post story, an unnamed but "senior White
House official" stated that the Administration will "prepare an all-out
offensive on guns in the coming year." The meeting was run by White House
Chief of Staff John D. Podesta, and include Domestic Policy Chief Bruce N.
Reed, Deputy Treasury Secretary Stuart E. Eizenstat, Deputy Attorney
General Eric H. Holder, Jr., Vice Presidential Counsel Charles W. Burson,
Presidential Adviser Joel Johnson, and HUD Secretary Andrew M. Cuomo. The
White House official stated that Podesta would ask those attending the
meeting "to come up with a series of actions to build pressure on the gun
industry for an agreement and intensify the pressure on Congress to break
the logjam on the gun bill and provide the president with a series of
executive actions he can take in the weeks and months to come."

While the source would not give details, he did state that the Clinton-Gore
plan would include extra spending by the Department of Justice and
Department of the Treasury. However, White House Press Secretary Joe
Lockhart tipped the President's hand somewhat, when he stated in a Dec. 15
press conference that, "We're exploring using...our executive authority
invested in the President...." The White House is convinced the public
wants more "gun control," even though public opinion polls state otherwise,
and Americans seem especially united in their opposition to using the
courts to attack lawful businesses such as gun manufacturers.

A recent poll by the Tarrance Group, for example, found that 84% of
the public feels that people who use firearms illegally should be held
responsible, and only 5% feel that manufacturers or retailers should
be held responsible for third-party firearm misuse. And in a Dec. 17
editorial, even the Washington Post came out against the Clinton-Gore
team's threatened suit. While the Post is in full support of increasing
restrictions on law-abiding gun owners, going so far as to support handgun
bans, it concedes that Congress, not the courts, is the appropriate venue
for making such public policy changes. The editorial refers to the
Clinton-Gore-HUD suit as "an abuse of a valuable system, one that could
make it less valuable as people come to view the legal system as nothing
more than an arm of policymakers."

GOUtah! Note: For more complete background information on the Clinton White
House anti-gun agenda see:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/library/ThisWeek.cgi?type=b&date=0&briefing=2
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