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utah-firearms-digest       Friday, May 21 1999       Volume 02 : Number 136




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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:06:57 -0600
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ALERT! Call Borin' Orrin & Others Now!

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>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:12:20 -0600
>Subject: Re: Hatch Calls
>From: "Jim Dexter" <[e-mail]>
>To: "Mr. Black" <[e-mail]>
>
>I just got a phonecall from a member who said he just called Sen. Hatch's
>SLC office (524-4380) to protest Hatch's support of more gun control. He
>said the person he talked to claimed that calls were running 90% in favor of
>Orrin's recent flipflop.
>
>It looks like the forces of darkness and evil have organized. Strike back!
>Call Hatch and Bennett and Cook and Cannon and Hansen ASAP and let them know
>we don't need no more steenkin' gun laws.
>
>


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Date: Mon, 17 May 99 13:27:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: Alert: Hatch Claims 90% Support

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:50:59 -0600
Subject: LPU: Alert: Hatrch Claims 90% Support
From: "Jim Dexter" <[e-mail]>

I just got a phonecall from a nonmember who said he just called Sen. Hatch's
SLC office (524-4380) to protest Hatch's support of more gun control. He
said the person he talked to claimed that calls were running 90% in favor of
Orrin's recent flipflop.

It looks like the forces of darkness and evil have organized. Strike back!
Call Hatch and Bennett and Cook and Cannon and Hansen ASAP and let them know
we don't need no more steenkin' gun laws.



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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:53:07 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Another sleazy executive order

Another sleazy executive order=20

Congressman Tom Campbell, R-Calif., recently received a wealth of mixed =
praise for compelling Congress to actually do their job under the War =
Powers Act. If only he, or any other congresscritter faithful to their =
oath, would compel a vote for the elimination of the unconstitutional, =
routinely abused legislation by executive order, it might actually save =
the Republic.=20

Our erstwhile commander in grief has again reportedly executed another =
insidious and unconstitutional decree. This latest executive order =
apparently bans all imports of all foreign made weapons, guns, parts, and =
ammunition. This royal fiat was reportedly signed before the U.S. Senate =
folded like a house of rice paper cards, and whimpered for a "do over." =
This latest insidious "excrement" order is supposed to become effective =
officially and publicly in mid June.=20

The impeached, in-contempt-of-court, lying sociopath in the oval office =
has again answered the questions his smarmy Arkansas buddy and defender of =
the indefensible, Sen. Dale Bumpers, asked the Senate during the impeachmen=
t trial: "Why put him out of office now? He has so little time left. How =
much damage could he do in the time he has left?" HELL-O?=20
        =B7    How about starting World War III?=20
=B7    How about trashing the Constitution and Bill of Rights?=20
=B7    How about giving the communist Red Chinese the neutron bomb and =
exposing the entire West Coast of the United States naked to a real =
nuclear threat?=20
=B7    How about neutering and diluting the U.S. military?=20

"How much damage could he do in the time he has left?" Bumpers asked. =
Given the year is not yet half over, I shudder to think "how much damage =
he could do in the time he has left."=20

Allegedly, the short time President has had the U.S. Customs, the Secret =
Service, and other agencies turn around ships that had any imported =
weapons on board to deny them entering our ports. And, this supposedly has =
been going on for the past two months. BEFORE this latest executive order, =
and BEFORE the Senate elected to personify the definition of hypocrisy: =
"the act or practice of pretending to be what one is not, or to have =
principles or beliefs that one does not have." You damn betcha!=20

Last week the anti-gun Democrats were foaming at the mouth on their =
vitriolic offensive. The supposed "majority" Republicans tucked tail and =
gave up significant Second Amendment ground as soon as critics said mean =
things. Scores of weak-kneed Republicans crossed party lines to support =
gun control proposals on two separate occasions. Then on a third vote, =
several Republicans crossed over to give anti-gun Senators "Upchuck" =
Schumer and "Chicom" DiFi a victory in their efforts to ban the importation=
 of high-capacity magazines. The words "shall not be infringed" were =
replaced with "shall not be tolerated."=20

So, let me get this straight:=20
        =B7    Congress votes to reject the gun-grabbers' =
unconstitutional overreaching.=20
=B7    Clinton executes an executive order, which supposedly will not be =
officially admitted to for another month.=20
=B7    Congress has a myopic epiphany and begs for and gets a sandlot =
"do-over."=20
=B7    Congress affirms the unlawful premature execution of an excrement =
order they are not supposed to know of yet.=20

American poet Longfellow once observed, "We judge ourselves by what we =
feel capable of doing; others judge us by what we have done." What HAS =
Congress done?=20

Young Adult Gun Ban. This ban, which passed 96-2, could severely punish =
parents who allowed their kids to even touch a so-called semi-automatic =
"assault weapon." This amendment includes certain exemptions -- kinda, but =
there are imponderable questions which NO senator could answer. However, =
although the creators of this law can't explain it, a parent would be =
required to do what the creators could not in order to avoid going to =
jail.=20

Just what the hell is a "semiautomatic assault weapon"? MY definition has =
always been ANY weapon pointed at me.=20

However, the congressional definition/obfuscation -- plus exemptions -- =
takes up six pages of fine type in the U.S. Code.=20

Congress says a child can handle a banned semi-auto if he is in the =
"immediate and supervisory presence" of a parent, or if he possess a =
written permission slip from the parent. Seems "reasonable." However, a =
parent can receive 20 years in jail IF during a target practice session, =
the parent walks to the car to retrieve more ammunition and the juvenile =
is no longer in the parent's "immediate" presence and he does not have a =
permission slip?=20

Republicans preemptively rolled over, covered their two faces and =
surrendered to Chuck Schumer. But they weren't alone in their perfidy. =
Sure Republican Sen. John Ashcroft introduced the young adult gun ban, and =
four other Republicans (Hatch , Craig , McCain and Gordon Smith) sponsored =
the amendment requiring background checks at gun shows.=20

According to the Associated Press, "Craig, a member of the National Rifle =
Association board of directors, said the organization had 'grudgingly' =
agreed" to the gun show amendment. AGAIN, the NRA leadership refuses to =
lead, refuses to follow, and refuses to get out of the way.=20

On a voice vote, the Senate voted to ban the importation of magazines =
holding more than 10 rounds. (Remember, previously -- just one day earlier =
- -- the Senate defeated a motion to kill the amendment by a vote of =
59-39.)=20

Anti-gun senators claimed these magazines were impractical for "hunting." =
Excuse ME, but the Second Amendment doesn't have anything to do with =
anyone's ability to HUNT. The Second Amendment was/is intended to provide =
"the people" with the tools necessary to oppose tyranny.=20
Thomas Jefferson noted, "When governments fear the people there is =
liberty. When people fear the government there is tyranny."=20

Confucius said, "An oppressive government is much worse than a man-eating =
tiger."=20

Republicans who sold out need to hear from you. You should express YOUR =
views and opinions of what they have done -- and what they have not done. =
Remind them of what John F. Kennedy said: "If we make peaceful revolution =
impossible, we make violent revolution inevitable." If they are not =
concerned about the here-and-now, try reminding them what Dante wrote =
in=20

The Inferno, "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a =
time of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."=20

If Dante was right, the Devil must be clearing a hot zone for Republican =
cowards and NRA collaborators.=20


Geoff Metcalf is a talk-show host for KSFO in San Francisco.=20


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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:21:49 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: The Day the NRA Died?

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L.A. Times
Editorial=20
May 18, 1999

[Edited for brevity]=20

"Stand Up, Be Counted on Guns=20

"Today could be freedom day for U.S. senators who=20
know that responsible gun control is a sane, effective=20
way to combat violence but have refused to support=20
such controls for fear of the gun lobby. This day offers=20
them freedom from the tyranny of the NRA and its=20
dwindling ability to exact electoral revenge on its foes.=20
If they have a little courage, these senators can finally=20
throw off their fealty to the NRA and vote the wish of=20
most Americans for passage of several gun control=20
proposals. .... the Littleton ... massacre has forever altered=20
the dynamics of the gun control debate.  No longer can the=20
gun lobby claim the moral ground of constitutional principle.=20
The sea change began last Wednesday .... The Senate is=20
scheduled to vote today on several gun control amendments=20
to the juvenile justice bill. Democrats are demanding another=20
chance to clamp down appropriately on gun show sales,=20
and to approve a requirement that every handgun sold=20
have a child-proof safety lock. Republican moderates=20
and others can declare their freedom at last from the gun lobby.=20
All they need do is vote yes."


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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:11:31 -0600
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Rule: Re[2]: Say No to More Gun Control

Yeah, right!

>Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:06:46 -0700
>From: [e-mail] (Frank Lautenberg)
>Subject: Rule: Re[2]: Say No to More Gun Control
>To: [e-mail] (Sarah Thompson)
>
>     Thank you for contacting me about gun control.
>
>            I know that there are millions of law abiding gun owners in the
>     United States who legally possess firearms for legitimate purposes.
>     The right to own firearms is guaranteed by the Constitution, and as
>     with all constitutional rights, this right must be protected.  At the
>     same time, Congress has a responsibility, acting within the
>     Constitution, to ensure that innocent people are not unreasonably put
>     at risk by firearms.  For that reason, I have supported measures to
>     keep guns from felons, drug dealers and others who would use them to
>     inflict harm.
>
>            Restricting the use of lethal weapons is not a cure-all
>     solution to the problem of crime.  Clearly we have to get tougher on
>     criminals, and we need to beef up our law enforcement system with more
>     police, more prosecutors, and more prisons.  You have my assurance
>     that I will do all I can to fight crime, and as the Senate continues
>     to consider related legislation, I will keep your views in mind.
>
>            Again, thanks for contacting me.
>
>
>                                                Sincerely,
>
>                                                Frank R. Lautenberg
>                                                United States Senator


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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:43:22 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Fw: TO BILL - THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES (fwd)

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On May 18, Rae Starr wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows -------------------=
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Received a copy of the following, no date, no way to check authenticity.
But the argument probably stands on its own.

>Subject: TO BILL - THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES
>
>As I was making my daily journey to the Post Office the other day,
>I patiently waited for a car to vacate a parking space near the door.
>As the rear of the vehicle came toward me, I noticed a bumper sticker,
>which read, in big, bold letters, "THANK ME.  I VOTED CLINTON-GORE."
>
>Pondering the message of the brave, stubborn soul in the car ahead of
>me, I considered all the things I could be thankful for as a result of
>the Clinton-Gore regime.  Indeed, I discovered the list was long and
>varied.
>
>Thank you for reminding us that the government that gave us the Internal
>Revenue Service and welfare also lusts for control of the greatest
>healthcare system in the world.
>
>Thank you for reminding that the FBI, who has a file on millions
>of Americans, including myself, can give those files to people powerful
>enough to demand them.
>
>Thank you for giving us a President who supports partial-birth abortions.
>
>Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica
>Lewinsky and about two dozen other names that we might not have met and
>known otherwise.
>
>Thank you for allowing a WAR HERO and the author of one of the most
>successful military campaigns in history to leave the presidency
>because, no matter how successful he was, in all our moral outrage, we
>just wouldn't tolerate someone who would lie to the American people by
>promising "no new taxes" and then going back on his word. We certainly
>can't have a liar in the White House, now can we?
>
>Thank you for giving us a President who discusses his choice of
>underwear with teenagers.  We always wondered if presidents wore boxers
>or briefs.
>
>Thank you for installing a man who reminds us of those good old days of
>pot smoking (without inhaling, of course) and war PROTESTING.
>
>Thank you for showing us that the ridiculous plot of the movie, "Wag the
>Dog," could really be plausible after all.
>
>Thank you for showing all the men and women in America that sexual
>harassment in the workplace, and on the job, is okay as long as it
>involves powerful middle-age executives and young women half their age
>under their power. It is, after all, a "private matter."
>
>Thank you for revealing that the agenda of the National Organization of
>Women only includes some women.  Women like Anita Hill and not women
>like Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, et al.
>
>Thank you for reintroducing the concept of "impeachment" to a new
>generation that missed the discussion surrounding it the last time it
>was brought up.
>
>Thank you for curing me of my addiction to the evening news.
>
>Thank you for reminding us that, when all is said and done,
>"CHARACTER" really, really DOES matter.
>
>And, in comparison to recent days:
>
>Thank you for making Dan Quayle look like a Rhodes Scholar.
>Thank you for making Jimmy Carter look competent.
>Thank you for making Gerald Ford look graceful.
>Thank you for making Richard Nixon look honest.
>Thank you for making Lyndon Johnson look truthful.
>Thank you for making John Kennedy look moral.
>Thank you for making Al Gore look positively presidential.
>Thank you for reminding us of the importance of term limits.
>
>And really, thank you not once, but twice!  Why, if not for YOU, instead
>of the current, interesting discussion all over the television networks
>and newspapers, we would be focused on a whole slew of trivial matters
>such as global defense, the economy, nukes in North Korea, genocide in
>Africa, the containment of terrorism, and all those other boring topics.
>
>So, thank you, thank you, thank you!  Oh, and if you voted for Ross
>Perot, thank you, too.  You deserve just as much of the credit as my
>friend with the bumper sticker.
>
>Since Bill Clinton took office, here are some of the "GOOD" things that
>have happened:
>
>*72 House and Senate witnesses have plead the fifth.
>*17 witnesses have fled the country to avoid testifying.
>*19 foreign witnesses have refused to be interviewed by
>    US investigative bodies.
>*19 prosecutions from Whitewater investigations.
>*14 convictions from Whitewater investigations.
>*8 imprisonments from Whitewater investigations.
>*55 total charges in all Clinton scandals.
>*32 total convictions (so far) in all Clinton scandals.
>*14 total imprisonment's (so far) in all Clinton scandals.
>*938 overnight stays at the White House for Clinton donors.
>*$40 million-cost of Clinton's trip to China.
>*62 House of Representative seats that have changed
>    from Democrat to Republican.
>*12 Senate seats that have changed from Democrat to Republican.
>*13 Governorships that have changed from Democrat to Republican
>*1,200 state legislative seats that have changed
>       from Democrat to Republican
>*353 elected Democrats who have switched parties
>     since Clinton took office.
>
>Yes, it's been an interesting six years for "the most ethical
>administration in the history of the Republic." But then ...
>everybody knows it's ALL the fault of the "Vast right-wing conspiracy."
>Go figure...!
>
>(By an Episcopalian Minister in Georgia)

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Date: Tue, 18 May 99 18:24:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: FYI. My Response to the Gun OPINIONS of a Couple LDS Leaders.

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:44:08 -0600
Subject: LPU: FW: FYI. My Response to the Gun OPINIONS of a Couple LDS Leaders.
From: "Jim Dexter" <[e-mail]>

From an LDS member in response to the article on the Church's position on guns.

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To All:

There are some elected officials who will buy -- hook, line, and sinker --
any random OPINION that comes from some one (or a couple) LDS leaders.  We
have to be prepared to respond to these OPINIONS (they are not official
policy no matter how bad the UEA wants it to be).  I believe this can be
most effectively done by minimizing the significance of these OPINIONS,
putting them into the proper perspective of being in the minority.  Here is
how I have formulated my response:

MY RESPONSE TO M. RUSSELL BALLARD'S AND ALEXANDER MORRISON'S REMARKS (see
www.sltrib.com/05161999/utah/105969.htm):  "Oh, it was just their opinions;
they're entitled to them.  The Church leadership are probably just giving
the minority in the church a fair chance to air their views -- just like
they did regarding the Democrat party news interview.  After all, who wants
to stifle the minority in the Church just because they believe differently?

"I'm sure that for every one leader with those views, there are many more
that believe differently.  But official Church policy is supported by the
unanimous approval of the First Presidency and Council of the Twelve -- the
scripturally-constituted governing body of the Church.  As you recall, the
Church declined to endorse, or even consider, the latest resolution backed
by several other churches in Utah that called for stricter gun laws.  They
have also not taken an official position on guns other than that the
Constitution and Bill of Rights are divine documents and that it is a law
in heaven that a man has every right to defend himself and his family from
all forms of danger and tyranny.

"This included Joseph Smith, the head of this dispensation, who carried a
very concealed, pepperbox pistol into prison (very much against the law)
and used it to defend himself and his friends against the murderous mob (he
fired 6 quick shots and wounded three men as they rushed up the stairs in
Carthage to kill him).  His timely actions slowed the mob and likely saved
Wilford Woodruff and Willard Richards from also being murdered.  Thank God
Joseph was able to have access to that pistol or our third President might
never have been."


HINCKLEY'S APRIL 19 REMARKS (quoted by SL Tribune at
www.sltrib.com/05161999/utah/105969.htm):
"It becomes apparent to all that a way must be found to keep the mentally
ill from senseless acts of violence," Hinckley said. "You cannot have an
indiscriminate allowance of firearms without abuses."

MY RESPONSE:  "Hey, I completely agree with President Hinckley.  You can't
have _totally_ indiscriminate allowance of firearms without abuses.  If
someone with serious, violent mental illness gets out of a psychiatric
facility or prison too soon, and they get unlimited access to firearms,
there could be real trouble."

Mr. Black

P.S. Exerpts from Pres. Gordon B. Hinckley's interview with Larry King
(portions accentuated):

Larry King:
This is politics aside then?

President Gordon B. Hinckley:
Politics aside. The Church does not become involved in politics. We don't
favor any candidate. We don't permit our buildings to be used for political
purposes. We don't favor any party.

Larry King:
But you do speak out or will speak out more on moral issues?

President Gordon B. Hinckley:
We speak very strongly on moral issues. Gambling, liquor, what have you.
Yes.

Larry King:
Against them all. Right?

President Gordon B. Hinckley:
That's right.

Larry King:
How about guns?

President Gordon B. Hinckley:
GUNS, WE HAVEN'T DONE MUCH WITH. I don't have one.

Larry King:
Neither do I. But are you thinking about maybe speaking out more on that?

President Gordon B. Hinckley:
I DON'T THINK WE'VE GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION THAT I REMEMBER.



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 02:09:12 -0600
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: ALERT!  Socialist, anti-gun lies

>This is sickening!  I don't hear any complaints about campaign donations
>from trial lawyers who want to sue gun manufacturers.  I don't hear any
>complaints about campaign contributions in exchange for military secrets.
>I think we need a response -
>
>WANT NUKES OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE CHINESE?
>GET FOREIGN MONEY OUT OF OUR POLITICS!
>
>Send YOUR comments to: [e-mail]
>
>Moll
>
>"WANT GUNS OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS? GET GUN MONEY OUT OF OUR POLITICS"
>Public Campaign Launches Ad Targeting Members of Congress
>
>WASHINGTON -- Calling attention to the much overlooked but obvious influence
>of campaign contributions from the gun lobby over the gun control debate in
>Washington, Public Campaign took out a full-page ad in Roll Call today. The
>ad, which will also run in The New York Times within the next two weeks,
>identifies some of the lawmakers who benefited most from gun money on Capitol
>Hill, and headlines with "Want guns out of our schools? [We need to] get gun
>money out of our politics." All of these members have taken stands opposing
>gun safety laws.
>
>"All the soul searching following the horrible tragedy at Columbine has
>missed one of the essential elements of the problem -- easy access to guns,"
>said the executive director of Public Campaign, Ellen Miller. "Of course no
>one condones this sort of senseless violence, but it is no coincidence that
>those who benefit most from gun money are the ones talking the least about
>curtailing the access our children have to guns."
>
>The ad prominently features pictures of the top ten beneficiaries of gun
>lobby expenditures on Capitol Hill and the amount the gun lobby spent on
>their behalf. They include: Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY), $197,175; Sen. Fred
>Thompson (R-TN), $192,704; Sen. Bill Frist (R-TN), $186,619; Sen. James
>Inhofe (R-OK), $176,607; Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), $105,187; Rep. Paul Ryan
>(R-WI), $88,429; Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ), $80,808; Rep. Steve Chabot
>(R-OH), $74,233; Rep. Rick Hill (R-MT), $72,393; and, Rep. Merrill Cook
>(R-UT), $65,737.
>
>The gun lobby has spent a total of $15.5 million funding federal candidates
>and parties, and in independent expenditures, since 1991. And while the clear
>majority of Americans -- even a majority of gun owners -- wants stricter gun
>laws, elected representatives on Capitol Hill ignore the will of the people,
>failing time after time to pass stronger gun laws.
>
>"The NRA and the gun industry get what they want from Congress because of the
>millions of dollars they give to candidates or spend on their behalf," added
>Miller. "Until we get special interest money out of our politics, we will not
>get sane gun laws in this country."
>
>Public Campaign is a national non-partisan, non-profit organization working
>on comprehensive campaign finance reform. The ad can be found on our Web site
>at www.publicampaign.org/guns.html.
>
>
># # #
>



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:56:39 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dept Of Treasury:  Sporting Use Study

http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/assault_rifles/index.htm


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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:26:30 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Hastert

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Well, this was forwarded to me by another serious shooter.  I am baffled =
by=20
the political strategy, or total lack ofit, by the republicans.  Better =
to=20
take the heat for standing for something than to look stupid and weak =
by=20
giving in on basic principles.

Scott Harmon

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At 07:13 PM 5/19/99 -0700, you wrote:=20
>
> 19 May, 1999
>
> Rep. Dennis Hastert
> U.S. House of Representatives
> Washington, DC 20515-1101
>
> Dear Employee,
>
> While I normally maintain a polite tone in letters to legislators, these
> are not normal times. Or, I should say, your recent statements are =
not=20
> normal for someone who represents himself as the leader of the
> Republican party in the House of Representatives.
>
> As a Republican, I expect you to understand the principles of
> Constitutional conservatism. I expect you to understand the meaning of
> enumerated federal powers, and the off-limits proscriptions articulated
> in the Bill of Rights. I expect you to abide by your oath of office. In
> short, I expect you to be different from the slimebag socialists.
>
> Because you are not, and because you have either stupidly, spinelessly
> or evilly advocated the imposition of additional coercive infringements
> against my right to keep and bear arms, you have forfeited any claim to
> civility from me.  I will speak to you clearly so that you understand my
> utter contempt for you as a legislator who supports the destruction =
of=20
> my rights,  for you as an American who has betrayed the birthright of
> your countrymen, and for you as a man who places position above
> principle. I will speak to you in no uncertain terms, so that you
> understand my resolve to oppose the tyranny that you enable, represent
> and feed off of.
>
> I must admit that your motivation for enraging and alienating millions
> of traditionally Republican voters confounds me=AD what do you hope to
> gain? Do you think that liberals will now support you? Do you think that
> the media will suddenly start editorializing in your favor? Do you =
thinkthat
> the gun banners will now go home sated?
> Are you really that dumb? Or are you just corrupt? Or both?
>
> Where the hell is it within the Constitutional powers of the federal
> government to enact any kind of gun control legislation at all? Where
> the hell do you get off  endorsing a handgun ban for a segment of our
> population that is old enough to vote, to marry, to parent and to go to
> war and die protecting your sorry politically opportunistic ass?
>
> As a lifelong Republican, campaign volunteer and financial contributor,
> here's my oath to you and your fellow subversive trough-feeding
> poltroons in the GOP=AD and I guarantee you, I take mine a lot more
> seriously than you take yours. I am through rewarding  unprincipled
> political parasites who sell out my rights as an appeasement gesture to
> the socialists. You are undeserving of anything but loathing. The only
> Republicans who will ever receive my support again will be those
> principled few who understand and honor their oaths to abide by and
> defend the Constitution.
>
> I intend to do everything I can to encourage enough fellow gun owners to
> deny turncoats like yourself the narrow margin of victory that most=20
> campaigns are won by. If this means the Republicans become minority
> players, so be it.  That's what you get for taking citizens like me for
> granted. That's what you get for arrogantly deeming citizens like me so
> desperate that we will continually allow you to sell us out.   That's
> what you get for arrogantly presuming that citizens like me have no
> choice but to settle for "the lesser of  two evils." That's what you get
> for your treacherous and uncalled for surprise attack against our=20
> rights.
>
> As a party, the Libertarians are the only ones who consistently and
> steadfastly  support the Second Amendment, and they have earned the
> support I would have given you. I have heard some decry this position,
> calling it a "wasted" vote,  pointing out the draconian  gun control
> measures the Democrats will impose should they gain ascendancy. I prefer
> voting my conscience. And I prefer facing this eventuality sooner,=20
> rather than later, before bloated hacks like you capitulate away all of
> our freedoms, including our unalienable and Constitutionally guaranteed
> right to defend them.
>
> In all sincerity,
>
> David Codrea
> [address and phone suppressed]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]=20



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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:12:44 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: L&J: Claire Wolfe - Read It

At 10:51 AM -0700 5/20/99, Patricia Neill wrote:
>http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_cwolfe/19990520_xccwo_before_the.shtm=
l=20
>
>   WorldNetDaily
>
>  THURSDAY
> MAY 20
>1999
>
>FreeLife Claire Wolfe
>----------
> WND Exclusive Commentary
>----------
>  Before they come for the guns
>  =A9 1999 Claire Wolfe
>
>"... Romanian term limits,"  somebody was saying as I walked into =
Grouchy's
>Gun Shop, just north of the Hardyville stoplight.
>
>The other guys around the counter laughed, as if at a bitter joke. Then
>their grins -- and their talk -- chopped off as they turned to see who'd
>come in. "She's OK," said the glance they exchanged. I went to look at
>holsters and they went on as if they'd never been interrupted.
>
>"Didja hear about this new executive order? That murdering dictator in =
the
>White House ..." one groused as I disappeared around a display rack. And =
it
>occurred to me -- not for the first time -- that this is why politicians
>and bureaucrats are so desperate to crush gun dealers and gun shows out =
of
>existence.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:09:33 -0400
From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Democrats for the 2nd Amendment anti gun control petition (fwd)

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Date: Thu, May 20, 1999 17.16 -0700
From: Don Baldwin <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Democrats for the 2nd Amendment anti gun control petition

You all may have heard that MOVEON.ORG is sponsoring a petition
asking Congress to assume their duties and adopt gun control
measures.  Well, Democrats for the 2nd Amendment has just
launched a site OPPOSING those gun controls.

Please drop by our site and sign:

Go to:  http://www.d2a.org

At the top left of the page is a link to the petition.

PLEASE sign and let the denizens of DC know what a horrible
mistake they're making by attacking our rights.

Best regards,

   Don Baldwin

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:16:12 -0400
From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" <[e-mail]>
Subject: more Democrats for the 2nd Amendment anti gun control petition (fwd)

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Date: Thu, May 20, 1999 17.21 -0700
From: Don Baldwin <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Democrats for the 2nd Amendment anti gun control petition

Oh yeah:  after you sign it, tell a few friends about it and
ask them to sign.  And then please join them in printing it
out and distributing some copies to gun stores and gun shows.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:17:55 -0400
From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" <[e-mail]>
Subject: One last note (sorry) about D2A petition (fwd)

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Date: Thu, May 20, 1999 17.47 -0700
From: Don Baldwin <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: One last note (sorry) about D2A petition

This petition is completely non-partisan in nature, its
sole intent being to help preserve our rights.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:18:02 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Time reset their poll -- Vote again (fwd)

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- ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999, 10:31 PM -0700
From: Johann Opitz <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Time reset their poll -- Vote again

>Just got information that the original Time Magazine gun poll concerning
gun >ownership, their participant count was over 200,000.  The vote was
>OVERWHELMINGLY pro-gun, and in our favor.  Apparently Time didn't like =
the
>results, so they reset the counters and are running the poll again.  The
>counter is now at about 106,000.  Let's jump on them again.
>
> The address for the poll is
>
>http://www.pathfinder.com/time/polls/gunpoll.html


I was just there -- yep they reset it.

Pass this on to every pro-RKBA list.

- --
     Johann Opitz
<[e-mail]>

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