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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 99 21:41:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Colby, the FLIR tape, and a new Waco documentary 2/2

[ ...Continued From Previous Message ]
That incident, and others, will be coming out in a new documentary
McNulty is producing called _Waco: A New Revelation_, due out in late
February or early March, 1999. In 1998, attorney David Hardy, also allied
with the civil litigation team, was able to obtain a 1st-generation copy
of the FLIR footage on VHS, although with a 5-minute segment missing from
the beginning, through a FOIA request, from the government, and it is
that improved and additional footage that will be shown in the new
documentary, which is more clear than that shown in the documentary
_Waco: Rules of Engagement_.

McNulty has asked Novel for the complete tapes of his conversations with
Colby, but he has only provided short segments of some other telephone
conversations which only seem to be discussing business deals between
them.

McNulty says the only information he has about what Colby may have told
Novel is what Novel told him, and Novel won't provide the full footage
of the tapes he says he has. McNulty recalls discussing the Oklahoma
City bombing with Novel, but Novel never mentioned to McNulty any
complicity on the part of the White House or president in that incident.

However, McNulty did do a voice analysis of the tape segments Novel
provided, and the voice is definitely that of William Colby. The
information Novel claims Colby provided him about the FLIR footage
checked out. Novel had a relationship with Colby, and Colby had a
motive, namely the turf battle between the CIA and the FBI regarding
overseas operations.

McNulty's assessment of Novel's credibility is that one should never
ignore anything Novel says. On the other hand, what he says should be
taken carefully. Novel has a history as a high-level insider. He is an
expert in technical espionage and counter-espionage, and claims to be
the technician who was responsible for the missing 18 minutes in the
Nixon tape. On the other hand, he likes to tell a story, and may put a
spin on what he knows. His checkered past makes him the perfect person
whom a whistleblower might pick to disclose something to in order to
get the information out while providing plausible deniability.

McNulty says Novel deserves a great deal of credit for working himself
almost to death to help the Davidians, and he is certainly the conduit
through which they got the information from Colby about what to look for
in the FLIR footage. But Novel didn't obtain the tape itself from Colby.

More about Gordon Novel can be found on Lexis-Nexis, and on the WWW, at
such sites as http://www.io.com/~hambone/web/novel.html

The new documentary, _Waco: A New Revelation_, will be revealing new
non-FLIR video evidence that the government forces fired on the
Davidians during the final assault on April 19, 1993. It will also
present evidence identifying the organizations providing the personnel
who attacked the Davidian complex from the rear, which are seen in the
FLIR footage, which were the FBI Hostage Rescue Team and Delta Force.
It provides evidence that explains how the fire started, and how the
investigation following the fire was compromised, including interviews
with some Texas Rangers who were part of that investigation. It includes
interviews with some of the imprisoned Davidians, and follows the chain
of command of the orders for the final assault all the way to the White
House. It explores some of the unintended consequences of Waco, has an
interview with Randy Weaver, the target of the Ruby Ridge assault, and
reveals that Lon Horiuchi, who the Boundary County, Idaho, prosecutor
attempted to prosecute for shooting Randy's wife Vicki, was also present
at Waco in a position from which fire came toward the Davidians.

The new documentary, _Waco: A New Revelation_, will probably be first
released on video, and perhaps will also be released theatrically. The
price for the video has not yet been decided. For more information on
it, write:

C.O.P.S. Productions
1001-A East Harmony Road #353
Fort Collins, Colorado 80525

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 99 21:41:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: USA Beretta awarded costs

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:47:34 -0700
From: Jim Dexter <[e-mail]>
To: LPUtah Forum <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: NEWS - USA Beretta awarded costs

Score one for justice.

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Beretta U.S.A. Corp.
17601 Beretta Drive - Accokeek - Maryland 20607

CALIFORNIA COURT AWARDS PAYMENT OF DEFENSE
COSTS TO BERETTA U.S.A. CORP. IN LAWSUIT FILED
BY HANDGUN CONTROL, INC.; DISMISSES HCI
MOTION TO OVERTURN VERDICT

January 22, 1999 -- Alameda County, California Superior Court
Judge Richard Hodge today ordered plaintiffs in the case Dix v.
Beretta U.S.A. Corp. to pay Beretta U.S.A. for costs incurred by
the company while defending itself in the litigation, which was
filed by the plaintiffs with the assistance of Handgun Control,
Inc. and the San Francisco law firm of Hersh & Hersh. The Dix
case received national publicity when the parents of a teenage
youth shot by a friend sued the firearm manufacturer on the
theory that the pistol used in the accident should have included
"smart gun" technology or an internal locking mechanism to
prevent its misuse.

The award of costs was the third consecutive loss for Handgun
Control, Inc. in the case, coming on the heels of a decision on
January 15, 1999 by the Superior Court to throw out a motion
filed by the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence (the legal action
arm of Handgun Control, Inc.) to dismiss a November 1998 jury
verdict in favor of Beretta U.S.A. Corp. on the grounds of juror
misconduct.

"Handgun Control, Inc's consistent failure in the Dix case should
stand as notice to other litigants that this organization is out
of touch with the law and with the merits of these cases,"
commented Jeff Reh, General Counsel for Beretta U.S.A. Corp.
"During the Dix case, Beretta presented its concerns about the
safety and feasibility of internal locking devices for handguns
and the jury agreed with our reservations about this technology.
The jury also overwhelmingly determined that the responsibility
for safe storage of any firearm lies with the owner, not with the
original manufacturer of the gun."

"More importantly," Reh added, "all potential litigants in cases
of this type -- including mayors of cities which might be
contemplating filing lawsuits against the firearms industry --
should note our industry will aggressively defend itself and will
seek reimbursement of litigation costs. Any city which thinks
that it can sue the firearms industry without financial risk to
itself is mistaken."

In addition to Reh, Beretta U.S.A. Corp. was defended in the Dix
case by Robert Gebhardt and Craig Livingston of the San Francisco
law firm of Bronson, Bronson & McKinnon and by Lawrence Keane of
the White Plains, New York law firm of Pino & Associates.


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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 99 19:14:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Waco: Rules of Engagement

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:46:16 -0500
From: Discovery Audience Relations <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail],
    [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Waco: The Rules of Engagement.

Dear Franklin:

Thanks for your note and for your comments. We really appreciate them.

Thanks again for taking the time to write.

Best regards,

Heidi Winkelmann
Audience Relations Coordinator

At 03:14 PM 1/25/99 -0800, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
>I was shocked that the most highly rated mostly-science television channel
>in Canada would have shown the Waco film as it did last night. Well done!
>Now I have to wonder what a Jury of Citizens would say about the evidence
>if they saw the film and any other relevant evidence? So far it looks to
>me like they would say Janet Reno and anyone else responsible for that
>ATROCITY should be in jail for a long, long time if not given the death
>penalty and the whole damned Congress should be booted out of office for a
>dereliction of duty in their "investigation".
>FWP.


Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:50:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[e-mail]>
To: Discovery Audience Relations <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail],
    [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Waco: The Rules of Engagement.

You are welcome. Your reputation as the most highly regarded television
channel in Canada is well deserved. I was pleasantly surprised to put it
mildly that you took on something as controversial as Waco. That is
exceptional for an educational tv channel and to me it is a sign of some
real courage and integrity.
FWP.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:30:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail],
    [e-mail]
Subject: Waco, The Rules Of Engagement, ADDENDUM.

Thank you again for showing the Waco film on your channel two nights ago.
After viewing it I spoke to a man here in Vancouver who also has an
Addendum to Waco (also by McNulty the producer of the main film).
I was told that this Addendum makes it clear beyond reasonable doubt that
the government agents staged a deliberate homicide against the Davidian
community. Could you please show the Addendum as well?
FWP.


Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:35:59 -0500
From: Discovery Audience Relations <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail],
     [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Waco, The Rules Of Engagement, ADDENDUM.

Dear Franklin:

Thanks for your note. I spoke with the programming department and they have
no future plans of airing the Addendum. Sorry.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Best regards,

Heidi


Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:00:47 -0700
From: Dr. Ken Larsen <[e-mail]>
To: Franklin Wayne Poley <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Waco: The Rules of Engagement.

Congratulations, FWP,

I take back every bad thing I ever thought about you. Well I remember the
shock and dismay when I saw that movie the first time. There was my own
"conservative" Senator Hatch with mud all over his face! It's a real
eye-opener for anyone who still thinks the "drug war" is about drugs or the
gun control movement is about reducing crime. Perhaps we are living in a
time when our neighbors to the North will teach us how to be the free
country our Constitution says we are.

My referrals are old. Does someone have a fresh address where one can
order a video copy of what you saw?

Ken



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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 99 19:14:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: It's no accident

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:51:12 -0500
From: Leroy Crenshaw <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: [iso-8859-1] It's no accident that a country can be most free
and most armed

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/013199_REESE31.html

It's no accident that a country can be most free and most armed
Charley Reese
of The Sentinel Staff

Published in The Orlando Sentinel, Jan 31 1999

Do you believe that people have a right to overthrow the government with
force and violence?

If you say no, then you need to study your American history. The basic
premise of the American Revolution, beautifully spelled out in the
Declaration of Independence, is that people have not only the right but,
under certain circumstances, the duty to overthrow a government.

Let's examine what is the true American philosophy as spelled out in that
document.

In the first paragraph, it is stated that "laws of nature and of nature's
God" entitle people to assume a separate and equal station among the powers
of the Earth. In other words, self-determination.

In the second paragraph the basic premises of the Revolution are laid out:

1. All men are created equal and endowed by God with unalienable rights;
2. governments are instituted to secure these rights;
3. the only just authority of any government is the consent of the governed;
4. when any form of government becomes destructive of these ends
   (protecting rights and governing only by consent), people have a right
   to alter or abolish it.

The third paragraph states that it is prudent not to change governments for
light or frivolous reasons, but when a long train of abuses and usurpations
show a clear design to reduce people to despotism, ". . . it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such a government."

When you understand this, then it becomes crystal clear why the right of
private citizens to keep and bear arms is included in the Bill of Rights.
A just government, securing the people's rights and acting with their
consent, has no need to fear an armed citizenry. James Madison, in
refuting a European friend's pessimistic view of America, boasted, "unlike
your governments, we are not afraid for our citizens to have arms."

I have called the right to keep and bear arms the canary of American
liberty because when government seeks to disarm its citizens, it plainly
intends to take away their freedom. No movement in America should so alarm
Americans as the gun-control movement, because its true aim has nothing to
do with crime but everything to do with disarming honest and decent Americans.
Machiavelli, the first and smartest of the political advisers, once said of
the Swiss that they were "the most armed and most free people in Europe."
That is still true. And it is no accident that liberty and private arms
co-exist in the same country.

A small percentage of people will abuse the right to keep and bear arms,
just as all rights and privileges are abused. So what. A little crime is a
small price to pay for freedom. Many wise men have warned that those who
prefer security to liberty will lose both.

You think that criminals are bad? You don't know what bad is until you're
the victim of a criminal government. You should talk to people who have
lived under criminal governments and survived before you swallow the bilge
being poured down your throat by Handgun Control Inc. and its lapdogs in
the press.

And remember, rights come from God, not from government. The Constitution
does not grant anyone any rights. It merely acknowledges already-existing
rights. The American citizen does not owe the government for his rights.
The government owes him the duty to protect his rights. We are a free
people by the grace of God. We are governed with our consent for the sake
of convenience.

Too many politicians are arrogant to suit me. They should remember that not
all Americans have been Europeanized. The flame of liberty may be turned
low, but it has scorched more than one despot and can flame forth again.
[Posted 01/30/1999 6:54 PM EST]



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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 99 19:14:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Double-Barreled Fight Against Gun Litigation

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/02/127l-020299-idx.html

Double-Barreled Fight Against Gun Litigation
NRA, Industry Team to Battle City Liability Suits
By Sharon Walsh
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 2, 1999; Page A03

ATLANTA, Feb. 1 -- As 1,400 exhibitors in the firearms industry
gathered at the annual gun trade show here, the industry's leaders,
lobbyists and the National Rifle Association used the occasion to
show their solidarity in the fight against gun litigation.

In the past, gun manufacturers and the NRA, which represents gun
owners, have gone their separate ways. But the message of those
attending the largest gun industry show in the country is that they
will band together to defend themselves against a flurry of lawsuits
being filed by cities around the country.

"For a century, we have thrived independently," NRA President
Charlton Heston told members of the industry, which gave him a
standing ovation. "But now, your fight has become our fight. Your
legal threat has become our constitutional threat. . . . Our enemies
will think they can beat you in court because they can't beat us in
Congress. But they don't have the checkbooks and votes of 8 million
members and 30 million gun owners."

The industry is under attack from mayors who are suing gun
manufacturers and distributors for the costs of crimes caused by
firearms and who hope to mimic the success of state attorneys
general who went after tobacco companies.

As part of the gun industry's effort to defend against the suits,
four of its trade and lobbying groups said today that they will
form a new organization, the National Shooting Sports Council,
that will help them better coordinate the industry's message.

The new group will be made up of board members from the American
Shooting Sports Council, which speaks for the firearms industry;
the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association
that sponsors the annual trade show; the Sporting Arms and
Ammunition Manufacturers Institute, which deals with industry
standards; and the Wildlife Management Institute.

"We've been very fragmented about communicating what our industry
is all about," said Richard M. Pelton, marketing vice president
for the American Shooting Sports Council. He said that the liquor
industry, for example, has been a model of how to be active by
encouraging drunk drivers to take taxis home and with other public
service programs.

"I'm a businessman and I feel strongly about our rights," said
Pelton, who until recently was a vice president of O.F. Mossberg
& Sons, a shotgun manufacturer. "We are not the NRA. I'm a lifetime
member, but the NRA looks out for the user. Our industry employs
people. . . . We are going to fight this to the death."

Pro-gun politicians also used the gathering to strike out at the
lawyers and mayors of the cities that are suing the gun industry.

Bill Pryor, the attorney general of Alabama, called the suits "a
clear and present danger to the rule of law. This dangerous marriage
of trial lawyers and government must be stopped," he said.

The gun industry is already highly regulated, said Rep. Robert L.
Barr Jr. (R-Ga.), who added that the industry employs 70,000 people
and contributes $24 billion to the national economy.

"Today, we see a legal system run amok," said Richard Feldman,
executive director of the ASSC. He said that the recent lawsuits
holding gunmakers responsible for crime costs are the result of
an "unholy alliance of rich tobacco lawyers and weak-kneed mayors."
The suits, he said, "will not remove one single gun from the hands
of any criminal, but will pay for retirement homes for lawyers on
both sides."

While there was talk of legal troubles on the floor of the Georgia
World Congress Center, where the show was held, exhibitors were
interested mostly in selling their guns, sights, camouflage clothing,
knives and safety locks to the 17,000 distributors and store owners
who are attending the show.

Even before the industry arrived in Atlanta, there was unease about
the venue. Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell announced last week that he
is planning to join other cities in filing a lawsuit against the
industry later this year. The NSSC obtained a letter from the mayor
assuring them that he would not use the show as an opportunity to
serve legal papers to any of the exhibitors or attendees of the show.

Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company



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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:47:41 -0700
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: UT: Two Olympics Bills Threaten Gun Rights

House and Senate "Olympics" Bills Trash U.S. Sovereignty

Gun Owners of America Email/Fax Alert
8001 Forbes Pl., Suite 102
Springfield, VA 22151
[phone]   Fax: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org


Utah 2/3/99


HB 92 and SB 122 would change existing law to cater to foreign and
globalist interests.

It is no secret that the UN and foreign nations such as Japan have
long wanted to do away with the right to keep and bear arms here in
the US.  Japan has even funded UN efforts to affect our domestic gun
policy.

Now, under the umbrella of the Olympic Games for 2002, domestic and
foreign anti-gunners are working with the Utah legislature to change
the law in order to restrict the liberties of honest residents of
Utah and cater to visiting foreigners.

HB 92 and SB 122 both give arbitrary power to Olympic officials over
various property and firearms rights.  Although those aspects are
repealed much later on after the Olympics, as you may know from
previous alerts, the Utah House is using HB 92 to enact much more
permanent restrictions on gun owners.

HB 92 has far-reaching effects on you rights, including the
following:

   * Ban on carrying concealed (even for license holders) in places
of worship.  This will effectively make it much more dangerous for
you to take your family to worship - you will, by law, be unable to
defend yourself against anyone willing to stake out the church
parking lot.

   * Ban on carrying concealed (even for license holders) on the
premises of any school, including any building used as a daycare. You
will have the choice of being a criminal or rendering yourself
defenseless in such places.  There will not be one responsible gun
owner on the premises to protect your children if some tragic
incident should occur.

   * Ban on possession of firearms (even for license holders) in
private residences.  You will need permission each and every time you
enter a private residence with your gun.  The other option would be
leave it in the car - where it might be stolen - or simply not carry
at all, as may be the real goal here.

The points above will NOT BE REPEALED when the Olympic Venue portions
are, and because the bills have no predetermined start date, Utah
citizens could be forced to live under such oppressive and
un-American restrictions for YEARS before the Olympics even start!!

Gun owners across Utah need to work together to stop this rape of the
constitution and our rights.  Please contact both your House Rep and
your Senator right away and demand they protect your rights and stop
catering to foreign interests.

Tell them that trick plays like trying to sneak in all those
permanent gun control aspects of HB 92 only serve to expose
legislators opposed to true and open constitutional government.

Call the following offices for detailed contact info:

House: [phone]    Senate: [phone]

Any ?s -- Call GOA
Guns Save Lives

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:48:39 -0700
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: URGENT ALERT!  SB 122  Olympic Gun Control

PLEASE CROSS-POST AND DISTRIBUTE THIS AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE!!

Okay, folks!  The time has come, and we NEED your help!

Sen. Mike Waddoups (R)  has betrayed the gun owners who have supported him
for so long.  He's even gone as far as labeling us "gun nuts" in the press.

Sen. Waddoups is sponsoring SB 122, Controlled Access Areas in Olympic
Venues.  This bill MUST be defeated.

1. Current Utah law provides that a concealed carry permit is valid
"without exception".  This bill would destroy "without exception" by
providing that "a person with a permit to carry a concealed firearm may not
carry a concealed firearm in "certain locations including..."  This will
allow the legislature to add absolutely anyplace to the list of places
where firearms may not be carried.

2. SB 122 grants complete authority to an "Olympic Law Enforcement
Commander".  The Olympic Commander has the authority to decide which areas
(up to and including the entire state) are "off-limits" to firearms.  He
oversees all law enforcement, peace officers, the Utah National Guard, and
"all other security and public safety personnel".  He may "carry out any
other action" deemed "necessary to protect the health, safety and welfare
of the public".  This sounds an awful lot like martial law to me.  I have
so far been unable to find any requirement that the Olympic Commander be an
American citizen, a sworn peace officer, or that he take an oath to uphold
the Constitution of the Unites States or Utah.

3. The bill restricts "dangerous weapons".  And a dangerous weapon is not
just a firearm.  At the discretion of security, it may also include pocket
knives, fingernail clippers, nail files, rat-tail combs, pepper spray,
ball-point pens, sticks, or "any item which is capable of causing death or
serious bodily injury".

4. SB 122 does not require the state or the Olympics to accept any
liability for persons injured or killed as a result of being forceably
disarmed, or as a result of negligence on the part of "official" security.

5. State law requires that secure facilities provide safe storage for the
firearms of permit holders.  SB 122 exempts "Olympic venues" from this
requirement.  Thus anyone planning on attending events will not only be
disarmed at the event, but while traveling to and from events.  This will
turn thousands of Olympic attendees into perfect targets for criminals.

6. There is absolutely no reason for this bill.  It is being enacted
because international (IOC) and federal (Clinton, the BATF, the Secret
Service, etc.) advocates of universal disarmament want to use Utah as an
example to show that they can enforce disarmament anywhere, without regard
for US or State laws, constitutions or sovereignty.  NO holder of a Utah
concealed carry permit has EVER used a firearm to injure another person or
commit a violent crime.

7. If this bill is passed, it will set a dangerous precedent for
international and/or federal agencies to enact gun bans and disarmament at
will, anytime, anywhere, without any accountability or oversight.

All of these provisions are also present in Rep. David Jones's HB 92, which
also requires action, but SB 122 is more likely to actually pass.  The
message has come down from "on high" (probably Gov. Leavitt) that there
WILL be an Olympic Gun Control Bill THIS SESSION.

What you can do:

1. Contact your own Senator and Representative and let them know that SB
122 and HB 92 are entirely unacceptable, cannot be "fixed", and must be
OPPOSED.
Contact info is available at: http://www.le.state.ut.us  Follow the links
to House or Senate, or call your County Clerk.  A list of phone and fax
numbers is at the end of this message.

2. Contact Sen. Waddoups and let him know what you think of this bill, and
of his betrayal of gun owners.  He won't "see the light" until he "feels
the heat"!
    Sen. Michael Waddoups (R)
    2005 W 5620 S
       Salt Lake City UT 84118
       Home 801-967-0225
    Office 801-355-1136
    Fax [phone]

3. Contact Senate President Lane Beattie and ask him why a gun control bill
was referred to the Senate Energy, Natural Resources and Agriculture
Committee, instead of Transportation and Public Safety or Judiciary.
    Sen. Lane Beattie (R)
    1313 North 1100 West
       West Bountiful, Utah 84087
       Home 801-292-7406
    Office 801-298-7000
    Fax [phone]

4. Contact the members of the Senate Energy, Natural Resources and
Agriculture Committee and ask that they OPPOSE this bill.  Please be polite
to these committee members; they're probably not at all happy about having
this bill inappropriately dumped in their laps!  Members are:

    Sen. Beverly Ann Evans, Chair (R)
     HC 65, Box 36
       Altamont, Utah 84001
       O-435-722-4523 Ext 126 H-435-454-3719
       Fax [phone]
    [e-mail]

     Sen. Leonard M. Blackham (R)
    P.O. Box 337
       Moroni, Utah 84646
       H-435-436-8489 O-435-436-8125
    [e-mail]

     Sen. Joseph L Hull (D)
    5250 West 4000 South
       Hooper, Utah 84315
       H-801-731-3705 O-801-732-6012
    [e-mail]

     Sen. Lorin V. Jones (R)
    177 E Center St
       Veyo UT 84782
       H 435-574-2961
       [e-mail]

    Sen. Millie Peterson (D)
    7131 West 3800 South
       West Valley City, Utah 84128
       H-801-250-5944
    [e-mail]

Bulk e-mail to the entire committee:
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail],[e-mail], [e-mail]


5. Contact Gov. Leavitt.  Apparently there's now evidence that he knew
about the Olympic Bribery scandal all along, so he's vulnerable.  He also
wants to run for national office.  If we can exert NATIONAL pressure on
him, he can call off this nonsense - at least until next year.  :-(
    Gov. Mike Leavitt
    210 State Capitol
    Salt Lake City, UT 84114
    801-538-1000
    801-538-1528 - fax
    [e-mail]

5. Write to your local newspapers as well as the statewide papers.  Call
talk radio shows.  Contact national media outlets, both print and TV.  I
don't want to append my entire media contact list (it's long) but if you
want it, let me know. ([e-mail])
    The Salt Lake Tribune  [e-mail]
    The Deseret News  [e-mail]
    The Standard Examiner [e-mail]
More contact info is available at the Nolympics site,
http://www.therighter.com/nolympics.

I don't think Rep. Jones will be particularly responsive to the concerns of
gun owners.  He's always supported gun control.  (And at least he's honest
enough to take a public stance and stick to it.)  If you want to try
anyway, his contact information is:
    Rep. David Jones (D)
    545 South 1100 East Salt Lake City,
       Utah 84102
       Phone: (home) 801-582-8247
    [e-mail]

PLEASE contact these "public servants", and encourage your friends, family,
co-workers and others to do the same.  Please encourage people _outside_ of
Utah to contact Gov. Leavitt, their local news media, and Utah news media,
since all of them are concerned with Utah's _national_ image.

General contact numbers:
House voice: 801-538-1029, 800-662-3367
House fax: Rep. 801-538-1908, Dem. 801-538-9505
Senate voice: 801-538-1035, 877-585-8824
Senate fax: Rep. 801-538-1414, Dem. 801-538-1449


Thanks!
Sarah




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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:40:05 -0700
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: URGENT!  SB 122 in Committee MONDAY!

PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY!

It's now or never!

Sen. Mike Waddoups's Olympic Gun Control (and martial law) bill, SB 122 is
apparently on the fast track.  It will be heard by the Senate Energy and
Natural Resources Committee on:
MONDAY FEB 8
8 AM, Room 414, State Capitol
The bill is the first item on the agenda.

PLEASE ATTEND THIS MEETING!  We need to PACK THE ROOM with outraged gun
owners.  Plan to be there by 7:30 AM if possible.  With luck, you can still
be finished in time to make it to work on time, or only slightly late.
Please remember to dress appropriately and behave in a respectful manner.
And tell everyone you know!

Thanks!

Sarah





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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:22:40 -0700
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ALERT: SB 122 - Committe Hearing CANCELLED

The Senate Energy, Natural Resources and Agriculture Committee has changed
its agenda for Monday, February 8.  SB 122, Controlled Access Areas in
Olympic Venues is no longer on the agenda.  As of now, it has not been
rescheduled, although this may change at any time.  If you notified anyone
of the committee hearing, please be kind enough to let them know it's been
postponed.

I hope this means that Committee members are starting to feel the heat.
Please keep the pressure on!

Sorry this is so confusing, but I don't make the schedules.  Stay tuned!

Sarah


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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:19:54 -0700
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: URGENT ALERT: HB 92 Major Gun Control

There has been quite a bit of confusion regarding Rep. Jones's HB 92 (Gun
Control in Schools, Churches, Private Property & Olympics) and Sen.
Waddoups's SB 122 (Gun Control at Olympics).

HB 92 WILL BE HEARD ON TUESDAY FEB. 9 at 8 AM in Room 223 at the State
Capitol.  I have been unable to verify a previous report that the bill was
killed in Rules, and according to both the Utah Legislative Web page AND
Rob Bishop, lobbyist for USSC, the bill WILL BE HEARD as scheduled.

I have no reason to doubt the integrity of anyone who posted anything to
the contrary.  It appears that the committee hearings for these bills are
being shuffled in order to confuse gun owners and discourage us from
attending the committee hearings.  We can't let this stop us.  Please plan
on attending the hearings if possible, and please keep the pressure on our
elected officials.

PLEASE PLAN TO ATTEND THE HEARING FOR HB 92 TUESDAY MORNING!

If you have not already contacted the members of the House Judiciary
Committee, please take the time to let them know you OPPOSE HB 92.

Committee members are:

"A. Lamont Tyler, Chair" <[e-mail]>
"Glenn L. Way, Vice Chair" <[e-mail]>
"John Swallow" <[e-mail]>
"Katherine Bryson" <[e-mail]>
"Martin Stephens" <[e-mail]>
"Bill Hickman" <[e-mail]>
"Chad Bennion" <[e-mail]>
"Greg Curtis" <[e-mail]>
"Patrice Arent" <[e-mail]>
"Neal Hendrickson" <[e-mail]>
"Gary Cox" <[e-mail]>


SB 122 was at one time scheduled to be heard by the Senate Energy, Natural
Resources and Agriculture Committee on MONDAY, Feb 8 at 8 AM.  This bill
has now been removed from the committee agenda and WILL NOT BE HEARD
MONDAY!  However, the bill is still assigned to that committee, so please
contact committee members and request that they OPPOSE SB 122.

Committee members' e-mail addresses are:
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


General contact numbers:
House voice: 801-538-1029, 800-662-3367
House fax: Rep. 801-538-1908, Dem. 801-538-9505
Senate voice: 801-538-1035, 877-585-8824
Senate fax: Rep. 801-538-1414, Dem. 801-538-1449

I expect more changes in committee schedules will occur, so pleae check
these alerts or the Utah Legislative Web page for up-to-date information.
(http://www.le.state.ut.us)

If you need a legislative analysis of either of these bills, please let me
know.

Sarah





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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 03:30:24 -0700
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: HB 92 article

http://www.sltrib.com/1999/feb/02061999/politics/80916.htm


>                       Banning Concealed Weapons At Selected Sites Proposed
>                       Leavitt reiterates his support, while Bishop stands
>                       strong against it
>
>                       BY DAN HARRIE
>                       THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
>
>                           A proposal that would allow schools, churches,
>                       private residences and Olympic venues to ban licensed
>                       concealed firearms may finally get a public hearing in
>                       the Utah House of Representatives.
>                           That prospect emerged Friday when the Rules
>                       Committee released a bill it had held up for several
>                       days, sending it to the House Judiciary panel.
>                           Advocates of tighter gun restrictions hailed the
>                       development, while gun-rights proponents denounced the
>                       House Bill 92, sponsored by Rep. Dave Jones, as
>                       unconstitutional.
>                           House leaders in recent years have used
>                       behind-the-scenes maneuvers to quash debate on
>                       legislation to narrow the broad grant of authority
>                       bestowed on concealed-weapons-permit holders in 1995.
>                       Amendments to state law approved that year said those
>                       permits were valid "without restriction."
>                           But now a public debate over the emotion-charged
>                       issue appears likely, a possibility that Gov. Mike
>                       Leavitt welcomes.
>                           Leavitt reiterated his support for giving
>                       churches, schools and Olympic venues authority to keep
>                       guns out.
>                           "It's a measure I support and one that I am
>                       pleased to see get a hearing," he said. But he
>                       declined to predict its chance of passage.
>                           Utah Shooting Sports Council lobbyist Rob Bishop
>                       had no such reluctance.
>                           "The Jones bill will never become law," said
>                       Bishop.
>                           He suggested, tongue-in-cheek, that the only way
>                       the measure could pass the House was if members "went
>                       on a binge" and voted when they were tipsy.
>                           The bill is extremely flawed, said Bishop, who is
>                       also chairman of the Utah Republican Party.
>                           "For anyone who wants to destroy the Constitution
>                       of the United States it's a marvelous bill," said
>                       Bishop.
>                           The bill was released from the Rules Committee
>                       after Jones, the leader of House Democrats, complained
>                       publicly that majority Republicans were attempting to
>                       smother his legislation behind the scenes.
>                           Jones sent out a news release Thursday chastising
>                       GOP members of the Rules Committee for "denying the
>                       will of the majority of Utahns by not letting this
>                       bill out for a public hearing."
>                           The Democrat pointed to past public opinion polls
>                       showing most Utahns believe guns should be kept out of
>                       schools and churches. "With such strong public opinion
>                       in favor of this legislation, I was surprised to see
>                       that the Republicans were more concerned with their
>                       own partisan agenda."
>                           Jones later faxed out a retraction of the press
>                       release, saying it was sent without his consent.
>                           But in an interview Friday, he said the contents
>                       of the original statement were accurate, but that it
>                       went too far in proclaiming the demise of the overall
>                       spirit of bipartisanship that had marked the first
>                       weeks of the legislative session.
>                           Jones claimed his bill had been held up for
>                       approximately two weeks on straight party-line votes
>                       in the Rules Committee, which has an 8-3 Republican
>                       majority.
>                           "There's no reason to hold it up. It's a common
>                       sense bill, a moderate approach," said Jones. If
>                       released for public debate, he speculated, "it would
>                       have a good shot at passing."
>                           But the Rules Committee unanimously released the
>                       bill Friday, and Chairwoman Susan Koehn said there was
>                       no political funny business going on.
>                           The gun measure had come up only once for a vote
>                       in the committee and was held back because the
>                       Legislature was in the middle of the controversial
>                       credit union initiative, she said.
>                           "We did the English-only issue, where we packed
>                       the Capitol. We did the banks and credit unions where
>                       we packed the Capitol," Koehn said. "Let's just space
>                       out our packing of the Capitol -- that was our
>                       reasoning."
>
>
>
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