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utah-firearms-digest     Friday, December 11 1998     Volume 02 : Number 115




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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:06:23 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Charles Hardy)
Subject: Gun poll in DesNews Update

The "Quick Poll" in the DesNews has now been changed.  The results
from the previous poll are not available like they used to be.  The
last time I was able to check, the numbers were slightly in favor on
not banning guns in either schools or churchers.

I placed a call to Mark Reece, the Web edition Associate editor at
801-237-2156 to ask how to see the final results.  His voice mail
asked for a message and gave the name of Stewart (missed the last
name) at 801-236-6097.

I called Stewart and asked about how to see the results.  Seems they
are currently debating over whether or not to make the results of past
polls available.  He is personally in favor of doing so and said my
call requesting it would help him support his point of view that they
should be available.

Without disclosing my own feelings, I casually asked if he knew how
the poll had turned out.  He said it had started with most people
wanting to ban guns in both places, but had then shifted dramatically
and he thought perhaps someone had gotten organized (who would do
that?)  :) and maybe even figured out how to vote multiple times.  He
indicated he'd try to get the results up on the web page and then I
could judge the validity of the numbers for myself (a truely novel
concept in today's media IMO).  He was very friendly.

It might not be a bad idea to make a call to Mark and/or Stewart,
asking how to see the results.  If you don't all let on your personal
feelings, it may not even appear to be an "organized" effort by us. :)

I'd love to see these results reported in both the web and paper
additions, but doubt they'd do that.  I wonder if they've every
considered or worried about multiple votes on any other polls they've
taken or if they'd have worried about it on this one had the numbers
gone the other way.  I also wonder if there would be any question
about making past polls' results available if the numbers had gone as
they wanted.

Assuming the numbers did influence anyone in not wanting to put
previous polls' results on the web, Stewart's expressed desire to make
them available would speak well of his intergity vs anyone who is
lobbying otherwise in an effort to surpress.

One lesson here is to try to get info on these types of polls out as
quickly as possible and to then take a moment to vote as soon as
possible, BEFORE the numbers skew too far against us and anyone can
claim it was an "organized effort" (like "random" phone polls with
loaded questions made during the day when most people are at work
yield trustworthy results) that resulted in a sudden turn around.

Regardless, they can now try to minimize the validity of their online
poll, (admittedly unscientific) but at least they can't include in
their reporting that the majority of on-line readers (more affluent?,
better educated?) favor banning guns.  Perhaps a few letters to the
editor citing the results once they are available would be in order.
While such polls are not scientific or random, one could make the case
that those who are educated enough to use the internet and care enough
about the issue to log an opinion, really don't want to see guns
banned or something similar.

Thanks to everyone who voted.

Let us know if you have any contact with the DesNews on this issue and
how it goes.

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Charles C. Hardy        | If my employer has an opinion on
<[e-mail]>            | these things I'm fairly certain
801.588.7200 (work)        | I'm not the one he'd have express it.

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize
 Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of
 conscience; or to prevent *the people* of the United States who are
 peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ..." -- Samuel Adams in
 arguing for a Bill of Rights, from the book "Massachusetts," published
 by Pierce & Hale, Boston, 1850, pg. 86-87.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:07:55 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Charles Hardy)
Subject: [[e-mail]: LPU: LP RELEASE: Instant Check]

From the LPUtah.

- ----BEGIN FORWARDED MESSGE----

Abolish the instant check gun system
 before innocent Americans are killed
 >
 >        WASHINGTON, DC -- The government's so-called "instant background
 >checks" for gun buyers should be abolished immediately before any innocent
 >Americans are robbed, raped, or murdered while waiting to buy a firearm, the
 >Libertarian Party said today.
 >
 >        The party's demand follows an admission by the FBI that because of
 >telephone and computer glitches, 34% of all gun buyers -- or 1,688 people on
 >Monday alone -- were unable to buy a gun.
 >
 >        Meanwhile, just one-quarter of one percent of would-be gun-buyers were
 >rejected because of a criminal record -- meaning that 135 law-abiding citizens
 >were denied a gun for every criminal rejected during the first day of the new
 >program.
 >
 >        "How many Americans have just been sentenced to death by bureaucracy
 >as a result of the government's failed instant check system?" asked Steve
 >Dasbach, national chairman of the Libertarian Party.
 >
 >        "If even one American is harmed while waiting for government approval
 >to defend themselves, it's one too many -- which is why these background
 >checks should be abolished immediately."
 >
 >        The national "instant check" system, which replaces the five-day
 >waiting period mandated by the 1994 Brady Bill, requires each of the nation's
 >105,000 gun dealers to call the FBI to run an instant criminal background
 >check on anyone trying to buy a handgun, rifle, or shotgun.
 >
 >        "The problem is that criminals are the only Americans who benefit from
 >such background checks, because they don't take them," Dasbach said. "Real
 >criminals have no problem getting guns. In fact, a recent Justice Department
 >survey of convicted criminals found that 93% had acquired their guns
 >illegally.
 >
 >        "But by forcing law-abiding citizens to wait for days and weeks to buy
 >a firearm, the government has painted a target on their backs."
 >
 >        Forcing Americans to undergo background checks is not only unsafe --
 >it's un-American and unconstitutional, too, Dasbach said.
 >
 >        "An instant check of the Constitution reminds us that the government
 >doesn't have the authority to restrict gun ownership -- period. It's
 >outrageous for politicians to require a background check as a condition of
 >exercising any Constitutional right," he said.
 >
 >        "The government has no more right to demand that you submit to a
 >background check before exercising your Second Amendment right to buy a gun
 >than it does to require a background check before exercising your First
 >Amendment right to publish a newspaper or go to church."
 >
 >        However, Dasbach acknowledged one practical difference between the
 >First and Second Amendment rights in this case: "No lives are immediately
 >jeopardized by failure to publish a newspaper, but innumerable lives have been
 >put in danger this week by the government's refusal to allow Americans to buy
 >a gun to defend themselves."
 >
 >        And if you run an "instant check" on the behavior of Congress, you'll
 >see that it can't be trusted when it meddles with the Constitution -- or our
 >safety, said Dasbach.
 >
 >        "If you supported the Brady Bill, you trusted the politicians when
 >they said this law would just keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
 >Instead, innocent Americans have been unfairly denied a fundamental right --
 >the right to protect themselves and their families.
 >
 >        "In other words, Americans have once again had their liberty
 >sacrificed for the promise of safety. Unfortunately, the failure of the
 >instant-check system guarantees that many Americans will have neither."
 >
 >        #       #       #







LPUtah
LPUtah -- This message sent via listserver "[e-mail]"
LPUtah -- All messages are the sole responsibility of the sender.
LPUtah -- Support: Jim Elwell, email: [e-mail]
LPUtah

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Charles C. Hardy        | If my employer has an opinion on
<[e-mail]>            | these things I'm fairly certain
801.588.7200 (work)        | I'm not the one he'd have express it.

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize
 Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of
 conscience; or to prevent *the people* of the United States who are
 peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ..." -- Samuel Adams in
 arguing for a Bill of Rights, from the book "Massachusetts," published
 by Pierce & Hale, Boston, 1850, pg. 86-87.

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:17:54 -0700
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: *Impeachment Vote Will Be Closer Than Predicted

> RKBA Defenders
>=20
> It's time to call Washington!=20
>=20
>=20
> Two topics:
>=20
> 1) Don't let Clinton get away with treason.
>=20
> 2) Don't put up with Brady II - Repeal it!
>=20
>=20
> PLEASE - YOUR INPUT IS NEEDED RIGHT AWAY - timing is crucial
>=20
>=20
> 1) NY Times: Impeachment May Pass [or FAIL] Full House by a Narrow
> Margin
>=20
> "By day's end, Republicans said there were up to 12 Republican votes
> against impeachment and another small core group of moderates still
> unwilling to commit. Democratic leaders say they believe that only 3 to
> 5
> of their members will turn against Clinton. If the Republicans lose only
> 12 votes, and if several Democrats break ranks, impeachment could pass
> by
> a narrow margin."  http://www.drudgereport.com/matt.htm=20
>=20
> We could also *lose* by a very narrow margin, and then the Clinton-
> Reno-ATF-Brady axis would push their gun registration / confiscation
> operation into full gear.=20
>=20
> As we have all seen and been frustrated to no end: squishy Republicans
> shake in their boots, and fail time and again to face down wrong, but
> determined, Democrats.
>=20
> We are close to exposing their corruption through an inquiry into
> campaign finance crimes (selling votes for Chinese Communist money).=20
> The Dems have gone into high scream level because they know how
> vulnerable they are. =20
>=20
> The votes are being tallied on next weeks' decision to impeach or not to
> impeach and the crucial swing voters are teetering on the edge of
> betraying us, the Constitution and the Second Amendment.  A vote for
> impeachment prevents a Gore presidential pardon, which means mouths
> closed in anticipation of pardon may suddenly start to speak.
>=20
> Please take a moment out of your busy life and contact Congress.
>=20
> 1) In person is best
> 2) then letters or faxes
> 3) then telephone calls
> 4) e-mails are better than nothing
> 5) If don't do anything?  You can't complain.
>=20
> Contacting Congress=20
> http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/  - has Fax numbers! Best! If not,
> then at least call.
>=20
> THE ELECTRONIC ACTIVIST An email address directory of congress, state
> governments, and media entities.
> http://www.berkshire.net/~ifas/activist/=20
>=20
> Mr. Smith E-Mails Washington(sm): Mr. Smith E-Mails The Media(sm)=20
> http://www.mrsmith.com/=20
>=20
> To do it cheap, but takes time...
> 1(800)361-5222 (ext. 90001) for any Representative or via the links:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>=20
>=20
> 2) REPEAL BRADY - DON'T RELY ON OTHERS TO DO ALL THE DIRTY WORK
>=20
> PLEASE TAKE ACTION
>=20
> ..and once you have contacted your CongressCritters and demanded that
> Clinton be impeached, swing by and send an e-mail to every member of
> Congress who has not yet signed on the legislation repealing the Brady
> Bill GunOwners of America at:
>=20
> http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html=20
>=20
> This handy device is all configured to auto-mail all the footdraggers.=20=

> You only need to fill in a couple of boxes and this great device does
> the rest of the work.
>=20
> Thank you for your time, attention, and patience.
>=20
> It's freedom you are leaving to your grandkids.
>=20
>=20
> In Liberty,
>=20
> Rick V.
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA
>=20




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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:31:49 -0700
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Jan. 1999 Hot Rod Magazine

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Below is a letter that I am sending to Hot Rod Magazine regarding a
letter on page 10.

"My wife is an elementary-school librarian and a car girl.  She is also
smart enough to realize that it's safer for her and her pubescent,
hormonally charged youngsters to ogle the cars and (sometimes) cleavage
in Hot Rod than for them to be getting ideas from say, Guns & Ammo! Duh!

Ignorance like that burns me up.

This is a prime example of why we need to get our message out to the
uninformed public.  HCI loves people like this.

Royce Hayes
4th Tx.
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- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

HOT ROD
6420 Wilshire Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90048-5515

Gentlemen: =20

I resent the slur and the "Duh" remark by Mr. Steve Kirkpatrick, Clio,
AL, regarding the merits of  semi-nudity versus "Guns & Ammo".

I have enjoyed "Hot Rod" many years, following one of my favorite=20
pastimes.  My other favorite pastime is shooting and reloading.  I have
subscribed to "Guns & Ammo" for many years.  They also sponsor my
favorite radio program "Gun Talk".

I find nothing derogatory between the pages of "Guns & Ammo", and
certainly nothing that would make me ashamed to let the smallest children
look at or read. =20

We defenders of 2nd amendment  rights are not a bunch of loose cannons.=20
We love our country.  I have served in the military to defend Mr.
Kirkpatrick's right to read whichever magazine he chooses.  Please do not
put me down or take away my rights because you are uninformed  as to what
is between the pages of my magazine.

I believe in being responsible and trained with cars or with firearms.=20
Either one can be lethal in the hands of the wrong person.  Should I say
that you should never teach a child about a car?  I think not.  The same
goes with firearms.  Proper training is the key.  Children must learn to
the respect the inherent dangers of both. =20

Sincerely,



___________________
Royce C. Hayes
10433 CR 1292
Flint, Texas 75762

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:32:19 -0700
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Clinton and gun shows

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:19:58 -0500
From: David Adams <[e-mail]>
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The following alert was forwarded to me from another list.  As you are =
well
aware, the Clinton Administration wants to strangle gun shows using the
federal agencies.=20
BATF is seeking public comment on gun shows.  Please take a moment to =
write
a well-thought, concerned letter to the BATF.  The address and other
information is listed below.

David Adams
NRA-ILA-EVC, VA 7th
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/8358/
[e-mail]
___________________________________________________________________________=

_________

The Clinton-Gore administration has set its sights on gun shows, and they
will use every means at their disposal to eliminate the rights of gun
owners in America. The BATF has recently issued an open letter requesting
comments from "interested parties concerning gun shows." It reads as
follows:
"On November 7, 1998, the President expressed his concern about the =
numbers
of firearms sold at gun shows and elsewhere without Brady background =
checks
being conducted or the ability to trace the firearms being sold...The
President has asked that the secretary and the Attorney General provide =
him
with recommendations by January 6, 1999.
"The BATF would like your comments and suggestions concerning this matter.
For your input to be considered please include your name and address. We
request that your reply be returned to this office by December 7, 1998. We
appreciate your time and input. Please mail comments to:
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
Attn: Gun Shows
        '       650 Massachusetts Ave. NW, Suite 7400
                Washington, DC,  20226"


Of course, BATF's expansion of the President's statements to include
regulating gun sales "elsewhere" raises more questions about the ultimate
goals of the Administration. Time is short, so please be sure to submit
your comments as soon as possible if you would like to have them considered=

by the December 7 deadline. If you would like more information on how
protect your Second Amendment Rights, please contact the NRA member =
Council
of King County, WAshington, at [phone], or come to one of our
meetings, The second Friday of every month, 7:00PM at Weapons Safety =
Indoor
Range in Bellevue, 13215 SE 30th St., Bellevue.

Please forward this message to any interested parties-
Ken Houghton

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:44:32 -0700
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: For your amusement: "Pistol Envy"]

Go to the referenced site and read the story, it is hilarious


See:
http://www.realmensch.com/articles2/pistol.html=20



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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:21:59 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Charles Hardy)
Subject: Smart Card Licenses one step at a time

We managed to keep them from doing smart cards two years ago, so
they'll just give it to us one piece at a time now--starting with bar
codes and digitized pictures.  All in the name of security, stopping
forgers, and such, of course.  And of course, they have no plans to
add anything else *at this time*.  Just like SS numbers would *never*
be used for ID purposes.  Once anything is digitized, it can be copied
any number of times onto any number of systems quickly and perfectly.
Any ideas on how to stop this.


From today's Trib:




            Thursday, December 10, 1998


            New Utah Licenses Will Thwart Counterfeiters




                        BY LISA CARRICABURU
                        THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE


                            Utah's Driver License Division is about to merge
                        onto the Information Superhighway.
                            The agency has awarded Polaroid Corp. a five-year,
                        $4.5 million contract for a new digital-imaging and
                        database system that by next fall will begin producing
                        driver licenses with built-in security features designed
                        to prevent duplication and fraud.
                            ``Our existing system is so antiquated, documents
                        can easily be reproduced with commercially available
                        software and equipment,'' said Bart Blackstock, Driver
                        Services Bureau chief.
                            The new system, in contrast, will have safeguards
                        guaranteed to drive counterfeiters crazy.
                            Their crimes and those committed by forgers last
                        year led to nearly 1,200 arrests, according to Crime in
                        Utah 1997, published by the Utah Department of Public
                        Safety.
                            Once the system is in place in November 1999,
                        drivers and state ID card holders will convert to the
                        new documents on their renewal dates.
                            For that reason, it may take up to five years to
                        build the computer database with digital photographs of
                        all Utah's licensed drivers and ID card holders.
                            Once that database is in place, however, it also
                        will serve as a valuable law-enforcement tool,
                        Blackstock said.
                            Police officers, for example, will be able to
                        quickly access the database from laptop computers in
                        their patrol cars, he said.
                            ``They have access to similar information now; it
                        just takes longer.''
                            The 500,000 driver licenses, learner permits and
                        identification cards Utah awards each year to the
                        state's 1.3 million motorists and other residents will
                        originate at special computer workstations Polaroid will
                        install in Utah's 25 driver license offices, said Kent
                        Sharp, Polaroid program manager.
                            Pictures captured by digital cameras will be stored
                        as computer files. They will be sent to a central
                        location where all documents will be produced, he said.
                            The new licenses will resemble credit cards.
                            A plastic laminate will be impossible to remove
                        without damaging the document, unlike existing
                        documents, which can be peeled apart fairly easily,
                        Blackstock said.
                            In addition, each license issued will have a bar
                        code programmed with some of the information printed on
                        the document, such as the holder's name, address and
                        license number, he said. Even if counterfeiters are able
                        to alter documents' outward appearances, they will be
                        unable to change the information encrypted on the bar
                        code.
                            And because all documents will be produced at a
                        single location, it will be easier to control materials
                        used to make them, preventing thefts that lead to
                        duplication or production of fraudulent documents.
                            ``The process overall will be much more secure,''
                        Blackstock said.
                            He stressed the new licenses will not be ``smart
                        cards,'' as once discussed by lawmakers. While it will
                        be possible one day to add microchips to the cards
                        capable of storing bank account numbers and other
                        information, ``We have no plans whatsoever to add such
                        capabilities now.''
                            Legislators two years ago scrapped plans to add
                        smart-card capabilities to Utah driver licenses after
                        some residents complained, saying they feared the
                        feature may give government access to personal
                        information.
                            For Utah drivers, the new system means they will not
                        receive their licenses the same day their photographs
                        are taken. Instead, they will receive temporary permits
                        they may use for the five to seven days it takes for
                        licenses to be made at the central facility and mailed
                        out.
                            The change also means driver license renewal fees
                        may increase, Blackstock said.
                            Each new license will cost the state about $2.75 to
                        make, as opposed to the $1 cost for existing licenses.
                            The Driver License Division in January will ask the
                        Legislature for permission to slightly raise the
                        driver-license renewal fee, which currently is $10, he
                        said.
                            Utah is one of several states converting to digital
                        driver license systems, Sharp said.
                            Polaroid already has installed systems in Colorado,
                        Georgia, Iowa, Missouri, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas,
                        Virginia and West Virginia.






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<[e-mail]>            | these things I'm fairly certain
801.588.7200 (work)        | I'm not the one he'd have express it.

"If there is one basic element in our Constitution, it is civilian
 control of the military." -- President Harry S. Truman (1884-1972)

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Subject: Fwd: Fw: Pol-Now the UN is after ammo as well

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Subject: Fw: Pol-Now the UN is after ammo as well
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To: CyberShooters <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:02 PM
Subject: CS: Pol-Now the UN is after ammo as well


BACKGROUND INFORMATION

STUDY GROUP ON AMMUNITION AND EXPLOSIVES IN ALL THEIR ASPECTS

Deriving from a recommendation of the Report of the Secretary-General on
Small
Arms submitted in pursuance of General Assembly resolution 50/70 B
(A/52/298),
the Study Group on Ammunition and Explosives in all their aspects has been
established in pursuance of operative paragraph 3 of General Assembly
resolution 52/38 J on "Small Arms". This paragraph asks the
Secretary-General
to "initiate a study on the problems of ammunition and explosives in all
their
aspects, as early as possible, within available financial resources, and =
in
cooperation with appropriate international and regional organizations =
where
necessary".

The first working session of the Study Group took place from 27 April to 1
May
1998 at United Nations Headquarters in New York. The Study Group is =
composed
by eight experts, participating in their individual capacity, representing
different regions of the world and different realities (Argentina, South
Africa, Switzerland, Finland, the United Nations Institute for Disarmament
Research, USA, Ireland and Slovakia).

The Study Group has been entrusted with the challenging task of preparing
the
first-ever UN report on the issue, and as a part of the global strategy to
curb the excessive and destabilizing accumulation of small arms.

In this sense, the Study Group defined his own task as: carrying out a =
study
that, without prejudice to the legitimate possession, trade and use of
ammunition and explosives, seeks to assess whether and how enhanced =
controls
of ammunition and explosives can contribute to preventing and reducing the
excessive and destabilizing accumulation and proliferation, as well as the
abuse of small arms.

The Study Group established a framework for the study and divided the work
among its members according to specialization and regions of origin. The
first
draft framework included different sections such as the definition of the
mandate and authority of the Study Group, identification of the problem of
ammunition and explosives; providers, consumers, transfers, stocks,
surpluses,
regional characteristics, existing forms of control and options for
improving
control.

The Study Group has also drafted a questionnaire which was transmitted to
governments, producers, trade associations and other actors involved in =
the
production or traffic of ammunition and explosives. This questionnaire
includes inquiries related to capacity of production, exports and imports,
illegal trafficking, transfers of technology, destruction of stocks and
surpluses, transport legislation and international exchange of information.=

Moreover, there is also a technical section including inquiries on the =
types
of ammunition and explosives used or identified in a given country.

Based on the information received from this questionnaire, as well as from
other sources of information, the Study Group will consider a set of
recommendations and proposals to enhance control over ammunition and
explosives, as a part of the overall strategy to control the excessive
proliferation, accumulation and use of small arms and light weapons. A =
close
connection between the Study Group and the Group of Governmental Experts =
on
Small Arms is envisaged.

The second session of the Study Group is scheduled to be held from 11 to =
15
January 1999 at UN Headquarters.

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>New anti-money laundering rules spark big protest on bank privacy
>5.26 p.m. ET (2226 GMT) December 10, 1998
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>WASHINGTON (AP) * Federal regulators are being deluged with thousands of
>e-mail messages from citizens furious about new anti-money laundering =
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>
>As a visible symbol of the federal government with a plaque in every bank
>branch, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. has become a magnet for
>consumers' anger over the proposed rules.
>
>But regulators at other federal banking agencies also reported Thursday
they
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of
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...
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>FDIC spokesman David Barr said the agency had received a staggering 2,700
>e-mails and letters opposing the proposal.
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>anti-government groups claiming the proposed rules are part of a federal
>conspiracy aimed at limiting people's constitutional rights, according to
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>
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>rules, have taken pains to reassure consumers that their privacy would be
>protected under the changes.
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and
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