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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 16:02:48 -0400
From: Patricia Neill <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Family doctors asked to point out gun risks

Sounds like they're just making up numbers again. Pretty common tactic
among those folk.

Good God this is aggravating!

If I had a doctor that laid this kind of crap on me, I'd simply change =
doctors.

COL. HARRY S. BACHSTEIN

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NOTE: Will doctors be required to ask patients if they own guns, and if
so, will they be required to make a record of this and report it? And will
it become a crime to refuse to offer this info to a doctor, or to falsely
respond to any questions he may ask about this subject?
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Family doctors asked to point out gun risks

Copyright * 1998 Scripps Howard

WASHINGTON (July 1, 1998 01:04 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) -- =
Along
with shots for mumps and measles and a plot on the growth chart, public
health advocates are pressing family doctors and nurses to talk to =
patients
about the risks posed by guns in their home during routine office visits.

An expanded program to promote these discussions was announced Tuesday by
Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala and Sarah Brady,
chairwoman of the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence.

With more than 5,000 children under 18 killed by guns each year, "gun
accidents in the home are a major public health concern no less than polio
or polluted water," Shalala said. "We need to get the message into every
household and to every parent: If you want to keep a gun in your house, =
the
only way to keep it is unloaded and locked up."

Even before the recent rash of fatal school shootings by youngsters using
high-powered weapons drew new attention to the problem, a number of
physician associations had started urging members to become more active in
preventing firearms injury.

Noting that one out of five pediatricians nationwide had treated a young
gunshot victim, the American Academy of Pediatrics joined with the Center
to Prevent Handgun Violence four years ago to distribute brochures and
counseling kits to some 20,000 physicians offices nationwide.=20

And the American College of Physicians in January issued a call to its
100,000 members to counsel patients on handgun use and safety and support
other efforts to reduce gun injury and violence.

But a study published in the Annals of Internal Medicine this year found
that while 9 of 10 physicians consider firearm violence to be a major
public health issue, fewer than 20 percent said they routinely discuss the
risks of firearms ownership and storage with their patients.=20

A spokeswoman for the pediatric organization said no surveys have been =
done
to determine how many of the doctors who received the original information
kits have been using them regularly.

But Brady said she knows of "case after case of people all over the =
country
who have used these ... There's every evidence in the world that it's been
used and been used very effectively."

While there's some evidence that gun ownership and violence may have =
peaked
in the past two or three years, gunshot wounds remain the second-leading
cause of traumatic death in the U.S., behind only auto crashes. About
40,000 Americans are killed by guns every year.

Shalala said health care providers would rather prevent an injury than
fight to save a life after a shooting. Despite the time pressures faced by
many doctors and other caregivers, "I can't imagine a physician or a nurse
or another public health provider in this country not wanting to focus on
things that affect kids' lives and families' lives. This doesn't have to =
be
a lengthy conversation, but an ongoing conversation."

Brady said there are an estimated 192 million firearms in the country,
including 65 million handguns, and that surveys indicate a quarter of gun
owners keep a weapon loaded and ready for use.=20

The risks from such guns extend not just to children, but anyone in the
home. Shalala said that for every instance in which a gun is used in a =
home
to kill in self-defense, 43 family members and acquaintances die in
suicides, homicides and accidents.

The program unveiled Tuesday is called Steps To Prevent Firearm Injuries =
in
the Home. Promotional mailings and distribution of the materials is being
paid for by the Metropolitan Life Foundation.

Besides urging gun safety within the home, the educational materials also
caution parents to find out whether guns are kept in homes of their
children's friends, and if so, talk to other parents to ensure they're
stored safely.

Lee Bowman covers health and science for Scripps Howard News Service. He
can be reached at [e-mail].

Copyright 1998 Nando.net
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NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior
interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and
educational purposes only.=20
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COL. HARRY S. BACHSTEIN
http://members.aol.com/bach11/adventurer.htm
"Man is not my Ultimate Judge."
1998 Polaris News Syndicate
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NEW! The Colonel has joined STEELHORSE MAGAZINE
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 98 23:54:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Verification of Colt's donation to Schumer

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 14:18:29 -0400
From: E Pluribus Unum <[e-mail]>
To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network <[e-mail]>

Verification of Colt's donations to Schumer and the Democratic party can
be found at www.tray.com/fecinfo

It is painfully obvious that Colt is buttering both sides of it's
bread. Many law firms, businesses and corporations do the same thing.
Play both sides, so someone in the firm always stays on the good side of
those in power.
Also the gentleman may go to the same synagogue, so it might be
considered like a donation to a family member.
Dennis Walker: [e-mail]
IN THE ARENA!
Quis custodiet ipso custodes?

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P.O. Box 791         Eventline/Voicemail: [phone]
Grove City, OH 43123

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 98 23:54:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: The Government Has Our Number

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 14:50:25 -0400
From: E Pluribus Unum <[e-mail]>
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Source: Wired
http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/13441.html

The Government Has Our Numbers
by Lori Patel

4:00am3.Jul.98.PDT
Your banker has it. Your employer has it. Your
insurer, the IRS, and, frankly, you can't remember
who else has it. So what difference does it make if
the US Department of Transportation joins the
crowd asking to see your Social Security number?

Recently, the department published its intention to
require all states to verify Social Security numbers
before issuing or renewing drivers' licenses.
Depending on who one asks, the significance of
this decision can swell or shrink like a top-notch
special effect.

"Fear of crime and terrorism has caused us to let
down our guard against excessive intrusion into
the lives of the law abiding. The ease of minor
borrowing and the transformation of shopping into
recreation has addicted us to credit cards," wrote
New York Times columnist William Safire. "Taken
together, the fear and the ease make a map of our
lives available to cops, crazies, and con men
alike."

As strategies to combat the technology-fueled
growth of database portraiture, Safire
recommended that readers "write your local
legislator demanding that a Privacy Impact
Statement be required before passage of any new
law ... [and] resist mightily requests for your
Social Security number."

Much as Safire rails against it, the drive to collect
citizens' Social Security numbers seems past the
point of no return. Indeed, while the Department of
Transportation may have just published its
intention to collect the numbers, the proposed rule
was legislated as part of the 1996 Immigration
Reform Act. The idea was to make it harder for
illegal immigrants to obtain fraudulent licenses, as
well as welfare and other benefits available to US
citizens.

To achieve this goal, the Transportation
Department rule would give states until October
2000 to include greater security features on their
licenses. States would also be required to sharpen
identity checks by verifying the Social Security
numbers of applicants. In the past, states
collected the numbers -- some even used them as
driver's license numbers -- but did not verify their
accuracy with the Social Security Administration.

Among some observers, the proposed rule is
causing a great deal of angst. Critics charge that
the rule would create what amounts to a national
ID card, which would smooth the way for the US
government to profile and monitor its citizens.
"What I'm imagining is martial law, in which you
can't move from place to place, you can't access
your bank account information, can't own a gun
because you've been profiled as a deadbeat dad,"
said Lisa S. Dean, vice president of governance
and policy at the conservative Free Congress
Foundation.

The Department of Transportation denies its
database could be used for nefarious purposes
and points out that even its own department does
not maintain a comprehensive file of US drivers.

"There is no file of all drivers," said William
Holden, chief of the Driver Registration and Traffic
Records division. He explained that the National
Driver Registry tracks only problem motorists.
"Creating a file of all US drivers would require
legislation and cost a substantial sum of money,"
he said. Holden said he believes the states would
be unlikely to agree to such a scheme.

The proposed rule is open to commentary until 3
August. But since the rule merely implements
legislation that has already passed, there is little
doubt that -- unless the legislation is reversed --
some version of the rule will go forward. "We don't
have a whole lot of options there," Holden said.

While Holden disagreed that the verification plan
could enable any sort of Big Brother state, the
idea is not quite as far-fetched as it may seem.

The American Association of Motor Vehicle
Administrators, a private organization that works
closely with the transportation agency, is laying
the groundwork for such a database. The group is
planning a two-year study of a comprehensive
database, said Linda Lewis, director of public and
legislative affairs at the association, which is made
up of chief administrators from the United States
and Canadian provinces.

"Tickets, citations, revocations, suspensions,
child-support delinquencies -- all would show up,"
Lewis said.

Lewis offered cold comfort for privacy advocates'
fears about the database. "If it's not the Social
Security number that ties you to that information,
it's some other number. It's just a fact of life," she
said.

The amount of information bundled to one's Social
Security number has grown enormously in recent
years while the requirements to give it up freely
have increased. It is no longer just the Social
Security Administration or the Internal Revenue
Service that demands the number. In pursuit of
deadbeat parents, for instance, the Department of
Health and Human Services collects the Social
Security numbers of all new employees in a "new
hires" database.

But as privacy advocates point out, once
information is collected, it can be used for
previously unconsidered purposes. "New kinds of
data will be collected in ways that weren't in the
past, because it can now be brought together with
other data," information studies scholar Phil Agre
predicts. "Once [the information is] in place,
imaginations work overtime about what to do with
it and what to start collecting."

Under one proposed bill, the Department of
Treasury could access the Department of Health's
new hires database to collect debt owed to the
government. In other words, a file created to
protect kids could be used to ensure Uncle Sam
collects his cash, too.

"I don't go ballistic when I hear the words 'national
ID card,'" said Gary Marx, a sociology professor
who writes about the implications of
information-gathering techniques. "Belgium has a
national ID card. It's a joke. It doesn't really mean
anything."

While Marx rates the new licenses fairly low on
the list of privacy issues that should command
Americans' attention, he has no question that
such databases do create a realistic potential for
abuse.

"This is not just paranoia," he said. "[During the
Holocaust], the percentage of Jews killed in the
Netherlands was higher than anywhere. That's because
the Dutch were really efficient census takers."
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P.O. Box 791         Eventline/Voicemail: [phone]
Grove City, OH 43123

Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse
3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.)

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 98 23:54:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Cultural War for Independence

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 14:26:13 -0400
From: E Pluribus Unum <[e-mail]>
To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network <[e-mail]>

Source: PR Newswire

Gun Rights Dean: Right to Bear Arms for Self-Defense On Cutting Edge of
Today's Cultural War for Independence

WASHINGTON, July 3 /PRNewswire/ -- "The struggle to preserve the
right to keep and bear arms is as important today as it was on that
first Independence Day in 1776," John Snyder, named "Dean" of gun
lobbyists by both The Washington Post and the New York Times, said here
this morning.

"Few today realize that the proximate cause of our War for
Independence was the attempt by British Crown troops to seize Americans'
arms and ammunition," continued Snyder, Public Affairs Director of the
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

"Now, more than two centuries later," he added, "the underlying cause
for the developing pro-gun movement in our country is the attempt by
modern statist forces to eviscerate the traditional American Second
Amendment right of individual law-abiding citizens to keep and bear
arms.

"This political struggle, the fight to preserve our right to keep
and bear arms, our right to protect life and property from criminal
attack, our right to self-defense, is at the cutting edge of today's
general cultural war to preserve traditional American civil rights and
economic values against continuing collectivist assaults.

"Among today's political descendants of the late 18th Century gun
grabbing Crown government are gun grabbing United Nations bureaucrats,
the Clinton-Gore Administration, congressional anti-gun owner hate
mongers, and anti-gun owner organizations.

"The statists use wedge issues such as fear of violent crime and
concern for the safety of children as pretexts for advancing their
attacks on the rights of law-abiding citizens. They often are aided and
abetted by emotionally convulsed media personalities who have not yet
realized that the gun grabbers already have lost out on the intellectual
battlefield. The book More Guns -- Less Crime, by Professor John R.
Lott, Jr., is just the latest example of the intellectual whipping the
gun grabbers have been suffering in
recent months and years.

"Today, the future belongs to those of us who, like our political
forebears on that first Independence Day, cherish freedom and are ready
to struggle to maintain it. We shall overcome."

Snyder is a former Associate Editor of The American Rifleman, official
monthly journal of the National Rifle Association. The Washington Times
has characterized him as "a Champion of the right to self-defense."

SOURCE Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
CONTACT: John Snyder of the Citizens Committee for the Right to
Keep and Bear Arms, 202-543-3363 or 703-418-0849

⌐1998 PR Newswire.
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Grove City, OH 43123

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 98 23:54:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Computers fired up to check gun sales - ssns required

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July 1, 1998

Computers fired up to check gun sales

Pennsylvania's new system begins today. Crime records are checked on the
spot.

http://www.phillynews.com:80/inquirer/98/Jul/01/city/GUNS01.htm

ASSOCIATED PRESS

HARRISBURG -- Pennsylvania State Police officials say the new computerized
system to check the criminal backgrounds of people buying handguns, which
goes into effect today, is the most comprehensive in the nation.

State police expect to conduct more than 1 million background checks for
about 4,000 gun dealers on both handguns and long guns by the end of this
year.

"We'll be working well into the evening tonight to make sure this is ready,"
Maj. Ronald J. Hackenberg, director of the State Police Bureau of Forensics
and Criminal Identification, said yesterday.

Those who will be barred from buying guns include anyone convicted of
violent felony crimes or of drunken driving three times in a five-year
period or anyone with a history of serious mental-health problems. In
addition, those who have had a protection-from-abuse order filed against
them or who have been convicted of simple assault in relation to a domestic
violence incident will be barred.

State police expect to reject only about 10 percent of the total requests,
Hackenberg said.

The data base has stored about 1.5 million criminal records, and no other
state has such a comprehensive system, Hackenberg said. The only other state
with a similarly vast background-check system is Georgia, but it handles
only 90,000 requests per year, he said.

On Tuesday, state police operators gave the $3.5 million computer system a
test run, answering background-check requests on fictitious names submitted
by two participating Harrisburg-area gun dealers.

The system resembles a large telemarketing office; 29 phone operators sit in
office cubicles at computers and answer up to 46 telephone lines, Hackenberg
said.

Checks could take two minutes or could last several days. The system is
automated, and requires the caller to enter driver's license and Social
Security numbers. Clearance is given automatically if the buyer has no
criminal record, Hackenberg said. If the computer flags a call, however, it
routes it to the state police phone operators for further investigation.

Currently, federal law requires handgun buyers to wait five days while
background criminal records are checked manually. Local sheriffs send
information requests to the state police and the FBI.



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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 98 23:54:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Your papers, please

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 14:30:28 -0400
From: E Pluribus Unum <[e-mail]>
To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network <[e-mail]>

Source: WorldNetDaily

Your papers, please
By Joseph Farah

The day is coming soon when Americans will be required
to carry a nationally approved identification card to
get work and satisfy other basic needs of survival.

No, I know you haven't seen much on this threat to
privacy on the network television news or read about it
in the establishment press. Don't let that fact lull you
into a false sense of complacency that what I am about
to tell you is black-helicopter stuff.

In 1996, Congress passed the Illegal Immigration
Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. Nearly
everyone rejoiced because they assumed the legislation
cracked down, as the name implied, on illegal aliens.
Few, including members of Congress, actually
bothered to read the bill.

One section of that law requires all states to make their
driver's licenses comply with strict guidelines of the act.
As of Oct. 1, 2000 -- a month before the next
presidential election -- the federal government
mandates that Social Security numbers be included as
the license number. Eventually, the act also requires the
cards to include digitized biometric information such as
fingerprints, retina scans and DNA prints.

The Department of Transportation has already
developed elaborate guidelines for the new licenses.
Suffice it to say that without them, otherwise
law-abiding citizens of the United States will find it next
to impossible to buy a gun, get a job, board a plane,
vote, cash a check, open a bank account, purchase
insurance, receive federal benefits, obtain a loan or
receive medical service.

And that's just what we can see from here. Remember,
when the Social Security card was instituted, and for
many years thereafter, use of the number for
identification purposes was strictly forbidden. My card
still insists it is.

Don't count on the 10th Amendment guarantees to
save you from this fate, either. Executive Order
13083, issued by Clinton last month, effectively
neutered any notions about federalism and states' rights
without objection from the cowardly Congress. As I
mentioned in a previous column, the executive order
pretty much allows the federal government to do what
it wants, when it wants, for any reason it wants.

There's only one hope of stopping this march to a
belated 1984 nightmare world -- and, if past results
are any indication of future performance, it isn't much
of a hope. Congress still has the power to strike this
monster down -- if members can muster the courage,
foresight and boldness. That's a big "if." But it's worth
a try.

The Free Congress Foundation, one of the few activist
organizations fighting both the national ID card and
Clinton's executive order, is urging people to write and
call their representatives and senators.

For what it's worth, you can also make your voice
heard at the Department of Transportation, which is
getting ready to dot the "I's" and cross the "T's" on its
plan for the national ID card. All comments must be in
writing, are limited to 15 pages and must be received
no later than Aug. 3. Two copies of your comments
should be sent to Docket No. NHTSA-98-3945,
Docket Management Room PL-401, National
Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Nassif
Building, 400 Seventh Street, S.W., Washington, D.C.
20590. Be sure to place the docket number on each
page of your comments. These bureaucrats will look
for any reason to place your missive in the circular file.
And, no, they don't accept e-mails.

I don't know about you, but I, for one, do not want my
kids growing up in a land where they are required to
carry national identity papers. That's not what America
is about. Wake up your political representatives.
Explain to them that, while they are preoccupied with
side issues like tobacco taxes, somebody is stealing
our country, our heritage of freedom, our legacy of
individual rights.

More to the point: Tell them to take their national
identity card and stick it where the sun don't shine.

A daily radio broadcast adaptation of Joseph
Farah's commentaries can be heard at
http://www.ktkz.com/

⌐ 1998 Western Journalism Center
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P.O. Box 791         Eventline/Voicemail: [phone]
Grove City, OH 43123

Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse
3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.)

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:38:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Verification of Colt's donation to Schumer

On Fri, 03 Jul 98, [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON) wrote:
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 14:18:29 -0400
>From: E Pluribus Unum <[e-mail]>
>To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network <[e-mail]>
>
>Verification of Colt's donations to Schumer and the Democratic party
can
>be found at www.tray.com/fecinfo

Colt?  or Zilkha?

If you want to go after Colt, read Colt CEO(?)/President(?) Ron
Stewart's column about user proprietary technology and federal
standards for firearm ownership.


>
>It is painfully obvious that Colt is buttering both sides of it's
>bread. Many law firms, businesses and corporations do the same thing.
>Play both sides, so someone in the firm always stays on the good side
of
>those in power.

>Also the gentleman may go to the same synagogue, so it might be
>considered like a donation to a family member.


And Bill Clinton is a Southern Baptist, therefore we can smear all
Southern Baptists with the Clinton brush?  Hard to decide here whether
this is a little mild anti-Semitism or just simple-minded b.s.  I
would have thought if ANY firearms list was sensitive to religious
slurs, it would be the Utah list.

Joe W


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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:53:04 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Where's the publicity?

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Why isn't this getting more publicity? Because there's no gun involved?
Apparently being set afire, and burned over 99% of your body until you're
unconscious for four days, just isn't nasty or painful enough to make the
news. Even a little child molestation doesn't make the story good enough.
But if that 13-year-old had waved a toy gun... hoo boy, stop the presses!

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     CONROE, Texas, July 3 (UPI) - A 13-year-old boy is behind bars on
suspicion he poured flammable liquid on an 8-year-old boy and set him =
ablaze
last week.=20
     Montgomery County investigators took the boy into custody Thursday, =
and
they say he has admitted to attacking Robert Middleton in Splendora, north
of Houston, on the victim's eighth birthday.=20
     He remains in juvenile detention today awaiting formal charges in the
case, and may stay locked up until Monday.=20
     The boy suffered third-degree burns over 99 percent of his body.=20
     The Houston Chronicle quotes an investigator saying the 13-year-old
attacked the boy because he may have seen the older boy molesting a small
child in some woods.=20
     The Montgomery County sheriff's investigator tells the Chronicle, =
``We
do have information that Robert told people he saw (the teen) molesting a
child in the woods some time ago.''=20
     Montgomery County Sheriff Guy Williams says the case was like a =
murder
investigation for several days because Middleton was unable to name his
assailant.=20
     Four days later he regained consciousness and told police who was at
the scene at the time.=20
     Middleton remains in critical condition, but he continues to improve =
at
the Shriners Burn Hospital in Galveston after his brush with death. =
Doctors
have removed a ventilator he was using after he showed he could breathe on
his own.
     Family members are keeping a round-the-clock vigil at his side.=20
     Doctors at the hospital say people that badly burned have about a 50
percent chance of survival.=20
     They say the boy's ability to survive this long is a good indicator
that he may pull through. Still, he faces a long recovery and more than a
dozen surgeries, and he will be hospitalized at least 150 days.=20



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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 10:29:21 -0600
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If you want to see who is donating to candidates see the web site at
www.tray.com/fecinfo

I looked at LILY FOR CONGRESS, and found some interesting names. =20

I'm interested to see if Jane Fonda donates to Lilly like she donated to =
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 10:39:36 -0600
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Posted to rkba-co by "Charles 'Chuck' Inston" <[e-mail]>
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Chris W. Stark wrote:
>=20
>                     ****JPFO e-mail Alert!****
>=20
>        Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Inc.
>                  Aaron Zelman - Executive Director
>                       2874 So. Wentworth Ave.
>                         Milwaukee, WI 53207
>               Ph. [phone]  Fax [phone]
>                         http://www.JPFO.org
>                      [e-mail]
>=20
>                              07/04/98
>                              --------
>=20
>                       INDEPENDENCE DAY ALERT
>=20
>   On July 4 we commemorate when the Founders declared for Americans
> their independence from arbitrary oppressive rule. By the Declaration
> of Independence, they affirmed that all men are created equal with
> inalienable rights, and that governments are legitimate only when
> they derive their powers from the consent of the governed.
>=20
>   The Founders did not merely debate the matter -- they declared
> War against their own (British) government.  They were not
> rocking-chair patriots;  they signed their names below the
> following ominous sentence:
>=20
>    "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm
>     reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we
>     mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes,
>     and our sacred Honor."
>=20
>   The Founders pledged, and many lost, their lives and fortunes
> during the Revolutionary War.  That struggle created the nation
> where we can enjoy the fruits of liberty.
>=20
>   Toward the cause of liberty, are modern Americans willing to
> *mutually pledge* even the cost of pizza and beer?  A family of
> four spends over $20 at a pizza parlor for dinner.  Can the
> supporters of liberty pledge $20 to preserve their hard-won
> heritage?
>=20
>   Twenty dollars buys 25 copies of Gran*pa Jack*s Common Sense
> -- the booklet that teaches Americans all about the Bill of
> Rights.  Buy a bundle, hand them out to kids, or leave them on
> the coffee table for teens to discover. Go to:
>=20
> http://www.jpfo.org/editor.htm
>=20
> ....or go to:
>=20
> http://www.jpfo.org/jpfobor.htm
>=20
> ....for more info.
>=20
>   Our Founders pledged their lives and fortunes -- surely
> we can honor their sacrifice by passing the word to future
> generations.  There is no better time to declare war on
> ignorance of the Bill of Rights!  Act now!
>=20
>   As well, if you havent already, consider becoming a fighting
> member of JPFO. To become a JPFO member, go to:
>=20
> http://www.jpfo.org/member.htm
>=20
> There you will see a printable member application, along with
> info on membership. If you wish, you can become a member using
> our on-line application as well. Membership IS open to ALL Law
> abiding citizens.
>=20
> What does the 4th of July mean to you? For our founding fathers,
> it meant to "mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes,
> and our sacred Honor."
>=20
> .......and you?
>=20
> ****************************************************************
> Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO)
> Chris W. Stark - Director of Electronic Communications
> 2874 So. Wentworth Ave.
> Milwaukee, WI  53207
> Ph. [phone]
> Fax [phone]
> [e-mail]
>=20
> Visit our Web Page at: http://www.JPFO.org
>=20
> MEMBERSHIP IS OPEN TO ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.
>=20
> "America's Most Aggressive Defender of Firearms Ownership."
>   "If you don't support JPFO, then WHY support ANYONE?"
> ****************************************************************
> Copyright (c) 1998, JPFO
> Republication permitted provided this article & attribution
> is left intact in its original state.
> ****************************************************************
>=20
>      TO SUBSCRIBE TO OUR E-MAIL ALERTS, send an e-mail to:
>=20
>                      [e-mail]
>=20
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> ****************************************************************

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                              Charles 'Chuck' Inston

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to resist invasions of it in the case of others:
or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own.=20
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 98 23:14:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: INDEPENDENCE DAY ALERT

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 10:36:57 -0400
From: E Pluribus Unum <[e-mail]>
To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network <[e-mail]>
Subject: INDEPENDENCE DAY ALERT

****JPFO e-mail Alert!****

Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Inc.
          Aaron Zelman - Executive Director
               2874 So. Wentworth Ave.
                 Milwaukee, WI 53207
       Ph. [phone]  Fax [phone]
                 http://www.JPFO.org
              [e-mail]

                      07/04/98
                      --------

               INDEPENDENCE DAY ALERT

On July 4 we commemorate when the Founders declared for Americans
their independence from arbitrary oppressive rule. By the Declaration
of Independence, they affirmed that all men are created equal with
inalienable rights, and that governments are legitimate only when
they derive their powers from the consent of the governed.

The Founders did not merely debate the matter -- they declared
War against their own (British) government. They were not
rocking-chair patriots; they signed their names below the
following ominous sentence:

   "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm
    reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we
    mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes,
    and our sacred Honor."

The Founders pledged, and many lost, their lives and fortunes
during the Revolutionary War. That struggle created the nation
where we can enjoy the fruits of liberty.

Toward the cause of liberty, are modern Americans willing to
"mutually pledge" even the cost of pizza and beer? A family of
four spends over $20 at a pizza parlor for dinner. Can the
supporters of liberty pledge $20 to preserve their hard-won
heritage?

Twenty dollars buys 25 copies of Gran'pa Jack's Common Sense
- -- the booklet that teaches Americans all about the Bill of
Rights. Buy a bundle, hand them out to kids, or leave them on
the coffee table for teens to discover. Go to:

http://www.jpfo.org/editor.htm

....or go to:

http://www.jpfo.org/jpfobor.htm

....for more info.

Our Founders pledged their lives and fortunes -- surely
we can honor their sacrifice by passing the word to future
generations. There is no better time to declare war on
ignorance of the Bill of Rights! Act now!

As well, if you haven't already, consider becoming a fighting
member of JPFO. To become a JPFO member, go to:

http://www.jpfo.org/member.htm

There you will see a printable member application, along with
info on membership. If you wish, you can become a member using
our on-line application as well. Membership IS open to ALL Law
abiding citizens.

What does the 4th of July mean to you? For our founding fathers,
it meant to "mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes,
and our sacred Honor."

.......and you?

****************************************************************
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO)
Chris W. Stark - Director of Electronic Communications
2874 So. Wentworth Ave.
Milwaukee, WI  53207
Ph. [phone]
Fax [phone]
[e-mail]

Visit our Web Page at: http://www.JPFO.org

MEMBERSHIP IS OPEN TO ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

"America's Most Aggressive Defender of Firearms Ownership."
"If you don't support JPFO, then WHY support ANYONE?"
****************************************************************
Copyright (c) 1998, JPFO
Republication permitted provided this article & attribution
is left intact in its original state.
****************************************************************

TO SUBSCRIBE TO OUR E-MAIL ALERTS, send an e-mail to:

[e-mail]

...and in the body of the message, type the word "subscribe".


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