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- utah-firearms-digest Sunday, June 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 072
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- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 07:32:00 -0700
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Third Glock from the Sun?
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- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:01:53 -0400
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- - -----Original Message-----
- From: J. Neil Schulman <jneil@loop.com>
- Subject: "Third Glock from the Sun?"
-
- Just forwarded to me in email. Funny! -- Neil
-
- ++++++++++++++++++++++
-
- June 11, 1998
-
- A Show That Says Yes to Firepower
-
- By GARY KRIST
-
- "In Hollywood . . . there are more gun
- owners in the closet than homosexuals."
-
- - -- Charlton Heston, new president of the National Rifle Association.
-
- In an announcement that took Hollywood insiders by surprise,
- Helen LaCorcia, star of the hit ABC sitcom "Helen," admitted
- today that she has for many years secretly been the owner of
- a handgun.
-
- "It's time to come clean," Ms. LaCorcia said, patting a holster
- strapped stylishly under her left shoulder. "If Hollywood and
- the rest of America can't accept me for what I am, it's their
- problem, not mine."
-
- Ms. LaCorcia, appearing at a hastily called press conference,
- then drew her Sig Sauer 9-millimeter semiautomatic and brandished
- it in front of the cameras. "And yes, it's loaded," she said.
- "Deal with it."
-
- Later, in an unscheduled appearance on "Oprah," Ms. LaCorcia
- elaborated on her revelation. "Hollywood has been hypocritical
- on this issue for years," she said. "Everyone knows that the
- industry is full of weapons enthusiasts, but no one wants to
- admit it. They're all afraid that nobody will cast them if word
- gets around that they're packing heat."
-
- Asked if her eponymous television character will also be coming
- out as a gun owner, the gamine comedian said: "Absolutely. In
- fact, we've already scripted an episode in which Helen meets
- someone -- someone special -- who takes her to a firing range
- and persuades her to fire off a couple practice rounds. She's
- converted immediately."
-
- Ms. LaCorcia then added, "We're hoping to get Quentin Tarantino
- for the part."
-
- Across the nation, gun industry analysts were quick to hail the
- announcement as a milestone. "Sure, we've had plenty of sitcoms
- with pistol-toting sidekicks and best friends," said Graydon
- Menaker, media critic for Guns & Ammo magazine. "But this is
- the first time we'll be seeing a fully armed major character
- in a top-rated comedy series. It's historic."
-
- Some television executives were more cautious. "The audience for
- shows like 'Helen' tends to be a lot more pacifist than we realize,"
- said Les Goreham, the vice president for product placement at CBS.
- "Our friends at ABC are in uncharted waters here."
-
- Lobbyists and representatives of gun-control organizations
- responded to the announcement with derision. "These are supposed
- to be family shows," complained Adelaide Tift of Americans Against
- the Propagation of Firearms. "Next we'll have the Nanny toting
- a .22-caliber Beretta. Or Frasier with an Uzi in his briefcase.
- And where will it end? 'Third Glock From the Sun'?"
-
- The real test of Ms. LaCorcia's decision, however, will come
- from regular watchers of "Helen," and at least some of them
- were cheering her courage. "I'm proud of her," said Malia, a
- self-described munitions performance artist from New York.
- "It's about time someone stood up and showed the world that
- owning a handgun doesn't make us any different from anyone else.
- I had actually lost interest in the show recently, but now I'll
- be glued to my set every week."
-
- But other longtime fans were less certain in their reactions.
- "I guess I'll still watch it," said Jennifer, a Chicago
- native who has been a devotee of the show since its premiere.
- "As long as the writers don't get too trigger-happy, you know?
- I watch 'Helen' to have a few laughs, not to be lectured at
- about the social acceptability of possessing weapons."
-
- Looking suddenly embarrassed, she quickly added,
- "Not that there's anything wrong with that."
-
- Gary Krist is the author of the novel "Bad Chemistry."
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- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:45:13 -0700
- From: DAVID SAGERS <dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us>
- Subject: Re: A Letter to My Senator -Forwarded
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- June 12, 1998
-
- Chuck Hagel
- U.S. Senator
- 346 Russell Senate Office Building
- Washington, DC 20510-2706
-
-
- Dear Senator:
-
- Thank you for your response to my postcard request that you remove your
- name from cosponsorship of S.10, the Violent and Repeat Juvenile Offender
- Act. You state that the bill fundamentally reassesses the federal role
- in fighting juvenile crime.
-
- I object to your position regarding this bill from two vistas:
-
- 1. Even though I wish to be tough on crime (probably tougher than
- most) I object to the increasing federal presence in this arena.
- 2. The bill makes further incursions into infringement of the second
- amendment.
-
- We do not need more federal law to combat crime. We need rigorous
- enforcement of existing law. Recent federal legislation such as
- R.I.C.O., Property Seizure, and the Ex Post Facto provisions of the
- Lautenberg Act have set dangerous milestones in possible AND actual
- deprivation of liberty. If the Senate feels it must do something, figure
- out how to get tough with the judges and other criminal justice bleeding
- hearts. Define for them that the issue at stake in the criminal justice
- milieu is the vindication of the social covenant and NOT rehabilitation
- of criminals who have never been "habilitated" in the first place. We
- need to concentrate on the possible and forget the impossible.
-
- You agree that the bill has certain provisions that put new burdens on
- legitimate gun owners and that these burdens will be removed as the bill
- progresses through the legislative process. Forgive me a little wheeze
- that sounds like hooey. I would prefer that you remove your name from
- cosponsorship until at least these "burdens" are removed. I have been
- around for some years and do not trust the "legislative process" to
- protect my rights. This whole idea is almost and oxymoron. This concern
- should be clear when you consider the defacto gun tax, gun and gun owner
- registration that is now in place under the "Insta-Check" law. Please
- remove your name from the S.10 list.
-
- Again, thanks for your response.
-
-
- Cordially,
-
-
- Larry Ball
-
-
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:47:34 -0700
- From: DAVID SAGERS <dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us>
- Subject: Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America' -Forwarded
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- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:45:47 -0700
- From: DAVID SAGERS <dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us>
- To: dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us
- Subject: Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America'
-
- Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America'
-
- Copyright # 1998 Nando.net
- Copyright # 1998 Reuters News Service
-
- PHILADELPHIA (June 6, 1998 11:44 p.m. EDT http://www.nando.net) -
- U.S. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott struck out Saturday at those who
- would limit the right of Americans to bear arms, telling diners at the
- National Rifle Association annual banquet "you are the mainstream of
- America."
-
- "The rights of the American people are not negotiable," Lott said. "The Bill
- of Rights is a package deal...You don't get to pick and choose...you get
- the whole deal," the Mississippi Republican assured the several hundred
- NRA members who swapped their T-shirts for jacket and ties to the
- dinner.
-
- "You are the mainstream of America," he told the gathering, adding that
- those who doubted it "just reveal how far out of the mainstream they
- really are."
-
- Lott warned that if the NRA lets Washington gut the Second Amendment
- that guarantees Americans the right to keep and bear arms, "we might as
- well fold up the flag and meltdown the Liberty Bell."
-
- Earlier on Saturday, Academy Award winning actor Charlton Heston,
- who portrayed Moses in the classic "Ten Commandments," told the
- delegates that if elected president of the 3.5 million-member pro-gun
- group, he would lead it back "to the mainstream."
-
- Heston, who is expected to be inducted as president of the group on
- Monday, said that in the future he would only support pro-gun
- candidates.
-
- Then in remarks directed at President Bill Clinton, who successfully
- banned the manufacture and importation of several types of assault
- weapons, Heston said:
-
- "Mr. Clinton, sir. Americans didn't trust you with our health care systems
- and Americans didn't trust you with gays in the military and we don't
- trust you with our 21-year-old daughters. We sure Lord don't trust you
- with our guns."
-
- Most of the 50,000 NRA members attending the 127th national convention
- looked as though they had travelled in from Main Street, America. There
- were plenty of grandfatherly looking men with baseball caps and
- potbellies and families strolling the aisles of the exhibition hall at the
- Convention Centre in Philadelphia.
-
- It could almost be a county fair, except for the rows of guns, rifles,
- ammunition and accessories lining the walls.
-
- Adolescents lined up at rifle maker Winchester's booth to pay $2 to play
- "Total Recoil." The contestant holds an electronic rifle to shoot images of
- birds and animals.
-
- Their parents were busy looking over the new lines of rifles.
-
- At the nearby Colt booth, enthusiasts could heft various types of
- revolvers and semi-automatic pistols made by the company whose
- weapons are credited with winning the American West.
-
- "We're just a group of people who are willing to fight for our freedom.
- Freedom to own a firearms for the purpose that the Founding Fathers
- wrote into the Constitution," explained Teddy Jones, 69, of Torrance,
- California, who was attending the convention with his wife of 22 years,
- Judith. Both are NRA members, as are their son and 6-year-old
- grandson.
-
- Judith Reuhl, 56, of Cincinnati, Ohio, waited outside the hall surrounded
- by packages as she waited for her husband, John, an NRA member.
-
- "I'm not a member, but I do shoot skeet with him. My son and my
- son-in-law and my brother-in-law are members," she said. One package
- contained information from the NRA's Eddie Eagle Gun Safety Program
- for children.
-
- "I'm bringing that back for my six-and-a-half year old grandson, Alex.
- He's getting to that age," she added.
-
- By LESLIE GEVIRTZ, Reuters
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:47:43 -0700
- From: DAVID SAGERS <dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us>
- Subject: Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation -Forwarded
-
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- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:49:09 -0700
- From: DAVID SAGERS <dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us>
- To: dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us
- Subject: Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation
-
- Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation
-
- What an honor it is to address the Free Congress Foundation. At a
- glance "Free" reads as a verb rather than an adjective. "Free Congress."
- Not a bad directive for Mr. Clinton. Anyway.
-
- I like it when the party of Lincoln honors our free heritage. This nation
- has been blessed by the minds and mettle of many good people, and
- indeed Abe was among the best. A man of great moral character#a trait
- often lacking among our leaders. This is disturbing, but not without
- remedy. One good election can correct such ills.
-
- Above all, I hope those of us gathered here tonight have more in common
- with Mr. Lincoln than just party affiliation. Better than we grasp a
- common vision that simply wear the cloak. Even our President pretends
- to be a conservative when it suits him. We must be more than that.
-
- I know it#s not easy. Imagine being point man for the National Rifle
- Association, preserving the right to keep and bear arms. I ran for office, I
- was elected, and now I serve#as a moving target for pundits who#ve
- called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured,
- senile and crazy old man."
-
- Maybe that comes with the territory. But as I have stood in the
- crosshairs of those who aim at Second Amendment freedom, I have
- realized that guns are not the only issue, and I am not the only target. It is
- much, much bigger than that # which is what I want to talk to you about
- today.
-
- I have come to realize that a cultural war raging across our land storming
- our values, assaulting our freedoms, killing our self-confidence in who
- we are a what we believe.
-
- How many of you own a gun? A show of hands maybe?
-
- How many own two or more guns?
-
- Thank you. I wonder how many of you own guns but chose not to raise
- your hand? How many of you considered revealing your conviction
- about a constitutional right, but then thought better of it?
-
- Then you are a victim of the cultural war.. You are a casualty of the
- cultural warfare being waged against traditional American freedom of
- beliefs and ideas. Now maybe you don#t care one way or the other about
- owning a gun. But I could#ve asked for a show of hands of Pentecostal
- Christians, or pro-lifers, or right-to-workers, or Promise Keepers, or
- school vouchers-ers, and the result would be the same. What if the
- same question were asked at your PTA meeting? Would you raise your
- hand if Dan Rather were in the back of the room with a film crew?
-
- See? You have been assaulted and robbed of the courage of your
- convictions. Your pride in who you are, and what you believe, has been
- ridiculed, ransacked and plundered. It may be a war without bullet or
- bloodshed, but with just as much liberty lost: You and your country are
- less free.
-
- And you are not inconsequential people! You in this room, whom many
- would say are among the most powerful people on earth, you are
- shamed into silence! Because you choose to own guns # affirmed by no
- less than the Bill of Rights. But you embrace a view at odds with the
- cultural warlords.. If that is the outcome of cultural war, and you are
- victims, I can only ask the gravely obvious question: What#ll become of
- the right itself? Or other rights not deemed acceptable by the thought
- police? What other truth in your heart will you disavow with your hand?
-
- I remember when European Jews feared to admit their faith. The Nazis
- forced them to wear yellow stars as identity badges. It worked. So #
- what color star will the pin on gun owners# chests? How ill the
- self-styled elite tag us? There may not be a Gestapo officer on every
- street corner, but the influence on our culture is just as pervasive.
-
- Now, I am not really here to talk about the Second Amendment of the
- NRA, but the gun issue clearly brings into focus the warfare that#s going
- on. Rank-and-file Americans wake up every morning, increasingly
- bewildered and confused at why their views make them lesser citizens.
- After enough breakfast-table TV hyping tattooed sex-slaves on the next
- Rikki Lake, enough gun-glutted movies and tabloid shows, enough
- revisionist history books and prime-time ridicule of religion, enough of the
- TV anchor who cocks her head, clucks her tongue and sighs about guns
- causing crime and finally the message gets through: Heaven help the
- God-fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle class, Protestant, or even
- worse admitted heterosexual, gun-owning or even worse
- NRA-card-carrying, average working stiff, or even worse male working
- stiff, because not only don#t you count, you#re a downright obstacle to
- social progress. Your tax dollars may be just as delightfully green as you
- hand them over, but your voice deserves a lower decibel level, your
- opinion is less enlightened, your media access is insignificant, and
- frankly mister, you need to wake up, wise up and learn a little something
- about your new America#and until you do, would you mind shutting up?
-
-
- That#s why you didn#t raise your hand. That#s how cultural war works.
- And you are losing.
-
- That#s what happens when a generation of media, educators,
- entertainers and politicians, led by a willing president, decide the America
- they were born into isn#t good enough any more. So they contrive to
- change it through the cultural warfare of class distinction. Ask the
- Romans if powerful nations have ever fallen as a result of cultural
- division. There are ruins around the world that were once the smug
- centers of small-minded, arrogant elitism. It appears that rather than
- evaporate in the flash of a split atom, we may succumb to a divided
- culture.
-
- Although my years are long, I was not on hand to help pen the Bill of
- Rights. And popular assumptions aside, the same goes for the Ten
- Commandments. Yet as an American and as a man who believes in
- God#s almighty presence, I treasure both.
-
- The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of wise old
- dead white guys who invented our country. Now some flinch when I say
- that. Why? It#s true#they were white guys. So were most of the guys
- that died in Lincoln#s name opposing slavery in the 1860s. So why should
- I be ashamed of white guys? Why is "Hispanic pride" or "black pride" a
- good thing, while "white pride" conjures shaved heads and while hoods?
- Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated as progress,
- while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with
- suspicion and ridicule? I#ll tell you why: Cultural warfare.
-
- Now, Chuck Heston can get away with saying I#m proud of those wise
- old dead white guys because Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan know
- I fought in their cultural war. I was one of the first white soldiers in the
- civil rights movement, long before it was fashionable. In 1963 I marched
- on Washington with Dr. Martin Luther King to uphold the Bill of Rights. As
- vice-president of the NRA I am doing the same thing.
-
- But you don#t see many other Hollywood luminaries speaking out on this,
- do you? It#s not because there aren#t any. It#s because they can#t afford
- the heat. They dare not speak up for fear of CNN or the IRS or SAG or
- ATF or NBC or even W-J-C. It spas the strength of our country when the
- personal price is simply too high to stand up for what you believe in.
- Today, speaking with the courage of your conviction can be so costly,
- the price of principle can be so high, that legislators won#t lead and
- citizens can#t follow, and so there is no army to fight back. That#s cultural
- warfare.
-
- For instance: It#s plain that our Constitution guarantees law-abiding
- citizens the right to own a firearm. But if I stand up and say so, why is
- the media assault on me such a slashing, sinister brand of derision filled
- with hate?
-
- Because Bill Clinton#s cultural warriors want a penitent cleansing of
- firearms, as if millions of lawful gun owners should genuflect in shame
- and seek absolution by surrendering their guns. That#s what is now
- literally underway in England and Australia. Line of submissive citizens,
- threatened with imprisonment, are bitterly surrendering family heirlooms,
- guns that won their freedom, to the blast furnace. If that fact does not
- unsettle you, then you are already anesthetized, a ready victim of the
- cultural war.
-
- You know that I stand first in line in defense for free speech. But those
- who speak against the perverted and profane should be given as much
- due as those who profit by it. You also know I welcome cultural
- diversity. But those who choose to live on the fringe should not tear
- apart the seams that secure the fabric of our society.
-
- I#ve earned a fine and rewarding living in the motion picture industry, yet
- increasingly I find myself embarrassed by the dearth of conscience that
- drives the world#s most influential artform. And I am an example of what
- a lonely undertaking it can be.
-
- Nobody opposed the obscene rapper Ice-T until I stood at Time-Warner#s
- stockholders meeting and was ridiculed by its president for wanting to
- take the floor to read Ice-T#s lyrics. Since I held several hundred shares
- of stock he had no choice, though the media were barred. I read those
- lyrics to a stunned audience of average American people#shocked at
- lyrics that advocating killing cops, sexually abusing women, and raping
- the nieces of our Vice-President. The good guys won that time:
- Time-Warner fired Ice-T.
-
- The gay and lesbian movement is another good example. Many
- homosexuals are hugely talented artists and executives#also dear
- friends. I don#t despise their lifestyle, though I don#t share it. As long as
- gay and lesbian Americans are as productive, law-abiding and private as
- the rest of us, I think America owes them absolute tolerance. It#s the right
- thing to do.
-
- On the other hand, I find my blood pressure rising when Clinton#s cultural
- shock troops participate in gay-rights fundraisers but boycott gun-rights
- fundraisers#and then claim it#s time to place homosexual men in tents
- with Boy Scouts, and suggest that sperm donor babies born into lesbian
- relationships are somehow better served and more loved.
-
- Such demands have nothing to do with equality. They#re about the
- currency of cultural war # money and votes # and the Clinton camp will
- let anyone in the tent if there#s a donkey on the hat, a check in the mail or
- some yen in the fortune cookie.
-
- Mainstream America is counting on you to draw your sword and fight for
- them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle
- misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual
- coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for women to
- hat men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek
- preference with the other, and all the New-Age apologists for juvenile
- crime, who see roving gangs as a means of youthful expression, sex as
- a means of adolescent merchandizing, violence as a form of
- entertainment for impressionable minds, and gun bans as a means to
- lord-knows-what. We have reached that point in time when our national
- social policy originates on Oprah. I say it#s time to pull the plug.
-
- Americans should not have to go to war every morning for their values.
- They already go to war for their families. They fight to hold down a job,
- raise responsible kids, make their payments, keep gas in the car, put
- food on the table and clothes on their backs, and still save a little to live
- their final days in dignity. They prefer the America they built # where you
- could pray without feeling na#ve, love without being kinky, sing without
- profanity, be white without feeling guilty, own a gun without shame, and
- raise you hand without apology. They are the critical masses who find
- themselves under siege and long for you to get some guts, stand on
- principle and lead them to victory in this cultural war.
-
- Now if this all sounds a little Mosaic, the punchline of my sermon is as
- elementary as the Golden Rule: In a cultural war, triumph belongs to
- those who arm themselves with pride in who they are and then do the
- right thing. Not the most expedient thing, not what#ll sell, not the politically
- correct thing, but the right thing.
-
- And you know what? Everybody already knows what the right thing is.
- You, and I, and President Clinton, even Ice-T, we all know. It#s easy. You
- say wait a minute, you take a long look in the mirror, then into the eyes of
- your kids or grandkids, and you#ll know what#s right.
-
- Don#t run for cover when the cultural cannons roar. Remember who you
- are and what you believe, and then raise you hand, stand up, and speak
- out. Don#t be shamed or startled into lockstep conformity by seemingly
- powerful people. The maintenance of a free nation is a long, slow,
- steady process. And it#s in your hands.
-
- Yes, we can have rules and still have rebels # that#s democracy. But as
- leaders you must do as Lincoln would do, confronted with the stench of
- cultural war: Do what#s right. As Mr. Lincoln said, "With firmness in the
- right, as God gives us to see the right, let us finish the work we are
- in#and then we shall save our country."
-
- Defeat the criminals and their apologists, oust the biased and bigoted,
- endure the undisciplined and unprincipled, but disavow the
- self-appointed social engineers whose relentless arrogance fuels this
- vicious war against so much we hold so dear. Do not yield, do not divide,
- do not call truce. Be fair, but fight back.
-
- It#s the same blueprint our founding fathers left to guide us. Our enemies
- see it as the senile prattle of an archaic society. I still honor it as the
- United States Constitution, and that timeless document we call the Bill of
- Rights.
-
- Freedom is our fortune and honor is our saving grace.
-
- Thank you.
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Old Post, But A Harbinger of *DOOM*!!!
-
- - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:50:14 -0400
- From: "John A. Quayle" <blueoval@sgi.net>
- To: liberty-and-justice@pobox.com
- Subject: Old Post, But A Harbinger of *DOOM*!!!
-
- HOUSE TO STEP-UP ASSET FORFEITURE
-
- HR1965 --- a new asset-forfeiture bill --- has passed out of the
- U.S. House Judiciary Committee and may be headed on the fast track
- through Congress. We have examined the bill, and it is a nasty
- piece of work.
-
- If you are in business, it allows the federal government to seize
- your inventory and assets on the flimsiest of evidence. Even if the
- original warrant is struck down by a court, the government would be
- given additional time for "discovery" to examine business records
- and build a case to continue holding the assets!
-
- This bill masquerades under the guise of providing "a more just and
- uniform procedure for Federal civil forfeitures, and other purposes."
-
- As with the IRS, it puts the burden of proof on the defendant, puts
- the burden of establishing what constitutes "excessive fines (8th
- Amendment) on the defendant, provides for seizure without a warrant
- by the Attorney General, Treasury (BATF), and Postal Service under
- a variety of conditions. It allows seized assets to go to crime
- victims --- and regulatory agencies. And it allows seizures by the
- Food and Drug Administration for violations of regulatory bureaucracy!
- Since agencies like the FDA write their own rules, almost anything
- you can think of can become a "violation of regulatory" standards.
-
- We suggest that you let others know about this --- and your elected
- representatives --- while there is still time. The bill runs about
- 25 pages and may be obtained from the congressional website.
- ###
- COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus, unless otherwise noted.
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Stallone on Guns in America
-
- - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:04 -0700
- From: Liberty or Death <ghostpwr@earthlink.net>
- To: roc@xmission.com, ignition-point@pobox.com,
- liberty-and-justice@pobox.com, fratrum@netside.com, garden@netside.com
- Subject: Stallone on Guns in America
-
- QUOTE BY SYLVESTER STALLONE ABOUT GUNS
-
- MRC
- 6/12
-
- The only way to make America safe: go house to house and confiscate
- every gun. Reacting to the shooting death of Phil Hartman, actor
- Sylvester Stallone who is best known for glamorizing in his Rambo
- films military weapons not even the NRA wants legal, urged the repeal
- of the 2nd amendment.
-
- MRC entertainment analyst Tom Johnson transcribed his ranting from a
- June 8 segment on Access Hollywood, the show carried by NBC-owned
- stations and syndicated to other markets.
-
- Stallone conceded, "I know we use guns in films," but insisted the
- time has come "to be a little more accountable and realize that this
- is an escalating problem that's eventually going to lead to, I think,
- urban warfare."
-
- Access Hollywood then showed a clip from a comment he made in London
- a few weeks ago: "Until America, door to door, takes every handgun,
- this is what you're gonna have. It's pathetic. It really is pathetic.
- It's sad. We're living in the Dark Ages over there."
-
- "Over there"? Yes, the man who wants to control what Americans have
- in their homes is now living in England. Back to Stallone's interview
- with the show, he demanded that the 2nd amendment be abandoned: "It
- has to be stopped, and someone really has to go on the line, a certain
- dauntless political figure, and say, `It's ending, it's over, all bets
- are off. It's not 200 years ago, we don't need this anymore, and the
- rest of the world doesn't have it. Why should we?'"
-
- - - Monte
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit."
- - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika"
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Stallone on Guns in America
-
- - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:04 -0700
- From: Liberty or Death <ghostpwr@earthlink.net>
- To: roc@xmission.com, ignition-point@pobox.com,
- liberty-and-justice@pobox.com, fratrum@netside.com, garden@netside.com
- Subject: Stallone on Guns in America
-
- QUOTE BY SYLVESTER STALLONE ABOUT GUNS
-
- MRC
- 6/12
-
- The only way to make America safe: go house to house and confiscate
- every gun. Reacting to the shooting death of Phil Hartman, actor
- Sylvester Stallone who is best known for glamorizing in his Rambo
- films military weapons not even the NRA wants legal, urged the repeal
- of the 2nd amendment.
-
- MRC entertainment analyst Tom Johnson transcribed his ranting from a
- June 8 segment on Access Hollywood, the show carried by NBC-owned
- stations and syndicated to other markets.
-
- Stallone conceded, "I know we use guns in films," but insisted the
- time has come "to be a little more accountable and realize that this
- is an escalating problem that's eventually going to lead to, I think,
- urban warfare."
-
- Access Hollywood then showed a clip from a comment he made in London
- a few weeks ago: "Until America, door to door, takes every handgun,
- this is what you're gonna have. It's pathetic. It really is pathetic.
- It's sad. We're living in the Dark Ages over there."
-
- "Over there"? Yes, the man who wants to control what Americans have
- in their homes is now living in England. Back to Stallone's interview
- with the show, he demanded that the 2nd amendment be abandoned: "It
- has to be stopped, and someone really has to go on the line, a certain
- dauntless political figure, and say, `It's ending, it's over, all bets
- are off. It's not 200 years ago, we don't need this anymore, and the
- rest of the world doesn't have it. Why should we?'"
-
- - - Monte
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit."
- - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika"
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:27:56 -0700
- From: DAVID SAGERS <dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us>
- Subject: Oregon school yard shooting -Forwarded
-
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- To: Multiple recipients of list <noban@mainstream.net>
- Subject: Oregon school yard shooting
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-
- Purloined from another list;
- - -------------------
-
- >From: "Sun Tzu's Firearms Advisory" <suntzu75@ccnet.com>
- >Subject: Oregon family: "Gun Control!" ... "screw that"
- >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:07:55 -0700 (PDT)
- >MIME-Version: 1.0
- >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
- >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
- >
- >Oregon family: "Gun Control!" ... "screw that"
- >by Sun Tzu's Newswire Staff
- >Sun Tzu's Newswire //STN98022//
- >San Diego -- June 10, 1998 9:58 AM Pacific Time
-
- >Apparently Handgun Control, Inc. and the Children of Hitler did not
- >win many converts following the school shootings by Kip Kinkel in
- >Oregon. News of this broke during the annual meeting of the U.S.
- >National Rifle Association in Philadelphia, where actor Charlton
- >Heston was elected president of the gun rights group.
- >
- >Washington Post reported on this development on Monday.
- >
- >The Post wrote; "There is no advertisement yet featuring
- >Jacob Ryker, the 17-year-old wrestler at Thurston High School in
- >Springfield, Ore., who was able to end the shooting rampage there
- >by tackling teenage gunman Kip Kinkel even though he had been
- >wounded in the chest and hand. But Ryker, his brother and parents,
- >who belong to the NRA, were featured guests here all weekend.
- >
- >"The media expected these torn-up parents to cry, 'Gun control!' but
- >screw that," said Rob Ryker, Jacob's father, a Navy deepsea diver.
- >"Whoever thinks this was a gun issue alone, they don't have the big
- >picture."
- >
- >Heston, similarly, pulled no punches in his first day as president.
- >Referring to the Second Amendment, he said, "Those wise old dead white
- >guys who invented this country knew what they were talking about."
- >
- >Of his loner status as a Hollywood gun enthusiast, he said: "I suspect
- >there are as many gun users in the Hollywood closet as there are
- >homosexuals."; the Washington Post reported.
- >
- >Hollywood insider Heston has made similar references while being heard
- >on the Rush Limbaugh radio talk show. He told guest host Tony Snow that
- >there are as many closet conservatives in Hollywood as there closet
- >homosexuals.
- >
- >The "Children of Hitler" refers to the lobby imitating Nazi dictator
- >Adolf Hitler whose government specifically outlawed firearms ownership
- >by Jews and Gypsies, and extended the prohibition to the people of all
- >occupied territories, including Germans not trusted by Nazi leaders.
- >
- >Reliable U.S. sources with military connections say it is too early to
- >tell if the Clinton administration will try to silence Rob Ryker,
- >because of his affiliation with the U.S. Navy.
- >
- >SOURCES:
- >(1) "New Voice Of the NRA Sounds Familiar"
- >By Dale Russakoff, Washington Post Staff Writer
- >Tuesday, June 9, 1998; Page A06
- >=A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company
- >(2) Rush Limbaugh radio show
- >(3) "Gun Control": Gateway to Tyranny, 1992, Jay Simkin and Aaron Zelman,
- >available from Amazon.com
- >
- >---- @
- >
- >Sun Tzu's Newswire Online Index at URL:
- > http://www.ccnet.com/~suntzu75/pirn.htm
- >
- > Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.
- > A. J. Liebling, The Wayward Press
-
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Stallone on Guns in America
-
- - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:04 -0700
- From: Liberty or Death <ghostpwr@earthlink.net>
- To: roc@xmission.com, ignition-point@pobox.com,
- liberty-and-justice@pobox.com, fratrum@netside.com, garden@netside.com
- Subject: Stallone on Guns in America
-
- QUOTE BY SYLVESTER STALLONE ABOUT GUNS
-
- MRC
- 6/12
-
- The only way to make America safe: go house to house and confiscate
- every gun. Reacting to the shooting death of Phil Hartman, actor
- Sylvester Stallone who is best known for glamorizing in his Rambo
- films military weapons not even the NRA wants legal, urged the repeal
- of the 2nd amendment.
-
- MRC entertainment analyst Tom Johnson transcribed his ranting from a
- June 8 segment on Access Hollywood, the show carried by NBC-owned
- stations and syndicated to other markets.
-
- Stallone conceded, "I know we use guns in films," but insisted the
- time has come "to be a little more accountable and realize that this
- is an escalating problem that's eventually going to lead to, I think,
- urban warfare."
-
- Access Hollywood then showed a clip from a comment he made in London
- a few weeks ago: "Until America, door to door, takes every handgun,
- this is what you're gonna have. It's pathetic. It really is pathetic.
- It's sad. We're living in the Dark Ages over there."
-
- "Over there"? Yes, the man who wants to control what Americans have
- in their homes is now living in England. Back to Stallone's interview
- with the show, he demanded that the 2nd amendment be abandoned: "It
- has to be stopped, and someone really has to go on the line, a certain
- dauntless political figure, and say, `It's ending, it's over, all bets
- are off. It's not 200 years ago, we don't need this anymore, and the
- rest of the world doesn't have it. Why should we?'"
-
- - - Monte
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit."
- - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika"
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
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