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utah-firearms-digest       Sunday, June 14 1998       Volume 02 : Number 072




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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 07:32:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Third Glock from the Sun?

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Subject: "Third Glock from the Sun?"

Just forwarded to me in email. Funny! -- Neil

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June 11, 1998

A Show That Says Yes to Firepower

By GARY KRIST

"In Hollywood . . . there are more gun
owners in the closet than homosexuals."

- -- Charlton Heston, new president of the National Rifle Association.

In an announcement that took Hollywood insiders by surprise,
Helen LaCorcia, star of the hit ABC sitcom "Helen," admitted
today that she has for many years secretly been the owner of
a handgun.

"It's time to come clean," Ms. LaCorcia said, patting a holster
strapped stylishly under her left shoulder. "If Hollywood and
the rest of America can't accept me for what I am, it's their
problem, not mine."

Ms. LaCorcia, appearing at a hastily called press conference,
then drew her Sig Sauer 9-millimeter semiautomatic and brandished
it in front of the cameras. "And yes, it's loaded," she said.
"Deal with it."

Later, in an unscheduled appearance on "Oprah," Ms. LaCorcia
elaborated on her revelation. "Hollywood has been hypocritical
on this issue for years," she said. "Everyone knows that the
industry is full of weapons enthusiasts, but no one wants to
admit it. They're all afraid that nobody will cast them if word
gets around that they're packing heat."

Asked if her eponymous television character will also be coming
out as a gun owner, the gamine comedian said: "Absolutely. In
fact, we've already scripted an episode in which Helen meets
someone -- someone special -- who takes her to a firing range
and persuades her to fire off a couple practice rounds. She's
converted immediately."

Ms. LaCorcia then added, "We're hoping to get Quentin Tarantino
for the part."

Across the nation, gun industry analysts were quick to hail the
announcement as a milestone. "Sure, we've had plenty of sitcoms
with pistol-toting sidekicks and best friends," said Graydon
Menaker, media critic for Guns & Ammo magazine. "But this is
the first time we'll be seeing a fully armed major character
in a top-rated comedy series. It's historic."

Some television executives were more cautious. "The audience for
shows like 'Helen' tends to be a lot more pacifist than we realize,"
said Les Goreham, the vice president for product placement at CBS.
"Our friends at ABC are in uncharted waters here."

Lobbyists and representatives of gun-control organizations
responded to the announcement with derision. "These are supposed
to be family shows," complained Adelaide Tift of Americans Against
the Propagation of Firearms. "Next we'll have the Nanny toting
a .22-caliber Beretta. Or Frasier with an Uzi in his briefcase.
And where will it end? 'Third Glock From the Sun'?"

The real test of Ms. LaCorcia's decision, however, will come
from regular watchers of "Helen," and at least some of them
were cheering her courage. "I'm proud of her," said Malia, a
self-described munitions performance artist from New York.
"It's about time someone stood up and showed the world that
owning a handgun doesn't make us any different from anyone else.
I had actually lost interest in the show recently, but now I'll
be glued to my set every week."

But other longtime fans were less certain in their reactions.
"I guess I'll still watch it," said Jennifer, a Chicago
native who has been a devotee of the show since its premiere.
"As long as the writers don't get too trigger-happy, you know?
I watch 'Helen' to have a few laughs, not to be lectured at
about the social acceptability of possessing weapons."

Looking suddenly embarrassed, she quickly added,
"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Gary Krist is the author of the novel "Bad Chemistry."

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:45:13 -0700
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June 12, 1998

Chuck Hagel
U.S. Senator
346 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-2706


Dear Senator:

Thank you for your response to my postcard request that you remove your
name from cosponsorship of S.10, the Violent and Repeat Juvenile Offender
Act.  You state that the bill fundamentally reassesses the federal role
in fighting juvenile crime.

I object to your position regarding this bill from two vistas:

1.    Even though I wish to be tough on crime (probably tougher than
        most) I object to the increasing federal presence in this arena.
2.    The bill makes further incursions into infringement of the second
        amendment.

We do not need more federal law to combat crime.  We need rigorous
enforcement of existing law.  Recent federal legislation such as
R.I.C.O., Property Seizure, and the Ex Post Facto provisions of the
Lautenberg Act have set dangerous milestones in possible AND actual
deprivation of liberty.  If the Senate feels it must do something, figure
out how to get tough with the judges and other criminal justice bleeding
hearts.  Define for them that the issue at stake in the criminal justice
milieu is the vindication of the social covenant and NOT rehabilitation
of criminals who have never been "habilitated" in the first place.  We
need to concentrate on the possible and forget the impossible.

You agree that the bill has certain provisions that put new burdens on
legitimate gun owners and that these burdens will be removed as the bill
progresses through the legislative process.  Forgive me a little wheeze
that sounds like hooey.  I would prefer that you remove your name from
cosponsorship until at least these "burdens" are removed.  I have been
around for some years and do not trust the "legislative process" to
protect my rights.  This whole idea is almost and oxymoron.  This concern
should be clear when you consider the defacto gun tax, gun and gun owner
registration that is now in place under the "Insta-Check" law.  Please
remove your name from the S.10 list.

Again, thanks for your response.


Cordially,


Larry Ball





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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:47:34 -0700
From: DAVID SAGERS <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America' -Forwarded

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Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America'

Copyright # 1998 Nando.net
Copyright # 1998 Reuters News Service

PHILADELPHIA (June 6, 1998 11:44 p.m. EDT http://www.nando.net) -
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott struck out Saturday at those who
would limit the right of Americans to bear arms, telling diners at the
National Rifle Association annual banquet "you are the mainstream of
America."

"The rights of the American people are not negotiable," Lott said. "The Bill
of Rights is a package deal...You don't get to pick and choose...you get
the whole deal," the Mississippi Republican assured the several hundred
NRA members who swapped their T-shirts for jacket and ties to the
dinner.

"You are the mainstream of America," he told the gathering, adding that
those who doubted it "just reveal how far out of the mainstream they
really are."

Lott warned that if the NRA lets Washington gut the Second Amendment
that guarantees Americans the right to keep and bear arms, "we might as
well fold up the flag and meltdown the Liberty Bell."

Earlier on Saturday, Academy Award winning actor Charlton Heston,
who portrayed Moses in the classic "Ten Commandments," told the
delegates that if elected president of the 3.5 million-member pro-gun
group, he would lead it back "to the mainstream."

Heston, who is expected to be inducted as president of the group on
Monday, said that in the future he would only support pro-gun
candidates.

Then in remarks directed at President Bill Clinton, who successfully
banned the manufacture and importation of several types of assault
weapons, Heston said:

"Mr. Clinton, sir. Americans didn't trust you with our health care systems
and Americans didn't trust you with gays in the military and we don't
trust you with our 21-year-old daughters. We sure Lord don't trust you
with our guns."

Most of the 50,000 NRA members attending the 127th national convention
looked as though they had travelled in from Main Street, America. There
were plenty of grandfatherly looking men with baseball caps and
potbellies and families strolling the aisles of the exhibition hall at the
Convention Centre in Philadelphia.

It could almost be a county fair, except for the rows of guns, rifles,
ammunition and accessories lining the walls.

Adolescents lined up at rifle maker Winchester's booth to pay $2 to play
"Total Recoil." The contestant holds an electronic rifle to shoot images of
birds and animals.

Their parents were busy looking over the new lines of rifles.

At the nearby Colt booth, enthusiasts could heft various types of
revolvers and semi-automatic pistols made by the company whose
weapons are credited with winning the American West.

"We're just a group of people who are willing to fight for our freedom.
Freedom to own a firearms for the purpose that the Founding Fathers
wrote into the Constitution," explained Teddy Jones, 69, of Torrance,
California, who was attending the convention with his wife of 22 years,
Judith. Both are NRA members, as are their son and 6-year-old
grandson.

Judith Reuhl, 56, of Cincinnati, Ohio, waited outside the hall surrounded
by packages as she waited for her husband, John, an NRA member.

"I'm not a member, but I do shoot skeet with him. My son and my
son-in-law and my brother-in-law are members," she said. One package
contained information from the NRA's Eddie Eagle Gun Safety Program
for children.

"I'm bringing that back for my six-and-a-half year old grandson, Alex.
He's getting to that age," she added.

By LESLIE GEVIRTZ, Reuters



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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:47:43 -0700
From: DAVID SAGERS <[e-mail]>
Subject: Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation -Forwarded

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Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation

What an honor it is to address the Free Congress Foundation. At a
glance "Free" reads as a verb rather than an adjective. "Free Congress."
Not a bad directive for Mr. Clinton. Anyway.

I like it when the party of Lincoln honors our free heritage. This nation
has been blessed by the minds and mettle of many good people, and
indeed Abe was among the best. A man of great moral character#a trait
often lacking among our leaders. This is disturbing, but not without
remedy. One good election can correct such ills.

Above all, I hope those of us gathered here tonight have more in common
with Mr. Lincoln than just party affiliation. Better than we grasp a
common vision that simply wear the cloak. Even our President pretends
to be a conservative when it suits him. We must be more than that.

I know it#s not easy. Imagine being point man for the National Rifle
Association, preserving the right to keep and bear arms. I ran for office, I
was elected, and now I serve#as a moving target for pundits who#ve
called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured,
senile and crazy old man."

Maybe that comes with the territory. But as I have stood in the
crosshairs of those who aim at Second Amendment freedom, I have
realized that guns are not the only issue, and I am not the only target. It is
much, much bigger than that # which is what I want to talk to you about
today.

I have come to realize that a cultural war raging across our land storming
our values, assaulting our freedoms, killing our self-confidence in who
we are a what we believe.

How many of you own a gun? A show of hands maybe?

How many own two or more guns?

Thank you. I wonder how many of you own guns but chose not to raise
your hand? How many of you considered revealing your conviction
about a constitutional right, but then thought better of it?

Then you are a victim of the cultural war.. You are a casualty of the
cultural warfare being waged against traditional American freedom of
beliefs and ideas. Now maybe you don#t care one way or the other about
owning a gun. But I could#ve asked for a show of hands of Pentecostal
Christians, or pro-lifers, or right-to-workers, or Promise Keepers, or
school vouchers-ers, and the result would be the same. What if the
same question were asked at your PTA meeting? Would you raise your
hand if Dan Rather were in the back of the room with a film crew?

See? You have been assaulted and robbed of the courage of your
convictions. Your pride in who you are, and what you believe, has been
ridiculed, ransacked and plundered. It may be a war without bullet or
bloodshed, but with just as much liberty lost: You and your country are
less free.

And you are not inconsequential people! You in this room, whom many
would say are among the most powerful people on earth, you are
shamed into silence! Because you choose to own guns # affirmed by no
less than the Bill of Rights. But you embrace a view at odds with the
cultural warlords.. If that is the outcome of cultural war, and you are
victims, I can only ask the gravely obvious question: What#ll become of
the right itself? Or other rights not deemed acceptable by the thought
police? What other truth in your heart will you disavow with your hand?

I remember when European Jews feared to admit their faith. The Nazis
forced them to wear yellow stars as identity badges. It worked. So #
what color star will the pin on gun owners# chests? How ill the
self-styled elite tag us? There may not be a Gestapo officer on every
street corner, but the influence on our culture is just as pervasive.

Now, I am not really here to talk about the Second Amendment of the
NRA, but the gun issue clearly brings into focus the warfare that#s going
on. Rank-and-file Americans wake up every morning, increasingly
bewildered and confused at why their views make them lesser citizens.
After enough breakfast-table TV hyping tattooed sex-slaves on the next
Rikki Lake, enough gun-glutted movies and tabloid shows, enough
revisionist history books and prime-time ridicule of religion, enough of the
TV anchor who cocks her head, clucks her tongue and sighs about guns
causing crime and finally the message gets through: Heaven help the
God-fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle class, Protestant, or even
worse admitted heterosexual, gun-owning or even worse
NRA-card-carrying, average working stiff, or even worse male working
stiff, because not only don#t you count, you#re a downright obstacle to
social progress. Your tax dollars may be just as delightfully green as you
hand them over, but your voice deserves a lower decibel level, your
opinion is less enlightened, your media access is insignificant, and
frankly mister, you need to wake up, wise up and learn a little something
about your new America#and until you do, would you mind shutting up?


That#s why you didn#t raise your hand. That#s how cultural war works.
And you are losing.

That#s what happens when a generation of media, educators,
entertainers and politicians, led by a willing president, decide the America
they were born into isn#t good enough any more. So they contrive to
change it through the cultural warfare of class distinction. Ask the
Romans if powerful nations have ever fallen as a result of cultural
division. There are ruins around the world that were once the smug
centers of small-minded, arrogant elitism. It appears that rather than
evaporate in the flash of a split atom, we may succumb to a divided
culture.

Although my years are long, I was not on hand to help pen the Bill of
Rights. And popular assumptions aside, the same goes for the Ten
Commandments. Yet as an American and as a man who believes in
God#s almighty presence, I treasure both.

The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of wise old
dead white guys who invented our country. Now some flinch when I say
that. Why? It#s true#they were white guys. So were most of the guys
that died in Lincoln#s name opposing slavery in the 1860s. So why should
I be ashamed of white guys? Why is "Hispanic pride" or "black pride" a
good thing, while "white pride" conjures shaved heads and while hoods?
Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated as progress,
while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with
suspicion and ridicule? I#ll tell you why: Cultural warfare.

Now, Chuck Heston can get away with saying I#m proud of those wise
old dead white guys because Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan know
I fought in their cultural war. I was one of the first white soldiers in the
civil rights movement, long before it was fashionable. In 1963 I marched
on Washington with Dr. Martin Luther King to uphold the Bill of Rights. As
vice-president of the NRA I am doing the same thing.

But you don#t see many other Hollywood luminaries speaking out on this,
do you? It#s not because there aren#t any. It#s because they can#t afford
the heat. They dare not speak up for fear of CNN or the IRS or SAG or
ATF or NBC or even W-J-C. It spas the strength of our country when the
personal price is simply too high to stand up for what you believe in.
Today, speaking with the courage of your conviction can be so costly,
the price of principle can be so high, that legislators won#t lead and
citizens can#t follow, and so there is no army to fight back. That#s cultural
warfare.

For instance: It#s plain that our Constitution guarantees law-abiding
citizens the right to own a firearm. But if I stand up and say so, why is
the media assault on me such a slashing, sinister brand of derision filled
with hate?

Because Bill Clinton#s cultural warriors want a penitent cleansing of
firearms, as if millions of lawful gun owners should genuflect in shame
and seek absolution by surrendering their guns. That#s what is now
literally underway in England and Australia. Line of submissive citizens,
threatened with imprisonment, are bitterly surrendering family heirlooms,
guns that won their freedom, to the blast furnace. If that fact does not
unsettle you, then you are already anesthetized, a ready victim of the
cultural war.

You know that I stand first in line in defense for free speech. But those
who speak against the perverted and profane should be given as much
due as those who profit by it. You also know I welcome cultural
diversity. But those who choose to live on the fringe should not tear
apart the seams that secure the fabric of our society.

I#ve earned a fine and rewarding living in the motion picture industry, yet
increasingly I find myself embarrassed by the dearth of conscience that
drives the world#s most influential artform. And I am an example of what
a lonely undertaking it can be.

Nobody opposed the obscene rapper Ice-T until I stood at Time-Warner#s
stockholders meeting and was ridiculed by its president for wanting to
take the floor to read Ice-T#s lyrics. Since I held several hundred shares
of stock he had no choice, though the media were barred. I read those
lyrics to a stunned audience of average American people#shocked at
lyrics that advocating killing cops, sexually abusing women, and raping
the nieces of our Vice-President. The good guys won that time:
Time-Warner fired Ice-T.

The gay and lesbian movement is another good example. Many
homosexuals are hugely talented artists and executives#also dear
friends. I don#t despise their lifestyle, though I don#t share it. As long as
gay and lesbian Americans are as productive, law-abiding and private as
the rest of us, I think America owes them absolute tolerance. It#s the right
thing to do.

On the other hand, I find my blood pressure rising when Clinton#s cultural
shock troops participate in gay-rights fundraisers but boycott gun-rights
fundraisers#and then claim it#s time to place homosexual men in tents
with Boy Scouts, and suggest that sperm donor babies born into lesbian
relationships are somehow better served and more loved.

Such demands have nothing to do with equality. They#re about the
currency of cultural war # money and votes # and the Clinton camp will
let anyone in the tent if there#s a donkey on the hat, a check in the mail or
some yen in the fortune cookie.

Mainstream America is counting on you to draw your sword and fight for
them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle
misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual
coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for women to
hat men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek
preference with the other, and all the New-Age apologists for juvenile
crime, who see roving gangs as a means of youthful expression, sex as
a means of adolescent merchandizing, violence as a form of
entertainment for impressionable minds, and gun bans as a means to
lord-knows-what. We have reached that point in time when our national
social policy originates on Oprah. I say it#s time to pull the plug.

Americans should not have to go to war every morning for their values.
They already go to war for their families. They fight to hold down a job,
raise responsible kids, make their payments, keep gas in the car, put
food on the table and clothes on their backs, and still save a little to live
their final days in dignity. They prefer the America they built # where you
could pray without feeling na#ve, love without being kinky, sing without
profanity, be white without feeling guilty, own a gun without shame, and
raise you hand without apology. They are the critical masses who find
themselves under siege and long for you to get some guts, stand on
principle and lead them to victory in this cultural war.

Now if this all sounds a little Mosaic, the punchline of my sermon is as
elementary as the Golden Rule: In a cultural war, triumph belongs to
those who arm themselves with pride in who they are and then do the
right thing. Not the most expedient thing, not what#ll sell, not the politically
correct thing, but the right thing.

And you know what? Everybody already knows what the right thing is.
You, and I, and President Clinton, even Ice-T, we all know. It#s easy. You
say wait a minute, you take a long look in the mirror, then into the eyes of
your kids or grandkids, and you#ll know what#s right.

Don#t run for cover when the cultural cannons roar. Remember who you
are and what you believe, and then raise you hand, stand up, and speak
out. Don#t be shamed or startled into lockstep conformity by seemingly
powerful people. The maintenance of a free nation is a long, slow,
steady process. And it#s in your hands.

Yes, we can have rules and still have rebels # that#s democracy. But as
leaders you must do as Lincoln would do, confronted with the stench of
cultural war: Do what#s right. As Mr. Lincoln said, "With firmness in the
right, as God gives us to see the right, let us finish the work we are
in#and then we shall save our country."

Defeat the criminals and their apologists, oust the biased and bigoted,
endure the undisciplined and unprincipled, but disavow the
self-appointed social engineers whose relentless arrogance fuels this
vicious war against so much we hold so dear. Do not yield, do not divide,
do not call truce. Be fair, but fight back.

It#s the same blueprint our founding fathers left to guide us. Our enemies
see it as the senile prattle of an archaic society. I still honor it as the
United States Constitution, and that timeless document we call the Bill of
Rights.

Freedom is our fortune and honor is our saving grace.

Thank you.



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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Old Post, But A Harbinger of *DOOM*!!!

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Subject: Old Post, But A Harbinger of *DOOM*!!!

HOUSE TO STEP-UP ASSET FORFEITURE

HR1965 --- a new asset-forfeiture bill --- has passed out of the
U.S. House Judiciary Committee and may be headed on the fast track
through Congress. We have examined the bill, and it is a nasty
piece of work.

If you are in business, it allows the federal government to seize
your inventory and assets on the flimsiest of evidence. Even if the
original warrant is struck down by a court, the government would be
given additional time for "discovery" to examine business records
and build a case to continue holding the assets!

This bill masquerades under the guise of providing "a more just and
uniform procedure for Federal civil forfeitures, and other purposes."

As with the IRS, it puts the burden of proof on the defendant, puts
the burden of establishing what constitutes "excessive fines (8th
Amendment) on the defendant, provides for seizure without a warrant
by the Attorney General, Treasury (BATF), and Postal Service under
a variety of conditions. It allows seized assets to go to crime
victims --- and regulatory agencies. And it allows seizures by the
Food and Drug Administration for violations of regulatory bureaucracy!
Since agencies like the FDA write their own rules, almost anything
you can think of can become a "violation of regulatory" standards.

We suggest that you let others know about this --- and your elected
representatives --- while there is still time. The bill runs about
25 pages and may be obtained from the congressional website.
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Stallone on Guns in America

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:04 -0700
From: Liberty or Death <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail],
    [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Stallone on Guns in America

QUOTE BY SYLVESTER STALLONE ABOUT GUNS

MRC
6/12

The only way to make America safe: go house to house and confiscate
every gun. Reacting to the shooting death of Phil Hartman, actor
Sylvester Stallone who is best known for glamorizing in his Rambo
films military weapons not even the NRA wants legal, urged the repeal
of the 2nd amendment.

MRC entertainment analyst Tom Johnson transcribed his ranting from a
June 8 segment on Access Hollywood, the show carried by NBC-owned
stations and syndicated to other markets.

Stallone conceded, "I know we use guns in films," but insisted the
time has come "to be a little more accountable and realize that this
is an escalating problem that's eventually going to lead to, I think,
urban warfare."

Access Hollywood then showed a clip from a comment he made in London
a few weeks ago: "Until America, door to door, takes every handgun,
this is what you're gonna have. It's pathetic. It really is pathetic.
It's sad. We're living in the Dark Ages over there."

"Over there"? Yes, the man who wants to control what Americans have
in their homes is now living in England. Back to Stallone's interview
with the show, he demanded that the 2nd amendment be abandoned: "It
has to be stopped, and someone really has to go on the line, a certain
dauntless political figure, and say, `It's ending, it's over, all bets
are off. It's not 200 years ago, we don't need this anymore, and the
rest of the world doesn't have it. Why should we?'"

- - Monte

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  "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit."
               - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika"
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Stallone on Guns in America

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:04 -0700
From: Liberty or Death <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail],
    [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Stallone on Guns in America

QUOTE BY SYLVESTER STALLONE ABOUT GUNS

MRC
6/12

The only way to make America safe: go house to house and confiscate
every gun. Reacting to the shooting death of Phil Hartman, actor
Sylvester Stallone who is best known for glamorizing in his Rambo
films military weapons not even the NRA wants legal, urged the repeal
of the 2nd amendment.

MRC entertainment analyst Tom Johnson transcribed his ranting from a
June 8 segment on Access Hollywood, the show carried by NBC-owned
stations and syndicated to other markets.

Stallone conceded, "I know we use guns in films," but insisted the
time has come "to be a little more accountable and realize that this
is an escalating problem that's eventually going to lead to, I think,
urban warfare."

Access Hollywood then showed a clip from a comment he made in London
a few weeks ago: "Until America, door to door, takes every handgun,
this is what you're gonna have. It's pathetic. It really is pathetic.
It's sad. We're living in the Dark Ages over there."

"Over there"? Yes, the man who wants to control what Americans have
in their homes is now living in England. Back to Stallone's interview
with the show, he demanded that the 2nd amendment be abandoned: "It
has to be stopped, and someone really has to go on the line, a certain
dauntless political figure, and say, `It's ending, it's over, all bets
are off. It's not 200 years ago, we don't need this anymore, and the
rest of the world doesn't have it. Why should we?'"

- - Monte

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  "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit."
               - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika"
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:27:56 -0700
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>From: "Sun Tzu's Firearms Advisory" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Oregon family: "Gun Control!" ... "screw that"
>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:07:55 -0700 (PDT)
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>Oregon family: "Gun Control!" ... "screw that"
>by Sun Tzu's Newswire Staff
>Sun Tzu's Newswire //STN98022//
>San Diego -- June 10, 1998 9:58 AM Pacific Time

>Apparently Handgun Control, Inc. and the Children of Hitler did not
>win many converts following the school shootings by Kip Kinkel in
>Oregon. News of this broke during the annual meeting of the U.S.
>National Rifle Association in Philadelphia, where actor Charlton
>Heston was elected president of the gun rights group.
>
>Washington Post reported on this development on Monday.
>
>The Post wrote; "There is no advertisement yet featuring
>Jacob Ryker, the 17-year-old wrestler at Thurston High School in
>Springfield, Ore., who was able to end the shooting rampage there
>by tackling teenage gunman Kip Kinkel even though he had been
>wounded in the chest and hand. But Ryker, his brother and parents,
>who belong to the NRA, were featured guests here all weekend.
>
>"The media expected these torn-up parents to cry, 'Gun control!' but
>screw that," said Rob Ryker, Jacob's father, a Navy deepsea diver.
>"Whoever thinks this was a gun issue alone, they don't have the big
>picture."
>
>Heston, similarly, pulled no punches in his first day as president.
>Referring to the Second Amendment, he said, "Those wise old dead white
>guys who invented this country knew what they were talking about."
>
>Of his loner status as a Hollywood gun enthusiast, he said: "I suspect
>there are as many gun users in the Hollywood closet as there are
>homosexuals."; the Washington Post reported.
>
>Hollywood insider Heston has made similar references while being heard
>on the Rush Limbaugh radio talk show. He told guest host Tony Snow that
>there are as many closet conservatives in Hollywood as there closet
>homosexuals.
>
>The "Children of Hitler" refers to the lobby imitating Nazi dictator
>Adolf Hitler whose government specifically outlawed firearms ownership
>by Jews and Gypsies, and extended the prohibition to the people of all
>occupied territories, including Germans not trusted by Nazi leaders.
>
>Reliable U.S. sources with military connections say it is too early to
>tell if the Clinton administration will try to silence Rob Ryker,
>because of his affiliation with the U.S. Navy.
>
>SOURCES:
>(1) "New Voice Of the NRA Sounds Familiar"
>By Dale Russakoff, Washington Post Staff Writer
>Tuesday, June 9, 1998; Page A06
>=A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company
>(2) Rush Limbaugh radio show
>(3) "Gun Control": Gateway to Tyranny, 1992, Jay Simkin and Aaron Zelman,
>available from Amazon.com
>
>---- @
>
>Sun Tzu's Newswire Online Index at URL:
>        http://www.ccnet.com/~suntzu75/pirn.htm
>
>    Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.
>                   A. J. Liebling, The Wayward Press




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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Stallone on Guns in America

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:04 -0700
From: Liberty or Death <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail],
    [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Stallone on Guns in America

QUOTE BY SYLVESTER STALLONE ABOUT GUNS

MRC
6/12

The only way to make America safe: go house to house and confiscate
every gun. Reacting to the shooting death of Phil Hartman, actor
Sylvester Stallone who is best known for glamorizing in his Rambo
films military weapons not even the NRA wants legal, urged the repeal
of the 2nd amendment.

MRC entertainment analyst Tom Johnson transcribed his ranting from a
June 8 segment on Access Hollywood, the show carried by NBC-owned
stations and syndicated to other markets.

Stallone conceded, "I know we use guns in films," but insisted the
time has come "to be a little more accountable and realize that this
is an escalating problem that's eventually going to lead to, I think,
urban warfare."

Access Hollywood then showed a clip from a comment he made in London
a few weeks ago: "Until America, door to door, takes every handgun,
this is what you're gonna have. It's pathetic. It really is pathetic.
It's sad. We're living in the Dark Ages over there."

"Over there"? Yes, the man who wants to control what Americans have
in their homes is now living in England. Back to Stallone's interview
with the show, he demanded that the 2nd amendment be abandoned: "It
has to be stopped, and someone really has to go on the line, a certain
dauntless political figure, and say, `It's ending, it's over, all bets
are off. It's not 200 years ago, we don't need this anymore, and the
rest of the world doesn't have it. Why should we?'"

- - Monte

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  "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit."
               - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika"
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