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- utah-firearms-digest Tuesday, May 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 058
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- Date: Fri, 15 May 98 22:24:00 -0700
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Politics as usual
-
- - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
- Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:23:45 -0600
- From: Ron Amos <ramos3@ix.netcom.com>
- To: Libertarian Party of Utah <lputah@qsicorp.com>,
- Libertarian Self-Reliance <lsry2k@makelist.com>
- Subject: Politics as usual
-
- Politics as Usual Dept.
-
- [Thanks to Tim Rhodes for this tidbit]
- Representative Tim Moor sponsored a resolution in the Texas House of
- Representatives in Austin, Texas calling on the House to commend Albert de
- Salvo for his unselfish service to "his country, his state and his
- community."
-
- The resolution stated that "this compassionate gentleman's dedication and
- devotion to his work has enabled the weak and the lonely throughout the
- nation to achieve and maintain a new degree of concern for their future.
-
- He has been officially recognized by the state of Massachusetts for his
- noted activities and unconventional techniques involving population control
- and applied psychology."
-
- The resolution was passed unanimously.
-
- Representative Moore then revealed that he had only tabled the motion to
- show how the legislature passes bills and resolutions often without reading
- them or understanding what they say. Albert de Salvo was the Boston
- Strangler.
-
- - --
- Ron Amos, Libertarian Candidate
- Utah State House District #27
- Liberty is Our Destiny
- http://www.netcom.com/~ramos3/district27.html
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 15 May 98 22:24:00 -0700
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: FEAR: Who's next? You? Me? -- The Danger of Dissent in the USA
-
- - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
- From: "R. J. Tavel, JD" <rj@freedomlaw.com>
-
- Willy Chaplin published an interesting piece in the ezine, PissedOff
- (http://www.pissedoff.com/cgi-pissedoff/hn/get/forums/secret.html),
- a couple of days ago. In the essay there is a link to the May, 1998,
- issue of the magazine Liberty and to a very disturbing article by the
- author Peter McWilliams, "The DEA Wishes Me a Nice Day" (an on-line
- copy is at http://www.libertysoft.com/liberty/issues/65issue.html),
- wherein he describes a visit paid to him by the DEA last December. In
- the pre dawn hours on one December morning, they came into his home
- with guns drawn, handcuffed Mr. McWilliams, proceeded to search his
- home and his business and to confiscate his personal property,
- including his computer, his current book in progress and all backup
- copies. A warrant was only produced later and even then, no reason
- was given. (They don't have to give a reason any more thanks to one
- of the latest raft of annual "crime bills" passed by our ever caring
- congress).
-
- We could speculate that the reason for this devastating intrusion into
- Peter's life is because he wrote a very enlightening but politically
- critical book a few years ago entitled, Ain't Nobody's Business If You
- Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country (available at
- http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0931580536/002-7099641-9910800).
- Or it could be because he is apparently using medically prescribed
- marijuana because he is dying of AIDS and cancer. While this practice
- is legal in California, the Feds apparently do not condone such laws
- and are making life miserable for any California citizens who chose to
- ignore federal drug policy -- the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution
- notwithstanding.
-
- No, the reason the DEA has decided to make Peter's life miserable and
- the reason Peter is resigned to spending the rest of his life in prison,
- is DISSENT. Yeah, I know that folk wisdom has it that in the USA with
- its democracy that is the envy of the world, dissent is not only accepted
- but is even encouraged. Try it. Sure, you can openly complain about the
- trivial things, but experience has shown that on the big, big issues --
- like the Vietnam war, the Cold War, and now the Drug war, expressing
- opposition can get you in a bunch of trouble.
-
- But Mr. Chaplin has made this claim much better than I can and I
- strongly recommend you take a look at his essay, "Secret Police" at
- http://www.pissedoff.com/cgi-pissedoff/hn/get/forums/secret.html .
- I quote Mr. Chaplin:
-
- "Then it hit me...like a thunderbolt! We have EXACTLY such a [police]
- force RIGHT NOW! It exists and is growing stronger, more repressive and
- more dangerous each year. It is called the Drug Enforcement Agency and it
- is explicitly formed and authorized to fight opposition to a war...the
- War on Drugs. It's tactics are unconstitutional, secretive, ruthless and
- brutal. Despite the fact that it has NEVER been the slightest bit
- effective in stemming drug use or abuse, it HAS BEEN ALMOST COMPLETELY
- EFFECTIVE IN SUPPRESSING DISSENT!" If this is true -- and I believe it
- is -- we are all at risk. Not because we are taking un-approved drugs but
- because we actively express our disapproval about what the government is
- doing to the citizens and its abuse of the Constitution.
-
- So, the old-timers would say, what else in new? Dissent has always been
- dangerous. Maybe, it would be prudent to just keep our mouths shut (as
- the German citizens did before WW2). But that is hard to do when we read
- what Mr. McWilliams has to say about it: "If the DEA has seized my
- computer to silence me, it has failed, as I hope this article illustrates."
- A good point.
-
- [Posted by Leon Felkins]
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 15 May 98 22:24:00 -0700
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Idaho Judge Lodge Linked to Hansen Nightmare 1/2
-
- - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
- Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:22:54 -0600
- To: "New Republican Discussion List" <repub-d@u.washington.edu>
- From: spiker <spiker@amnix.com>
-
- To All,
-
- The corrupt District Federal Judge detailed in this newspaper article
- is the same man who dismissed the court case against Lon Horiuchi,
- the murderer of Randy Weaver's wife and son.
-
- Truth Surfaces in Hansen Ordeal
- Banker's Political Prisoner
- http://www.conghansen.com/backg.htm
-
- (EDITOR'S NOTE: This article contains graphic descriptions of
- torture that some may find offensive)
-
- Dept. of Finance/Judge Lodge Linked to Hansen Nightmare
-
- by Don Harkins and Edward Snook
-
- Diesel Therapy:
- A prison term which describes the most inhumane, degrading and
- painful of punishment; normally reserved for the most violent and
- uncontrollable of prisoners. A prisoner is shackled at the feet
- and handcuffed at the wrists, reinforced with a box-like structure
- which stiffens the chains and locks the wrists at a 90-degree angle.
- The handcuffs are connected to a waist chain that is connected to
- another chain which connects the shackles. Once this shackling is
- complete, a prisoner can barely move. The tightened manacles pinch
- the nerves and restrict the flow of blood causing severe pain and
- swelling. Legs swelling with blood are particularly damaging to
- the feet, as toenails under pressure from blood-blisters press up
- against shoes for long periods of time and soon become infected and
- deformed, causing such excruciating pain that they require surgery
- or the pulling of the nails out by the roots.
-
- Diesel therapy gets its name, not from the "cruel and unusual"
- bondage, but from being forced into bus after bus and onto plane
- after plane, shackled as described, and being shuttled from one
- prison to another, for weeks on end, 20 hours per day in chains,
- for no other reason than to cause pain and suffering and give
- the prisoner a "message."
-
- Welcome to diesel therapy and the world of seven-term Congressman
- George Hansen who was found guilty in the court-room of the infamous
- Federal Judge Edward Lodge on bogus charges of bank fraud which were
- manipulated into an issue by the Idaho Department of Finance which
- illegally used the same agents previously employed by the IRS in
- their failed attempt to "get Hansen."
-
- People who have been reading past editions of The Idaho Observer
- and The Oregon Observer will recall that the Judge Lodge/Idaho
- Department of Finance connection has already been uncovered in
- the bogus securities laws violations charges levied against Boise
- businessman and winemaker Petro (Pete) Eliopulos. "After Ed Snook
- of The Oregon Observer and I met with Hansen and he told me in a
- six-hour meeting what had happened to him, I was more shaken than
- I have ever been in my life. If (West One) bank officers Knox and
- Neaville had not subsequently been convicted of crimes which came
- to light in the bogus investigations of me and my businesses, they
- could have done to me what they did to Hansen," said Eliopulos,
- who was shocked that a U.S. Representative, or anybody for that
- matter, could be treated this way in America. What could an esteemed
- member of the U.S. Congress have done to deserve such treatment?
- Judge Lodge prescribed torture for Hansen.
-
- Congressman Hansen found innocent of crimes manufactured to thwart
- congressional accountability.
-
- After four years of imprisonment, after ten years of persecution,
- after being ruined professionally and financially and after being
- permanently damaged physically, in December, 1995, the 9th Circuit
- Court of Appeals vacated Hansen's sentence for bank fraud because
- the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled on May 15, 1995, that Hansen's
- previous conviction as a member of Congress had been overturned.
-
- A series of events were triggered to allow crimes to be manufactured
- which led to the imprisonment and torture of Congressman George Hansen.
- Idaho District Federal Judge Edward Lodge, who has been used by bankers
- and government officials for a decade to "legalize" their unethical
- and criminal activities, was given the job of putting Hansen away and
- seeing to it that he learned a lesson. Judge Lodge saw to it that
- Hansen received "diesel therapy" coming and going to prison from the
- judge's court at great cost to the government, even though Hansen
- should have been allowed to make such trips at his own expense.
-
- On the way from his hometown of Pocatello to federal prison in
- Petersberg, VA , Hansen was bused and flown, nearly immovably
- shackled, at taxpayer expense, to jails all over the country.
- Not Hansen's lawyer, his wife, nor his allies in Congress were
- able to locate him. Hansen had simply disappeared for a month
- into the custody of the Federal Marshal's Service.
-
- Hansen's wife didn't know whether he was dead or alive. And even
- when the Supreme Court overturned Hansen's original case and the
- Appeals Court vacated his current sentence, Hansen still got the
- Judge Lodge treatment of another dose of diesel therapy from
- Virginia back to Idaho.
-
- What had Hansen, who was a model prisoner, done to deserve the
- most brutal, torturous and barbaric type of treatment this country's
- penal system is capable of inflicting on a prisoner?
-
- Congressional Accountability Project
-
- Retired Congressman Tom Kindness (R-Ohio) stated , "I believe that
- George's recent trial and conviction on charges of "bank fraud" was
- the direct result of a campaign by various members of the bureaucracy
- to stop the CAP." CAP, the Congressional Accountability Project, was
- being launched by Hansen and a group of investors interested in good
- government. CAP was going to utilize nation-wide television and a
- national 900 number to make congresspersons instantaneously accountable
- to the American people for their votes on the House and Senate floors.
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 15 May 98 22:24:00 -0700
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Idaho Judge Lodge Linked to Hansen Nightmare 2/2
-
- "This was a project which would, in my opinion, have had a major
- impact on the votes of congressmen since it would have made them
- instantaneously responsible to the people by making their votes
- known immediately after being cast," commented journalist John Voss.
- Hansen and his associates were on the verge of making CAP fully
- operational and accessible to the American public when the government,
- through the Idaho Department of Finance with the illegal help of
- former IRS agents, a revenge-minded Justice Department and the
- corrupt Judge Lodge, manufactured bank fraud charges against him.
- Judge Lodge's provably compromised court ultimately found Hansen
- guilty and prescribed diesel therapy to teach him a lesson.
-
- Why did the "Honorable" Judge Lodge treat Hansen like Public Enemy #1?
-
- George Hansen was the only member of Congress able to pull the
- strings necessary to visit the hostages in Iran in 1979 and expose
- the big-bank scam behind the crises. George Hansen was the author
- of the book To Harass Our People, an indictment of the IRS, wherein
- he demanded its dismantling. George Hansen was the congressman who
- was so outraged by what he discovered about the IRS while researching
- his book that he wrote and helped to pass the Taxpayers' Bill of Rights.
- George Hansen was the first man to propose the flat tax as a damage
- control alternative to protect the people from IRS abuses. George
- Hansen was the man who took on OSHA, WPPSS, and the INS, and George
- Hansen was the man who fearlessly and repeatedly made public his
- findings when investigations turned up government corruption and
- citizen abuse.
-
- The "system" decided it had to teach Congressman Hansen a lesson
- because, had he been allowed to continue serving on Capitol Hill,
- he would soon likely be the chairman of the powerful House Banking
- Committee.
-
- So, why did Judge Lodge, whose personal reasons for needing to
- keep the well-documented criminal nature of the banking industry
- below public scrutiny, with the help of the Idaho Department of
- Finance, trump up a bank fraud conviction by denying the admission
- of exonerating evidence in court in order to throw Hansen in prison
- and make sure that he was punished severely with diesel therapy?
-
- Was it because Congressman Hansen was getting close to the truth
- and accumulating the political power it would take to finally and
- totally expose the banking industry and government for its criminal
- abuses of the American people?
-
- Judge Lodge's Court of Kangaroos
-
- CAP was apparently the final straw and abusive criminal government
- had to put Hansen down. On the eve of CAP becoming fully operational,
- powerful special interests and political enemies derailed the project
- and forced a domino effect of financial repercussions upon Hansen and
- his associates. The government then took the situation it had created
- and indicted, prosecuted and convicted Hansen of bank fraud. Though
- the treachous Judge Lodge and the government disdained the patriotic
- financial sacrifices made by Hansen's supporters for good government
- and callously prevented his efforts to re-pay them, it did not prevent
- Hansen from publicly pledging that these law breaking government
- bullies could never seal his lips, nor stop him from somehow paying
- back the people he owed and thereby keeping his word. Every attorney
- who has read the court transcripts is concerned and confounded as to
- how George could have been convicted on bank fraud charges when the
- supervising bank officers were not only acutely aware of his
- financial operation and transactions, but were actively assisting
- him in his efforts for over ten years! "George defrauded no one and
- we can prove it," stated Congressman Kindness.
-
- Hansen was not really imprisoned and tortured by "our" government
- for bank fraud, though that was the government's excuse to lock him
- up and shut him down. Hansen was actually a political prisoner who
- was guilty of attempting to provide the American people with the
- ammunition of knowledge so they could successfully fight back against
- the senseless encroachment of government oppression which more and
- more is ruining the lives of all of us. Hansen dedicated his civil
- service to facilitating a return to a "our" government that felt
- threatened enough by his noble activities to see to it that he was
- imprisoned and tortured for daring to tell citizen/taxpayers the
- truth. Hansen was the only U.S. statesman who cared enough to risk
- his own safety and political career to visit the hostages in Iran
- in 1979. While in Iran, Hansen saw first hand what happens to
- political prisoners, who were beaten mercilessly, who had finger
- and toe nails ripped out by the roots and who had been shackled
- until they were permanently disabled physically.
-
- Hansen has also experienced first hand the same inhumane torture and
- it happened to him in the most "civilized" nation on earth, the only
- difference being that Hansen was denied treatment and pain-killers
- and had to rip his own deformed and infected toenails out.
-
- If there has ever been a time when your country needed you to stand
- up for everything it means to be an American, that time is right now.
-
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-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:11:16 -0600
- From: "S. Thompson" <righter@therighter.com>
- Subject: Dr. Finnell Takes On CDC. TV interview Monday
-
- Val Finnell, M.D. Takes on the CDC:
-
- > I will be a guest on "Endangered Liberties," a talk show on America's
- > Voice (cable) on Monday, May 18th at 10:00 pm to discuss the Centers for
- > Disease Control's (CDC) support of the biased and incompetent medical
- > "research" on the issue of gun ownership.
- >
- > The show is broadcast live and accepts call-ins and e-mail:
- > takeaction@americasvoice.com
- >
- > Please tune in if you have cable. If you don't, you can still view the
- > broadcast in RealVideo using RealPlayer at the following website:
- >
- > http://www.americasvoice.com/
- >
- > Just click on the button that says, "Watch Now."
- >
- > You can download the RealPlayer free at:
- > http://www.real.com/products/player/index.html
- >
- > Again:
- >
- > Endangered Liberties on America's Voice cable network at 10:00 pm,
- > Monday May 18th. Watch on TV or on the web. Call in-and e-mail.
- >
- > Thanks,
- >
- > Val
-
-
- Val is a friend and fellow member of Doctors for Integrity in Policy
- Research. If you have the ability to check this out, please do.
-
- Sarah
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:34:45 -0700
- From: DAVID SAGERS <dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us>
- Subject: RNC / New York Times -Forwarded
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-
- This is a very important summary of how the Clinton Administration has
- sold US security interests -- and why. Please forward it to your own
- lists.
-
- Mike Collins
- RNC Press Secretary
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-
- ESSAY / By WILLIAM SAFIRE
- U.S. Security for Sale
-
- WASHINGTON -- A President hungry for money to finance his re-election
- overruled the Pentagon; he sold to a Chinese Military Intelligence front
- the technology that defense experts argued would give Beijing the
- capacity to blind our spy satellites and launch a sneak attack. How soon
- we have forgotten Pearl Harbor.
-
- October 1996 must have been some tense month for Democratic
- fund-raisers. The New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Los Angeles
- Times had begun to expose "the Asian connection" of John Huang and
- Indonesia's Riady family to the Clinton campaign.
-
- The fix was already in to sell the satellite technology to China.
- Clinton had switched the licensing over to Ron Brown's anything-goes
- Commerce Department. Johnny Chung had paid up. Commerce's Huang had
- delivered money big time (though one of his illegal foreign sources had
- already been spotted). The boss of the satellite's builder had come
- through as Clinton's largest contributor.
-
- But public outrage was absent. The F.B.I. didn't read the papers and
- Reno Justice did not want to embarrass the President. And television
- news found no pictorial values in the Asian connection.
-
- Stealthily, the Clinton Administration held back the implementation of
- the corrupt policy until Nov. 5 -- the day the campaign ended.
- Now the reporting of Jeff Gerth and The Times's investigative team is
- putting the spotlight of pitiless publicity on the sellout of American
- security.
-
- We begin to see how the daughter of China's top military commander
- steered at least $300,000 through the Chung channel to the D.N.C.
- (Apparently Mr. Chung skimmed off a chunk and may be spilling his guts
- lest he have to face his Beijing friends.)
-
- We begin to learn more of the Feb. 8, 1996, visit of the arms dealer
- Wang Jun to the Commerce office of Ron Brown, and Wang's "coffee"
- meeting that day with the President, the very day that Clinton approved
- four Chinese launches -- even as China was terrorizing Taiwan with
- missile tests.
-
- Clinton's explanation, which used to slyly suggest that China policy was
- not changed "solely" by contributors, has now switched to total
- ignorance: shucks, we didn't know the source of the money. But this
- President's D.N.C. did not know because it wanted not to know;
- procedures long in place to prevent the unlawful inflow of foreign funds
- were uprooted by the money-hungry Clintonites.
-
- Today, two years after this sale of our security, comes the unforeseen
- chain reaction: as China strengthens its satellite and missile
- technology, a new Indian Government reacts to the growing threat from
- its longtime Asian rival and joins the nuclear club. In turn, China
- feels pressed to supply its threatened ally, Pakistan, with weaponry
- Beijing promised us not to transfer.
-
- This makes Clinton the Proliferation President.
-
- Who has helped keep this sellout of security under wraps? In the Senate,
- John Glenn was rewarded with a space flight by Clinton for derogating
- the leads to China of the Thompson committee. Fred Thompson's warnings
- about China's plan to penetrate this White House were then scorned by
- Democratic partisans; his Government Operations Committee should now
- swarm all over this.
-
- The House's aggressive agent of the Clinton cover-up, Henry Waxman of
- California, is finally "troubled" by the prospect of damning evidence he
- prevented the Burton committee from finding. At least three Democratic
- partisans who foolishly followed Waxman in blocking the testimony of
- Asian witnesses may have difficulty explaining their cover-up vote to
- even more troubled voters in their districts.
-
- The Gerth revelations lead to more questions: Where were the chiefs of
- the C.I.A. and the National Security Agency, their intelligence so
- dependent on satellites, on the satellite technology sale to China?
- Is anybody at Reno Justice re-examining testimony taken by independent
- counsel investigating corruption at Commerce before Ron Brown's death?
- Does Brown's former lawyer claim "dead man's privilege" on notes? Did
- N.S.A. tape overseas calls of suspect Commerce officials? Who induced
- Commerce to lobby Clinton for control of satellite technology?
- And the most immediate: Will homesick prosecutor Charles LaBella,
- beholden to Janet Reno for his political appointment in San Diego, dare
- to offend his patron by calling for independent counsel?
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:38:47 -0700
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- Repercussions of military killing of civilian teen-ager along border
- 12.34 p.m. ET (1635 GMT) May 17, 1998
-
- By Eduardo Montes, Associated Press
-
- EL PASO, Texas (AP) -- As the Marines approached, Esequiel Hernandez Jr.
- writhed on the ground in agony, dying from the military-issue M-16 bullet
- that had torn into his side.
-
- On that rainy evening one year ago, the 18-year-old goatherd became the
- first American civilian casualty of U.S. troops enlisted to fight the war
- on drugs.
-
- He may have been the last. The military suspended its drug patrols along
- the border two months later and not one armed soldier has returned since.
-
- "We don't know when and if those missions will be reinstated. To be very
- honest, we don't believe they will. The entire operation was put under
- scrutiny. I just don't see us going back into that business,'' said Lt.
- Col. Jere Norman, spokesman for Joint Task Force Six, the agency that
- coordinates anti-drug missions between the military and civilian
- authorities.
-
- The Pentagon created the El Paso-based JTF Six in 1989 after the White
- House declared drugs a national security threat, opening the door to
- limited military involvement in interdiction efforts.
-
- Civil rights advocates quickly protested, arguing the move eroded the
- 1878 Posse Comitatus act prohibiting the military from performing
- civilian law enforcement functions.
-
- It was "against the democratic values and beliefs of this country since
- the Declaration of Independence,'' said Maria Jimenez, director of the
- Immigration Law Enforcement Monitoring Project, a watchdog group.
-
- Critics also said the government was inviting tragedy, and Hernandez's
- death on May 20, 1997, seemed to prove them right.
-
- Hernandez, who lived in Redford, a remote border town 200 miles southeast
- of El Paso, had been grazing his goats near the Rio Grande when he
- crossed paths with a four-man Marine patrol assigned to keep watch on a
- suspected drug smuggling route.
-
- What happened next has been a subject of debate.
-
- The Marines said Hernandez fired at them twice with his .22-caliber
- rifle, prompting the camouflaged soldiers to trail him for about 20
- minutes.
-
- When he raised his rifle a third time, Cpl. Clemente Banuelos, fearing
- a fellow Marine was in danger, fired a single shot that struck Hernandez
- under the right armpit. Within the hour, the teen-ager was dead.
-
- Family members say Hernandez would never have knowingly fired at the
- Marines and that he carried the rifle only to shoot targets and protect
- his goats from wild dogs. Local and federal authorities acknowledge he
- wasn't involved in any wrongdoing when he was killed.
-
- The military maintains Banuelos and his three fellow Marines acted
- appropriately.
-
- Banuelos was cleared by two grand juries, one federal and one convened
- by Presidio County.
-
- The decision outraged Hernandez's family and many Redford residents.
-
- "It's something that you can't understand, why it happened, why they
- had to kill him, why it had to be done,'' said Hernandez's older
- brother, Margarito. "We can't accept they had a reason to kill him.
- It was wrong.''
-
- The Hernandez family is pursuing a claim against the government and has
- been negotiating with the Justice Department for compensation, said
- family attorney Bill Weinacht.
-
- And Presidio County District Attorney Albert Valadez is considering
- whether to reopen the case because he feels the county grand jury's
- examination left unanswered questions.
-
- Margarito Hernandez and civil rights advocates are pleased that the
- military missions have been discontinued, but they fear the Pentagon
- could reverse the decision. And in any event, JTF Six will still be
- involved with police, including training them in military tactics.
-
- "It's a different threat,'' said Tim Dunn, author of "Militarization
- of the U.S.-Mexico Border.''
-
- "It's a more severe threat if they're out there with guns,'' he said.
- "But if the other facets of the relationship ... continue, that's still
- dangerous.''
-
- Supporters of military involvement see a different threat.
-
- "We should not unilaterally retreat from the war on drugs because there
- is a tragedy,'' said Paul Marcone, chief of staff for Rep. Jim Traficant,
- D-Ohio. "The (suspension's) net effect is that we have more cocaine and
- heroin coming into the United States.''
-
- Traficant plans to reintroduce legislation this year to allow increased
- military participation.
-
- But Norman, the JTF Six spokesman, said he's not sure civilian agencies
- want soldiers to return.
-
- "If it became available to us, we'd have to take a long hard look at
- it,'' said Tomas Zuniga, a Dallas-based spokesman for the Immigration
- and Naturalization Service. "Shame on me once, but not shame on me
- twice.''
-
-
-
- - -
-
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-
- Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:00:37 -0700
- From: DAVID SAGERS <dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us>
- Subject: BATF Proposed regulations: Immediate action needed! -Forwarded
-
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- - -----------------------
- This is about the *proposed* permanent Brady Bill regulations The BATF
- comment period is about to end ( midnight May 20, 1998. )
-
- If you wish to be taken off my distribution list, I will immediately honor
- your wishes.
- ===
- I am sorry that this is redundant for subscribers to RKBA-CO. But I wanted
- to thank those subscribers ( you know who you are. ) If it wasn't for
- them, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms
- Ownership many of us would not have found out about this.
-
- The NRA is asleep at the wheel. I e mailed my concerns, along with the
- proposed regulations to Tanya Metaska, NRA/ILA three weeks ago and have
- heard nothing back.
-
- The proposed regulations are available from me or the government
- ( Government Printing Office ) at:
-
- http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/dbsearch.html
- link: Federal Register
- link: GPO Access Search Page
- http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aaces002.html
-
- Federal Register, Volume 63, (1998) was already selected in a form
-
- searched for "alcohol, tobacco and firearms"
-
- http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi
-
- fr19fe98P Implementation of Public Law 103-159, Relating to the Permanent
-
- This issue cannot wait! No time to procrastinate. The commentary period
- is nearly over. I have attached a sample letter that you can use and
- modify. In the letter are the mailing address and important reasons the
- proposed regulations should be withdrawn.
-
- Please act now. Don't wait for the 'good ol' boys' at the NRA.
-
- David Post post@fc.hp.com These opinions are mine and mine alone.
- ============================================================================
-
-
- May 17, 1998
- 3954 Boxelder Dr.
- Loveland, CO 80538
-
-
- Chief, Regulations Division
- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
- P.O. Box 50221
- Washington, D.C. 20091-0221
-
- Attention: Notice No. 857 (proposed regulations to implement
- the "instant check" provisions of the "Brady Act").
-
- To Whom It May Concern:
-
- I am writing to express objections to the proposed regulations.
-
- The proposed regulations defer citizens privacy to the hands of the Justice
- Department, but the DOJ has not been prohibited from keeping databases of
- firearm purchases. They have no obligation to secure their records or
- maintain citizen privacy. This is an attempted end-run around laws designed
- to regulate the BATF. The Batf has overstepped it bounds.
-
- The original intent of the Brady Bill was for the BATF to implement a check
- if, and only if, the states did not implement it or it was not adequate.
- Therefore the BATF check is not necessary.
-
- The proposed regulations appear to apply to all firearms, handguns and long
- guns. This is completely beyond the scope of the Brady Bill. Again, the
- BATF oversteps its bounds.
-
- The Brady Bill intent was to exempt states which had implemented their own
- instant check system. The proposed regulations fail in this respect.
-
- Finally, the proposed regulations should be directed, not toward areas of
- state law, but toward the very poor record of booking those violators of
- federal law who attempt to purchase a firearm when they have been
- prohibited by previous criminal activity.
-
- These proposed regulations should be withdrawn, and rewritten according to
- the above guidelines.
-
-
- David F. Post
-
-
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- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:09:37 -0600
- From: "S. Thompson" <righter@therighter.com>
- Subject: Forfeiture Hearing on Wednesday
-
- I've taken the liberty of forwarding this message from Arnold Gaunt because
- I believe asset forfeiture is an issue of concern to firearms owners. I
- have no information other that what Arnold has written, so please direct
- questions to him.
-
- Sarah
-
- >Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:08:36 -0700
- >From: "Arnold J. Gaunt" <ajgaunt@xmission.com>
- >Reply-To: ajgaunt@xmission.com
- >Organization: XMission
- >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I)
- >To: ajgaunt@xmission.com
- >Subject: Forfeiture Hearing on Wednesday
- >
- >This is another reminder of the civil asset forfeiture hearing by the
- >Business, Labor, and Economic Development Interim Committee. The
- >hearing is scheduled for 3:35 PM on Wednesday, May 20, in Room 403 of
- >the State Capitol. This is our opportunity to inform the Legislature
- >that asset forfeiture is unjust. Please plan to attend if you possibly
- >can.
- >
- >I will be presenting to the Committee a summary of some of the worst
- >forfeiture abuses that have occurred in Utah. Other topics that are
- >worthy of consideration and might be presented and developed by others
- >are:
- >
- >1. The inherent presumption of guilt in forfeiture proceedings
- >
- >2. The use of confidential informants, paid with asset forfeiture
- >proceeds, and the distortion of justice which results.
- >
- >3. How drug dealers can use their assets as a trade for reduced charges
- >and sentences.
- >
- >4. Since drug dealers make their money from junkies who steal from
- >innocent people or from those who effectively are stealing from their
- >families, why are police entitled to forfeiture proceeds instead of
- >victims of the drug trade?
- >
- >5. Why should drug users continue to be treated as victims when their
- >choice to use has caused the supply problem? Users of drugs ought to be
- >treated as the cause of supply rather than its victims. If the
- >Legislature must do something about drugs, then let's eliminate demand
- >instead of pursuing foolish and proven ineffective "supply side"
- >approaches which involve and threaten the liberty of all. Under "supply
- >side", all are directly or indirectly participants in drug commerce.
- >
- >6. If we don't allow our soldiers to loot from the enemy, nor allow our
- >tax auditors to earn commissions on successful audits, why do allow the
- >police to confiscate the property of innocent owners?
- >
- >7. If asset forfeiture is all about Pablo Escobar (now deceased) and
- >his billions, then why can't the police/prosecutors produce statistics
- >to back this phony assertion?
- >
- >8. Since the police have seized many homes for alleged meth lab
- >operations, why was not the Red Lion Hotel seized on the same basis?
- >
- >9. With regard to real property, why shouldn't owners be entitled to
- >the same protection as banks who can avoid forfeiture by showing they
- >didn't know of the alleged misuse of the property.
- >
- >10. How can the police and prosecutors be so certain of guilt when no
- >one is ever charged with a crime in most forfeitures?
- >
- >11. Why should prosecutors have greater incentive to pursue forfeiture
- >cases than murder or robbery cases, since they are reimbursed with
- >proceeds on successful forfeiture actions.
- >
- >I'm aware that some of you may have objections to some of these topics,
- >but they are intended merely to promote deeper consideration of this
- >issue and possibly motivate you to address the Committee.
- >
- >See you on Wednesday.
- >
- >
- >
- >http://www.le.state.ut.us/~1998/interim/html/0520blea.htm
- >
- >
-
- - -
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