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From Jackie Juntti's website -
http://home.earthlink.net/~idzrus/index.html
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Did you know you have to provide 'GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION' to
travel?
I took one of my very infrequent trips on an airplane last week. I had
been forewarned by one of my daughters that I would HAVE to produce a
Drivers License in order to get past the baggage check-in desk. Well,
this just happens to be an extremely sensitive issue with me and I
said, "NO WAY," I will get on that plane using my Costco card as it
has my photo on it.
I did call the airline and ask what the deal was on identification. I
did this as the plane tickets were a gift from my brother and
sister-in-law and I couldn't goof up their gift to me to prove a point.
The person I spoke with on the phone was very polite in telling me that
I would indeed need GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID to board the plane. I asked
what is considered Government Issued ID? She explained that would be a
state issued Drivers License, a state issued Identification Card, or a
Passport. I asked what a person can do that has none of those items.
She replied, then you must get one of them. I told her my flight was
scheduled the next day so there was no time to get any of those items
and just whom would I talk with to discover what other options would
be available. Her response was to go talk with the airport security at
the airport.
I did not do that, choosing instead to take my chances of just going
to the airport and seeing what would happen. I love real life adventures.
Upon arriving at Sea-Tac I gave my daughter the usual hug and kiss and
said "Bye, see you in a week" - or whatever. Grabbed my luggage and
headed towards the baggage/ticket counter.
When my turn came I placed my suitcase on the proper spot and handed the
clerk my tickets. She looked at them and asked for ID.
I opened my purse and my wallet and pulled out my Costco Card and handed
it to her.
Believe me, this was a Kodak Moment!!!! She recovered and then explained
that I needed to produce GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION. The ensuing
discussion was long (took about 15 minutes to get past this point to the
next step) and I will just summarize for this writing. Oh yes, there were
many people standing around that heard all of this. We went back and
forth over GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID and my comments about why did I need a
drivers license, I wasn't driving the plane--that I thought I lived in
America and we had freedom here and hadn't reached the point of having
to PRODUCE OUR PAPERS.
Next we discussed how someone who flies only every few years is to know
of these socialist rules. The requirement of needing GOVERNMENT ISSUED
IDENTIFICATION is not printed on the tickets or the envelopes that
contain the tickets. And, as I looked around where I stood (where they
sell tickets) there was not any notice concerning that rule.
She explained that I would have been advised at the time I purchased
the tickets of the ID requirement. I told her I didn't purchase the
tickets, they were a gift and had been mailed to me.
"Well, it is FAA rules", she said.
I asked for a copy of those rules so that I could see for myself if that
was indeed true. She didn't have a copy and told me to contact FAA for
one. I explained that it was odd that IF that is the rule then it should
be readily available for the public to see.
The conversation then went to how safe she feels knowing that everyone
on the plane has GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION as it makes everyone
SAFER and more SECURE. I remarked that false identification is not that
hard to get and I didn't understand how the possession of possibly
false GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION could make anyone feel safer.
I certainly didn't feel any safer or more secure knowing that all
passengers carried GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
We agreed that we seemed to have different views on what constitutes
SAFETY and SECURITY. (I really wanted to explain how the FBI, BATF,
CIA, had GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION and I wondered how SAFE &
SECURE the Randy Weaver family and the Branch Davidians felt knowing
that those firing on them had GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION. I don't
think she would have comprehended the relationship at all).
I finally asked her point blank if the fact that I didn't produce any
GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION was going to create denial of my
boarding the plane. She was very exasperated at this point as I am sure
they have not been taught how to deal with nice little old ladies that
aren't nasty or threatening but just asking honest questions.
She then reached down below her counter area and pulled out a very
bright flourescent orange strip of card stock, approx 18 inches x 1.5
inches that she folded around my purse strap and stapled it. I was told
NOT TO REMOVE it either. She then explained that I would HAVE to submit
to a physical search of my purse upon passing thru the metal detection
area. AND, be sure they punch this strip after you have been searched
or YOU WILL NOT GET ON THAT PLANE!!!
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 08:01:00 -0700
From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Know Thy Enemy
Web sites to check out:
http://www.assc.org/afc/afchome.html
http://www.assc.org/index.html
Vol.2 No. 2, Fall 1996
AFC Journal
EDUCATING AMERICA ABOUT FIREARMS
Know Thy Enemy
by John Riggio
If you want insight and an eye-opening, wake-up call of what the anti-gun
crowd has in store for gun owners and the firearm industry, you should
personally attend one of their conferences and witness firsthand their
fervor and fanaticism and the propaganda they dish out.
That's exactly what I got when I attended the Midwest Conference Against
Handgun Violence in Chicago this summer organized by the Illinois Council
Against Handgun Violence and sponsored by the Center to Prevent Handgun
Violence, an arm of Sarah Brady's Handgun Control, Inc.
From their names, they'd like you to believe they're concerned with handgun
violence. But they're not so much concerned with the violence as just the
handgun part.
For a day and a half I sat biting my tongue as I heard some of the most
incredible "disinformation" and distortion about guns and watched
impressionable citizens worked into a mindless frenzy over firearms.
Experts from various professions addressed topics ranging from fund raising
and organizational development, to generating media publicity, building
coalitions with like-minded groups (like anti-hunting and animal rights
advocates), and how to "educate" voters on gun control issues.
These people have created an industry of their own called "gun control" and
they are "franchising" it across the country and expertly marketing it as
"anti-violence."
These people are serious, organized and well-funded. They see absolutely no
use for firearms of any kind. They dismiss self-protection with a gun as a
promotional gimmick of firearm companies and continually refer to that
discredited study that claims a gun in the home is more dangerous to a
homeowner than to a housebreaker.
They see hunting as uncivilized and cruel. They view recreational and
competition shooting as pastimes that foster violent, criminal behavior.
They oppose firearm safety training because they believe it indoctrinates
youth into the "culture of guns."
They depict gun clubs and gun owner organizations as right-wing,
lunatic-fringe groups on the brink of overthrowing the government.
In their eyes, as a licensed gun dealer, I am a "merchant of death" and
average gun owners are misguided members of an "unenlightened" class who
must be protected from themselves.
These people are serious and sincere in their beliefs that guns are the
root of all evil. Above all else, they are intolerant. Intolerant of views
that differ from their own. Intolerant of facts that challenge the validity
of their own perceptions. They don't want to be confused with facts. They
know what is right and what is right is that gun ownership is wrong.
Seeing all of this firsthand left me with the clear impression that the
anti-gunners have decided advantages over our side. One is the passion they
bring to their cause. They are committed to their goals and the belief that
they are on a mission to save not just one life, but the whole world.
Another advantage they enjoy is the fact that their only focus, their primary
business, is to rid the world of guns and they are united in that effort.
For those of us in the industry, most of our time is spent trying to earn
an honest day's wages. We're tired after a 12-hour shift or a 70-hour work
week. There's not enough time left for the family or friends much less
politics and proselytizing for converts to our side. And, the margin of
profit I make in selling guns doesn't leave much for contributing to the
organizations we need to counter groups like HCI, which receives huge
grants from multi-national foundations and gets free work from Madison
Avenue ad agencies and law firms.
Still, I try my best, to support our cause, not just because my livelihood
depends on it, but because I am a true believer in individual rights and
individual responsibility. Nowhere are these concepts better illustrated
than in the individual right to keep and bear arms, and in the holding of
the individual criminal responsible when he or she abuses that right.
Throughout the day at my gun shop, my staff and I work hard at selling
guns. But we also work hard at selling the need for our customers to be
safe, responsible, and politically active gun owners.
That is a challenge all of us must take. We must do more as businessmen and
women in this industry to fight against the likes of Sarah Brady and her
growing gun control franchises.
We've got to stop letting the few in this industry, like the American
Shooting Sports Council, do 98% of our job. As an industry trade
association, ASSC is doing great work. But they need help. They need the
support of each of us in this industry.
Besides joining the ASSC, one of the more critical things each of us can
do, is to personally attend an anti-gun conference and see for yourself
their plans and strategies and learn firsthand what they have in store for
the future of the firearm industry and firearm ownership.
===
John Riggio is the owner of a successful gunshop and has been in the
firearm business for 30 years and is a member of ASSC.
⌐1996, 1997, The American Firearms Council
for information concerning this web site, contact George Miller
Last modified: January 29, 1997
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:57:44 -0700
From: Will Thompson <will@phbtsus.com>
Subject: Re: Gunism = Racism?
SCOTT BERGESON wrote:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:38:43 EST
> From: JRLinSLC <JRLinSLC@aol.com>
> To: lputah@qsicorp.com
>
> Not much has been said on this list about GOP State Chair Rob Bishop's
> equation of anti-gun laws to racial discrimination.
>
> I'm amazed that the RKBA community has been quite silent on this issue
> (or maybe I haven't heard their response in the media).
>
> David Kopel has a book out relating the racially-driven motives of early
> gun-control legislation.
>
> Better to just let Rob Bishop twist in the wind on this one, or will gun
> rights as a whole be harmed?
>
> Scooter!
>
> -
I know the day after the Trib's editorial saying that Bishop was a
lunatic
for the wingnut suggestion that gun bans are prejudicial, there was
a response on the editor's fax machine. I don't expect to see it
published,
especially after the letter from the reverend that they published
yesterday.
Guess it's time we all learned...
civil rights only pertain to skin color.
prejudice only pertains to race.
I know that every time I spoke with the Chrony last fall I brought up
the
Tennessee gun control laws and Jim Crow.
The oh-so concerned reporters don't want to hear it.
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Web sites to check out:
http://www.assc.org/afc/afchome.html
http://www.assc.org/index.html
Vol.2 No. 2, Fall 1996
AFC Journal
EDUCATING AMERICA ABOUT FIREARMS
Know Thy Enemy
by John Riggio
If you want insight and an eye-opening, wake-up call of what the anti-gun
crowd has in store for gun owners and the firearm industry, you should
personally attend one of their conferences and witness firsthand their
fervor and fanaticism and the propaganda they dish out.
That's exactly what I got when I attended the Midwest Conference Against
Handgun Violence in Chicago this summer organized by the Illinois Council
Against Handgun Violence and sponsored by the Center to Prevent Handgun
Violence, an arm of Sarah Brady's Handgun Control, Inc.
From their names, they'd like you to believe they're concerned with handgun
violence. But they're not so much concerned with the violence as just the
handgun part.
For a day and a half I sat biting my tongue as I heard some of the most
incredible "disinformation" and distortion about guns and watched
impressionable citizens worked into a mindless frenzy over firearms.
Experts from various professions addressed topics ranging from fund raising
and organizational development, to generating media publicity, building
coalitions with like-minded groups (like anti-hunting and animal rights
advocates), and how to "educate" voters on gun control issues.
These people have created an industry of their own called "gun control" and
they are "franchising" it across the country and expertly marketing it as
"anti-violence."
These people are serious, organized and well-funded. They see absolutely no
use for firearms of any kind. They dismiss self-protection with a gun as a
promotional gimmick of firearm companies and continually refer to that
discredited study that claims a gun in the home is more dangerous to a
homeowner than to a housebreaker.
They see hunting as uncivilized and cruel. They view recreational and
competition shooting as pastimes that foster violent, criminal behavior.
They oppose firearm safety training because they believe it indoctrinates
youth into the "culture of guns."
They depict gun clubs and gun owner organizations as right-wing,
lunatic-fringe groups on the brink of overthrowing the government.
In their eyes, as a licensed gun dealer, I am a "merchant of death" and
average gun owners are misguided members of an "unenlightened" class who
must be protected from themselves.
These people are serious and sincere in their beliefs that guns are the
root of all evil. Above all else, they are intolerant. Intolerant of views
that differ from their own. Intolerant of facts that challenge the validity
of their own perceptions. They don't want to be confused with facts. They
know what is right and what is right is that gun ownership is wrong.
Seeing all of this firsthand left me with the clear impression that the
anti-gunners have decided advantages over our side. One is the passion they
bring to their cause. They are committed to their goals and the belief that
they are on a mission to save not just one life, but the whole world.
Another advantage they enjoy is the fact that their only focus, their primary
business, is to rid the world of guns and they are united in that effort.
For those of us in the industry, most of our time is spent trying to earn
an honest day's wages. We're tired after a 12-hour shift or a 70-hour work
week. There's not enough time left for the family or friends much less
politics and proselytizing for converts to our side. And, the margin of
profit I make in selling guns doesn't leave much for contributing to the
organizations we need to counter groups like HCI, which receives huge
grants from multi-national foundations and gets free work from Madison
Avenue ad agencies and law firms.
Still, I try my best, to support our cause, not just because my livelihood
depends on it, but because I am a true believer in individual rights and
individual responsibility. Nowhere are these concepts better illustrated
than in the individual right to keep and bear arms, and in the holding of
the individual criminal responsible when he or she abuses that right.
Throughout the day at my gun shop, my staff and I work hard at selling
guns. But we also work hard at selling the need for our customers to be
safe, responsible, and politically active gun owners.
That is a challenge all of us must take. We must do more as businessmen and
women in this industry to fight against the likes of Sarah Brady and her
growing gun control franchises.
We've got to stop letting the few in this industry, like the American
Shooting Sports Council, do 98% of our job. As an industry trade
association, ASSC is doing great work. But they need help. They need the
support of each of us in this industry.
Besides joining the ASSC, one of the more critical things each of us can
do, is to personally attend an anti-gun conference and see for yourself
their plans and strategies and learn firsthand what they have in store for
the future of the firearm industry and firearm ownership.
===
John Riggio is the owner of a successful gunshop and has been in the
firearm business for 30 years and is a member of ASSC.
#1996, 1997, The American Firearms Council
for information concerning this web site, contact George Miller
