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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:44:47 -0700
From: DAVID SAGERS <[e-mail]>
Subject: RNC/ Democrats Return Money / FEC Reports Online -Forwarded

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IN CASE YOU MISSED IT...

January 9, 1998

DEMOCRAT CAMPAIGN FINANCE SCANDAL SHIFTS
FROM PACIFIC RIM TO THE MIDDLE EAST!

The Democratic National Committee has once again been forced to
return a huge chunk of apparently illegal money, this time from
the Middle East.

"Absolute serendipity," is how lawyers for an Ohio company
describe a $100,000 donation to the DNC -- the same week American
diplomats helped arrange a meeting between the company's lobbyists
and top Saudi Arabian government officials.

Transcripts from an Ohio court case obtained by The Cleveland
Plain Dealer show that lobbyists for Global Resources Management,
Inc. arranged "meetings with members of the royal (Saudi) family,"
in August, 1996 with the help of the U.S. Embassy in Saudi Arabia.
As the Associated Press reported January 8:

"On August 12, 1996, Global Resources gave the DNC a $100,000
check at a fund-raiser for President Clinton's birthday.
Testimony from Mohamed El-Naggar, an Egyptian national who co-owns
the company, indicated the $100,000 was money he had given to
Global."

The State Department "declined to comment," on the AP report,
which included testomony from Global Resources lobbyist David
Wimer:

"Wimer said he and fellow Global Resources lobbyist, former
Democratic Rep. Steve Solarz of New York, met with Saudi Defense
and Aviation Minister Prince Sultan in August, 1996."

Despite the apparent illegality of the donation, the DNC hung on
to the $100,000 for as long as possible:

"The DNC returned the money after the testimony was reported,
citing 'lingering uncertainty' about the source of the
contribution."

The report raises new and unanswered questions:

1) Did anyone at the DNC contact the State Department in the
Global Resources case, like former DNC Chairman Don Fowler
contacted the CIA on behalf of businessman Roger Tamraz?

2) Who solicited Global Resources' $100,000 donation to the DNC?

3) Was the contribution made in exchange for diplomatic or
political influence to settle a private business deal on behalf of
yet another big-money donor?
__________________________________________________

RNC News Release

January 9, 1998

RNC CHAIRMAN PRAISES INTERNET POSTING OF FEC REPORTS
"A big step toward full, wide and immediate disclosure"

WASHINGTON - The Chairman of the Republican National Committee,
today praised the Federal Election Commission (FEC) for their
decision to publish campaign finance reports on their Internet
site.

     "This development is a big step toward our goal of full, wide
and immediate campaign finance disclosure," said RNC Chairman Jim
Nicholson.

     The FEC web site allows Internet users to look up reports on
federal candidates, political parties and political action
committees.  Until now, people would have to travel to Washington
to examine the records, or pay for an expensive subscription
service to do so.

     "We have long believed that immediate and full disclosure is
crucial to restoring the credibility of political campaigns,"
Nicholson noted.

     All 1997-98 reports filed by PACs, political parties,
presidential and House campaigns are available for viewing.
Reports dating back to 1993 for PACs, parties and presidential
committees will be available in the coming weeks.

     The FEC's web site address is http://www.fec.gov

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:33:46 -0700
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Why Guns? - by L. Neil Smith

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Hi all!

I know many of you have already seen this, and I apologize for the
"rerun".  But Neil's article is so good that I want to do my part to
make sure it gets to as wide an audience as possible.

WHY  GUNS?

                       -- by L. Neil Smith --

          From the "Webley Page" <http://webley.zq.com/lneil/>

    Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million
words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of
guns and gun-ownership.  Naturally, I've thought about the issue a
lot, and it has _always_ determined the way I vote.

    People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single-issue
thinker, and a single-issue voter, but it isn't true.  What I've
chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to
focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably
demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made
of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

    Make no mistake:  all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the
side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me,
who insists on bringing it up.  They hate it because it's an X-ray
machine.  It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any
politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.

    If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his
average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking
into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun,
handgun, machinegun, _anything_ -- without producing ID or signing one
scrap of paper, he isn't your _friend_ no matter what he tells you.

    If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent
stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat
and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a
four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

    What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons --
conveys is his real attitude about _you_.  And if he doesn't trust
you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

    If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life,
do you want him in a position to control it?

    If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and
defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you
want to entrust him with _anything_?

    If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames
you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like
"Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself,
hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and
doesn't he really belong in _jail_?

    Sure, these are all leading questions.  They're the questions that
led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most
unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or
political philosophy -- is really made of.

    He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who
shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in
the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the
misdeeds of others?  Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of
group punishment when you left public school -- or the military?
Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe --
and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

    And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense
to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them?  Forget
about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about
_you_, and it has been, all along.

    Try it yourself:  if a politician won't trust you, why should you
trust him?  If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of
trust tell you about his real attitude toward women?  If "he" happens
to be a _woman_, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render
her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies
helped create?  Should you believe her when she says she wants to help
you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the
point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

    On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe
anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag
their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to
own and carry weapons?  What does this tell you about their real
motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group
trade agreement after another with other countries?

    Makes voting simpler, doesn't it?  You don't have to study every
issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use
this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty
words and find out how politicians really feel.  About you.  And that,
of course, is why they hate it.

    And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer,
thinker, and voter.

    But it isn't true, is it?

===================================

L. Neil Smith is the award-winning author of _Bretta Martyn_, _The
Probability Broach_, _The Crystal Empire_, _Henry Martyn_, _The Lando
Calrissian Adventures_, and _Pallas_.  He is also an NRA Life Member
and founder of the Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus.

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:53:07 -0700
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BATF --  Books(?), Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms

I have not spoken to Mr. Ross or to the PROponent personally to verify
this, but contact info is included, and my source is trusted and reliable.

I wonder if _now_ the ACLU will realize that the First and Second
Amendments are connected......

Sarah


Subject:      Has this happened to you?
From:         [e-mail] (John Ross)
Subject:      Has this happened to you?
From:         [e-mail] (John Ross)
Date:         1997/12/18
Message-ID:   <67cgt7$[e-mail]>
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      I just received this from a fellow who got it off the Ohio RKBA
list.   I would be interested in hearing from anyone with a similar
experience.  Two producers in the national media are planning 1998
pieces on the phenomenon of this book.  This is the kind of info they
need.

JR
**************************************************************************
The  PROponent
3953 Indianola Ave   Columbus, OH 43214   [phone]

Volume 9             November, 1997              Number 11

BOOK CONTROL ...

     How many years have we been screaming that it ISN'T just about
"gun control", it's all about RIGHTS CONTROL!  We have more proof.

     One of the dealers at our gun shows goes by the name of
"Winchester Man".  You may have seen him or even bought something
from him.  He has a bunch of gun socks and books for sale among
other items.  But the particular item of interest was the stack of
books "Unintended Consequences" he was selling.

     At this particular gun show (not one of ours nor in Ohio)
several "suits" showed up at his table and indicated that they were
unhappy with him selling the book.  They identified themselves as
ATF.

     Apparently they told him they couldn't FORCE him to stop
selling the novel, but he noted that they strongly seemed to imply
that they could make life tough for him if he didn't comply with
their wishes.  Most PRO members already know that this book is
highly critical of some of the BATF mentality we've seen in recent
times.

     So this is what it comes down to.   It's not just "gun
control" any more, but "book control" as well.  This goes right
along with "Internet control" and every other recent attack on the
Bill of Rights by so-called "federal" law enforcement.

     But here's the sad part.  Sure Winchester Man is pro-gun, but
he's not an activist like we are.  At this point in time he is
still just an ordinary business man trying to make a dollar. And he
told this editor that he is not about to buck the wishes of the
ATF, illegal or no.  He confided that he didn't make that much on
the books anyway, so that once he had them all sold, he wasn't
getting any more.

     This is the insidious part of government licensing, isn't it?
First, they tell you that "whatever" NEEDS to be "regulated"
through licensing, but once in place, this suddenly becomes a long
lever through which pressure can be applied to honest
businessmen/women.

     And I'll tell you what kept going through my mind as
"Winchester Man" was telling me how the sales of that book "weren't
that important".  Inside my head it wasn't Winchester Man talking,
but some German shopkeeper back in the thirties.  He was telling me
that he didn't want "trouble" from the Brown Shirts and even though
they didn't have the right to choose his customers, only a small
fraction of his business was from Jews anyway, so it didn't matter.

     It is PRO's suggestion to Winchester Man and anyone else
trying to avoid "trouble" from the socialist-fascist faction in our
government that they dig out a good history book and take a gander
at just the photographs...nothing else... of what Germany looked
like by the end of WW II.  THEN, having done that, come back and
tell us exactly how much "trouble" those shopkeepers saved
themselves in the end by going along with Nazi policy?

     The problem here seems to be that while Winchester Man has
read the book he is selling, somehow, the history of tyrants
contained therein seems to have not made a connection to the
present.  But there IS a connection.  Those who do not remember
history are often doomed to repeat it.

*************************************************************************

Thanks for any help.

JR

Read the book UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
Reviews are at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D1888118040
and
http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/95/123195vs.htm




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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:01 -0700
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Posted to rkba-co by Douglas Davis <[e-mail]>
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The Colorado Springs Police Department and the Pikes Peak Chapter of the
Firearms Coalition of Colorado have teamed up to present the following FREE
safety course to 'the children'.  With all the emphasis on 'the children',
here is a chance _do something_ to counter the anti-gunners!!  The course
description, location, and signup information is contained below.  Please do
all you can to make this service a success. Feel free to copy and distribute
and get as many of 'the children' involved as possible. And yes,  there is a
lot riding on this program for future involvent of the CSPD regarding
firearms safety instruction.

doug

HOME FIREARM SAFETY COURSE
Sponsored By Colorado Springs Police Department
And Pikes Peak Chapter of the Firearm Coalition of Colorado

COURSE DESCRIPTION:  The Home Firearm Safety Course is a 4-hour
Public Service Course designed to present the basic knowledge, skills
and explains the attitude necessary for the safe handling and storing
of guns in the home.  Even if a family does not own a firearm, a
neighbor may.  It is estimated that half the homes in America have
guns and that there are about 200-800 million guns nationwide.  Many
of these firearms are family heirlooms, antiques and war souvenirs;
therefore, it is possible that every person may come in contact with
a gun while visiting a friend or neighbor.

This course prepares children to handle such chance encounters in a
safe way.  Parents also learn how to teach safe and responsible
manners to their children in case they encounter an unsupervised
firearm at a friend's home.  The objective of this course is to teach
the basic knowledge, skills and attitude necessary for the safe and
proper handling of air guns and firearms.

This course includes training on gun parts and operation,
ammunition, safety, cleaning, storage and unloading procedures.  The
course will also familiarize participants with procedures and
guidelines for storing pistols,  rifles, and shotguns in the home.
The concept of "discovery learning" - hands on learning - is used.  A
special emphasis on children and gun safety will be the focus of this
instruction.

This is NOT a Hunter Safety Course and does NOT involve any live
ammunition or the firing of any firearm.
CLASS PARTICIPANTS SHOULD NOT BRING ANY FIREARMS OR AMMUNITION TO
THIS CLASS.

WHO MAY ATTEND:     Children age 11 to 15 years old, which MUST be
accompanied by a Parent or Legal Guardian.
Children age 16 to 17 years old parents are requested to attend.

WHEN AND WHERE:     Saturday, January 17th Police Operation Center
Community Room 705 S. Nevada Ave. Time: 9AM - 1 P.M.
OR
Saturday, January 24th Police Operations Center Community Room 705 S.
Nevada Ave. Time: 6PM - 10 P.M.

TO SIGN UP: You must RSVP prior to the class by calling 444-7281.

This is a FREE community service by The Colorado Springs Police
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I have not spoken to Mr. Ross or to the PROponent personally to verify
this, but contact info is included, and my source is trusted and reliable.

I wonder if _now_ the ACLU will realize that the First and Second
Amendments are connected......

Sarah


Subject:      Has this happened to you?
From:         [e-mail] (John Ross)
Subject:      Has this happened to you?
From:         [e-mail] (John Ross)
Date:         1997/12/18
Message-ID:   <67cgt7$[e-mail]>
Newsgroups:   rec.guns
[More Headers]


      I just received this from a fellow who got it off the Ohio RKBA
list.   I would be interested in hearing from anyone with a similar
experience.  Two producers in the national media are planning 1998
pieces on the phenomenon of this book.  This is the kind of info they
need.

JR
**************************************************************************
The  PROponent
3953 Indianola Ave   Columbus, OH 43214   [phone]

Volume 9             November, 1997              Number 11

BOOK CONTROL ...

     How many years have we been screaming that it ISN'T just about
"gun control", it's all about RIGHTS CONTROL!  We have more proof.

     One of the dealers at our gun shows goes by the name of
"Winchester Man".  You may have seen him or even bought something
from him.  He has a bunch of gun socks and books for sale among
other items.  But the particular item of interest was the stack of
books "Unintended Consequences" he was selling.

     At this particular gun show (not one of ours nor in Ohio)
several "suits" showed up at his table and indicated that they were
unhappy with him selling the book.  They identified themselves as
ATF.

     Apparently they told him they couldn't FORCE him to stop
selling the novel, but he noted that they strongly seemed to imply
that they could make life tough for him if he didn't comply with
their wishes.  Most PRO members already know that this book is
highly critical of some of the BATF mentality we've seen in recent
times.

     So this is what it comes down to.   It's not just "gun
control" any more, but "book control" as well.  This goes right
along with "Internet control" and every other recent attack on the
Bill of Rights by so-called "federal" law enforcement.

     But here's the sad part.  Sure Winchester Man is pro-gun, but
he's not an activist like we are.  At this point in time he is
still just an ordinary business man trying to make a dollar. And he
told this editor that he is not about to buck the wishes of the
ATF, illegal or no.  He confided that he didn't make that much on
the books anyway, so that once he had them all sold, he wasn't
getting any more.

     This is the insidious part of government licensing, isn't it?
First, they tell you that "whatever" NEEDS to be "regulated"
through licensing, but once in place, this suddenly becomes a long
lever through which pressure can be applied to honest
businessmen/women.

     And I'll tell you what kept going through my mind as
"Winchester Man" was telling me how the sales of that book "weren't
that important".  Inside my head it wasn't Winchester Man talking,
but some German shopkeeper back in the thirties.  He was telling me
that he didn't want "trouble" from the Brown Shirts and even though
they didn't have the right to choose his customers, only a small
fraction of his business was from Jews anyway, so it didn't matter.

     It is PRO's suggestion to Winchester Man and anyone else
trying to avoid "trouble" from the socialist-fascist faction in our
government that they dig out a good history book and take a gander
at just the photographs...nothing else... of what Germany looked
like by the end of WW II.  THEN, having done that, come back and
tell us exactly how much "trouble" those shopkeepers saved
themselves in the end by going along with Nazi policy?

     The problem here seems to be that while Winchester Man has
read the book he is selling, somehow, the history of tyrants
contained therein seems to have not made a connection to the
present.  But there IS a connection.  Those who do not remember
history are often doomed to repeat it.

*************************************************************************

Thanks for any help.

JR

Read the book UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
Reviews are at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D1888118040
and
http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/95/123195vs.htm



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    Chris,

    [...]
    In Pittsburgh, hizzoner da mare wanted to set up
surveillance cameras in "high crime" areas.
    [...]

    It should be noted that the antis can usually be
identified by their lack of ability, or refusal to identify
the cause of a problem, and their equally lacking ability to
figure out a solution that doesn't punish everybody.

    First, they will observe that an inanimate object
was used in the commission of a crime.
    They then figure that if all such objects are
eliminated that the problem of that particular crime will
just simply vanish.
    We know better.
    Their thinking is two dimensional, it does not
consider the third object or dimension: motivation.
    Crime happens in most instances - in my estimation -
when three things are in consonance:
    a reason
    a willingness to hurt others
    an enabling motive - usually the lack of punishment,
and it appears, the ease with which a crime may be successfully
committed.

    The antis see their solution as a straight line cause-and-
effect: The tool caused the crime, death and/or injury were the
effect. They neglect to consider the basic reference here: The prime
mover - the human element. If we were to remove objects from the
face of the earth simply on the premises of the anti's arguments,
we would soon be left with no planet upon which to argue this point.

    The second thing here, is that the antis resort to the
lowest common denominator as the standard by which any who
live in 'society', as a whole, are judged - excepting those who
possess great wealth or power. Therefore, the will to place
cameras throughout the 'bad' section of town. Try placing them
in the 'good' section of town - or at the ritz.
    Hence, since all of 'society' is suspect of possible
criminal behavior or of doing so in the future, they must be denied
the most basic of Rights - self-defence.

    This then must be a crtical argument to be applied to
_their_ agument when it is raised: who is the criminal and why are
the law abiding being punished for something they have not done?
    The corollary buttressing arguments to our position are
written far and wide.
    One such corollary easily recalled is the fact of ownership of
firearms by no less that 50 percent of the American citizenry,
yet the fact of no massive crime wave by _those_ citizens is legend.
    It is only those who are not possessed of a modicum of
respect for the laws and a better amount their fellow citizens,
who are as criminals.
    And equally so, it is the antis who proclaim a solution
to any problem is the removel of Rights to make all citizens more
equal, but in essence victimizes those same citizens, for they are
made to rely on laws which do nothing, and upon a police state
which could care less about the citizen.
    Those so inclinded to rally for more police should remember
one very important thing, that more police equals more taxes and litte
else, and the one's calling are usually the one's who want no responsibility
for their own lives - read: I refuse to carry an arm for my own
self-protection.

ET




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Posted to texas-gun-owners by "Chris W. Stark" <[e-mail]>
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                      The Not-So-Funny Clown

The notoriously anti-gun Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has teamed
up with several other organizations, most notably Ronald McDonald
House,
on a project that will result in lessening of parental authority over
school children's mental health treatment. The program will also
result
in pressure from school officials for parents to disarm themselves.

The Team Up To Save Lives program is being marketed as an anti-suicide
strategy for teachers in our schools, but after viewing the entire
program, GOA has discovered that the underlying purpose of the program
is to force parents, through guilt tactics, to voluntarily disarm
themselves.

What this program does is "educate" teachers to possible signs of
"risk"
in students, and then encourages them to refer students to the school
counselors, who are advised by the program to take action. Sometimes
these actions can consist of your child being treated psychologically
and psychiatrically without parental consent, if the school official
thinks such treatment is warranted.

If and when your child is deemed "at risk" (and may be deemed so by
virtually ANY behavioral change), you may be visited by school
officials
who are instructed to get you to dispose of the firearms in your home,
so as to protect the child from him/herself.

The program, which GOA has viewed on CD-Rom, contains video clip
examples for teachers to effectively employ guilt tactics in order
to frighten parents into relinquishing their firearms.

The entire program is nothing more than a front for liberal anti-gun
rhetoric to be fed to the American family. One GOA staffer even took
all four teachers' exams included with the program and earned a
certificate after reading only three of the four test sections.
How, you may ask? He simply answered anti-gun and pro-government
intervention, receiving a perfect score!

Gun owners should protect themselves and their families from such
naive
attempts at thought control. The push for "conformity for the sake of
our children" is one more attempt to drag us into an era where the
state, not the family, dictates how our children are raised.

Gun owners need to resist the attempts of clowns like Ronald McDonald
and his liberal cronies to dictate our parenting.


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Gun Owners of America
Chris W. Stark - Texas Representative
P.O. Box 1924
Crosby, TX 77532-1924
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Visit our Web Page at: http://www.GOA-Texas.org

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:40:24 -0700
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sports Illustrated and g

>From:   INTERNET:[e-mail], INTERNET:[e-mail]
>To:     Alan Chwick, AJChwick_Family
>
>Date:   1/14/98  3:53 PM
>
>RE:     Message from Internet
>
>At the very end of the January 12th, 1998 edition of Sports Illustrated,
>there is an article titled "Wishful Thinking" by Rick Reilly, the article is
>sub-titled "Our intrepid reporter wouldn't want to put words in anybody's
>mouth, but..."  The article begins "Please, please, please let us read these
>quotes in 1998.  The article is a selection of hypothetical quotes from
>sports figures that were obviously meant to be humorous, until you get to
>near the end.  Then comes this quote that he's hoping for "I guess I just
>couldn't stand it anymore, seeing schoolkids get shot up with
>semiautomatics.  I guarantee you, nobody I hunt with needs a 9mm Heckler and
>Koch semiautomatic to shoot a rabbit.  We're done with them.  Starting today
>we'll work to ban all semi- and fully automaitc guns.  We need to get a
>whole lot of blood off our hands." - Marion Hammer, NRA President.  I am
>growing tired of this, I should be able to read a sports magazine for God's
>sake without putting up with this.  I'm writing Sports Illustrated to
>complain and informing them that I will NOT be renewing my subscription
>(ESPN magazine will do me fine, thank you).  I encourage everyone to write
>and complain about this, this is a magazine kids read and shouldn't be used
>to influence them in this way.  You can write to Sports Illustrated by
>sending a letter with your name, address, and home telephone number to:
>
>The Editor, Sports Illustrated
>Time & Life Building
>New York, NY 10020-1393
>
>or you can fax letters to 212-467-4049, you can also email letters to
>[e-mail]
>
>I highly encourage you all to write and let your voices be heard, feel free
>to forward this message to any appropriate mailing groups or other lists.
>
>Michael G. Moen
>[e-mail]
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 18:01:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: MAYOR ALBANO COMMENTS on the CONSTITUTION!!

See email addresses in the last included message by Ken Larsen,
before the message with the FAX number. - Scott

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:23:56 -0500
From: Bob & Karen Powell <[e-mail]>

Springfield, MA
WHYN radio 560 AM
1/13/98 6:30pm
Springfield Mayor talking with a caller
about a proposed trigger lock ordinence
and the U.S. Constitution.

Ok folks, now I am downright angry.
I was just listening to Mayor Albano on the
Dan York radio show. Someone called in and
asked him about the constitutionality
of the trigger lock ordinance. I can't
remember word for word but it went
something like this:

Caller: Where in the constitution do
you find the right to pass a law like this?

Albano: Oh, you don't believe that ......

Caller: The constitution says our right
to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Some discussion back and forth about about
the 2nd amendment and then:

Albano: There IS NO right to own guns, thats why
you need permits and FID cards etc.

Arrrrrrrggggggggggg!!!!! (that was me screeming at the radio)

Also, when this caller was talking about the
constitution, York was making comments that this
guy sounded like a McVeigh or a right wing radical.

Folks, these people think the constitution
is nothing more that a piece of toilet paper.
This is what we are up against. God help us.

Bob Powell


Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:43:40 -0500
To: Bob & Karen Powell <[e-mail]>
From: JVS <[e-mail]>

Bob, I hope this meets your approval, cuz the send button has already
been pressed! I sent this to another list "Fratrum".

If you have any problem with this, Please let me know. I take full
responsibility for this message that was sent.

I received this message from Bob Powell this evening. I conversed with
Bob about this, & we would like to see the following things take place:

1. E-mail the mayor and let him know that there is a right to own guns!!
Tell him that he needs to, at the very least, read the constitution if
he is an elected official.

2. Follow up with a phone call or letter.

If you don't believe that the elected officials are ignoring the
constitution, this should do the trick for you. Let's let them know
that THE PEOPLE are not ignorant!!!

Mayors Office
Springfield City Hall
36 Court Street
Springfield, MA 01103
413-787-6100
e-mail: [e-mail]

WHY BE POLITICALLY CORRECT, WHEN YOU CAN BE RIGHT?
Jay Shore


Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:07:36 -0700
From: "Dr. Ken Larsen" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: The right to keep and bear arms

Dear Mayor Albano,

I just read on the Internet a curious post quoting you as saying in a radio
interview something like: "There IS NO right to own guns." Please tell me
that was a terrible misquote and that we are still living in an America
where politicians take an oath and have an idea what the Constitution is
about.

Thank you for your reassurance of a concerned citizen of faraway Utah.

Dr. Ken Larsen


Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:05:14 -0700
From: "Dr. Ken Larsen" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail],
    [e-mail], [e-mail],
    [e-mail],
    [e-mail],
    [e-mail], [e-mail],
    [e-mail]

". . . the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed." US Constitution, 2nd Amendment.

Similar language is contained in the Constitution of the Commonwealth of
Massachusetts: PART THE FIRST, Article XVII. "The people have a right to
keep and to bear arms for the common defence."

Could anything be more plain? Can those words possibly be twisted to allow
government to mandate trigger locks on privately-owned arms? Has everyone
in Springfield lost their copy of the Constitution?

Please, please, reread the Second Amendment and then reread Article VI,
Paragraph 3. "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the
Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial
Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be
bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;" Similar words
are in the Massachusetts Constitution.

Are not Mayors and City councilors included in Art VI, para 3? Are they
not required to support the Constitution? Can they keep their oath to
support the Constitution while supporting an unconstitutional city
ordinance that infringes the right of the citizens of Springfield "to keep
and bear arms"?

Please explain, or apologize for this oversight and reaffirm your oath to
support ALL of the Constitution, including the 2nd Amendment.

Dr. Ken Larsen
[e-mail]

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:33:25 -0500
From: Bob & Karen Powell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mayor albano's fax number

Our thanks to everyone for coming through on this one.
The mayor is receiving many more messages than I am
sure he ever expected.

We just received Mayor Michael Albano's fax # which is:

FAX # [phone]

Thanks to Jay Shore for tracking it down.

If we could use up a few rolls of fax paper, that would
help get our message across even more.

Mayors Office
Springfield City Hall
36 Court Street
Springfield, MA 01103
413-787-6100
e-mail [e-mail]

Karen



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