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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Bill of Rights Day,HB 112 Success, More backdoor gun control
Date: 02 Feb 2001 11:33:35 -0700

Courtesy of UTGOA...

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Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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BILL OF RIGHTS DAY
HB 112
BACK DOOR GUN CONTROL


REMEMBER!  The Government Operations Committee will hear the two Bill of
Rights Day bills at 8 AM Friday in Room 405.  Please plan to attend and
show your support for the Bill of Rights!


GOOD NEWS!  HB 112, Prevention of Retaliatory Lawsuits, was passed
UNANIMOUSLY by the House Judiciary Committee today.  This bill helps
protect activists from frivolous lawsuits designed to silence them.  HB
112
now goes to the entire House.  Please call YOUR Representative and tell
him/her you expect a YES vote on HB 112.  And thanks to those of you who
called committee members.  Your hard work is paying off.


BACK DOOR GUN CONTROL

Thanks to dedicated gun rights activists like you, the anti-gun forces
know
they face a difficult battle to disarm Utahns.  You may have noted that
we
have fewer overt anti-gun bills this year, as compared with previous
years.

The anti-gun forces know that a bill titled "Revoking Gun Rights on a
Whim"
would never pass the legislature.

That's why anti-gunners are now trying to sneak gun control legislation
past us.  They're doing this by using the appropriations process to
bypass
public discussion.

The appropriations committees have the task of allocating money to all of

our many state agencies and programs.  The standing committees debate and

vote on bills that, if passed, become law.  But appropriations committees

can also be used to bypass the legislative process and fund "rules" and
"programs" that have the same effect as laws.

For the past several years, the anti-gun forces have tried to enact
back-door gun control by way of the mental health system.  They know that

committing someone for alleged mental illness is the quickest and easiest

way to revoke most of that person's rights - including his right to own a

firearm.

Once a person is committed, he loses his right to own a gun forever -
even
if he was wrongfully committed or if he has completely recovered.  There
is
currently no way to get these records expunged or to get rights
restored.  (Even violent criminals can have their records expunged and
can
petition for restoration of rights.)

There are many reasons that psychiatric commitment is such a great gun
control tactic.  A person accused of being mentally ill has very little
in
the way of due process.

He doesn't get a jury trial.  The usual standards of evidence are thrown
out the window, so that hearsay and conjecture are admissible evidence,
and
he's forced to testify against himself.  The standards for commitment are

low.  No one has to be proven mentally ill "beyond a reasonable
doubt".  Instead all that's necessary is somebody's belief that he is an
"immediate danger to himself, others or property".  (And the Division of
Mental Health is trying to loosen even that standard!)

In addition, once the person is committed, he's forced to pay for his own

incarceration and drugging.  (Even murderers don't have to pay for their
imprisonment!)  If he doesn't have money, the federal government chips
in.  So, the more people committed, the more money the Division of Mental

Health gets.

That's right.  The Division of Mental Health gets more money for each
person whose rights they revoke.  And the Division is notoriously
anti-gun.

The major limitation on how many people can be committed is money and
space.  Most committed people are treated in psychiatric hospitals.
There
are only so many beds and so much money.  So it's not possible to commit
tens or hundreds of thousands of people each year.  It's not possible to
lock up every "right-wing extremist" or "paranoid gun nut", drug them
into
submission and revoke their right to self defense forever.

The "solution" to this "problem" is a program called PACT or Program for
Assertive Community Treatment.  PACT allows people to be committed while
living in their own homes and working at their own jobs.  A state mental
health worker or law enforcement officer comes to the person's home and
makes sure he is taking his medications and complying with all the other
terms of commitment.  This can involve not only forced drugging, but
warrantless searches.

Once the person is committed, he loses his right to own a gun, is no
longer
eligible to serve in the military, and is disqualified from many other
jobs
that require background checks.

And while currently one needs to be an "immediate danger" to get
committed,
both Gov. Leavitt and the Division of Mental Health have said that they
would like to expand commitment to anything the division considers
"mental
illness".  This includes such "mental illnesses" as poor housekeeping,
poor
hygiene, failure to pay child support on time, inability to hold a job,
homelessness, and loitering.

PACT is not only a threat to gun rights, it is a threat to ALL civil
rights.  If a person truly is a danger to himself or others, he should
not
be living at home.  If he's not a danger to himself or others, he should
be
left alone unless he agrees to psychiatric treatment.

To clarify:  UTGOA has no objection to PACT if it is VOLUNTARY.
Providing
care to non-violent mentally ill people in their homes is certainly
preferable to locking them in hospitals - if they agree to the treatment.

However, no one should be forced to take mind-altering drugs against his
will.  And no one should have his rights revoked permanently without
being
convicted of a crime by a jury of his peers.

Currently the Division of Mental Health is asking for over $800,000 for 4

PACT teams.  The plan is ultimately to implement PACT statewide

Please contact the members of the Health and Human Services
Appropriations
committee and ask them to remove PACT from the Division of Mental Health
budget.

Rep Seitz Chair, [e-mail], 435-789-0650
Sen David Steele Chair, [e-mail], 801-825-3033
Sen D. Edgar Allen, [e-mail] 801-392-1050
Rep Trish Beck, [e-mail], 801-572-2325
Sen Curtis Bramble, [e-mail], 801-226-3663
Rep David Hogue, [e-mail], 801-254-1668
Rep David Litvak, [e-mail], 801-596-0187
Rep Becky Lockhart, [e-mail], 801-377-7428
Sen Steve Poulton, [e-mail], 801-272-4338
Rep Carl Saunders, [e-mail], 801-476-1110
Rep Matt Throckmorton, [e-mail], 801-489-8342

Please remember to be POLITE!  Most of these legislators are not aware of

the problems with PACT.  They've been told it's a "compassionate" program

to "help the mentally ill".  Your job is not to call them names, but to
explain the problems with PACT, and the very real threat to our civil
liberties.

***** Clip and Send*******

Honorable Members of the Health and Human Services Appropriations
Committee,

I am writing to ask you to remove funding for PACT (Program for Assertive

Community Treatment) from the Division of Mental Health Budget, and to
refuse to approve the budget unless PACT is removed.

PACT is a very serious threat to civil liberties.  People who have not
committed a crime, and are living in their own homes should not be forced

to take mind-altering drugs against their will.  And people who are a
threat to themselves or others should not be living in the community.

I am also concerned that PACT might be used to revoke the rights of
peaceful citizens who have "politically incorrect" ideas, belong to
minority religions, own guns, etc.  Of particular concern is that once
someone is committed, he loses his right to own a gun forever - even if
the
commitment was unjustified or if he has fully recovered.  Likewise,
someone
who is committed may lose custody of his own children, and may be
prohibited from holding certain jobs or serving in the military.

I do not want my tax dollars used to revoke the rights of my fellow
citizens or to force people to take mind-altering drugs.

Please OPPOSE PACT, and make sure it is removed from the Division of
Mental
Health Budget.

Thank you.

Your name
Your address


Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: CCW article in today's SLTrib
Date: 03 Feb 2001 17:56:17 -0700

I have mixed feelings on this article.  On the one hand, a single written
test may curb problems and concerns over the very few bad instructors who
are not teaching what they should.  OTOH, it could very well serve as the
first step towards the State limiting the availability of permits.
Perhaps requiring a standard, State written tests to be administered by
current instructors would be ok.  Thoughts?

The section about raising prices on permits is of concern as well.
People should not be taxed at all in order to exercise God given,
Constitutionally enumerated and protected rights.  My attitude is that,
as a gun owner, permits and background checks don't do me a bit of good.
They are to calm the fears of the gun phobes and thus benefit only them.
Thus, they--and not I--should be paying for them.

The final sentence gives some comfort this time around, but we should
maybe be watching closely just to make sure nothing slips through.

From today's SLTrib, <http://www.sltrib.com/02032001/utah/68279.htm>


Audit Says Gun-Safety Program a Failure
  Lawmakers urged to replace loose concealed-gun training with a
  mandatory state test
                                                              Saturday,
February 3,
                                                              2001


      BY DAN HARRIE
      SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

          Legislative auditors recommend the state consider junking the
      gun-safety program used to qualify citizens for concealed-weapons
      permits.
          An audit released Friday in the Capitol says Utah's Concealed
Carry
      Weapon (CCW) Program is dramatically underfunded and lacks the
      resources to oversee safety training courses.
          "At present there is no evidence that CCW permit holders are
actually
      taught or understand the state's laws on allowable uses of deadly
force or
      safe weapons-handling techniques," said the audit by Legislative
Auditor
      General Wayne Welsh.
          Courses intended to ensure people are competent to handle guns
and
      knowledgeable about laws regulating firearms use range over a "wide
      spectrum," said the report, "from a bare minimum offering intended
only
      to meet the letter of the law to hands-on training designed to
improve
      weapon handling and proficiency."
          The audit recommended lawmakers consider getting rid of the
current
      system that requires training by one of hundreds of private
instructors and
      replacing it with a simple written state test.
          "A state-regulated testing program may offer greater control
and
      evidence that applicants at least have an understanding of Utah's
laws,
      use of lethal force and weapons handling and safety than the loose
system
      for firearms-familiarity instruction now in place," said the
report.
          Auditors also found that taxpayers subsidize the current
      concealed-carry weapon program to the tune of $144,000 annually.
          Fees charged for weapons permits run $59, including $24 needed
for
      FBI background checks and the rest to the state. Last year, the
state
      received $307,400 in fees revenue. But the cost of the program was
      $451,800.
          Moreover, the fees collected on concealed-weapons permits are
not
      earmarked for the licensing program. Lawmakers budget just $88,000
      for the activity, requiring the Bureau of Criminal Identification
to shift
      about $363,834 from other services, including Brady Act
gun-purchase
      background checks.
          Auditors recommended raising the fees to better reflect the
cost of the
      program. They also urged lawmakers to boost the annual
appropriation
      -- which has remained flat for several years even though
liberalization of
      the concealed-carry laws in 1994 has pushed the number of permit
      holders from about 1,000 to more than 39,000.
          The audit findings parallel revelations in a 1999 Salt Lake
Tribune
      investigation.
          A review of gun safety-training by the newspaper concluded that
there
      were "serious flaws" in the system and that the quality of courses
offered
      by state-certified instructors was "wildly uneven, ranging from
seven-hour
      sessions that include firing-range time to sham classes that appear
mainly
      designed to provide supplemental income to lax instructors."
          "Utah may be playing Russian roulette with how it ensures that
people
      licensed to carry concealed weapons are competent to handle guns
and
      knowledgeable about gun laws."
          Of seven classes sampled by Tribune reporters, five were deemed
      good to excellent and two were poor.
          In the worst case, instructor Celeste Morgan charged $75 for a
      one-hour session in which no gun was ever introduced to satisfy
      requirements of safe loading and handling. She signed off on the
      certification even though the form was otherwise blank, and could
have
      been used by someone other than the student.
          House Majority Leader Kevin Garn, R-Layton, attempted to pass
      legislation last year requiring that a concealed-weapon applicant
      demonstrate shooting proficiency. He dropped it in the face of
      overwhelming opposition.
          "The problem is there are a lot of instructors out there that
make
      money. They have the ability to send panic through the gun
community,
      and they don't want the laws to change," said Garn.
          "We've got people coming out of those classes who have no idea
how
      to use a gun," he said, adding the auditors' idea of a state test
might be a
      good solution.
          But, Garn added, "it's too late in the [legislative] session to
do anything
      now." The current Legislature ends Feb. 28.
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sen. Stepheson town meeting
Date: 04 Feb 2001 00:23:50 -0700

Sen. Howard Stephenson is having a town meeing this coming Wednesday,
Feb. 7 at 7:00 pm in the Sandy City Hall.

While Sen. Stepheson has traditionally been on the right side of the gun
issue, it would be nice if pro-gun folks were there in force to remind
him we really do expect him to be very pro-active in preserving and
regaining our rights.

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From: "larry larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: CCW article in today's SLTrib
Date: 04 Feb 2001 09:25:28 -0700



I am an instructor in Southern Utah (that doesnÆt mean Provo for you in
Northern Utah):>)

I don't know about all the other instructors here, but I know myself, and
one other, who spend our fair share amount of time putting forth the
doctrine the state "says" they would like to have put forth. Not that I
agree with it that much, as I am of the type that knows carrying a weapon is
a God giving right not a state right, even thought we are currently stuck in
the state mentality, which comes with the support of a good many so called
"freedom loving people".  I also know, because of years of teaching pistol
craft, that you can't teach someone to shoot for fifty bucks in a two hour
range session.

I don't see how a state test,  on the form of a questionnaire or multiple
guess type test, would be better than the current system. Take for example
the drivers test, which anyone with half a brain, or someone just dropped
out of a space ship from Mars could pass with a 10 minute look in the little
book they have there.  How could such a test show a persons ability to load
or shoot a gun?  Da? Do I miss something here? No, I don't think I do, I see
the real intent, and that is getting a foot in the door for another state
bureaucracy, which would be on the order of the drivers license bureau, (I
am trying to keep this civil and not say what I am thinking about that
department).

No we don't want to see this testing of applicants for CC handed over to the
state.  If the state is paying so much now for what is being achieved, in
their minds, think how much it would cost if you had to pay the state for
the same thing. It would cost the applicant thousands of dollars for the
permit, all this because each little bureaucracy that starts up has to suck,
feed and grow, and the sad part, it wouldn't solve a single problem, except
in the eyes of the left, it would halt the number of applicants, and permit
holders. I guess that would be a plus for some.

All anyone has to do is look at the source of this message, a government
worker, and the leftist press to tell what the real intent is.  Why not ask
the people who have taken these little classes, or who would like to take
one, but don't quite have the fifty bucks or so that it now costs to take
it.  Ask them if they are getting their monies worth, paying for something
that shouldn't even cost them a dime?

Thanks Charles for the alert.

Larry


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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Committee hearings TUESDAY, Meeting with Legislators, Another VICTORY
Date: 05 Feb 2001 22:39:37 -0700


Some good news and some more calls to action.

Please note two town meetings being held by legislators and try to attend
one of them.

----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------
Committee Hearings Tuesday
Meeting with Sen. Stephenson
Meeting with Utah County legislators
Bill updates and a VICTORY


REMINDER!  Please plan to attend the House Law Enforcement and Criminal
Justice Committee hearing Tuesday, 8 AM, Room 225 at the State
Capitol.  The following bills will be discussed:

HB 274 - OLYMPIC VENUE SITES  This bill would ban lawful concealed carry
at
the State Capitol and Salt Lake City-County Bldg. for roughly 3 months
around the Olympics.  It would do nothing to prevent criminals from
carrying firearms in those locations.

See the Feb. 3 alert
http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/020301.html for more details

and a list of legislators to contact.

It is rumored that Rep. Ure is planning to "modify" this bill, or even
kill
it.  But no one ever knows what's really going to happen until it
happens.  It's important to show up to oppose HB 274 and to make sure
legislators know that gun control bills will meet with strong and
organized
opposition.

HB 266 - RESTORATION OF RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS will also be discussed at this

committee.  UTGOA has not yet seen the new version of the bill.
According
to bill sponsor, Rep. Throckmorton, the intent is to provide a way for
persons prohibited from owning firearms to have their rights restored.


MEETINGS WITH LEGISLATORS

UTAH COUNTY
The Utah County Delegation is having a report meeting for all citizens
Thursday night, February 8 from 7-9 p.m. at Lakeridge Junior High-900
South
400 West, Orem.

Rep. Mike Thompson has requested that gun rights supporters attend this
meeting.  As you know, Rep. Thompson is sponsoring two pro-gun bills this

session: firearms safety education in schools and "Vermont" carry which
recognizes the right to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.

It is now up to US to show our appreciation for Rep. Thompson's
willingness
to sponsor pro-gun bills, and to convince our elected officials to vote
for
them.  If you live in Utah County - or even if you don't! - PLEASE plan
to
attend.

SENATOR HOWARD STEPHENSON - Sandy
Sen. Howard Stephenson is having a town meeting Wednesday, Feb. 7 at 7:00

pm in the Sandy City Hall.

Sen. Stephenson is generally friendly towards gun rights.  However, he
had
only a 44% correct voting record last year.  He would undoubtedly benefit

by hearing from constituents who would like him to support all of our
pro-gun bills this year.  He could also use some encouragement to sign on

as co-sponsor for some/all of them.


BILL UPDATES

HB 112 (Prevention of Retaliatory Lawsuits), HB 133 and HJR 10 (Bill of
Rights Day) are on the House third (final) reading calendar.  Please make

sure your Representative knows you expect a YES vote on these bills.
Votes
may be as soon as tomorrow.

VICTORY!  HB 222 (Tax Credit for Safes) was defeated in the House today
by
a vote of 30-42.  Thank you for your assistance in defeating this bill.

SB 87 (Antique Firearms Amendments) passed the Senate Transportation
Committee today.  This bill exempts antique firearms from current gun
control laws.  UTGOA is neutral on this bill.  Please let your Senator
know
how you would like him to vote.

Utah Gun Owners Alliance expects to have bill language on HB 345 (Vermont

carry) and HB 376 (Concealed Carry Reciprocity) in the next few days.  So

far, we are very optimistic about these bills, and appreciate Reps.
Thompson and Donnelson for their willingness to sponsor pro-gun bills.

Remember -  You can get the full text of each bill by going to
www.le.state.ut.us and clicking on bills.  You can also link to each bill

from the UTGOA web site.

Our bill analyses are posted at
http://www.utgoa.org/resources/2001bills.html  Due to the very short and
busy legislative session, our bill status information is sometimes less
current than the official state web site.

Do you know someone who should be on the Utah Gun Owners Alliance phone
tree?  If so, please have them call Utah Gun Owners Alliance at
801-566-1625.

Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
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From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Vermont Carry HB 345
Date: 07 Feb 2001 09:09:50 -0700

DAve Hansen advises:

-----

Note: I found out last night that Speaker Stephens is attempting to cut
a deal with Representatives Thompson and Donnelson (who are sponsoring
three pro-gun bills--Vermont Carry HB 345, Gun Safety Law Amendments, or
gun safety education in schools HB 264, and Reciprocity or recognition
of CCW permits from all states). The deal is that if Thompson stops
pushing through the Vermont Carry bill, the other two will get support.
The real reason for this is that legislators do not want to have to vote
on Vermont Carry, because it will show their true colors and allow us to
use it against them in coming elections. Please make your feelings known.

Dave

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Rep. Swallow Town Meeting
Date: 07 Feb 2001 16:10:52 -0700

Sorry for the late notice, I just learned of this one.  I do not know if
this will be in the same room as Sen. Stephenson's town meeting or not.
It appears that the main item of focus for Swallow's meeting will be his
Universal Tuition Tax Credit bill.  But, given the leadership that is
slated to be there, it looks like a fine opportunity to bring up gun
issues.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

-----Begin Forwarded Message----

Rep. John Swallow will be holding a town meeting at Sandy City Hall
tonight (Wednesday) at 7:30.  This meeting offers those in the Sandy area
an opportunity to thank him personally for introducing his tuition tax
credit bill yesterday.

I also offers us an opportunity to communicate our views on this bill
with members of the leadership, because John will be accompanied by Al
Mansell, President of the Senate (who was at the news conference
yesterday) and House Speaker Marty Stevens (who was not).

Those of you who helped make yesterday such a success can follow up with
a show of support for Rep. Swallow tonight.  Those who couldn't make it
to the Capitol during working hours yesterday can make amends by showing
up tonight.
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Update: Town Meeting in Sandy
Date: 07 Feb 2001 17:12:09 -0700

It appears that Sen. Stephenson's and Rep. Swallow's town meetings at the
Sandy City Hall this evening have been combined into a single meeting.
House Speaker Stephens and Senate President Mansell are scheduled to be
in attendance as well.

I have no info on the confict on the start time so my suggestion is show
up in time to get good seats should the meeting start at 7:00pm but don't
be too surprised if it doesn't start until 7:30.

Please dress appropriately.  IOW, please avoid T shirts (no matter how
catchy the slogan) and if you really must wear cammo, please make it
"urban cammo" also known as a suit and tie.  :)  Clean jeans and a
collared shirt (pollo or full button down) are very appropriate for the
men.  Let's do our best to make sure our elected officials and the media
don't have any "gun nuts" to photograph tonight but rather have
respectable, tax paying, voting citizens who happen to value their right
to self defense.

Thanks and I hope to see you there.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Action: Attend Sen. Comm. Mtg-HB179
Date: 07 Feb 2001 22:22:06 -0700

Another reminder on the Paycheck Protection Bill Hearing.  This bill
would do much to protect our gun rights.  It has passed the house and is
now in the Senate.  It passed the Senate the last two years so should do
well this year.  Turn out to support it if possible or simply contact the
committee members via phone or email.

Committee members are:

Sen. Dan R. Eastman, Chair (R)                968 Canyon Creast Dr.

Bountiful,Utah 84010

Phone[phone]

[e-mail]

Sen. Curtis S. Bramble (R)                        3663 N. 870 E.
                                                               Provo,
Utah 84604

Phone[phone]

[e-mail]

Sen. Gene Davis (D)                                 865 Parkway Ave
                                                               Salt Lake
City, Utah 84106

Office(801)263-7108

Home(801)484-9428

[e-mail]

Sen. Parley Hellewell  (R)                        492 South 1000 West
                                                               Orem, Utah
84058

Home(801)226-3034

[e-mail]

[e-mail]

Sen. Ed P. Mayne  (D)                            5044 West Bannock Circle
                                                               West
Valley City, Utah 84120

Office(801)972-2771

Home(801)968-7756

Fax[phone]

[e-mail]

Sen. L. Steven Poulton (R)                        4524 Briarcreek Dr.
                                                               Salt Lake
City, Utah 84117

Office(801)484-4477

Home(801)272-4338

Fax[phone]

[e-mail]
----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------

Action: Attend the Senate Business, Labor, and Economic Development
Committee Meeting that is scheduled to consider HB179, Payroll
Protection,
Thursday, 4 p.m., Room 403.

Tomorrow's agenda has HB179 seventh and last on the agenda.  I can't
guarantee they'll get to it, but if you can make it to the committee
meeting, it would be great.  I can guarantee the unions will be there in
large numbers, and we need to balance it.  Being later in the day than
most,
I hope more of us working people can get to it.  I'm going to try.

Thanks,
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From: Joe Waldron <[e-mail]>
Subject: ACLU and guns
Date: 08 Feb 2001 12:19:17 -0800

The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is trying to find any
pro-RKBA chapters of the ACLU anywhere in the U.S.  SAF and other
gun rights advocacy groups have worked with the ACLU in the past,
but this has generally been on peripheral issues rather than pure
RKBA issues.

SAF has added an ACLU page to its web site at
http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/ACLU.htm

If any list members have knowledge of direct pro-RKBA support
provided by any ACLU chapter, or by an officer of any chapter,
please forward the info to Dave LaCourse at
[e-mail]  Please add me as an info addressee
([e-mail]).

TIA
Joe Waldron

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw:ALERT GUN FEE INCREASES
Date: 08 Feb 2001 17:29:48 -0700

The following is taken from the latest USSC alert.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------

URGENT ACTION ALERT from Utah Shooting Sports Council February 8, 2001
PLEASE PASS THIS ALERT to anyone else who would be interested.

STOP THE SNEAKY GUN FEE INCREASE
In a sneaky move, Rep. Gary Cox is attempting to raise the fees for
renewing
permits to legally carry a concealed weapon for self-defense.  The actual
increase (this time) is relatively small ($10 to $35 for concealed carry
permits, and $10 to $25 for Concealed carry instructors).  However, there
is
a definite trend by people opposed to legal gun ownership and use to try
to
make guns too expensive to own through fees, taxes, litigation and other
schemes.
 This fee increase is being attempted IN VIOLATION OF THE PROCEDURES for
such an increase.
? The Department of Public Safety did not request a fee increase.
? The Legislative Analyst responsible for such proposals did not request
a
fee increase.
? The fee increase has not gone through the public comment process
required
by the Utah Administrative Procedures Act.
? The data used to audit the concealed carry fees has not been made
available for review
 The House Appropriations Committee where this sneak attack took place is
not expected to meet again.
 The proposed increase is subject to review at an Executive
Appropriations
Committee meeting in the next few days.

PLEASE CONTACT THE FOLLOWING LEGISLATORS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
Ask them to delete any firearms related fee increases for the reasons
above:

House Leadership:
Speaker Marty Stephens,  [e-mail]
Rep. Kevin Garn,   [e-mail]
Rep. David Ure,  [e-mail]
Rep. Greg Curtis,  [e-mail]
Rep  Jeff Alexander,  [e-mail]

Senate Leadership:
President Al Mansel,  [e-mail]
Senator Steven Poulton, [e-mail]
Senator John Valentine,  [e-mail]
Senator Peter Knudson,  [e-mail]
Senator Leonard Blackham,  [e-mail]
Senator Bill Hickman, [e-mail]
Senator Chris Buttars. [e-mail]



HIGHWAY LOCATIONS NEEDED
 Help USSC find privately owned highway frontage (approx 800 feet or
more)
along Interstates 15, 70, 80, 84 or 215 or US 6, 89 or 40 so we can put
up
pro-gun "Burma Shave" type signs.  This is a simple, powerful way to
educate
and motivate pro-gun people.  No cost to land owner.  Signs are about 18"
x
96".  If you or a friend own land like this, please contact
[e-mail]


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From: "larry larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: ACLU and guns
Date: 08 Feb 2001 21:03:49 -0700

Hahahahah  surly you jest.
larry

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Joe Waldron
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:19 PM


The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is trying to find any
pro-RKBA chapters of the ACLU anywhere in the U.S.  SAF and other
gun rights advocacy groups have worked with the ACLU in the past,
but this has generally been on peripheral issues rather than pure
RKBA issues.

SAF has added an ACLU page to its web site at
http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/ACLU.htm

If any list members have knowledge of direct pro-RKBA support
provided by any ACLU chapter, or by an officer of any chapter,
please forward the info to Dave LaCourse at
[e-mail]  Please add me as an info addressee
([e-mail]).

TIA
Joe Waldron

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From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Guns in Movies
Date: 09 Feb 2001 10:26:11 -0700

Guns in Movies: Where Do We Stand?
By Richard W. Stevens
Editor, The Bill of Rights Sentinel

Movies. America is known worldwide for making movies. By making
some things look "normal" and other things look evil, mysterious
or "un-cool," movies massively influence public opinion.

Fashions in speech, conduct, and dress are suggested by movies.
Many people believe that cigarette smoking surged overwhelmingly
in popularity in the last century because most leading men and
women, and even the supporting players, made smoking seem natural,
easy and normal -- even high class -- in movies.

Few would doubt the power of movies today to sway public views
about fashion, ethics and politics.

Movies for Self-Defense

What do most American movies teach about the right to self-defense?
About the right to keep and bear arms?

In times past, there were countless "western" movies. Although some
of these improperly glorified or tried to justify white men killing
Indians, many others were morality stories of good versus evil.
Frequently in western movies the audience would see self-defense in
action. A lone woman picking up a firearm to defend herself and her
family. An armed boy helping his dad ward off attackers. Stranded
settlers organizing to stand watch -- and fight off -- robbers and
marauders.

Western movies of this sort, however, are dead and gone. Last year's
film about the Revolutionary War, "The Patriot", was criticized for
showing young boys using firearms even for an unquestionably good cause.

Movies Against Guns

Hollywood in the last 30 years has turned 180 degrees against the right
to keep and bear arms. Anti-gun films, however, mostly don't preach "gun
control" openly. As always, movies teach by showing what is "normal",
mysterious and "cool" -- and by showing what is ridiculous, dangerous
and uncool.

In Woody Allen's recent comedy, "Don't Drink the Water", the only gun
in the movie is portrayed as unnecessary, awkward, and inherently
dangerous. Viewers get the message that nutty New Yorkers will play
cowboy and accidentally shoot innocent people in all directions. By
watching the players, the audience learned that guns are terribly
risky and people are too crazy to use them properly.

Last year's "Charlie's Angels" movie played against defensive gun use,
too. The three heroines didn't use firearms at all, and the female
stars pointedly mentioned that fact in publicity interviews.

In many other movies, the only people with firearms are either the
criminals and crazies, or the police and military. "Die Hard". "Con
Air". "Air Force One". Only rarely does a modern film show an average
person, living in the city or suburbs, driving away thugs without
shooting -- which is the most common type of defensive gun use.
Practically never do films show wholesome family recreational shooting.

It's time for a change, so JPFO is taking a hard look at the movie
industry. Maybe we need to expose the heavy anti-gun bias that is woven
into most modern films. Maybe we need to make a pro-self defense movie
of our own.

We Need Movie Critics -- Like You!

If you watch movies at all, then you can help with our project. It's
easy: just tell us about movies since 1970 that you thought were
especially anti-gun or anti-self defense, and in a sentence or two
explain why.

We need this information to help build a strategy to take on Hollywood.
We need the information from actual movie viewers, not from professional
critics. That's why we urgently need your help.

Please, write, fax, or e-mail your suggestions to us:

Guns in Movies
JPFO, Inc.
P.O. Box 270143
Hartford, WI 53027

Fax: [phone]
e-mail: mailto:[e-mail]

After we receive and tally the feedback we get from readers like you,
we will announce our findings and our plan.

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: not everyone against PACT is a Scientologist!
Date: 09 Feb 2001 10:57:19 -0700

While a generic "Dear Legislator" is probably not quite as effective as
an individually addressed email, it is certainly far more effective than
no email at all which might be the alternative for some.  This email
contains most or all of the email addresses to contact to oppose PACT.
They are in a format that is very easy to cut and paste into the address
field.  I do reccommend that if you send a "bulk" email like this that
you head the advice to put the addresses into the blind carbon copy (bcc)
field so that the recipients do not see who else has received the email.

For those using Juno, you get bcc by placing addresses inside
parenthesis, eg. "(email address, email address, email address)", in the
Cc field.  You then only need a single address in the To field.  Also for
those using Juno, there is a limit on the number of addresses you can put
in the cc field so the list below has to be done about 1/2 at a time.
Still, it's only two messages to send rather than 40.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------

Dear Friends,

It appears as if the proponents of PACT (Program for Assertive Community
Treatment are so worried about losing the funding for their pet project
that
they have turned it into a religious issue.

Members of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) along with
Representative Trish Beck have been going around the Legislature telling
anyone
who will listen that the only reason why PACT is being attacked is
because of
the "Scientologists" and that if it wasn't for the Scientologists
everything
would be just fine!

Talk about trying to discredit the messenger so you won't have to look at
the
message.

Legislators need to know that this is absolutely untrue and that
non-Scientologists oppose this civil rights abomination too. I don't
think that
the Scientologists are the only one who worry about freedom!

Please copy the email addresses in your bcc (blind carbon copy) section
and
send all the legislators a message saying that you oppose PACT and that
regardless of the claims of Trish Beck and NAMI you are not a
Scientologist.
Please make sure that you include your phone number.

PACT is coming up for vote Friday afternoon so this needs to go out fast.

Thank you for setting the record straight!
Sandra

[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail],  [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
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From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: UPS Gun Thief will Serve No Time
Date: 09 Feb 2001 11:38:47 -0700

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:39:10 -0500 Skypod (Melissa)
<[e-mail]> wrote:

UPS Gun Thief will Serve No Time

http://www.msnbc.com/local/WHEC/85936.asp?cp1=1

"No jail time for a former UPS worker who diverted gun shipments to
himself. Airport native Todd Tongue was sentenced Wednesday to 6 months
of home confinement plus 5 years probation on charges he stole gun
shipments while working at the shipping company. Federal prosecutors say
Tongue intercepted gun and ammunition shipments from a wholesale gun
dealer in 1998. He could have faced 10 years behind bars."

my comment: Ya think perhaps he did it FOR them so they could crack-down
on gun shipments?

yours in Liberty,
Melissa (skypod)
http://www.GunControlVictories.com
Keep And Bear Arms ~ Gun Owners Home Page
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com
GrassRoots Gun Rights, South Carolina
http://www.SCFirearms.org

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From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Federal Gun BuyBack Proposed
Date: 09 Feb 2001 13:24:03 -0700

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:23:32 -0500 Skypod (Melissa)
<[e-mail]> provides:

Federal Gun BuyBack Proposed - H.R.278

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.278:

Senator Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island has proposed Bill HR278
in Congress, to allocate $15 million per year of your tax money,
for gun buy-back programs, with preferential treatment given to
localities who promise to destroy their collected guns.

GET YOUR REP'S FAX, PHONE & EMAIL:
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/capitolwiz

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Stop increased CCW fees, Rumors, Bill of Rights Day
Date: 10 Feb 2001 18:18:48 -0700

A great time to make some phone calls.

----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------
PLEASE COME VISIT THE UTGOA BOOTH AT THE GUN SHOW THIS WEEKEND!

SNEAKY GUN CONTROL - Call these legislators!

Yesterday Utah Gun Owners Alliance reported that Rep. Gary Cox had pushed
a
huge fee increase for CCW permit renewals and instructor certification
renewals through the Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee.   UTGOA
does not think a 250% increase in fees is justified.

UTGOA is willing to work with BCI, Rep. Cox, and the legislature, should
the audit show that more funding is necessary.  But we feel strongly that

sneaking fee increases into an appropriations bill without input from
BCI,
concealed carry instructors, or gun rights advocates, and without public
comment, is highly inappropriate.  This is especially true since no one
has
had the chance to study the auditor's report carefully.

Please contact members of the Joint Executive Offices, Criminal Justice
and
Legislative Appropriations committee.  We recommend doing this by phone
over the weekend, while legislators are home.  Let them know that 250%
fee
increases are unacceptable and that you would like them to reconsider,
and
to allow for input from gun rights organizations as well as the Bureau of

Criminal Identification.

Also tell them that you would like to attend this meeting and ask them to

schedule it in advance so you can arrange to be there.  We are only
asking
that the committee be fair and give us the opportunity to present our
views, and that it be responsible and justify any proposed fee increases.

Committee members (Buttars and Tyler, Chairs)
Sen. D. Chris Buttars, 801-561-0535, [e-mail]
Rep. A. Lamont Tyler, 801-272-1218, [e-mail]
Rep. Ron Bigelow, 801-968-4188, [e-mail]
Rep. Gary F. Cox, 801-967-9760, [e-mail]
Rep. Scott Daniels, 801-582-8080, [e-mail]
Sen. Peter C. Knudson, 435-723-2035, [e-mail]
Rep. Paul Ray, 801-744-0624, [e-mail]
Sen. Pete Suazo, 801-521-3751, [e-mail]
Rep. Mike Thompson, 801-226-5032, [e-mail]

Remember to call at a reasonable hour, be polite, and always leave a
clear
message if the legislator isn't there.  Make sure you leave your name and

phone number, and ask him to call you back.  Remember to include
guidelines, such as "He can call anytime until midnight".

*************Clip and Send****************

Honorable members of the Joint Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee,

I am writing to ask you to reconsider the Concealed Carry permit and
instructor
renewal fee increases in the Criminal Justice budget, and to oppose this
budget
until the fee increases are removed.

Fee increases of 250% are outrageous!  It's hard to imagine how this
could
ever be justified.  Such huge increases should never be enacted without
careful consideration, analysis and opportunities for public comment.

The Legislative Auditor's report on concealed carry has barely been out a
week.  No one has had time to review it carefully or to check the
Auditor's
data and analysis.  Neither the Bureau of Criminal Identification nor the
public has had the opportunity to be involved in this process.  Why are
you
rushing to enact such an ill-considered plan?

Finally, I am extremely disappointed that my elected officials would try
to
sneak such huge fee increases past me by burying them in an
appropriations
bill.

I would appreciate it if the Committee would reconsider these fee
increases, and delay a decision until the issue can be studied fully.  At

the very least, hold a public hearing so that BCI, gun rights advocates,
concealed carry instructors, and ordinary citizens can participate in
this
decision.

Please respond and let me know what you plan to do.

Thank you.

YOUR NAME
YOUR ADDRESS

************************************************


RUMORS

Utah Gun Owners Alliance has received many inquiries about a rumor
circulating that Speaker Marty Stephens and Rep. Mike Thompson were
"cutting a deal" to kill Vermont carry.  This rumor is FALSE.  Both
Stephens and Thompson say they have not talked about gun bills at all.
In
fact, Stephens has committed to making sure our pro-gun bills make it out

of rules and are assigned to an appropriate committee.  And Thompson is
committed to passing HB 345 - Carrying a Firearm.  Utah Gun Owners
Alliance
is working with Rep. Thompson to draft the bill, and we expect to have
bill
text early next week.


BILL OF RIGHTS DAY

Rep. Morgan Philpot's two Bill of Rights Day bills (HB 133 and HJR 10)
will
have their House floor vote on Tuesday, Feb. 13, at 2 PM.  Rep. Philpot
says he has amended HB 133 to include Constitution Day as well, although
the exact text is not yet available.

Rep. Philpot has asked Utah Gun Owners Alliance to extend an invitation
to
all people who care about our Constitution and Bill of Rights to come to
the Capitol to observe the vote.  No public comments are permitted, but
you
will be able to sit in the gallery above the House floor and watch the
proceedings.


PACT UPDATE

PACT is still being discussed by the Joint Health and Human Services
Appropriations Committee.  Your calls and email are definitely having an
effect.  Please keep up the good work!

Also, the correct email address for Rep. Litvack is
[e-mail].  We apologize for the error in our previous
alert.


WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE GUN SHOW THIS WEEKEND!  COME SEND SOME
POSTCARDS
TO YOUR LEGISLATORS!


Enjoy the weekend!  Our pro-gun bills will be up for votes soon and
things
will get extremely busy.  Reps. Thompson and Donnelson need your active
support if they are going to get their bills passed.  Please remember to
check your email regularly and plan to spend some time each day working
to
protect your rights.

We are extremely lucky to have legislators who will run pro-gun bills.
We
need to show them that it's worth their while.  Thanks!

Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
http://www.utgoa.org
[e-mail]

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Phone number correction Fw: [UTGOA] Stop increased CCW fees, Rumors, Bill of Rights Day
Date: 10 Feb 2001 22:17:37 -0700

The original alert had an incorrect phone number for Rep. Ray.  Please
see below for the corrected number.  Please be aware that at least a
couple members of the committee are really quite hostile to your ability
to carry a weapon for self defense--though they may not say so in that
many words, their tone and actions will leave little doubt in your mind.
However, there are several members who are friendly to and generally
supportive of your rights and ability.  If you receive a negative
response from one or more legislators, do not be surprised nor
discouraged.  Call the other members, ask them to attend this meeting,
oppose this fee increase or to at least support any efforts to schedule a
time for more comment on them.

Remind them that the Legislative Audit upon which Rep. Cox is basing
these huge increases has only been available for a week, that isn't time
for a full review, and no comment nor testimony has been heard from the
public nor pro-gun organizations on these increases.  Also remind them
that while the legislative audit suggested that differences between
income and expendeture levels at BCI be made up via a combination of
general fund appropriation increases and modest fee increases, Rep. Cox's
measure increases ONLY fees forcing gun owners to shoulder the entire
shortfall themselves.

Please remember to be courteous while firmly letting these legislators
know that both the size of the proposed increase AND the process used to
date are not acceptable.

----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------
SNEAKY GUN CONTROL - Call these legislators!

Yesterday Utah Gun Owners Alliance reported that Rep. Gary Cox had pushed
a
huge fee increase for CCW permit renewals and instructor certification
renewals through the Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee.   UTGOA
does not think a 250% increase in fees is justified.

UTGOA is willing to work with BCI, Rep. Cox, and the legislature, should
the audit show that more funding is necessary.  But we feel strongly that

sneaking fee increases into an appropriations bill without input from
BCI,
concealed carry instructors, or gun rights advocates, and without public
comment, is highly inappropriate.  This is especially true since no one
has
had the chance to study the auditor's report carefully.

Please contact members of the Joint Executive Offices, Criminal Justice
and
Legislative Appropriations committee.  We recommend doing this by phone
over the weekend, while legislators are home.  Let them know that 250%
fee
increases are unacceptable and that you would like them to reconsider,
and
to allow for input from gun rights organizations as well as the Bureau of

Criminal Identification.

Also tell them that you would like to attend this meeting and ask them to

schedule it in advance so you can arrange to be there.  We are only
asking
that the committee be fair and give us the opportunity to present our
views, and that it be responsible and justify any proposed fee increases.

Committee members (Buttars and Tyler, Chairs)
Sen. D. Chris Buttars, 801-561-0535, [e-mail]
Rep. A. Lamont Tyler, 801-272-1218, [e-mail]
Rep. Ron Bigelow, 801-968-4188, [e-mail]
Rep. Gary F. Cox, 801-967-9760, [e-mail]
Rep. Scott Daniels, 801-582-8080, [e-mail]
Sen. Peter C. Knudson, 435-723-2035, [e-mail]
Rep. Paul Ray, 801-774-0624, [e-mail]
Sen. Pete Suazo, 801-521-3751, [e-mail]
Rep. Mike Thompson, 801-226-5032, [e-mail]

Remember to call at a reasonable hour, be polite, and always leave a
clear
message if the legislator isn't there.  Make sure you leave your name and

phone number, and ask him to call you back.  Remember to include
guidelines, such as "He can call anytime until midnight".

*************Clip and Send****************

Honorable members of the Joint Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee,

I am writing to ask you to reconsider the Concealed Carry permit and
instructor renewal fee increases in the Criminal Justice budget, and to
oppose this
budget until the fee increases are removed.

Fee increases of 250% are outrageous!  It's hard to imagine how this
could
ever be justified.  Such huge increases should never be enacted without
careful consideration, analysis and opportunities for public comment.

The Legislative Auditor's report on concealed carry has barely been out a
week.  No one has had time to review it carefully or to check the
Auditor's
data and analysis.  Neither the Bureau of Criminal Identification nor the
public has had the opportunity to be involved in this process.  Why are
you
rushing to enact such an ill-considered plan?

Finally, I am extremely disappointed that my elected officials would try
to
sneak such huge fee increases past me by burying them in an
appropriations
bill.

I would appreciate it if the Committee would reconsider these fee
increases, and delay a decision until the issue can be studied fully.  At

the very least, hold a public hearing so that BCI, gun rights advocates,
concealed carry instructors, and ordinary citizens can participate in
this
decision.

Please respond and let me know what you plan to do.

Thank you.

YOUR NAME
YOUR ADDRESS

************************************************
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT!  CCW fee hearing TODAY!
Date: 12 Feb 2001 10:32:30 -0700

PLEASE READ AND MAKE A CALL NOW.

We are very close to killing the ccw fee increases that have been sneaked
into the appropriations bill.  We have legislators committed to making
and supporting a motion that will kill this sneaky increase and allow us
all the chance to study it and do it right in the future.  One legislator
we need who is still holding out is Rep. Bigelow.  His contact info this
morning is in the following message and he may also be called at
801-538-1029 today.  Please call him.  Remember to be polite.  You can
also be very brief, leaving a simple message to "Please support Rep.
Thompson's motion to reconsider concealed weapons fee increases. Thank
you."  If you are delegate, precinct officer, or just registered voter in
Rep. Bigelow's district, please mention that as well.

Thank you.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------
CCW fee hearing today!

Last week, Rep. Gary Cox proposed that permit renewal fees and instructor

renewal fees be raised from $10 to $35, an increase of 250%.  The
Criminal
Justice Appropriations committee approved these fees last week, although
many committee members say that the schedule was very busy and they had
no
idea what they were voting for.

In response to your calls and emails, several legislators have agreed to
support a motion that these fee increases by reconsidered.  Rep. Mike
Thompson will be making the motion today.

What you must do - NOW!

Call the following legislators and ask them to support Rep. Thompson's
motion to reconsider the fee increases.  The problems with the fee
increases are:
1. 250% increases are unreasonable and should never be done without
public
comment.
2. The Legislative Audit does not justify such huge increases.
3. The Legislative Audit said that funds for BCI should come from the
General Fund AND fee increases, not just fee increases.
4. No one has had time to study the Legislative Audit carefully and the
raw
data has not even been released so we can verify its accuracy.
5. While BCI did request fee increases, they were not involved in this
process, and learned of this proposal only after it was passed.
6. Gun rights organizations and concealed carry instructors were not
invited to participate in the review process.
7. Rep. Cox bypassed the usual legislative review process to sneak this
into an appropriations bill after it was defeated by standing committees
several years in a row.
8. Many legislators were apparently unaware that they were voting in fee
increases.

Please CALL the following legislators at the Capitol NOW.  Senators can
be
reached at 801-538-1035.  Representatives can be reached at 801-538-1029.

Sen. D. Chris Buttars, [e-mail]
Rep. Ron Bigelow, [e-mail]
Sen. Peter C. Knudson, [e-mail]
Rep. Paul Ray, [e-mail]
Rep. Mike Thompson, [e-mail]

Your message (email or phone) can be short and sweet:  "Please support
Rep.
Thompson's motion to reconsider concealed carry fee increases.  Thank
you."

If possible, please plan to attend this meeting!  2 PM, Room 405.  The
room
will be packed with law enforcement personnel, and we need some pro-gun
folks to show  how important this is to us.

Thanks!

Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Legislative Update
Date: 12 Feb 2001 18:09:29 -0700

Good news.  The Huge CCW fee increase that Rep. Gary Cox sneaked into the
appropriations bill after failing to pass that increase (and other
measures intended to increase the cost and difficulty of getting and
keeping a CCW permit) the last couple of years using stand alone bills
was removed from that appropriation bill.  Watch for it to be introduced
later in the session using one of the remaining "boxcar" bills.    Thank
you to all of you who took the time to make phone calls to committee
members.  They may not seem receptive to your call, but when they get
enough calls, they do vote properly, even if they aren't really happy
about it.

Time to support a good bill.

Rep. Mike Thompson's HB 264 - Gun Safety Law Amendments which would
require that basic ("Eddie Eagle" type) gun safety instruction be given
to grade school children and historical / legal instructions on guns be
given to high school seniors as well as providing optional (with parental
consent) hands-on firearms training for seniors is scheduled to be heard
in the House Education Committee tomorrow, Tuesday February 13th, at 4:00
pm in room 129 at the capital.

This is a good and an important bill.  Schools are already allowed to
provide basic safety training, but--surprise, surprise--very few do.
While railroad (TRAX) tracks, power lines,  and crime (don't accept rides
from strangers) safety all merit some time and effort by our schools, it
seems that some modest and basic instructions on avoiding injuries should
a gun be found is just too much trouble for them.

This bill faces an uphill battle.  Liberals--in both parties--are not
going to support it simply because it deals with guns without demonizing
them or putting anyone in jail.  Conservatives are hesitant to support it
(they say) because it imposes another mandate on local school districts.
Legislators of all stripes need to hear from us.  This is not about guns
or mandates.  It is about the safety of children.

If possible, please attend the hearing tomorrow, Wednesday, at 4:00 pm,
room 129.

This evening, please take a few minutes and call members of the House
Education Committee.  Let them know you want them to support HB 264 "for
the sake of the children."  :)  Remember to be polite, but firm and
clear.  If you are a constituent of any committee members, please call
that member first, letting them know you are a constituent.  Then (or if
none of them are your rep) please call other members.  I've not bothered
to paste in home address so regardless of your area code or that of the
legislator, any of these could be long distance for you and require
1+area code+number.  Try it without the one first, then add the 1 if you
need it.

Email is better than nothing, but not nearly as good as a personal call.
Do both if possible.  Or, at least call a couple and email the rest.  I
suggest the use of the blind carbon copy (bcc) field when emailing more
than one and using a generic greeting like "Honorable Representative".
Be sure to include your name and phone number and/or postal address in
your email.  Cut and paste email addresses and email body (if you'd like
to use it) follow the committee members.

Committee members are:

Rep. Margaret Dayton (R) , Chair  [e-mail]  801-221-0623

 Rep. Loraine T. Pace (R) , Vice Chair [e-mail]  435-753-6154

 Rep. Jeff Alexander (R) [e-mail],  801-375-1092
                                       [e-mail]

 Rep. Duane E. Bourdeaux (D) [e-mail] 801-596-8784

 Rep. Judy Ann Buffmire (D)   [e-mail] 801-266-1862

 Rep. James A. Ferrin  (R) [e-mail]  801-224-6823

 Rep. James R. Gowans (D) [e-mail] 435-882-2120

Rep. David L. Hogue (R) [e-mail] 801-254-1668

 Rep. Bradley T. Johnson (R) [e-mail] 435-529-3227

 Rep. Merlynn T. Newbold  (R)  [e-mail]  801-254-0142

 Rep. LaWanna Shurtliff (D) [e-mail] 801-391-7387

 Rep. Matt Throckmorton (R) [e-mail]   801-489-8342
                                          [e-mail]

Rep. A. Lamont Tyler (R) [e-mail],   801-272-1218
                                               [e-mail]


==========cut and paste addresses===========

[e-mail];   [e-mail];   [e-mail];
 [e-mail]; [e-mail];
[e-mail];
 [e-mail];   [e-mail];
[e-mail];
 [e-mail]; [e-mail];
[e-mail];
[e-mail];  [e-mail];  [e-mail];
  [e-mail]

=============end cut and paste addresses============

=============cut and paste letter====================

Dear Honorable Representative,

Please support HB 264 -- Gun Safety Law Amendments and pass it out of the
House Education Committee favorably.

This bill will require that public grade schools provide a very basic
course of safety instruction in the event a child or his/her playmate
should find a gun.  The children will be taught to "Don't touch, leave
the area, and tell an adult."  They will also be taught how to teach this
information to others.  High Schools would be required to provide basic
instruction regarding historical and legal issues regarding firearm
ownership to seniors.  Those seniors would also have the option, with
parental consent, to receive basic hands-on use of a firearm under the
strict supervision of a police officer or other qualified instructor.

Regardless of your position on private firearms ownership or legislative
mandates to schools, the fact remains that most homes in Utah have a gun
and almost no local districts have chosen to offer this essential
education even though they are currently free and encouraged to do so.
Some children will happen upon a gun at some point in their lives and
there is simply no reason for any child to be injured--or to accidently
injure someone else--because they are ignorant concerning basic gun
safety.  Children are currently being MIS-educated concerning the dangers
of guns via video games, movies, television, and other media.  It is our
duty to make sure children are properly educated in this area so they can
avoid injuries.  This is no different than the safety training currently
and routinely given about railroad (or TRAX) tracks, water ditches, power
lines, etc.  This program would utilize community volunteers and present
almost no cost to local school districts.

Please let me know whether you plan to support this common sense bill to
prevent childhood accidents with firearms.

Sincerely,

Your name
Your phone number
Your address

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Town meeting planned for HD 50
Date: 13 Feb 2001 22:48:14 -0700

Rep. Merlynn Newbold, HD 50, has scheduled a town meeting.  If you live
in her district (or even if you don't but are concerned about /
interested in the issues that come before the committees on which she
sits--like the education committee that will vote on Tuition Tax Credits)
please plan to attend.

It is scheduled for Saturday, February 24th at 4:00 pm in the South
Jordan pubic library.

That is very late in the session, so if you want to give her input on
bills she is likely to see before then, contact her directly.  However,
it is soon enough to give her some good guidance on what we expect and
hope for in the final hours of the session when a lot of bad stuff can
slip through.  It would be great if she heard from several of us that
we'd like her to do two things:

1--Vote against any bill she hasn't personnaly read in its final form.

2--From the floor object when unanamous consent is requested to waive
reading of said bills before a vote is taken.

Please plan to attend.  I'll update if I hear of any changes.

----------------
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<[e-mail]>
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gun safety bill held in committee
Date: 13 Feb 2001 23:26:34 -0700

It looks like Rep. Thompson's HB 264 that would require grade schools to
teach basic gun safety met all the expected opposition and then some.
Several amendments were proposed and it looked like the opposition had
plenty of votes to kill the bill outright.  Somewhat surprisingly, it was
Rep. Duane Bourdoux who saved us by moving to hold the bill.  This gives
Rep. Thompson some time to make a few minor technical changes to blunt
the critisism of the educational establishment.  The bill should be heard
again in the near future.

If you haven't yet contacted the house education committee members on
this bill now is the time to do so.  If you have, now is the time to
contact them, ask them where they stand on the bill after hearing it, and
let them know you expect them to support it.  Education committee member
contact info listed below.  Support for and oppossition to this bill
really does cross party lines and the usual conservative/liberal labels
so don't hesitate to contact those you think would normally be opposed to
gun issues or neglect contacting those you would normally think are very
supportive of gun issues.  Remember, this isn't about guns.  It is about
childhood safety.  We in the RKBA community are frequently criticized
(unjstly) as not caring about the safety of children when we oppose
mandatory trigger locks and such.  NOW is the time to make it clear we
fully support the safety of children.

Rememeber, "You can't childproof every gun.  But you can 'gun-proof'
every child with just a little education."

House Education Committee members:

                Alexander, [e-mail], 801-375-1092
                 Bourdeaux, [e-mail], 801-596-8784
                 Buffmire, [e-mail], 801-266-1862
                 Dayton, [e-mail], 801-221-0623
                 Ferrin, [e-mail], 801-224-6823
                 Gowans, [e-mail], 435-882-2120
                 Hogue, [e-mail], 801-254-1668
                 Johnson, [e-mail], 435-529-3227
                 Newbold, [e-mail], 801-254-0142
                 Pace, [e-mail], 435-753-6154
                 Shurtliff, [e-mail], 801-479-0289
                 Throckmorton, [e-mail], 801-489-8342
                 Tyler, [e-mail], 801-272-1218

                 REMEMBER!  Be polite, be firm.  Do not engage in threats
and
                 name-calling.  DO let legislators know that this is very
important to you
                 and will likely affect your future support for them.

Cut and past email addresses:

[e-mail];   [e-mail];   [e-mail];
[e-mail]; [e-mail];
[e-mail];
[e-mail];   [e-mail];  [e-mail];

[e-mail]; [e-mail];
[e-mail];
 [e-mail];  [e-mail];  [e-mail];
[e-mail]


========Cut and paste email body if you'd like to use it==============


Honorable members of the House Education Committee:

I am writing to ask you to support HB 264, Gun Safety Law Amendments This

bill is not about "guns in schools", or pushing a pro-gun (or anti-gun)
agenda.  It is not a partisan issue.  It is not even about legislative
mandates to
schools.  It's about protecting our children, something we all agree is
important.

The truth is that even though current law allows the teaching of gun
safety and even though
numerous individuals and organizations have offered to provide materials
and qualified
instructors, most Utah Public schools refuse to teach gun safety - even
though it's really
no different than holding fire drills, teaching safety around power lines
or railroad tracks,
or teaching water safety.  The goal is to keep children safe should they
encounter a firearm.
I wish schools would teach this  lifesaving information on a voluntary
basis, but they don't.

Many parents don't know basic firearms safety, and aren't able to their
children.
And too often, these parents trust mechanical solutions  like trigger
locks (which have a
very high incidence of failure and cannot be counted on to be in place
when a criminal
discards a gun near a playground), instead of providing their children
with survival skills.

Please SUPPORT HB 264, Gun Safety Law Amendments.  If it saves only one
child, won't
it be worth it?

I consider this a high priority bill, and will be interested to see how
you vote.

Thank you for your attention.

                 YOUR NAME
                 YOUR ADDRESS

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: SAF: Responses Refuting Bellesiles Claims
Date: 14 Feb 2001 09:12:14 -0700


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Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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SAF: Responses Refuting Bellesiles Claims


SAF has put together a good web page of responses countering Bellesile's
claims that guns were rarely owned or used in pre-civil war America.

  http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/GunsInEarlyAmerica.htm

Included are links to critical responses by Cramer, Malcom, Halbrook,
Lindgren and Lee, Stromberg, Suprynowicz, NRA, About.com, and even the
Washington Post.  It also has some quotes from founders such as:

"If this now flourishing City, and greatly improving   Colony, is
destroy'd
and ruin'd, it will not be for   want of Numbers of Inhabitants able to
bear
Arms in
  its defence. 'Tis computed that we have at least   (exclusive of
Quakers)
60,000 Fighting Men, acquainted   with Fire-Arms, many of them Hunters
and
Marksmen,   hardy and bold."

  Benjamin Franklin (1747), B.F. Papers, vol. III, p.202


"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and   captives of the enemy
from the commencement of   hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until
November, 1777, since which there has been no event   of any
consequence...
I think that upon the whole it   has been about one half the number lost
by
them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is
ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in
our
army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."

  Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778.

More at the site.
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Bill of Rights, Gun Safety, More bills to watch
Date: 14 Feb 2001 09:03:20 -0700

The latest for UTGOA including more info on the gun safety bill.

----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------
Bill of Rights Day
Gun Safety Education
Important changes: HB 266 and HB 95
Constitutional Convention
School Surveys
CCW Reciprocity


BILL OF RIGHTS DAY - HB 133, HJR 10 - Philpot

Good news!  The two Bill of Rights Day Bills, HB 133 and HJR 10 passed
the
House unanimously today!  HB 133 was amended to also create Constitution
Day on Sept. 17, an amendment we support.  Utah Gun Owners Alliance would

like to thank Rep. Philpot and the members of the House for their support

of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

These bills will now go to the Senate.  Please let YOUR Senator know that

you would like him/her to support HB 133 and HJR 10.


GUN SAFETY EDUCATION - HB 264 - Thompson

HB 264, Gun Safety Law Amendments was debated by the House Education
Committee today.  The bill met with a lot of resistance.  It was amended
to
make the secondary school safety education optional.  (The amendment is
not
yet available.)  There was a lot of opposition to "mandating" safety
education.

However, there are already provisions for voluntary safety education in
place - and they're generally ignored.  UTGOA doesn't understand the
objection to teaching something that will save children's lives -
especially when we mandate so many other programs that are far less
important.  Isn't it worth spending an hour or two to keep our children
safe?

The committee voted to hold the bill to give Rep. Thompson a chance to
revise the bill to deal with some of the objections.

Please contact members of the House Education committee (see previous
alert
for  their names) and encourage them to support HB 264.  If they voice
objections to the bill, ask them to tell you specifically what they think

needs to be done so that they will support the bill.  And please let
UTGOA
know what responses you get.

Thanks to those of you who took the time to attend the hearing.


CHANGES

Utah Gun Owners Alliance has changed its position on the following bills,

due the changes in the bill language.

HB 266 - RESTORATION OF RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS - THROCKMORTON
UTGOA position: OPPOSE

HB 266 apparently intends to make it possible for those who have been
committed to a psychiatric institution to petition to regain their gun
rights.  However, as written, the bill would do nothing, since it depends

on the federal government to  fund such petitions at the federal level.

In addition, the bill has been amended to provide that a person must not
be
receiving treatment or taking any medication in order to regain his
rights.

UTGOA is not quite sure why someone who recognizes that he has an illness

and cooperates with treatment should be punished for being
responsible.  We're not sure why someone should be forced to choose
between
the right to self-defense and necessary medical treatment.

People who are under psychiatric care and are taking medications are
currently permitted to work as teachers, doctors, lawyers, social
workers,
and legislators.  Why should they be forbidden to own guns?

UTGOA believes that anyone who is too dangerous to own a gun should not
be
permitted to serve in ANY position of public trust.

If a person can prove he's not a danger to others, what difference does
it
make what medications he takes?  And if he can't prove he's not a danger
to
others, whether or not he takes medications is irrelevant.

This bill will not help restore gun rights, and it will open the door to
barring anyone who's ever received mental health treatment from owning a
gun.

HB 266 has passed the House and is now in the Senate.  Please ask YOUR
Senator to OPPOSE HB 266, 1st substitute.


HB 95 - REGULATIONS OF PAWN SHOPS - MURRAY
This bill has been substituted and we are currently reviewing it to see
if
it addresses our objections.


MORE BILLS TO WATCH!

HJR 15: RESOLUTION RESCINDING THE CALL FOR CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION -
FIFE
UTGOA position: SUPPORT

HJR 15 "urges the repealing, rescinding and superseding of all
applications
to Congress for a constitutional convention".  It also urges other states

to do the same.

The Utah legislature has previously voted to support a constitutional
convention.  Such a convention would make it possible to rewrite the
Constitution completely and would pose a serious threat to our entire
system of government.  We would also almost certainly see attempts to
remove the Second Amendment.

Our existing procedures for amending the Constitution have worked well
for
over 200 years.  Rewriting the entire document is neither necessary nor
advisable.

HJR 15 will be heard by the House Political Subdivisions Committee on
Thursday, Feb. 15, at 8 AM, Room 223.  Please let committee members know
that you would like them to SUPPORT HJR 15.

Committee members:
Rep. David L. Hogue, Chair
Rep. David N. Cox, Vice Chair
Rep. Sheryl L. Allen
Rep. Ralph Becker
Rep. Stephen D. Clark
Rep. Fred J. Fife
Rep. Joseph G. Murray
Rep. Darin G. Peterson
Rep. LaWanna "Lou" Shurtliff
Rep. David Ure
Rep. Max W. Young

Contact info is at: http://www.utgoa.org/resources/legcontact01.html


HB 355: PUBLIC SCHOOLS SURVEYS AMENDMENTS - KING
UTGOA position: OPPOSE

HB 355 will allow government schools to question children about "matters
related to youth violence, or to the use of alcohol, drugs or tobacco"
without parental consent.  In other words, they will be able to ask your
children if you have guns at home, if they're loaded, how they're stored,

etc. - without your permission.

The school would have to send a letter to let you know they plan to do a
survey and if you want to see it, you'll have to go to the school.  If
the
letter gets lost, or if you're a non-custodial parent, you're out of
luck.

Earlier today we heard over and over again that no student should be
"forced" to learn gun safety, and that it should require a note from
parents to participate.  If teaching life-saving skills requires parental

permission, shouldn't the same hold true for participation in intrusive
surveys?

We were also told that teachers are so terribly overworked that they
can't
possibly find time to include one hour of gun safety education without
seriously affecting our children's academic progress.  If there's not
even
an hour to save kids' lives, how is there time to administer surveys that

have no direct benefit to children at all?

Except in the case of child abuse, there is no excuse for questioning
children without parental consent.  And precious school time should be
devoted to education, not surveys.

HB 355 is currently in House Rules - where we hope it stays!  Please let
your Representative know that you would like him/her to support parental
rights and OPPOSE HB 355.


HB 376: CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT HOLDERS - RECIPROCITY is now available
online at http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0376.htm.

HB 376 will require that Utah honor carry permits from any state or
county.  It will also require that BCI actively request that other states

recognize Utah permits.  UTGOA enthusiastically supports this bill.  It
has
not yet been assigned to a committee; we'll let you know as soon as we
do.

Please thank Rep. Donnelson for sponsoring HB 376
([e-mail]) and let YOUR legislators know you expect them

to vote YES.

Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
http://www.utgoa.org
[e-mail]

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From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Father Murphy and the Million Mom March
Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:04:15 -0700

Father Murphy and the Million Mom March
----------
by David Dieteman
   Today's gun control advocates should listen to "Boulavogue," an
   Irish folk song about a priest who convinced his parishioners to
   surrender their arms to the English, then led them in rebellion
   with a few remaining weapons when he realized his mistake.
   (02/14/01)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman19.html

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: HJR 15 (pro U.S. Constitution) cmtee hearing Thurs 2-15-01 8am rm 223
Date: 14 Feb 2001 15:36:29 -0700

Of importance to anyone who values any or all of our bill of rights.

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>



Dear friend,

As many of you know, a Constitutional Convention, also known as a ConCon,
(vrs. a Constitutional Amendment) would have the power to re-write the
entire U.S. Constitution.

There has never been an Article V Constitutional Convention since our
current U.S. Constitution was ratified.  Sadly, Utah is one of several
states with a standing call for a ConCon.  Realizing the threat to the
U.S. Constitution that a ConCon poses, several states have recently
repealed their calls for a ConCon.

HJR 15 would repeal all of Utah's calls for a ConCon.  HJR 15 will put
Utah on the books as being pro-Constitution instead of being on the books
as anti-Constitution (calling for a convention implies we need a new
Constitution).

Please attend the House Standing Committee hearing on HJR 15 tomorrow
(Thursday, February 15, 2001) at 8:00 am, in RM 223 (in the State Capitol
Building), if at all possible, in support of HJR 15.

I have included a flyer below with some key points about why HJR 15
should be approved and Utah's calls for a ConCon repealed.

Thanks!

--Carlton


CITIZEN ALERT


Dear Citizen of Utah, please ask your Legislators to rescind (invalidate)
all calls for a Constitutional Convention, which still remain on their
books.

Article V of our Constitution allows amendments to be made two ways. The
only method which has been used since 1787 requires a "yes" vote from two
thirds of both the House and the Senate, plus ratification (approval) by
three quarters of the states. This procedure is reasonably safe. The
other way, a Constitutional Convention (sometimes called an Article V
convention or a Con Con) is dangerous. Recently, several State
Legislatures, hoping to bye-pass Congress and to push through a
single-issue amendment, such as a Balanced Budget Amendment,

have applied to Congress for a convention. It is an erroneous belief that
state Legislatures

can control the convention and limit it to a single issue of their
choosing.

LetÆs look at why a Constitutional Convention can be very dangerous.

Although, the states may have asked for it, they have absolutely no
control over it.

Article V gives the states no power to:

-Decide which topics will be considered, or limit it to a one-issue
convention.

-Choose who the delegates to the convention will be, or how they will be
chosen.

-Write the desired amendment(s).

-Object, or withdraw, if the convention does not do what they intended it
to do.

Congress is given a blank check in choosing:

-Where the convention will be held.

-How many delegates the states may have, and how they will be chosen.

(Note: There is no constitutional guarantee that every state will have at
least one delegate.)

Now û The most dangerous part

Once the delegates are chosen, only the Convention is empowered by
Article V to determine the number and content of the proposed amendments.
The Convention is not bound by any limitations from the States, Congress
or the people.

Chief Justice Burger said, "No one tells a Con Con what to do.. Its
powers are unlimited." Once the Convention is called, there is no way to
stop wholesale changes to our constitution or Bill of Rights. The
delegates may use their power to re-write the rules, the Constitution, or
the means of ratifying their proposals. Chief Justice Burger further
stated, "After a Convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the
Convention if we donÆt like its agendaà..A new Convention could plunge
our Nation into constitutional confusion and confrontation at every turnà
and I am glad to see states rescinding their previous resolutions
requesting a Convention".

All applications to Congress for a Con Con remain active on their books,
regardless of subject matter. If 34 states apply for a convention, for
any reason, Congress must call it. 32 states have already applied. The
good news is that recently four states (Idaho is one) have rescinded all
their applications. It is time for Utah to do the same. Please call your
elected state representatives and ask them to sponsor or co-sponsor a
bill to rescind UtahÆs calls for a Con Con.

State
Rep:_____________________________________________________________________
_

State
Senate:__________________________________________________________________
__

For more info & documents call:    Kay Garske   801-466-2248




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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Resistance to Gun Safety Bill
Date: 15 Feb 2001 11:21:08 -0700

The following is an excerpt of  Rep. L. Pace's response to my inquiry
regarding her position on HB 264, gun safety education.  Please try to
contact Rep. Pace and encourage her to support this important bill.
Please do not include her original response to me in any email you send,
but please do contact her.  Please be polite but firm, and if you are a
constituent, let her know you consider this bill critical to how you cast
your votes in the future.

Loraine T. Pace
District 4
Party (R)
Mailing Address: 435 East 900 North Logan, Utah 84321
Phone: (home) 435-753-6154 (fax) 435-753-5013
Email:<[e-mail]>


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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

Although the issue is of great importance, it is difficult to mandate one
more thing for the teachers to fit into their schedules to have taught.
There are good pamphlets generated that could be made available to
parents to take care of that teaching in the home.  After school or
weekend workshops would also be an alternative.  Rep. Pace
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From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: URLs
Date: 15 Feb 2001 11:49:56 -0700

Some of these are reluctant to load today.

Soccer moms vs. soccer moms in battle over guns
----------
   In Michigan, authoritarian soccer moms opposed to the right to
   bear arms are being fought to a stand-still by the only opponents
   with the clout to take them on -- other soccer moms. Pro-freedom
   women threatened to boycott a soccer league if the "Million Moms"
   didn't stop using it as a platform for their anti-gun agenda.
   (02/15/01)
http://www.freep.com/news/metro/moms14_20010214.htm

Do gun laws cause Maryland's sky-high crime?
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   The Maryland Citizens Defense League, a gun rights group,
   charges that Maryland's number one nationwide ranking for
   armed robberies is a result of restrictive gun laws that
   "promote victim disarmament." (02/15/01)
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21722

Zero tolerance or hidden agenda?
----------
by Dean L. Kalahar
   Schools across America have jumped on the "zero tolerance"
   bandwagon in a knee-jerk reaction to the tragedy at Columbine
   ... and as a weapon for special interest groups to advance their
   political cause. (02/14/01)
http://www.educationnews.org/inside_the_classroom.htm

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Special Event Notice
Date: 16 Feb 2001 22:31:56 -0700

One last, quick reminder about Eddie Eagle at the Safe Kids Expo
tomorrow, Saturday.
----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------
SAFE KIDS EXPO

Please bring your children to the Safe Kids Expo on Saturday, Feb. 17 at
the
new South Towne Exposition Center at 9575 So. State St., Sandy, Utah
84070.
The Safe Kids Expo runs from 10-5.  Special guest star is Eddie Eagle,
and
Eddie Eagle gun safety coloring books and other info will be available.
There will be info on a wide variety of safety issues, not just gun
safety.
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: ALERT: Two important pro-gun hearings to attend
Date: 16 Feb 2001 23:35:29 -0700

        HB 376 -- Concealed Weapon Permit Holders - Reciprocity hearing
        HB 345 -- Carrying a Firearm ("Vermont Carry")
        House Judiciary Committee Contact Info

There are two very important hearings on pro-gun bills that we need to
attend this coming week.  Please get this information to any pro-gun
individuals you know whether or not they are using email.

HB 376 -- Concealed Weapon Permit Holders - Reciprocity hearing

This Monday, February 19 (Presidents' Day), the House Judiciary Committee
will be hearing Rep. G. Donnelson's HB 376 -- Concealed Weapon Permit
Holders - Reciprocity bill in Room 223 at 4:00 pm.

This bill would do two things.  First, it would require the DPS to make
formal, annual requests of all States that issue concealed permits but do
not currently recognize Utah's permits to recognize our permits.  This
could well lead to an increase in the number of States that would accept
a Utah CCW permit as valid.  Second, the bill would recognize the CCW
permits of ALL other States that issue them as well as allowing residents
of any States that do not require a permit to carry concealed to do so
here without a permit.  (At this time, this only applies to residents of
Vermont.)  This would send a strong message to potential tourists that
Utah welcomes them and their CCW weapons thus making our streets safer
and increasing our tourist revenue.  :)

Room 223 is a small room.  Please arrive early to get a seat or even
guarantee that you can get into the room.  It would be great if the
gun-phobes had no seats at all when they arrived.

Again:
This Monday, February 19 at 4:00 pm.
Capital Room 223.

Whether you can attend or not, please contact Committee members over the
weekend.  Contact info, "cut and paste email addresses," and a sample
email that you are free to use if you'd like are at bottom of this email.
 If you use the cut and paste email addresses to send a single email to
all committee members, please use the blind carbon copy (bcc) field
rather than the "to" or "cc" address fields.  In such cases, I reccomend
you put your own email address in the "To" field and use a generic
salutory such as "Dear Honorable Representative:".

Please be polite but firm in letting these representatives know this is a
critical bill and will effect your future voting.  Despite what some
legislators like to claim, politely letting them know this information is
NOT a threat and should they suggest otherwise politely disagree and let
them know this bill is important to you.


HB 345 -- Carrying a Firearm ("Vermont Carry")

Rep. Mike Thompson's HB 345 -- Carrying a Firearm (aka "Vermont Carry")
will likely be heard in committee sometime Wednesday, February 21.  Exact
committee, time and room will follow as soon as we know it.  Please do
everything in your power to attend this hearing whenever it takes place.



House Judiciary Committee Contact Info

Rep. Glenn L. Way, Chair
Mailing Address: 348 South 1480 East, Spanish Fork, Utah 84660
 Phone: (home) 801-798-2295
[e-mail]

Rep. James A. Ferrin, Vice Chair
Mailing Address: 1373 South 740 East, Orem, Utah  84097
 Phone: (home) 801-224-6823 (office) 801-224-9867
[e-mail]

Rep. Patrice M. Arent
Mailing Address: 6281 South Havenbrook Circle Salt Lake City, Utah 84121
 Phone: (home) 801-272-1956 (office) 801-538-1650
 (fax) 801-538-9505
[e-mail]

Rep. Chad E. Bennion
Mailing Address: 5778  Sagewood Dr, Murray, Utah 84107
 Phone: (home) 801-281-1607  (office) 801-468-2876
 (fax) 801-288-2144
 [e-mail]

Rep. Ron Bigelow
Mailing Address: 4658 Water Wood Drive West Valley City, Utah 84120
Phone: (home) 801-968-4188
[e-mail]

Rep. Katherine M. Bryson
Mailing Address: 833 South 300 West, Orem, Utah 84058
Phone: (home) 801-226-2061
[e-mail]

Rep. Gary F. Cox
Mailing Address: 4468 Tidwell Street Kearns, Utah 84118-5233
Phone: (home) 801-967-9760 (office) 801-569-5216
[e-mail]

Rep. Greg J. Curtis
Mailing Address: P.O. Box 2084, Sandy, Utah 84091
Phone: (home) 801-943-3091 (office) 801-942-7464
[e-mail]

Rep. Scott Daniels
Mailing Address: 1171 Laird Avenue w Salt Lake City, Utah  84105
Phone: (home) 801-582-8080  (office) 801-583-0801
(fax) 801-583-0802
[e-mail]

Rep. Ben C. Ferry
Mailing Address: 905 North 6800 West Corinne, Utah 84037
Phone: (home & office) 435-744-2997 (fax) 435-744-2999
[e-mail]

Rep. Neal B. Hendrickson
Mailing Address: 3402 West 4100 South West Valley City, Utah 84119
Phone: (home) 801-969-8920
[e-mail]

Rep. Mike Thompson
Mailing Address: 1010 West 1420 North, Orem, Utah  84057
Phone: (home) 801-226-5032 (office) 801-223-9044
 [e-mail]

Rep. A. Lamont Tyler
Mailing Address: 3810 Eastwood Lane Salt Lake City, Utah 84109
Phone: (home) 801-272-1218 (office) 801-581-6920
(fax) 801-585-9291
[e-mail]

========cut and paste email addresses=============

[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail] ;
[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ;
[e-mail] ;
[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail] ;
[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ;
[e-mail] ;
[e-mail]

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==========sample email===================

Reciprocity"

Dear Honorable Representative:

I'm writing to ask you to please support HB 376 -- "Concealed Weapon
Permit Holders - Reciprocity" that will be heard before the House
Judiciary Committee this Monday, February 19 and send it to the full
House favorably.  This bill would require the Dept. of Public Safety to
make annual inquires of other States seeking to gain their approval of
Utah's Concealed Weapon permits.  This would allow those Utahns who have
concealed weapons permits to travel with their legal weapons for
protection in those States.  Under this bill, Utah would also recognize
the concealed permits of all States that currently issue them, setting
out the welcome mat to law abiding residents of those States.

This bill is plain common sense.  State issued licenses to drive are
valid across State lines.  Law abiding residents of one State do not
become any less law abiding simply because they cross State lines.
Neither do reasons and needs to carry a concealed weapon disappear simply
by crossing State lines.  There is no good reason that State issued
permits to carry concealed weapons are not valid in other States.

This bill is very important to me.  Please let me know whether you plan
to support this bill and if not, what your objections are.

Sincerely

your name
your address
(optionally, your phone number)

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Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] REMINDER!  CONCEALED CARRY BILL MONDAY!
Date: 18 Feb 2001 22:02:36 -0700

Please do everything possible to attend these hearings.

----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------
An important reminder!

HB 376 - Concealed Carry Recognition will be heard MONDAY Feb. 19 at 4 PM

in Room 223.  It is VERY important that you plan to attend!  We expect a
very close vote, so your presence, phone calls and email are critical.

1. Please plan to attend the committee hearing.  The bill is first on the

agenda, so try to arrive no later than 3:45.

2. Dress appropriately.  Many legislators mistakenly believe that all gun

owners are drunks, wife-beaters, neo-Nazis, lunatics, terrorists, or
wanna-be criminals.  Whether this is a result of ignorance or bigotry,
it's
wrong.  But it's also a fact of life.  If you want legislators to believe

that you're the responsible, hard-working, law-abiding person you really
are, you're going to have to SHOW them.  This means being dressed and
groomed appropriately.  Dress as you would to go to church or a job
interview.  If you don't, you are hurting the cause of gun rights and
helping to perpetuate bigotry against your fellow gun owners.

3. If you wish to speak, plan your testimony in advance, and try to have
it
written out.  Most people get nervous and tongue-tied, especially when
there's a large crowd and TV cameras, and it helps if you have your
comments prepared.  You should plan on 1-2 minutes maximum. Also plan to
stick to the topic.  The topic is "why this bill is good public
policy".  The reasons HB 376 is good public policy are:
        a. It is fair.  People have just as much right to self-defense in
Utah as
they do in their home state.
        b. It will save lives.  When ordinary citizens carry concealed
firearms,
crime goes down.  This protects both Utahns and non-residents.
        c. By accepting other states' permits, more states will accept
Utah
permits.  This will benefit Utahns who travel to other states.
        d. It will save money, by decreasing BCI's workload.  It will
also save
money by decreasing crime and its associated costs.
        e. Just as Utah accepts drivers licenses and marriage licenses
from other
states, we should accept carry permits.

        Legislators are very practical people.  For the most part, they
will
support or oppose a bill based on its immediate, practical impact: "Will
it
save money, lower taxes, save lives, or make my constituents happy?  Will

my constituents be angry enough to vote against me if I vote against
it?"  They are generally less concerned (or unconcerned) with
Constitutional law and philosophy, the United Nations, the New World
Order,
Communism, foreign invasions, Hegelian dialectics, the Illuminati, and
various "conspiracy theories".

        Your job is to be a good salesperson, and sell legislators the
bill on
their own terms.  If you are trying to sell a car to a middle-aged woman,

it's not very smart to tell her that "Chicks love it."  If your customer
is
a single male college student, it's not very smart to tell him it will
easily hold 5 kids plus groceries.  This is only common sense.

        Be smart!  Talk to legislators about what matters to THEM - not
what
matters to you.  Talk about how the bill affects you in practical
terms.  If you have a first-hand experience, or anecdote, that's usually
helpful.

        For example: "I work for ______ and I have to travel all over the

country.  I usually visit 20 different states a year.  If I had to get a
permit in each of those states, it would cost me about $3,500 which I
can't
afford.  If HB 376 passes, I'll be able to use my Utah permit in most of
those states."

        Please contact the following members of the House Judiciary
Committee if
you haven't already done so and ask them to support HB 376.

Members of the House Judiciary Committee:
Arent           [e-mail],        801-272-1956
Bennion   [e-mail]        801-281-1607
Bigelow   [e-mail]        801-968-4188
Bryson           [e-mail]        801-226-2061
Cox           [e-mail]                801-967-9760
Curtis           [e-mail]        801-943-3091
Daniels   [e-mail]        801-582-8080
Ferrin           [e-mail]        801-224-6823
Ferry           [e-mail]        435-744-2997
Hendrickson [e-mail]        801-969-8920
Thompson  [e-mail]        801-226-5032
Tyler           [e-mail]        801-272-1218
Way           [e-mail]                801-798-2295
801-636-0509 (cell)

Be sure you contact committee Chair, Glenn Way, and Vice Chair, Jim
Ferrin.  If one of the committee members is your Representative, s/he
should be your priority.  Reps. Arent, Cox, Hendrickson, and Tyler have
historically been very hostile to gun rights, so they should be at the
bottom of your list.

Please CALL these Representatives at home this evening.  You can also
leave
messages at the Capitol on Monday (538-1029) but that's less effective.


SAVE THE DATE!  Rep. Mike Thompson expects his HB 345 - Carrying a
Firearm
(Vermont carry, right to carry without a permit) to be heard Wednesday,
Feb. 21 at 8 AM.  Please plan to attend - even if it means taking a
couple
of hours off work.  The same committee members listed above will be
voting
on this bill.

SEE YOU TOMORROW!

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: ALERT:  HB 376 CCW Recognition needs help;  Also support HB 345 Vermont Carry
Date: 19 Feb 2001 21:40:44 -0700


HB376  CCW Recognition
HB345 Vermont Carry
Plan to attend hearing

In a continuing show of contempt for law abiding citizens' ability to
defend themselvs (as well as his command of legislative procedures) Rep.
Gary Cox dealt a (we hope temporary) setback to Rep. Donnalson's HB 376
-- CCW Recognition today in the House Judiciary Committee by offering a
substitute that gutted the entire bill.  Cox's hostile substitute was
accepted by a vote of 7 - 6.  This IS progress over last year where we
would have expected to lose 12 -1 or even 13 -0.  But the game isn't over
yet.  Donnelson will be back with amendments or another substitute to
restore the original intent of the bill.  And with some calls, faxes, and
emails, as well as another heavy turn out at the hearing, we think we can
sway one or even two of those who voted against us and send this bill to
the full house on a vote of 7 - 6 in our favor.

HB 376 as originally proposed and substituted by its sponsor, would
require Utah to recognize the CCW permits issued by all other States,
Counties, Cities, etc.  Upon doing this, there are about 8 States that
will immediately honor Utah's CCW permits.  That's 8 more States where
you can travel with the safety and security of your legally carried self
defense weapon.  HB 376 would also allow off duty police officers from
out of State to CCW in Utah.  Currently, they may only do so if they are
on "official business."  It is also important to note that under current
Utah law we do not honor permits from places like California even though
their requirements are MUCH more stringent (and discriminatory) than our
own simply because in that (and several other States) the permits are not
issued by the State, but are instead issued by the County or City.  Some
have, and will make a big deal of the fact that this bill would allow
people from States with less stringent training requirements that Utah to
CCW here.  Bear in mind that Utah honors driver's licenses from all 50
States regardless of the local requirements to obtain that license.  Also
remember that there is no difference in the rate of problems with CCW
permitees between Arizona which requires 16 hours of training and
Washington State that has no training requirement and Utah that has
minimal training.

We expect this bill will be heard again by the House Judiciary Committee
at their Wednesday, February 21st meeting which is at 7:00 am probably in
Room 223.

What we need to do:

Contact Representatives Ron Bigelow and Ben Ferry and ask them to change
their votes.  They voted in favor of Cox's sabotage substitute,
effectively voting against Donnelson's bill.  These two are the closest
we have to "swing votes" and some polite, but sure feedback may well
swing them back in line.  The other five who voted against us are very
anti-gun and are not worth wasting any time on until the next election.
They are Arent, Cox, Hendrickson, Tyler, Daniels.

Faxes for any Rep. may be sent to House Fax Machine at 801-538-1908.  Be
sure the recipient's name is in large, bold print on the first page.

Messages for any Rep. may be left during business hours with house
operator at 801-538-1029.  Ask her to "hand deliver" the message.

Rep. Ron Bigelow may also be contacted at:
(home) 801-968-4188
E-mail: [e-mail]

Rep Ben Ferry may be contacted at:
(home & office) 435-744-2997 (fax) 435-744-2999
E-mail: [e-mail]

Again, please be polite but firm.  Let these two know that you are
disapointed in their vote to allow Cox to sabotage a perfectly reasonable
bill that will make it easier, safer, and cheaper for Utahn's with CCW
permits to travel in other States and to welcome law abiding citizens to
our State.  Ask them to change their vote and oppose HB 376 S2 (Cox's
substitue) and support whatever amendments or substitutes Donnelson
offers.

We also need to contact those Representatives who voted with us (by
voting against Cox's sabotage substitute) to thank them for their vote
and to ask them to stand firm and support Donnelson's amendments or
substitutes.  A couple of those who voted with us were fairly quiet on
the voice vote and only lent their full support when other members
demanded a roll call vote.  More evidence that holding legislators
accountable for their votes tends to get them voting the right way.
Again, please be polite, thank them for their vote, and ask them to
support Donnelson's bill and to oppose Cox's sabotage substitute.

Those who voted with us are: Way, Ferrin, Bennion, Bryson, Curtis, and
Thompson.

Faxes and messages may be left at the numbers given above.

Email addresses are (please us bcc field if you email all at once):

[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail] ;
[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ;
[e-mail]

Home Phone numbers:

Way
801-798-2295

Ferrin
(home) 801-224-6823 (office) 801-224-9867

Bennion
(home) 801-281-1607  (office) 801-468-2876  (fax) 801-288-2144

Bryson
801-226-2061

Curtis
(home) 801-943-3091 (office) 801-942-7464

Thompson
(home) 801-226-5032 (office) 801-223-9044

Again, these are the guys who voted with us.  Please thank them and ask
them to continue to oppose Cox's efforts to derail a good bill.  Ask them
to support Donnelson.


HB 345 Vermont Carry

Rep. Mike Thomson's HB 345 "Vermont Carry" is scheduled to be heard by
the same House Judiciary Committee this Wednesday, February 21st at 7:00
am in room 223.  Please contact the above members of the committee and
ask them to support Thompson's HB 345.

This bill would, in most instances, remove criminal penalaties for
carrying a concealed weapon without a permit.  Utah's CCW permit system
would remain in place for those who wanted a permit either for travel to
other States, to avoid the background check when buying a gun, or to
carry in one of few places where those without permits would not be able
to carry.  In short, this bill would bring Utah's Statutes in line with
Utah's Constitution by recognizing a RIGHT to carry a gun for self
defense rather than just a privelege granted by the State.

To have this bill drafted, introduced, and released from Rules Committee
to a Standing committee is a HUGE success that we only dreamed of just
last year.  In any contacts with Rep. Thompson, please be sure to thank
him for sponsoring this bill.  The good freshman representative is not
even a gun owner.  He has done this because he believes it is the right
thing to do and he has taken heat for it.

ATTEND the HEARING.

Friends, it was an awesome sight today to see the hearing room packed
with pro-gun people.  We need to do it again and have an even larger turn
out this Wednesday.  This is a small room.  If we all show up and all
arrive early, there is no reason we cannot pack the room and the hall way
outside so that anti-gunners cannot even get in, much less find a seat.
Let's give our friends this show of support and deny our enemies any
comfort.  The hearing starts at 7:00 am so many of us should be able to
attend before we head off to work.  The room is small, I fully expect
that the anti-gun forces will be out in strength, and we want to pack the
room, so please arrive early--6:45 at the latest.  6:30 would be ideal.
Bring some hot cocoa or coffee or OJ and enjoy being able to turn out to
support a couple of good bills for a change.  Most of us will probably
have to go straight to work after the hearing, but if at all possible
please dress in your Business or Sunday best or at least "business
casual."  There are restrooms where I would suspect you can change into
work clothes if you need to.  If you simply must wear work clothes please
avoid Tshirst with slogans.

If any of you are particularly gifted or have special experience that may
be relevant and would like to testify or speak, plese let me or Dr. Sarah
Thompson with UTGOA mailto:[e-mail] know.  We'll do what we can
to coordinate our side.  We could particularly use a police officer or
two.  Rep. Gary Cox is a police officer and we need to counter his
influence with other officers who do trust law abiding citizens to
exercise their rights in a peacful, responsible manner.

Finally, please forward this message to anyone who may not receive it
directly.

AGAIN:

HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HEARING
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 21ST, 7:00 AM ROOM 223
PLEASE ARRIVE NO LATER THAN 6:45 AM.

----------------
Charles Hardy
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From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Outreach
Date: 20 Feb 2001 09:18:03 -0700

Ashcroft may teach lefties to love guns
----------
by Knute Berger
   "[T]he time is ripe for liberals to overcome their Second-Amendment
   reluctance, embrace gun rights, praise Gaia and pass the
   ammunition. It's time to test the tolerance of the Bush
   administration's new chief law enforcement officer by seeing how
   far he'll go to protect those who also abhor tyranny, but from
   the opposite end of the political spectrum." (02/13/01)
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10466

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Biatholon Article
Date: 20 Feb 2001 10:55:48 -0700

A great article on the biatholon in today's SLTrib.

<http://www.sltrib.com/02202001/tuesday/73005.htm>

A few excerpts:

Utahns will have a chance to see the world's finest biathletes compete
     when the sport's World Cup tour stops at Soldier Hollow for a
     pre-Olympic test Feb. 28-March 3.


 In recent years, the populated
     Middle European nations have come to the fore, resulting in a surge
in
     biathlon's television ratings that eclipse those of other snow
sports ╤ even
     prime-time ski jumping, which is like a religion in Finland and
Japan.

Lyle Nelson, the Salt Lake Organizing Committee's biathlon program
     manager, estimates 35 million TV viewers in Europe will tune into
live
     prime-time coverage of the Utah World Cup biathlon.
        "It's far and away the biggest TV promotion SLOC is doing,"
Nelson
     said.
        More countries partipate in Olympic biathlon than in any other
winter
     sport, Nelson says. About 200 biathletes from 32 nations, including
     Argentina, Chile, Greece and Korea, are expected to compete next
     week.
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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT!!  CONCEALED CARRY RECOGNITION IN DANGER!
Date: 21 Feb 2001 19:17:46 -0700

Same info as in my most recent post, but with some different

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------

Apologies if this is a duplicate.  We're having server problems.

YOUR HELP IS NEEDED RIGHT AWAY!

HB 376S3 (3rd substitute)- Concealed Carry Recognition was passed by the
House Judiciary Committee today.

This bill will recognize concealed carry permits from any state or county

in the US.  It will also make it possible for Utah permittees to carry in

many states, such as Florida, where they currently are not allowed to
carry.  It will save money, and more important, it will save lives.

HB 376S3 is expected to have its FINAL House vote tomorrow -
Thursday.  Rep. Gary Cox is once again trying to sabotage it.  He thinks
we
are disorganized and won't be able to contact legislators in time to stop

him.  We need to prove him WRONG!


What you must do RIGHT NOW!

Call your OWN REPRESENTATIVE at home this evening!.  Tell him/her you
expect a YES vote on HB 376S3 - with NO amendments and NO changes.  It's
fine the way it is.

Make sure s/he understands that you think this is the most important bill

(or one of them) this year and that you will be very unhappy if it
doesn't
pass as is.  Utah Gun Owners Alliance will post votes as soon as they are

available.

If you are unable to reach your legislator, leave a message at
801-538-1029.

DO NOT THREATEN LEGISLATORS!


Also call the following members of House leadership at home this evening:
Speaker Marty Stephens
Rep. Kevin Garn
Rep. David Ure
Rep. Greg Curtis

Tell them you expect House Republican leadership to take an active role
in
making sure that HB 376S3 passes as is, with no amendments.  Remind them
that it is their job to make sure that Republicans abide by their party
platform and support gun rights.

You should also leave a message for Speaker Stephens at
801-538-1930.  Messages for the rest can be left at 801-538-1029.

Remember that messages get lost and thrown out, so it's MUCH better to
call
legislators at home.  You can also send faxes to 538-1908 (R) or 538-9505
(D)


Find your representative at:
http://www.le.state.ut.us/house/District%20Info/Maps/State.htm


Full Roster of Utah Representatives:

Dis Pty Name      Phone        Fax          E-Mail

01 D Anderson     435-854-3760              [e-mail]
02 R Ferry        435-744-2997 435-744-2999 [e-mail]
03 R Buttars      435-258-5015 435-258-2559 [e-mail]
04 R Pace         435-753-6154 435-753-5013 [e-mail]
05 R Parker       435-245-6275 435-245-7555 [e-mail]
06 R Stephens     801-731-5346 801-538-1908 [e-mail]
07 R Donnelson    801-782-2640              [e-mail]
08 R Murray       801-393-7062              [e-mail]
09 D Hansen       801-393-1514 801-392-8011 [e-mail]
10 D Shurtliff    801-479-0289              [e-mail]
11 R Saunders     801-476-1110              [e-mail]
12 R Adair        801-773-2125 801-773-9927 [e-mail]
13 R Ray          801-774-0624 801-778-8427 [e-mail]
14 R Bush         801-825-3210 801-825-3210 [e-mail]
15 R Aagard       801-546-3935 801-726-8500 [e-mail]
16 R Garn         801-544-3533 801-776-0214 [e-mail]
17 R Dillree      801-451-2773 801-451-6116 [e-mail]
18 R Barrus       801-292-7988              [e-mail]
19 R Allen        801-295-8576 801-402-5218 [e-mail]
20 R Siddoway     801-292-4185 801-294-4135 [e-mail]
21 D Gowans       435-882-2120              [e-mail]
22 D Duckworth    801-250-0728 801-252-1384 [e-mail]
23 D Bourdeaux    801-596-8784 801-596-9085 [e-mail]
24 D Becker       801-364-1656 801-355-2090 [e-mail]
25 D Daniels      801-582-8080 801-583-0802 [e-mail]
26 D Fife         801-521-7383 801-521-6456 [e-mail]
27 D Litvack      801-596-0187              [e-mail]
28 R Bradshaw     801-581-9646 801-581-9646 [e-mail]
29 D Goodfellow   801-968-0626 801-957-3380 [e-mail]
30 D Biskupski    801-484-8369              [e-mail]
31 D McCartney    801-466-3558              [e-mail]
32 R Bigelow      801-968-4188              [e-mail]
33 D Hendrickson  801-969-8920 801-955-5143 [e-mail]
34 R Holdaway     801-964-6360              [e-mail]
35 D Buffmire     801-266-1862              [e-mail]
36 R Tyler        801-272-1218 801-585-9291 [e-mail]
37 D Moss         801-272-6507              [e-mail]
38 D Cox          801-967-9760 801-562-2105 [e-mail]
39 D Beshear      801-957-0840 801-964-8080 [e-mail]
40 D Jones        801-278-7667 801-322-5725 [e-mail]
41 D Arent        801-272-1956 801-538-9505 [e-mail]
42 R Wallace      801-233-9041              [e-mail]
43 R Harper       801-566-5466              [e-mail]
44 R Bennion      801-281-1607 801-288-2144 [e-mail]
45 R Philpot      801-568-7787              [e-mail]
46 D Morgan       801-943-0067 801-943-9614 [e-mail]
47 R Holladay     801-280-6404 801-619-7019 [e-mail]
48 D Beck         801-572-2325 801-572-9347 [e-mail]
49 R Curtis       801-943-3091              [e-mail]
50 R Newbold      801-254-0142              [e-mail]
51 R Swallow      801-572-8201              [e-mail]
52 R Hogue        801-254-1668 801-253-7568 [e-mail]
53 R Ure          435-783-4650 435-783-4650 [e-mail]
54 R Snow         435-722-4162              [e-mail]
55 R Seitz        435-789-0650 435-789-1551 [e-mail]
56 R Cox          801-768-8759 801-768-8759 [e-mail]
57 R Winn         801-319-4471 801-226-5207 [e-mail]
58 R Ferrin       801-224-6823 801-235-9122 [e-mail]
59 R Thompson     801-226-5032              [e-mail]
60 R Bryson       801-226-2061              [e-mail]
61 R Dayton       801-221-0623 801-221-2513 [e-mail]
62 R Alexander    801-375-1092 801-852-2258 [e-mail]
63 R Clark        801-374-6927 801-375-1271 [e-mail]
64 R Lockhart     801-377-7428              [e-mail]
65 R Throckmorton 801-489-8342 801-489-8342 [e-mail]
66 R Way          801-798-2295              [e-mail]
67 R Peterson     435-623-2271              [e-mail]
68 R Styler       435-864-3077 435-864-5660 [e-mail]
69 D King         435-637-7955 435-637-2433 [e-mail]
70 R Johnson      435-529-3227 435-529-7444 [e-mail]
71 D Young        435-259-4542              [e-mail]
72 R Bowman       435-586-8174 435-586-8174 [e-mail]
73 R Hatch        435-676-2214 435-676-2421 [e-mail]
74 R Clark        435-628-5108 435-628-0178 [e-mail]
75 R Urquhart     435-673-4424              [e-mail]


Please do everything you can to make sure that HB 376S3 passes the House
with NO amendments!  Thank you!
Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
http://www.utgoa.org
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: HB 376 S3 -- Concealed Carry Recognition Due for Vote between 2 and 3 pm today
Date: 22 Feb 2001 13:41:11 -0700

Rep. Donnelon's HB 376 S3 that would recognize all out of State concealed
carry permits as well as allowing off duty police officers to carry their
weapons while visiting Utah is due to be voted on by the full house
sometime this afternoon.

It looks like we've done a pretty decent job of contacting legislators in
the last 16 hours on this judging from the comments I received from
legislators or their wives as I called them last night.

Now is the time for the final push to get this good bill past the house,
intact, and sent to the Senate.  Legislators and House leadership really
need to come back from their lunch breaks to find a stack of messages in
favor of this bill waiting for them.

Please, take a few minutes and do two things.

1: Email House Leadership and your Representative asking them to support
HB 376 S3 while opposing any efforts to amend or further substitute it.
Cut and paste addresses and sample email below.

2:  Call or fax House Speaker Marty Stephens and your own legislator at
the capital again asking them to support HB 376 S3 while opposing any
efforts to amend or futher substitute it.  Contact info below.

At this point, volume, rather than content is what really matters.  Phone
messages can be simply, "Please support HB 376 S3.  Please oppose any
amendments or further substitutes."  Faxes and emails need be no longer
than the sample below.

Phone messages for Speaker Stephens may be left by calling 801-538-1930.
Phone messages for all other House members may be left by calling
801-538-1029.  Ask that these mesages be "hand delivered."

Faxes may be sent to Republican House members at 801-538-1908.
Faxes may be sent to Democratic House members at 801-538-9505.
In either case make sure the legislator's name is in large, clear, print
on the first page of the fax.

--------house leadership email addresses-----------------

[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail]
;
[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail]


-------------Sample email / fax ---------------------------
subject:  Please support HB 376 S3, please oppose all further substitutes
or amendments

Dear Honorable Representative;

I'm writing to ask you to support HB 376 S3 in its current form, as
intended by its sponsor, Rep. Donnelson.  Please oppose any further,
hostile efforts, from either side of the aisle, to substitute or amend
this good bill.

This bill will save Utahn's money and time.  It will also increase our
safety.  I consider this an extremely important bill.

Please ensure that it passes the house intact.

Please let me know your position on this bill.

Sincerely

name
address


======================
Full list of Representatives' names and emails.  Don't bother calling the
phone numbers below.  They won't get those messages until after they've
voted.  Call them at the capital number given above.  Fax them at one of
the faxes given above.

Dis Pty Name      Phone        Fax          E-Mail

01 D Anderson     435-854-3760
[e-mail]
02 R Ferry        435-744-2997 435-744-2999
[e-mail]
03 R Buttars      435-258-5015 435-258-2559
[e-mail]
04 R Pace         435-753-6154 435-753-5013
[e-mail]
05 R Parker       435-245-6275 435-245-7555
[e-mail]
06 R Stephens     801-731-5346 801-538-1908
[e-mail]
07 R Donnelson    801-782-2640
[e-mail]
08 R Murray       801-393-7062
[e-mail]
09 D Hansen       801-393-1514 801-392-8011
[e-mail]
10 D Shurtliff    801-479-0289
[e-mail]
11 R Saunders     801-476-1110
[e-mail]
12 R Adair        801-773-2125 801-773-9927
[e-mail]
13 R Ray          801-774-0624 801-778-8427
[e-mail]
14 R Bush         801-825-3210 801-825-3210
[e-mail]
15 R Aagard       801-546-3935 801-726-8500
[e-mail]
16 R Garn         801-544-3533 801-776-0214
[e-mail]
17 R Dillree      801-451-2773 801-451-6116
[e-mail]
18 R Barrus       801-292-7988
[e-mail]
19 R Allen        801-295-8576 801-402-5218
[e-mail]
20 R Siddoway     801-292-4185 801-294-4135
[e-mail]
21 D Gowans       435-882-2120
[e-mail]
22 D Duckworth    801-250-0728 801-252-1384
[e-mail]
23 D Bourdeaux    801-596-8784 801-596-9085
[e-mail]
24 D Becker       801-364-1656 801-355-2090
[e-mail]
25 D Daniels      801-582-8080 801-583-0802
[e-mail]
26 D Fife         801-521-7383 801-521-6456
[e-mail]
27 D Litvack      801-596-0187
[e-mail]
28 R Bradshaw     801-581-9646 801-581-9646
[e-mail]
29 D Goodfellow   801-968-0626 801-957-3380
[e-mail]
30 D Biskupski    801-484-8369
[e-mail]
31 D McCartney    801-466-3558
[e-mail]
32 R Bigelow      801-968-4188
[e-mail]
33 D Hendrickson  801-969-8920 801-955-5143
[e-mail]
34 R Holdaway     801-964-6360
[e-mail]
35 D Buffmire     801-266-1862
[e-mail]
36 R Tyler        801-272-1218 801-585-9291
[e-mail]
37 D Moss         801-272-6507
[e-mail]
38 D Cox          801-967-9760 801-562-2105
[e-mail]
39 D Beshear      801-957-0840 801-964-8080
[e-mail]
40 D Jones        801-278-7667 801-322-5725
[e-mail]
41 D Arent        801-272-1956 801-538-9505
[e-mail]
42 R Wallace      801-233-9041
[e-mail]
43 R Harper       801-566-5466
[e-mail]
44 R Bennion      801-281-1607 801-288-2144
[e-mail]
45 R Philpot      801-568-7787
[e-mail]
46 D Morgan       801-943-0067 801-943-9614
[e-mail]
47 R Holladay     801-280-6404 801-619-7019
[e-mail]
48 D Beck         801-572-2325 801-572-9347
[e-mail]
49 R Curtis       801-943-3091
[e-mail]
50 R Newbold      801-254-0142
[e-mail]
51 R Swallow      801-572-8201
[e-mail]
52 R Hogue        801-254-1668 801-253-7568
[e-mail]
53 R Ure          435-783-4650 435-783-4650
[e-mail]
54 R Snow         435-722-4162
[e-mail]
55 R Seitz        435-789-0650 435-789-1551
[e-mail]
56 R Cox          801-768-8759 801-768-8759
[e-mail]
57 R Winn         801-319-4471 801-226-5207
[e-mail]
58 R Ferrin       801-224-6823 801-235-9122
[e-mail]
59 R Thompson     801-226-5032
[e-mail]
60 R Bryson       801-226-2061
[e-mail]
61 R Dayton       801-221-0623 801-221-2513
[e-mail]
62 R Alexander    801-375-1092 801-852-2258
[e-mail]
63 R Clark        801-374-6927 801-375-1271
[e-mail]
64 R Lockhart     801-377-7428
[e-mail]
65 R Throckmorton 801-489-8342 801-489-8342
[e-mail]
66 R Way          801-798-2295
[e-mail]
67 R Peterson     435-623-2271
[e-mail]
68 R Styler       435-864-3077 435-864-5660
[e-mail]
69 D King         435-637-7955 435-637-2433
[e-mail]
70 R Johnson      435-529-3227 435-529-7444
[e-mail]
71 D Young        435-259-4542
[e-mail]
72 R Bowman       435-586-8174 435-586-8174
[e-mail]
73 R Hatch        435-676-2214 435-676-2421
[e-mail]
74 R Clark        435-628-5108 435-628-0178
[e-mail]
75 R Urquhart     435-673-4424
[e-mail]


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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cut and paste email addresses for Representatives
Date: 22 Feb 2001 14:04:14 -0700

I had someone ask for these so here they are.  This is, I believe, a full
list of house email addresses--excluding the private email addresses
listed by some reps.  It should be in a nice cut-and-paste format with
one address plus semi-colon seperator per line.  IOW, it should paste
directly into the blind carbon copy (bcc) field of your email handler.

Please be a bit discriminate in sending emails to the entire legislature.
 If nothing else, sometimes you want to send different messages to
democrats and republicans or those who are likely to already support a
bill and those who are likely to already oppose a bill.  And make sure to
always use the bcc field rather than the to field.

Note that some email programs (EG Juno) limit the number of email
addresses that can be entered.  On these systems the list has to be done
in two or more pieces.

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==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Voting delayed due to computer glithes, one more night to call.
Date: 22 Feb 2001 17:06:16 -0700

It seems that voting has been delayed at the capital due to a computer
glitch.  What the anti-gunners won't do to kill a bill. :)

So, if you have not yet contacted house leadership or your own
Representative in support of Donnelson's HB 376 S3 you have one more
evening to do so.  Please do.  If you have contacted them, consider
making a "follow up" call tonight just to ask how things went.  When they
tell you about the voting delay, make sure they will support the bill
tomorrow and will not let it be amended, further substituted, or even
bumped from its place on the agenda.  Once Gary Cox realizes that we are
one step ahead of him and he isn't going to be able to slip a bad
substitute or amendment through he may try to knock it off the agenda.

This is also a good opportunity to email, fax, and/or call in support of
Thompson's HB 264 which requires public schools to offer gun safety to
grades k - 6.

Contact info from previous message:

Phone messages for Speaker Stephens may be left by calling 801-538-1930.
Phone messages for all other House members may be left by calling
801-538-1029.  Ask that these mesages be "hand delivered."

Faxes may be sent to Republican House members at 801-538-1908.
Faxes may be sent to Democratic House members at 801-538-9505.
In either case make sure the legislator's name is in large, clear, print
on the first page of the fax.

--------house leadership email addresses-----------------

[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail];
[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail]


-------------Sample email / fax for HB 376 S3---------------------------
subject:  Please support HB 376 S3, please oppose all further substitutes
or amendments

Dear Honorable Representative;

I'm writing to ask you to support HB 376 S3 in its current form, as
intended by its sponsor, Rep. Donnelson.  Please oppose any further,
hostile efforts, from either side of the aisle, to substitute or amend
this good bill.  Please oppose any efforts to delay this bill or drop it
from
its priority on the agenda.

This bill will save Utahn's money and time.  It will also increase our
safety.  I consider this an extremely important bill.

Please ensure that it passes the house intact.

Please let me know your position on this bill.

Sincerely

name
address


-----------------Sample email / fax for HB
264----------------------------

subject:  Please support HB 264 -- Gun Safety training

Dear Honorable Representative;

I'm writing to ask you to support HB 264 by Rep. Thompson.  This bill is
critically
important to the safety of our children and should be passed on to the
Senate.

Please see to it that the requirement that schools offer this valuable
safety training
is kept strong.  Sadly, most all schools have refused to teach or  allow
volunteers to teach this
material under the "may offer" language that is in current statute.

Please let me know your position on this bill.

Sincerely

name
address


======================
Full list of Representatives' names home phone numbers, their home fax
number if available, and email addresses.  Please make use of these
tonight.

Dis Pty Name      Phone        Fax          E-Mail

01 D Anderson     435-854-3760
[e-mail]
02 R Ferry        435-744-2997 435-744-2999
[e-mail]
03 R Buttars      435-258-5015 435-258-2559
[e-mail]
04 R Pace         435-753-6154 435-753-5013
[e-mail]
05 R Parker       435-245-6275 435-245-7555
[e-mail]
06 R Stephens     801-731-5346 801-538-1908
[e-mail]
07 R Donnelson    801-782-2640
[e-mail]
08 R Murray       801-393-7062
[e-mail]
09 D Hansen       801-393-1514 801-392-8011
[e-mail]
10 D Shurtliff    801-479-0289
[e-mail]
11 R Saunders     801-476-1110
[e-mail]
12 R Adair        801-773-2125 801-773-9927
[e-mail]
13 R Ray          801-774-0624 801-778-8427
[e-mail]
14 R Bush         801-825-3210 801-825-3210
[e-mail]
15 R Aagard       801-546-3935 801-726-8500
[e-mail]
16 R Garn         801-544-3533 801-776-0214
[e-mail]
17 R Dillree      801-451-2773 801-451-6116
[e-mail]
18 R Barrus       801-292-7988
[e-mail]
19 R Allen        801-295-8576 801-402-5218
[e-mail]
20 R Siddoway     801-292-4185 801-294-4135
[e-mail]
21 D Gowans       435-882-2120
[e-mail]
22 D Duckworth    801-250-0728 801-252-1384
[e-mail]
23 D Bourdeaux    801-596-8784 801-596-9085
[e-mail]
24 D Becker       801-364-1656 801-355-2090
[e-mail]
25 D Daniels      801-582-8080 801-583-0802
[e-mail]
26 D Fife         801-521-7383 801-521-6456
[e-mail]
27 D Litvack      801-596-0187
[e-mail]
28 R Bradshaw     801-581-9646 801-581-9646
[e-mail]
29 D Goodfellow   801-968-0626 801-957-3380
[e-mail]
30 D Biskupski    801-484-8369
[e-mail]
31 D McCartney    801-466-3558
[e-mail]
32 R Bigelow      801-968-4188
[e-mail]
33 D Hendrickson  801-969-8920 801-955-5143
[e-mail]
34 R Holdaway     801-964-6360
[e-mail]
35 D Buffmire     801-266-1862
[e-mail]
36 R Tyler        801-272-1218 801-585-9291
[e-mail]
37 D Moss         801-272-6507
[e-mail]
38 D Cox          801-967-9760 801-562-2105
[e-mail]
39 D Beshear      801-957-0840 801-964-8080
[e-mail]
40 D Jones        801-278-7667 801-322-5725
[e-mail]
41 D Arent        801-272-1956 801-538-9505
[e-mail]
42 R Wallace      801-233-9041
[e-mail]
43 R Harper       801-566-5466
[e-mail]
44 R Bennion      801-281-1607 801-288-2144
[e-mail]
45 R Philpot      801-568-7787
[e-mail]
46 D Morgan       801-943-0067 801-943-9614
[e-mail]
47 R Holladay     801-280-6404 801-619-7019
[e-mail]
48 D Beck         801-572-2325 801-572-9347
[e-mail]
49 R Curtis       801-943-3091
[e-mail]
50 R Newbold      801-254-0142
[e-mail]
51 R Swallow      801-572-8201
[e-mail]
52 R Hogue        801-254-1668 801-253-7568
[e-mail]
53 R Ure          435-783-4650 435-783-4650
[e-mail]
54 R Snow         435-722-4162
[e-mail]
55 R Seitz        435-789-0650 435-789-1551
[e-mail]
56 R Cox          801-768-8759 801-768-8759
[e-mail]
57 R Winn         801-319-4471 801-226-5207
[e-mail]
58 R Ferrin       801-224-6823 801-235-9122
[e-mail]
59 R Thompson     801-226-5032
[e-mail]
60 R Bryson       801-226-2061
[e-mail]
61 R Dayton       801-221-0623 801-221-2513
[e-mail]
62 R Alexander    801-375-1092 801-852-2258
[e-mail]
63 R Clark        801-374-6927 801-375-1271
[e-mail]
64 R Lockhart     801-377-7428
[e-mail]
65 R Throckmorton 801-489-8342 801-489-8342
[e-mail]
66 R Way          801-798-2295
[e-mail]
67 R Peterson     435-623-2271
[e-mail]
68 R Styler       435-864-3077 435-864-5660
[e-mail]
69 D King         435-637-7955 435-637-2433
[e-mail]
70 R Johnson      435-529-3227 435-529-7444
[e-mail]
71 D Young        435-259-4542
[e-mail]
72 R Bowman       435-586-8174 435-586-8174
[e-mail]
73 R Hatch        435-676-2214 435-676-2421
[e-mail]
74 R Clark        435-628-5108 435-628-0178
[e-mail]
75 R Urquhart     435-673-4424
[e-mail]

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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dems: Drop Gun Control
Date: 26 Feb 2001 08:50:17 -0700

Some Democrats are seeing the light about "gun control":

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/frame/direct.asp?SITE=www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/sunday/news_13.html

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT!  Concealed carry, Gun Safety Ed, Hate Crimes
Date: 26 Feb 2001 12:15:28 -0700

Sorry for the hiatus over the weekend, my computer was down.  Please read
and act on this infomation quickly.  We've only got three days to go.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------

HB 376-S3 - CONCEALED FIREARMS PERMIT HOLDERS - RECOGNITION - DONNELSON

It has come to our attention that both USSC and GOUtah! have sent out
alerts which contain INCORRECT information about HB 376 S3.  They both
say
that Senators should support HB 376 S3 without amendments.

The truth is that UNLESS HB 376S3 is amended, it will NOT be passed this
year!

While we believe that these are innocent mistakes, resulting from our
request las week that the House pass this bill without amendments,
innocent
mistakes can have very serious consequences.  Despite our best efforts,
the
bill WAS amended and now it needs to be fixed.

Only Utah Gun Owners Alliance (UTGOA) and the Utah Self-Defense
Instructors
Network (US-DIN!) have been on the scene following this bill as it
changes
from minute to minute.  As a result, we have the most current
information.

HB 376S3 said that Utah would honor permits issued by any state or
county.

HB 376S3 Amended version says that Utah will honor permits by any state
or
county that requires a background check.

Here's the problem:  BCI would have to check with each of the more than
3000 states and counties in the US and learn what their firearms laws
are,
so they would know which permits to accept.  In addition, all (or almost
all) of these states and counties DO background checks, but many don't
REQUIRE it by law.  In fact, UTAH doesn't even require background checks
by
law.  As a result, these states and counties would not have their permits

honored, even though they perform background checks.

For BCI to check over 3000 agencies would cost a huge amount of money.
And
it's too late in the session for bills that require funding to be
passed.  So the legislature will have no choice but to KILL this bill.

Don't let this happen!  With YOUR help, we can get Concealed Carry
Recognition passed!

Please CALL your Senator and as many other Senators as you can manage and

ask them to SUPPORT HB 376S3 WITH FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS!  You can send
faxes
to 801-538-1414 (GOP) and 538-1449 (Dem).  You can also leave messages
Monday at the Capitol, 538-1035.

Please also remind Senators that you would like them to vote YES on HB
264
when it comes to the Senate.

CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ALL LEGISLATORS IS AT
http://www.utgoa.org/resources/legcontact01.html

You can also "Clip and Send" the following. Email is very unreliable this

late in the session so we suggest you FAX this.  Send faxes to
801-538-1414
(GOP) and 538-1449 (Dem).

*****************************

264.

Dear Senator:

I am writing to ask you to vote YES on HB 376 S3 - Concealed Weapon
Permit
Holder Recognition by Rep. Glenn Donnelson.  Sen. Steven Poulton is the
Senate sponsor.  Because of some problems with the House language, this
bill needs to be amended, so please SUPPORT FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.

Please also vote YES on HB 264, Gun Safety Law Amendments by Rep.
Thompson.

Please respond and let me know how you intend to vote on these bills.  I
consider these two of the most important bills this session.

Thank you.

YOUR NAME
YOUR ADDRESS

***************************************


HB 264-S2 - Gun Safety Law Amendments - Thompson

HB 264-S2, which requires that schools offer gun safety education to
students in grades K-6 should have its House vote Monday.  Please make
sure
YOUR Representative knows that you would like him/her to vote FOR HB
264.  We also suggest that you contact House leadership, especially Rep.
Ure.

Speaker Marty Stephens,
[e-mail], 801-731-5346

Rep. Kevin Garn (GOP Majority leader),
[e-mail], 801-544-3533

Rep. David Ure (GOP Majority Whip),
[e-mail], 435-783-4650

Rep. Greg Curtis (GOP Ass't. Majority Whip),
[e-mail], 801-943-3091

It is too late for emails on this bill, so please use your phone or
fax.  Messages: 538-1029  Fax (GOP): 538-1908  Fax (DEM) 538-9505


SB 37 - HATE CRIMES AMENDMENTS - SUAZO

You almost certainly know that there is currently a lot of controversy
regarding SB 37, Hate Crimes - Suazo.

Because we are such a powerful and effective group of grass roots
activists, it seems that everyone is trying to claim that gun owners
should
be "on their side".

We therefore feel obligated to point out that Utah Gun Owners Alliance
does
NOT have an official position on this bill - either for or against.

Yesterday, Senate President Al Mansell offered the opinion that gun
owners
should support SB 37.  He thinks we should support it because it would
take
some of the "nuts" off the streets and that by supporting it, it would
give
the gun lobby more credibility.

UTGOA has some philosophical problems with Sen. Mansell's argument.  He
is
assuming that there is a connection between the "gun lobby" and/or gun
owners and "nuts" on the street.  There is no such connection.  UTGOA
members, and members of all the other gun organizations of which we're
aware, are law-abiding, responsible people.  We're not Nazis, skinheads,
gang members or criminals and we don't commit "hate crimes" - or any
crimes.  In fact, we've argued that all the policies that say "Anyone is
welcome here except someone legally carrying a gun", are in themselves a
heinous form of bigotry.

The job of getting "nuts" off the street is the job of law enforcement
and
the criminal justice system; it's not the job of gun owners.  We just
choose to be able to defend ourselves should some "nut" or criminal
decide
to assault us.

It's true that the media work very hard to portray all gun owners as
racists and criminals, and many people believe those lies.  It would be
nice if someone in Sen. Mansell's position were to state publicly that
this
is not true, instead of helping to perpetuate the misinformation.

On the other hand, Arnold Gaunt and some others are claiming that SB 37
is
an "anti-gun bill" and that gun owners should oppose it.

UTGOA is concerned about the provision in SB 37 that allow Class A
misdemeanors to be charged as felonies.  As you know, a person convicted
of
a felony loses his gun rights forever under both state and federal law.

However, although UTGOA has the greatest respect for Mr. Gaunt, we do not

agree with his opinion that SB 37 is an "anti-gun" bill.   And our bylaws

limit us to dealing only with bills that affect gun rights or gun owners.

To reiterate, Utah Gun Owners Alliance has NO official position on SB 37
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Hate Crimes Amendments.  We trust YOU to make the right decision about
this
bill, and to decide what to communicate to your elected officials.


PLEASE PLAN TO JOIN OUR LAST NIGHT GATHERING at the Capitol, Wednesday,
Feb. 28 from about 6:30 PM until midnight.  We'll watch the clock run out
on
the 2001 legislature. (Note new time!)

If all goes well, the session will end on a light note, there will be no
threats to our lives or liberties, and we can celebrate.

If things don't go well (which happened last year), we will need you to
BE
THERE to talk to your legislators, prevent them from passing bad bills,
and
encourage them to pass good bills.  If you're not right there, on the
spot,
prepared to act, you won't be able to influence what happens.

Last year, the legislature passed a viciously anti-gun bill right at
midnight, by only ONE vote.  Other good bills died in the final hours.
If
we'd had more people there to help, this would never have happened.

We'll be gathering outside the House chamber on the third floor, and
breaking up into smaller groups to keep an eye on everything.  Please
plan
to join us.  Look for the people with Utah Gun Owners Alliance badges.


PLEASE PLAN TO TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN DEFENDING YOUR RIGHTS DURING THE
FINAL THREE DAYS OF THE LEGISLATURE.  YOUR INPUT WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN VICTORY AND DEFEAT!


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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Contact info on Senators
Date: 26 Feb 2001 18:24:13 -0700

Here is the contact info on Utah State Senators, followed by "cut and
paste" email address.  Please be sure to be discriminate in the use of
mass emails and, when you feel they are appropriate, be sure to use the
"bcc" field rather than the "to" or "cc" fields as many legislators will
completely ignore any email they know was sent to everyone.

Messages / faxes for all Senators may be sent to the following numbers at
the capital:
Senate Fax: [phone]
Senate Phone: [phone]

Senate Leadership:

President L. Al Mansell
Office [phone]
 Home(801)942-6019
 Fax[phone]
[e-mail]

Majority Leader L. Steve Poulton
Office(801)484-4477
 Home(801)272-4338
 Fax[phone]
[e-mail]

Majority Whip John Valentine
Home(801)224-1693
[e-mail]

Assistant Majority Whip Peter Knudson
Home(435)723-2035
[e-mail]

Minority Leader Mike Dmitrich
Office(435)637-2875
 Home(435)637-0426
[e-mail]

Minority Whip Ron Allen
Office SLC(801)977-0100
 Fax[phone]
[e-mail]

Assistant Minority Whip Pete Suazo
Office(801)328-8181
 Home(801)521-3751
[e-mail]
-----------------------cut and paste Republican Leadership
email-----------

[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ;
[e-mail] ;  [e-mail]


--------------------cut and paste Democratic Leadership
email-----------------------

[e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail]



Full Senate Contact Info:

Dist. 1 Salt Lake
Paula F. Julander (D)
[e-mail]
1467 Penrose Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84103
Office(801)538-1405
Home(801)363-0868

Dist. 2 Salt Lake
Pete Suazo (D)
Assistant Minority Whip
[e-mail]
1307 Garnette Street
Salt Lake City UT 84116
Office(801)328-8181
Home(801)521-3751

Dist. 3 Salt Lake
Gene Davis (D)
Minority Caucus Manager
[e-mail]
865 Parkway Ave
Salt Lake City, Utah 84106
Office(801)263-7108
Home(801)484-9428

Dist. 4 Salt Lake
Howard A. Stephenson (R)
[e-mail]
1038 East 13590 South
Utah Draper, Utah 84020
Office(801)972-8814
Home(801)576-1022
Fax[phone]

Dist. 5 Salt Lake
D. Chris Buttars (R)
[e-mail]
9241 S. Lisa Ave.
West Jordan, Utah 84088
phone[phone]

Dist. 6 Salt Lake
Michael G.Waddoups (R)
[e-mail]
2005 West 5620 South
Salt Lake City UT 84118
Office(801)355-1136
Home(801)967-0225

Dist. 7 Salt Lake
Karen Hale (D)
[e-mail]
2564 Maywood Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84109
Office(801)538-1086
Fax[phone]

Dist. 8 Salt Lake
Carlene M. Walker (R)
[e-mail]
4085 E. Prospector Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84121
Phone[phone]

Dist. 9 Salt Lake
L. Steven Poulton (R)
Majority Leader
[e-mail]
4524 Briarcreek Dr.
Salt Lake City, Utah 84117
Office(801)484-4477
Home(801)272-4338
Fax[phone]

Dist. 10 Salt Lake
L. Alma "Al" Mansell (R)
President
[e-mail]
6995 Union Park Ctr. #100
Midvale, Utah 84047
Office [phone]
Home(801)942-6019
Fax[phone]

Dist. 11 Salt Lake
Ed P Mayne (D)
[e-mail]
5044 West Bannock Circle
West Valley City, Utah 84120
Office(801)972-2771
Home(801)968-7756
Fax[phone]

Dist. 12 Salt Lake
Millie M. Peterson (D)
[e-mail]
7131 West 3800 South
West Valley City, Utah 84128
Home(801)250-5944

Dist. 13 Salt Lake, Tooele
Ron Allen (D)
Minority Whip
[e-mail]
835 Lakeview
Stansbury Park, Utah 84074
Office SLC(801)977-0100
Fax[phone]

Dist. 14 Utah
John L. Valentine (R)
Majority Whip
[e-mail]
857 East 970 North
Orem, Utah 84057
Home(801)224-1693

Dist. 15 Utah
Parley Hellewell (R)
[e-mail]
492 South 1000 West
Orem, Utah 84058
Home(801)226-3034

Dist. 16 Utah
Curtis S. Bramble (R)
[e-mail]
3663 N. 870 E.
Provo, Utah 84604
Phone[phone]

Dist. 17 Utah
Bill Wright (R)
[e-mail]
P.O, Box 178
Elberta,Utah 84626
Phone[phone]

Dist. 18 Davis, Weber
D. Edger Allen (D)
[e-mail]
4317 Fern Dr.
Ogden, Utah 84403
Home(801)392-1050

Dist. 19 Weber, Morgan
Dave Gladwell (R)
[e-mail]
3159 N. 1075 E.
Ogden, Utah 84414
Phone[phone]

Dist. 20 Weber
Scott K. Jenkins (R)
[e-mail]
4385 W. 1975 N.
Plain City, Utah 84404
Phone[phone]

Dist. 21 Davis
David H. Steele (R)
[e-mail]
3376 West 400 North
West Point, Utah 84015
Office(801)538-7824
Home(801)825-3033

Dist. 22 Davis
Terry Spencer (R)
[e-mail]
1110 North Kimberly Dr.
Layton, Utah 84302
Home(801)543-4450

Dist. 23 Davis
Dan R. Eastman (R)
[e-mail]
968 Canyon Creast Dr.
Bountiful,Utah 84010
Phone[phone]

Dist. 24 Box Elder, Cache
Peter C. Knudson (R)
Assistant Majority Whip
[e-mail]
1209 Michelle Dr.
Brigham City, Utah 84302
Home(435)723-2035

Dist. 25 Rich, Summit
Lyle W. Hillyard (R)
[e-mail]
175 East First North
Logan, Utah 84321
Office(435)752-2610
Home(435)753-0043

Dist. 26 Daggett, Duchesne, Summit, Uintah, Wasatch
Beverly Evans (R)
[e-mail]
HC 65, Box 36
Altamont, Utah 84001
Office(435)722-4523 Ext 126
Home(435)454-3719
Fax[phone]

Dist. 27 San Juan, Grand, Emery, Kane, Washington
Mike Dmitrich (D)
Minority Leader
[e-mail]
566 North Dover Circle
Price, Utah 84501
Office(435)637-2875
Home(435)637-0426

Dist. 28 Sanpete, Sevier, Millard, Piute, Wayne, Beaver,
Garfield
Leonard M. Blackham (R)
[e-mail]
P.O. Box 337
Moroni, Utah 84646
Office(435)436-8125
Home(435)436-8489

Dist. 29 Washington, Iron
John W. (Bill) Hickman (R)
[e-mail]
214 N. Emeraud Dr.
St. George, Utah 84770
Home(435)673-2671

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: URGENT ALERT:  Action needed on Gun Bills
Date: 27 Feb 2001 11:40:31 -0700

All,

As of right now, Senate leadership is sitting on our two good gun bills
despite their previous promises to support these bills.  We need to
contact Senate leadership ASAP and let them know we want these bills
supported and passed.

ACTION ITEM:

Please call Senate President L. Al Mansel and Senate Majority Leader L.
Steven Poulton.  A message for both may left in a single call by calling
the Senate operater at 801-538-1035.  We need to ring the capital
switchboard phones off their hooks today and tomorrow.  Ask them to
release and support HB 376 S3 (Concealed Carry Recognition) *with
friendly ammendments* and get it passed.  Ask them to also release and
support HB 264 S2 (Gun Safety Education) as is and get it passed.  Please
do not mention ANY other bills during this phone call.  We recognize that
gun owners have other areas of interest and passion, but we ask that you
make seperate contact on those issues so that this issue is not blurred
in the minds of legislators.  Also--at this time and for this contact on
these two bills--please do not mention or insinuate whether or how their
actions on these two bills may affect your future voting or other
actions.  Simply ask them to keep their word by supporting these two
bills.

Please follow up this phone call with a fax and / or email to each of
these two Senators.  Faxes for both may be sent to the Senate fax machine
at 801-538-1414.  Email addresses are <[e-mail]> and
<[e-mail]>.  Then, a second phone call, this one to their
homes (please do not call later than 10:00 pm) would also help.  They
will likely not be home by then so leave a message with a return phone
number.  (They aren't likely to call you back, but I find that asking
someone to write down a phone number guarantees that they do, in fact,
write down your message and it is more likely to get delivered.)  Their
home numbers are:

Mansel [phone],
Poulton [phone]

Please make similar contact with your own State Senator asking him to
work to get these two bills released and passed.

Finally, please forward the information in this alert to anyone you know
who would be interested but is not likely to have already seen it.

Thank you.

Senate Switchboard 801-538-1035.
Senate Fax: [phone].

=============Sample Phone message to Capital============

You: "Hello.  I'd like to leave a message for Senate President Mansel and
Senate Majority Leader Poulton."

Operator: "What is your name?"

You:  "My name is _________."

Operatort: "And your phone number?"

You:  "My phone number is _________"

Operator: "What is your message?"

You (speaking a bit slower so operator can type message) :  "Please
support HB 376 S3 with friendly amendments and get it passed.  Please
also support HB 264 S2 and get it passed.  Thank you."

Operator:  "Thank you for calling.  Have a nice day."

You:  "Thank you."

=========================================================

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT ALERT!  GUN BILLS IN DANGER!
Date: 27 Feb 2001 11:56:48 -0700


More info on gun bills from UTGOA.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------

Please forward!

SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP is trying to kill our gun bills!

Senate Republican leadership has apparently caved in to pressure from
anti-gunners, perhaps even Gov. Leavitt himself!  They have so far
refused
to put HB 376S3 (Concealed Carry Recognition) or HB 264S2 (Gun Safety
Education) on the Senate schedule.

With the legislative session ending tomorrow, this delay can only be
interpreted as a plan to kill pro-gun legislation.

Over the weekend, Utah Gun Owners Alliance spoke with both Senate
President
Al Mansell and Majority Leader Steven Poulton.  Both of them said
specifically that they supported HB 376S3 and would make sure it
passed.  Sen. Poulton even agreed to sponsor the bill.

Now Rep. Donnelson says they're refusing to put his HB 376S3 on the
schedule at all!

Don't let our gun bills die!

WHAT YOU MUST DO!

1. Call Senate President Al Mansell, and Sen. Steve Poulton.  Remind them

that they promised to support our pro-gun bills and that you expect them
to
do so.  You want them to put both bills on the schedule right away, and
to
do everything possible to make sure they pass with friendly amendments.

Do NOT accept any excuses, and do NOT make ANY threats of any kind.  They

either support gun rights or they don't.

Don't let them confuse you.  If they support gun rights, they'll put our
bills on the schedule and vote for them.  If they don't, then they don't
support gun rights - no matter what they say.

2. Call YOUR Senator.  Ask him/her to do everything possible to make sure

that gun bills get put on the schedule - and to make sure they pass with
friendly amendments.

You can reach all Senators TODAY by calling 801-538-1035.
You can send emails by going to www.utahsenate.org
Al Mansell, [e-mail], 801-942-6019
Steven Poulton, [e-mail], 801-272-4338

You can also send faxes to 538-1414 (R) or 538-1449 (D)

Remember -  Be assertive.  But NO THREATS of any kind.  They either
support
gun rights or they don't.

YOU MUST CALL TODAY OR OUR GUN BILLS WILL BE KILLED!

Thanks!  Just ONE MORE DAY to go, so please hang in there.  With your
help,
we'll have some solid pro-gun legislation passed this year.


Full update to follow this evening.

Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: ALERT:  More calls needed on pro-gun bill
Date: 27 Feb 2001 15:46:07 -0700


Senate Leadership is still sitting on our pro-gun bills, though they are
now claiming they are not trying to kill them, "they just aren't on the
calender yet."

Well, we all know that at this point in the session, any bill that
leadership doesn't put on the calendar, leadership has effectively
killed.  This is unacceptable.  HB 376 S3 passed the house by a HUGE
margin and with every Republican but one (and that was Tyler who everyone
calls a Democrat anyway) and three Democrats supporting it.

Either our Senators and Senate Leadership support our gun rights or they
don't.  If they do, they will get these bills on the calander and get
them passed.  If they don't get them on the calander and get them passed,
then they are clearly unsupportive or even hostile to our RKBA.

Please, if you haven't called yet, do it now.  If you have, call again
and then encourage your spouse, a friend, or a neighbor or relative to
call.

Messages for all Senators may be left at 801-538-1035.  With a single
call you can leave a message for several Senators.  Please call and leave
a message for Senate President Mansell, Senate Majority Leader L. Steven
Poulton, and your own Senator.

Please note that we've received reports that HB 264 "Gun Safety
Education" may have been amended into an anti-gun bill by removing the
"value neutral" language.  If true, this would allow schools to have
Sarah Brady come in to teach gun "safety."  For this reason, please focus
on HB376 S3 for now.

Also, we're receiving reports that House Leadership may be cooling to the
idea of actually acting on HB 376 S3 should a much needed amendment be
passed in the Senate.  Therefore, please also begin calling Speaker
Stephens, Majority Leader Kevin Garn, and your own Representative and ask
them to see to it that HB 376 S3 receive speedy action and pass once the
Senate returns it.  Messages for all Representatives may be left at
801-538-1029.  Additionally, Speaker Stephens may be reached at the
Speaker's office at 801-538-1930.

Please call now.

Also, if possible, please attend the closing hours of the session
tomorrow.  A pro-gun group will be meeting outside the house chambers at
6:30pm to organize and figure out how to best keep an eye on things.  If
you can't make it then, come whenever you can.

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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: URGENT ALERT on Gun bills.
Date: 28 Feb 2001 11:42:15 -0700

HB 376 S3 is about ready to get its final hearing and vote in the Senate.
 We have two issues at this time.

First, we understand that Senator Spencer is preparing to offer a hostile
amendment.  Spencer's amendment would limit the time frame Utah would
honor out-of-state permits to 60 days.  Should this pass, Utah's informal
agreement with some 12 other States to honor each other's permits would
certainly cease to exist.  It is also highly unlikely that the 8 states
posed to recognize Utah's permits if we recognize their permits would
consider this time limit as acceptable and would, therefore, not
recognize our permits.  Finally, as you CCW permit holders know, it takes
longer than 60 days to obtain a Utah CCW.  Thus, if someone moved here
with a valid out-of-state permit, their permit would expire and they
would be unable to legally carry prior to obtaining a Utah permit.  We
need to oppose Sen. Spencer's amendment.

Second, the bill currently contains too large of a fiscal note to be
allowed to become law if passed today.  There is a friendly amendment
that will correct this issue.  This is "amendment 4."  We need to support
this amendment.

ACTION ITEM:

PLEASE call the Senate at once.  Leave a message for your own Senator,
Senate President Mansell, Majority Leader Poulton, and also Sen. Bramble
(who is Senate sponsor of the bill).  Ask them to oppose Sen. Spencer's
amendment and to support "Amendment 4" as written.

Messages should be left at 801-538-1035.

Please then contact friends, family, etc who do not regularly read email
and ask them to call.  We can win this, but only with a supreme effort
from gun owners right now, this morning.

Today is the final day.  Hang in there for a few more hours.


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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT GUN BILL UPDATE
Date: 28 Feb 2001 11:46:33 -0700


I've just called the Senate, and HB 376 S3 IS CURRENTLY BEING DEBATED.
Please call at once and ask your message to be hand delived.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

--------- Forwarded message ----------

URGENT GUN BILL UPDATE!

It turns out that the information give to Utah Gun Owners Alliance
earlier today about Senate leadership "holding" HB 376-S3 (Concealed
Carry Recognition) was incorrect, even though it came from bill
sponsor Glenn Donnelson.  The mixup started when the Senate did not
post a list of new bills to be considered today, which led to the
incorrect conclusion that they were "holding" the bill.

As you can imagine, there are some very hurt feelings on the part of
the Senators who have been working hard to support this bill!

The following people have committed to supporting HB 376-S3 with
friendly amendments.

Senate President Al Mansell
Senate Majority Leader Steve Poulton
Senate Rules Chair Mike Waddoups
Sen. Curt Bramble (who is the Senate sponsor and has been
enthusiastically supporting the bill all along!)

Also:
Sen. Ed Mayne
Sen. Dave Gladwell
Sen. Chris Buttars

There may be others who have not made their support public.

Please make sure you THANK these people for their support for
Concealed Carry Recognition!  If you sent a rude or threatening email,
please APOLOGIZE!

You can reach them by calling 801-538-1035.
You can send email by going to www.utahsenate.org and using the Senate
email system.  Faxes for all except Sen. Mayne can be sent to
538-1414, and to Sen. Mayne at 538-1449.

Full contact information is on the Utah Gun Owners Alliance web site
at www.utgoa.org

Although it was an entirely honest mistake, Utah Gun Owners Alliance
apologizes for disseminating incorrect information.  We appreciate the
support these Senators are showing for HB 376-S3.

We say this over and over, but some of you are still not listening.
DO NOT THREATEN LEGISLATORS!  That includes political threats such as
saying you'll remove them from office.  All you need to say is that
you want the legislator to vote YES (or NO) on a given bill or issue.

Please make sure you THANK the Senator listed above.  If your Senator
is not on this list, please POLITELY ask him/her to support HB 376-S3,
Concealed Carry Recognition.

Thanks!

Sarah Thompson, M.D.
http://www.utgoa.or

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