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sgclegacy-digest       Tuesday, August 28 2001       Volume 01 : Number 001




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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:22:42 -0600
From: Sebastian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Air Test3

Are we on? Is this live?
Testing. Testing.
1. 2. 3.
Testing.

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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:51:05 -0600
From: "ELGIN MOORE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (sgclegacy) Air Test3

Got It !!

>>> Sebastian <[e-mail]> 04/03/00 11:22AM >>>
Are we on? Is this live?
Testing. Testing.
1. 2. 3.
Testing.

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:09:47 -0600
From: "Brad Busath" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (sgclegacy) Air Test3

Got it too!!

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Got It !!

>>> Sebastian <[e-mail]> 04/03/00 11:22AM >>>
Are we on? Is this live?
Testing. Testing.
1. 2. 3.
Testing.

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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:41:37 -0600
From: Sebastian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Welcome to the SGC list

Brothers,

Sorry took a little longer than I'd thought. I still have some configuration left to do, but the list is now up and running. Just send your messages
to <[e-mail]>.

Our four brothers from Weber should be subscribed as well as a few
principals of Delta Chi that were at the meeting.

If others would like to join, have them send a message to <[e-mail]>
with "subscribe sgclegacy" in the body. No subject.

I'd say we give a week for others to subscribe before we try to do
business on this list.
Otherwise we'll have to resend everything. :)

Sebastian
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:29:48 MDT
From: "Jeremy Everts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Re: I have some good news!

Sabastian,

I have made some contact with memebers From California chapters and I got
some e-mail addresses so I will get in touch with them some more and get
them involved because they seem to be interested in the concept of what we
are doing. so I will have to get you some names and addresses to add to your
mailing list ok.  Thanks Bro.

Jeremy Everts   Weber brother.

>
>Brothers,
>
>Sorry took a little longer than I'd thought. I still have some
>configuration left to do, but the list is now up and running. Just send
>your messages
>to <[e-mail]>.
>
>Our four brothers from Weber should be subscribed as well as a few
>principals of Delta Chi that were at the meeting.
>
>If others would like to join, have them send a message to
><[e-mail]>
>with "subscribe sgclegacy" in the body. No subject.
>
>I'd say we give a week for others to subscribe before we try to do
>business on this list.
>Otherwise we'll have to resend everything. :)
>
>Sebastian
><[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:00:12 -0600
From: "Lynn H. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (sgclegacy) Air Test3

I'm with you!

Lynn Jones

Sebastian wrote:

> Are we on? Is this live?
> Testing. Testing.
> 1. 2. 3.
> Testing.
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:20:12 -0600
From: "Benjamin Kempe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (sgclegacy) Air Test3

Look I can reply and not have the original text in the message


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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:23:51 -0600
From: "ELGIN MOORE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) USU Sigmas

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USU rolled over and died
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:24:55 -0600
From: jlmcbride <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Sigma Gamma Chi
Sender: jlmcbride <[e-mail]>
To: ELGIN MOORE <[e-mail]>
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Elgin, sorry that it took so long to respond to your message. This is Jake
McBride the current Interchapter president here in Logan.  I read your message
the day that you sent it but was in a hurry and put it off til later. It is
just now that I am going through all of my old messages to see what I need to
do.

Up here at Utah State we feel that the new program is going to be a great
thing.  We understand that it has been changed under the direction of the
Brethren and feel that it is something that will strengthen the future of
Sigma Gamma Chi.  The organization of such a social group as Sigma Gamma Chi
or the IMA is set up to provide College age men of the church a place where
they can go to associate with others who keep and maintain their same values.
The Ideals of Sigma Gamma Chi have been the basis for how we have run our
program for many years and we have seen this program change lives as well as
provide some serious good times and fun experiences.  I can't tell you of how
many young men I know who have found their way back to the strait and narrow
by joining this fraternity.  I can tell you of one friend of mine from my
chapter who is now serving a mission.  He is a very accomplished snowboarder.
He had decided to forego a mission to train for the 2002 olympic games.  After
one year in Sigma Gamma Chi his mind was made up that he needed to serve the
Lord. We believe that the IMA is nothing more than progress along the same
lines.  I am sure that you have had similar experiences.  Although it is hard
to say goodbye to the way it has been we see no reason in holding onto Sigma
Gamma Chi.  I understand that the church is allowing those who wish it so to
hold onto the name for a while.  The way that we see it, at some time in the
future that will come to an end and we will no longer be able to use that
name.  We figure that if we head full steam into the IMA right now, then in
the future when others are told that it is time to change over for good and
leave it behind we will be so much further along with developing our program.
That is what we want.  I am sorry to say that I will not be too involved with
the IMA next year.  I have been elected to student body office up here on the
Utah State campus and that will keep me from remaining fully active in the
program.  I hope that you are seeing similar progress there at Weber.  Let me
know what you are going to be doing with the program next year.  I would be
interested in hearing.  Next years Interchapter President is going to be Erick
Simmons.  I am sure that he would also be interested in working with the other
Universities to see what it is that they are doing.
Well, Thank you for your time and I hope that all is well there in Ogden.
Jake McBride
IC President, Sigma Gamma Chi, Logan, Utah


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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:41:44 MDT
From: "Jeremy Everts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

My Brothers,

    SO when is the next Committee meeting?  I am looking forwasrd to
attending so that we can continue moving in thew right direction.  Also I am
needed a littel more info before I return to California, because I  will be
working with some of the chapters there to see if we can bring them on board
as well.  Thanks guys.

Your Brother,

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WSU
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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:44:41 -0600
From: "Lynn H. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Re:

Jeremy:

I am going to attend a meeting on May 17th that will outline the future of Sigma
Gamma Chi at the UofU.  I will contact everyone after that meeting to set up a
time to review what I find out and to establish a plan going forward.
Everything seems to be positive for the future at this time.  I will contact you
in a week or so.  Please forward this message to everyone for me.  Thanks.  Lynn

Jeremy Everts wrote:

> My Brothers,
>
>     SO when is the next Committee meeting?  I am looking forwasrd to
> attending so that we can continue moving in thew right direction.  Also I am
> needed a littel more info before I return to California, because I  will be
> working with some of the chapters there to see if we can bring them on board
> as well.  Thanks guys.
>
> Your Brother,
>
> Jeremy Everts
> WSU
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:26:59 -0600
From: "ELGIN MOORE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) SGC fireside

Are we still having the Fireside on Aug 20th and are the Weber State =
Sigmas Still invited to the fireside?=20

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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:05:24 MDT
From: "Jeremy Everts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (sgclegacy) SGC fireside

Elgin,

That is a good question and I would also like to know so that we may
recruite and go ourselves.  Thank you and let me know thank you!

Jeremy Everts











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>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (sgclegacy) SGC fireside
>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:26:59 -0600
>
>Are we still having the Fireside on Aug 20th and are the Weber State Sigmas
>Still invited to the fireside?
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:47:22 -0700
From: "ELGIN MOORE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Fwd: FW: Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzee send this on--experiment

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Subject: FW: Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzee send this on--experiment


- -----Original Message-----
From: McCourt, Carl
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:20 AM
To: Keti, Joann; # A/C Damage - ED; # ABQ System; # Aircraft Movement; #
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Subject: RE: Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzee send this on--experiment




- -----Original Message-----
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CCAIR Accounting; # CCAIR Crew Scheduling; # CCAIR Employee Resources; #
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CCAIR Payroll; # CCAIR Revenue Accounting; # CCAIR Ramp Agents; # CCAIR
Senior Staff; # CCAIR Training; # Finance Dept; # FMN Management; #
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Subject: Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzee send this on--experiment




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Subject: FW: FW: FW: Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzee send this on--experiment




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Subject: FW: FW: FW: Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzee send this on--experiment




- -----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:51 PM
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Subject: Fwd: FW: FW: Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzee send this on--experiment





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>Subject: FW: FW: Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzee send this on--experiment
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:24:13 -0500
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:24:34 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Welcome to the PAF v5 for MacOS X mailing list

So you're asking what did I just get subscribed to?

The sgclegacy is an old mailing list I've had laying around XMission that
hasn't been used in a couple years. So I thought I would recycle it.

I was going to create a new list to discuss this PAF thing with but I
thought it ought to have some sort of cool/code name or something. When we
have one I'll change the name.

Just thought it would be easier this way to have a discussion.

BTW, on this list is:
    Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>, Sorenson Media
    Mel Walker <[e-mail]>, Prosoft
    Barry Watts <[e-mail]>, Financial Fusion
    Keith Lund <[e-mail]>, Red Rock

(Maybe you'd like to introduce yourselves.)

I've known Keith off-and-on for around 22 years since playing Melee and
Wizards in junior high. Mel and I worked together at Novell and Iomega for 5
years. And Barry worked with Mel and I at Iomega for 1-2 years.

If there are others you know who would like to be involved in some way have
them subscribe to this list. It will be a good place to exchange ideas until
a website is actually needed. :)

I think it will be good to have a large pool of talent involved as not
everyone will have time to always be coding.

So I'd like to get an initial group together of around a half to a full
dozen. Come up with a plan of what we'd like to do. And then make a pitch to
the Church.

I'm playing this whole thing by ear right now, so I'm very open to
suggestions.

Any questions? suggestions?

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:09:36 -0600
From: Mel Walker <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) What the?

What is this mailing list? I don't recall signing up for it.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:03:03 -0600
From: Keith Lund <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) OK, let's talk

So I am curious if this project is a humanitarian (free) or is there
designs about some monetary reward in the end?

I could use the money, but the Church is probably not going to let us
look at the source code and generate a for profit produce.  Old code is
over rated anyway.  We could just look at the existing products and
design something better.  Maybe some server-client interaction so as your
relatives do their work you can see the results on your computer.

Keith

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:02:56 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Welcome (doh!)

Everyone,

Sorry for any confusion. I sent a beautiful welcome message last
night, but apparently it arrived before majordomo finished
sub_scribing everyone.

I thought a list would be a good way to communicate. Also sort of a
way to know who's in and who's out.

Why sgclegacy? It's an old mailing list I had laying around not being
used. So I'm recycling it until I know what to call the new list. Any
name suggestions?

Here on the list are:
    Mel Walker, Prosoft
    Keith Lund, Red Rock
    Barry Watts, Financial Fusion
    Eric Herrmann, Sorenson Media

I've known Keith off-and-on for 22 years. Mel and I worked at Novell
and Iomega for 5 years. And Barry worked with Mel and I at Iomega for
about 2 years.

If you know others might have an interest, let them know about the
list and I'll subscribe them.

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<[e-mail]>H

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:09:34 -0600
From: Bill Peters <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Re: PAF

Hi Eric (and everyone else),

I got your message through Keith and thought I would tell you what I knew.

I contacted Steve Canon (the guy in charge of the project ) about
doing the same thing back in March. He gave me the same story. I told
him I would do the work as a hobby and gave him a proposal for the
first phase of the work.

One thing they wanted was a better installer. Apparently they are
paying royalties for the one they are using right now. I built a
simple one using stuffit and agreed to let them use it royalty free
if they wanted. Nothing more ever happened though. I think they are
too busy with the windows version to really care about the mac.

There are two other things they wanted in phase one, but I'd have to
look through my old emails to get the details. One was a better
GEDCOM importer, but I can't remember the other.

Tuesday I talked to a lady on the bus who works at church HQ. She
told me about the turn of events and told me to contact Steve to get
the source. I tried unsuccessfully yesterday and planned to try again
this afternoon.

So in short, I would be interested in joining the group. My mother in
law has been after me for several years to do something about PAF,
and this effort would really make her happy.

If someone else is already in contact with Steve, that's fine. If
not, I'll let him know there is a group of five of us ready to take
on the project.

Thanks,
Bill Peters



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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:36:05 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (sgclegacy) Re: PAF

>I got your message through Keith and thought I would tell you what I
knew.

Good to have you on board. Aren't you also at Red Rock?

> Tuesday I talked to a lady on the bus who works at church HQ. She
> told me about the turn of events and told me to contact Steve to get

> the source. I tried unsuccessfully yesterday and planned to try
again
> this afternoon.

Which turn of events?

Have you looked at the source?

Do we have some place we can put the source?
Anybody have a favorite repository?

> So in short, I would be interested in joining the group. My mother
in
> law has been after me for several years to do something about PAF,
> and this effort would really make her happy.

I've tried to get my mom to use Reunion, but she just doesn't like it.
PAF is the only thing for her.

> If someone else is already in contact with Steve, that's fine. If
> not, I'll let him know there is a group of five of us ready to take
> on the project.

I've never had contact him other than my father speaking to him.
If you want to be our point of contact with Steve, that's fine with
me.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:42:37 -0600
From: Bill Peters <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (sgclegacy) Re: PAF

>  >I got your message through Keith and thought I would tell you what I
>knew.
>
>Good to have you on board. Aren't you also at Red Rock?

Still there. This is just my private email.


>  > Tuesday I talked to a lady on the bus who works at church HQ. She
>>  told me about the turn of events and told me to contact Steve to get
>
>>  the source. I tried unsuccessfully yesterday and planned to try
>again
>>  this afternoon.
>
>Which turn of events?
>
>Have you looked at the source?
>
>Do we have some place we can put the source?
>Anybody have a favorite repository?

I'm not too sure on the details. I gathered it was a budget meeting
where they they decided _not_ to allocate any money for the mac
version of PAF. The lady that I know is actually on the PAF crew and
is (I think) in charge of QA for the windows version. She has
volunteered her services to help with usability testing and QA.

Otherwise, I don't have the source. I do have an ftp site where we
could put it, though, if no one else has a better place.


>  > So in short, I would be interested in joining the group. My mother
>in
>>  law has been after me for several years to do something about PAF,
>>  and this effort would really make her happy.
>
>I've tried to get my mom to use Reunion, but she just doesn't like it.
>PAF is the only thing for her.
>
>>  If someone else is already in contact with Steve, that's fine. If
>>  not, I'll let him know there is a group of five of us ready to take
>>  on the project.
>
>I've never had contact him other than my father speaking to him.
>If you want to be our point of contact with Steve, that's fine with
>me.

I'll call him after lunch and see if I can get the source from him.
Probably some legal hoops to jump through first, though.

Bill


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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:03:42 -0600
From: Keith Lund <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (sgclegacy) Re: PAF

So Bill, did anything happen on talking to Steve?

Keith

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:18:02 -0600
From: Keith Lund <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Changed Email Addresses

Not that you guys care, but FYI.  I changed my subscribed email address
from [e-mail] to [e-mail].  It's my alter ego.

Keith

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:56:55 -0600
From: Bill Peters <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Re: PAF

Well, nothing official yet. When I talked to him Thursday afternoon
he reaffirmed the church position on funding (that there wouldn't be
any) and that he needed some time to find out what we would be
allowed to do on the project. I'm supposed to call him back on Friday.

However, he did seem interested in the project and in helping us out.
I think there's a good chance of us getting going on it soon. I'll
let you know more when I talk to him this week.

Bill



>So Bill, did anything happen on talking to Steve?
>
>Keith
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:12:29 -0600
From: Bill Peters <[e-mail]>
Subject: (sgclegacy) Fwd: Re: Mac PAF

Here's the latest in my dealings with my PAF contact at church HQ. As
you can see, not much has changed, and there seems to be little hope
at this point that they will change their ways. (I first contacted
this guy over two years ago.)

However, the parable of the unrighteous judge comes to mind. Perhaps
if I leak you his email address and we all weary him on a weekly
basis, something may happen.

Anyone have any other ideas?

Bill


>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:56:04 -0600
>From: "Steven Cannon"
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Mac PAF
>
>The delay is caused because we are still trying to formulate what
>our policy and direction is going to be for Macintosh.  It is also
>because there are higher priority projects consuming much of our
>time at the moment.  We hope to be able to have something definitive
>in the new few weeks.
>
>To be honest, the small percentage of Macintosh users has not been
>able to justify any resources in light of the other high priorities
>in recent times.  It looks like few, if any, resources will be
>forthcoming from the Church in terms of the Macintosh.  What we are
>trying to work out is how much, if any, effort and help we should
>give third parties like yourself who have such an interest in seeing
>PAF or something similar on a Macintosh.
>
>>>>  Bill Peters <[e-mail]> 08/28/01 08:13AM >>>
>Hi Steve,
>
>It's been a while since I last spoke to you, and I was curious to
>know if you had made any progress finding out what can be done to the
>Mac version of PAF. As you may remember, in July I called you and
>told you about a group of five professional Mac programmers who
>wanted to help on a volunteer basis. You requested that I call back a
>week later to see what you were able to find out. Unfortunately since
>then I haven't been able to reach you. Thus I am left to assume one
>of the following things:
>
>1) life is busy and this hasn't been a priority for some person(s) in
>the chain of command
>
>2) many are called and I wasn't chosen (you found someone else to do the work)
>
>3) a wolf in sheep's clothing (Mac hostile person(s)) in your midst.
>
>In regards to point three, I know sometimes Mac people have the
>reputation for being paranoid. But when you have been in this
>position as long as I have, you learn that there is more often than
>not an element of truth to these kinds of suspicions.
>
>And in regards to sheep in general, the prevailing assumption is that
>the Mac market share only represents two or three percent of computer
>users. Consequently, many companies feel that it just isn't worth the
>time or effort to make Mac software.
>
>However it calls to mind the story of the Good Shepherd, who left His
>ninety and nine sheep who were safe and went out to find the one.
>Considering what the Church spends for other areas of temple and
>genealogy work, it would seem natural that a Mac (and Linux, etc)
>version of PAF be important as well.
>
>I hope I am wrong, and that my suspicions are unfounded. However I
>have heard many instances of people who already have a Mac and who
>are trying to justify buying a PC so they can run PAF. This just
>seems wrong to me, especially considering the business practices of
>the company who writes the dominant PC operating system. And even
>Virtual PC, though a marvelous engineering feat, is an expensive
>product and beyond the reach of many.
>
>Anyhow, enough food for thought. I hope that this message will be
>taken in the spirit in which it was intended, and not be a cause of
>offence, as none was intended. If it would help, you may forward it
>on to whomever could help to expedite the process.
>
>Thank you,
>Bill Peters


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