ftp.xmission.com

home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search

/ ftp.xmission.com / 2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar / ftp.xmission.com / pub / lists / roswell / archive / roswell.200011 < prev next >

Wrap

Internet Message Format | 2000-11-29 | 118KB

From: Emily--with a "y" <PhishIz47@roswell.every1.net> Subject: Re: [roswell] end of the world..... Date: 01 Nov 2000 12:07:02 -0800 (PST) Okay, yeah, no more Max & Liz, boohoo... But did anyone notice that ISABEL WAS NOT IN THE EPISODE AT ALL!?!?!? I mean, she was in the Crashdown with Michael for five seconds, but she didn't even *say* anything, so that doesn't count! That was the saddest part about the episode. Mind you, I was crying right there with all of you when Max asked Liz to help him fall out of love with her and everything, but no Isabel is just infititely worse. Please, someone tell me you feel my pain. Isabel in no way deserves to be left out of any episode! It's completely unfair. If I were Katherine, I would throw a fit and make the writers put me in somewhere, but she's probably too professional for that. But come on! The whole Max and Liz have no chance thing was bad enough, but they had to make it even worse for me by leaving Isabel out of the episode completely. Horrible, horrible, horrible... == ~Emily (but then you probably knew that...) "Some people are just pigs."~Liz Parker... Isabel Evans _____________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peplik@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] Question??? Date: 01 Nov 2000 17:22:57 EST Hey everyone! I remember you guys talking about a Roswell calendar is there one I get for 2001 in a store or is it online only?? Please fill me in! THANX kALINA Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MSTung@aol.com Subject: [roswell] Roswell Soundtrack? Date: 01 Nov 2000 19:05:57 EST hello! there was a rumor a while ago saying that there was suppose to be a Roswell soundtrack if theres to be a second season, and since there is a second season, is there a soundtrack? Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MSTung@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] end of the world..... Date: 01 Nov 2000 19:10:22 EST In a message dated 00-11-01 15:08:07 EST, you write: << But did anyone notice that ISABEL WAS NOT IN THE EPISODE AT ALL!?!?!? I mean, she was in the Crashdown with Michael for five seconds, but she didn't even *say* anything, so that doesn't count! >> hi! That wasn't Isabel in the Crashdown. Are you talking about the part where Liz looks out from the kitchen of the crashdown and michael is talkiong to this blonde girl? If that's the part , I thought that blonde girl was Courtney the other waitress who's a skin. As far as I knew there was even a second of isabel in the episode. Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sugar14672@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] end of the world..... Date: 01 Nov 2000 19:20:07 EST --part1_df.bc9ee52.27320d37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No that girl she saw was Isabel. -Meghan- (The 'Shipper whore) "Hey!..Hey it's me!" "Prove it" "Your a dick.." "O-kay!" -The movie-X-men (My FAVE movie ever!) --part1_df.bc9ee52.27320d37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>No that girl she saw was Isabel. -Meghan- (The 'Shipper whore) -------------------------------------------------------------- "Hey!..Hey it's me!" "Prove it" "Your a dick.." "O-kay!" -The movie-X-men (My FAVE movie ever!) </HTML> --part1_df.bc9ee52.27320d37_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colin Roth <C.Roth@Sheffield.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [roswell] Question??? Date: 02 Nov 2000 08:48:56 +0100 Hi! Kaklina asked, >I remember you guys talking about a Roswell calendar is there one I get for >2001 in a store or is it online only?? I got my copy on line, from www.roswell.com, which routes you to another URL (but the same company), http://www.tvmerch.com/. They've been very helpful and reliable - and they've got the Roswell cards coming in on 15 November . . . Cheers, Colin. Dr Colin Roth - Convocation Trust for the Arts - 0114 275 2575 Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sapphire" <sapphire@happyfunland.net> Subject: [roswell] Fw: Roswell and Buffy cards Date: 03 Nov 2000 08:09:21 -0500 Sending this on for my sister-in-law.... I do have the Roswell promo card, and they look like they will be good cards, also made by Inkworks. Slightly bummed about no Max card to add to my Men of the WB Autograph card collection, but Nick and Colin will definitely add to it :-) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 7:58 PM > Hey > It's time to pre-order Roswell cards > $55 per box. $15 per 90 card set. $18 for the binder. > Aliens Among Us 9 card foil puzzle featuring the alien teen aprox 1:11 packs > Not of This Earth 6 cards featuriing the strange happening in Roswell > aprox 1:17 packs > Alien Ords 2 die cut ords that when put together revels the secret message > from season 1 aprox 1:72 packs > confirmed autograph cards Jonathan Frakes,Shiri Appleby (Liz), Colin > Hanks(Alex), William Sadler (Sheriff Valenti), Julie Ben (Agent Topolsky), > and Nick Weschler (Kyle) > Special box loader promo card for box customers. > > Still available Buffy season 4 boxes $55, sets $15, and new light blue > binder $18 > Angel season 1 boxes $55, sets $15 and Angel binder $18. > I also have 1 Angel Dark Avenger uncut sheet #141 of 500 available at $65 > > to order or for information email > Lora Smith loralee@comteck.com > Lora's Non Sports Cards www.homestead.com/lorascards/cards.html > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debhanza@aol.com Subject: [roswell] [Roswell] Awesome News!! Date: 04 Nov 2000 10:56:45 EST --part1_13.cf9baf1.27358bbd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just went to crashdown, and saw this: 11.04.00 =A0 07:09 PST <<A HREF=3D"http://www.crashdown.com//news/1308.shtml"><Roswell Picked Up Fo= r Full Season!</A> "I'm sure there will be more "official" news on this when all the West=20 Coasters wake up, but I figured I'd give y'all the first heads up now. WE DI= D=20 IT! You should all be proud.<Ms. Carolyn, who runs <A HREF=3D"http://www.wil= liamsadler.com/">Bill Sadler's Official=20 <Website</A>, reports that she got a phone call last night from "Bill and Co= "=20 telling her that Roswell had been picked up for the remainder of the second=20 season. Whoo hooo!" AWESOME NEWS, huh! I am so excited!!! =20 ~Deb~ =20 --part1_13.cf9baf1.27358bbd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML>I just went to crashdown, and saw this: 11.04.00 =A0 07:09 PST <A HREF=3D"http://www.crashdown.com//news/1308.shtml">Roswell Picked Up=20= For Full Season!</A> "I'm sure there will be more "official" news on this wh= en all the West Coasters wake up, but I figured I'd give y'all the first= heads up now. WE DID IT! You should all be proud.Ms. Carolyn= , who runs <A HREF=3D"http://www.williamsadler.com/">Bill Sadler's Official=20= Website</A>, reports that she got a phone call last night=20= from "Bill and Co" telling her that Roswell had been picked up for the r= emainder of the second season. Whoo hooo!" AWESOME NEWS, huh! I am so excited!!! ~Deb~ =20 </HTML> --part1_13.cf9baf1.27358bbd_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PrincessTea00@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] [Roswell] Awesome News!! Date: 04 Nov 2000 11:10:40 EST --part1_17.d093bfa.27358f00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ><Ms. Carolyn, who runs <A HREF="http://www.williamsadler.com/">Bill Sadler's Official ><Website</A>, reports that she got a phone call last night from "Bill and >Co" >telling her that Roswell had been picked up for the remainder of >the second >season. Whoo hooo!" yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whooooooo hoooooooooooo! happy days! smiles all around! *tea* --part1_17.d093bfa.27358f00_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>>Ms. Carolyn, who runs <A HREF="http://www.williamsadler.com/">Bill Sadler's Official >Website</A>, reports that she got a phone call last night from "Bill and >Co" >telling her that Roswell had been picked up for the remainder of >the second >season. Whoo hooo!" yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whooooooo hoooooooooooo! happy days! smiles all around! *tea*</HTML> --part1_17.d093bfa.27358f00_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jillybean2060@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] [Roswell] Awesome News!! Date: 04 Nov 2000 17:52:36 EST --part1_56.2d839cc.2735ed34_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm so histerical right now!! that is totally in a good way! i can't believe we pulled it off! wait. . yes i do! i have so much faith in roswell. . and all i can say is i can't wait till season 3!!!!! alright i'm okay now. . ::calmed:: lol Jill --part1_56.2d839cc.2735ed34_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>I'm so histerical right now!! that is totally in a good way! i can't believe we pulled it off! wait. . yes i do! i have so much faith in roswell. . and all i can say is i can't wait till season 3!!!!! alright i'm okay now. . ::calmed:: lol Jill</HTML> --part1_56.2d839cc.2735ed34_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 04 Nov 2000 23:08:25 -0600 Well, for those of you who haven't seen End of The World yet, it's definitely a tear-jerker. It's interesting to see how the relationships are progressing along. I think we were all getting a little concerned that we weren't going to see anything about the relationships again. (And some of you may even be more concerned with the new results!) As you know, I was a little worried about this episode after seeing the previews. But this Katims-written episode gave us a bit of what we had seen from the first episode (Liz going to Kyle, for instance), while still keeping that heavy sci-fi going on. I had asked for more of the relationship stuff earlier, with a bit of the fast-paced sci-fi stuff, but instead, got a large heaping plate-full of relationship with a huge slab of sci-fi slopped right in the middle of it. For many of us, it may have been too much to digest. Anyhoo, I watched this episode with someone else, and had to explain that future-Max ceased to exist, and did not return to the future. I guess you could say what he would have become died, and that certainly was a tear-jerking moment to a die-hard Behr fan. Time had been altered, and now Liz and Max will no longer be together -- and they're wedding, they're romance, and everything they once experienced is gone forever. Apparently dire consequences will ensue should not the Royal Four remain a close unit, but it wasn't fully understood why Max HAD to fall out of love with Liz, rather than just ensuring Tess is part of the gang. (Of course, should things 'get better' for the pod squad, I can imagine Liz admitting that Kyle and her in bed was staged, and there's still a way for them to get back together.) Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, despite the fact that it can be very heartbreaking to watch. The plot line held together quite well, and this was one of the larger things that concerned me about this season at first. It also had some pretty funny moments to off-set the gut-wrenching ending. As long as the episodes keep getting better like this, and if the news regarding the full season renewal is true, I think we have a lot to look forward to. I think the last two episodes' storylines and execution was much better, and much more coherent. I also liked the fact that it didn't have the odd 'ha-ha-ha' goofy ending, as they apparently were trying to make it feel more like a 'teenage' show in the first couple of episodes. I almost did not notice Katherine's absence in this episode, except for that one snippet of her laughing with Michael. But I suppose since she had an 'Isabel episode,' she took some time off. Looks like Liz may not have a big part in next week's episode(?). I had wondered what in the world they were going to do with Kyle this season, but I'm really liking how he and Tess are being squeezed back into the show, when they've remained so much in the background in the past. While we thought Kyle and Tess might hook up, now it looks as though it'll be Tess/Max, Kyle/Liz, Alex/Maria(?) and Michael/Isabel(?). Seems the writers are pretty stuck on this destiny thing... I wonder why they didn't play Gomez's flagship song, "So you want to spin the world around" instead of Cheryl Crow at the end? Then again, they could have played Max's serenading. :) Technical difficulties: I noticed someone on a different list mentioned that time travel isn't possible, and while it isn't currently possible for, well, humans, there is no law in relative physics that does not allow for time travel. However, it would take the power of something greater than our own Sun to produce the energy requirement, and the current theory presented in quantum physics also allows for it, but the time traveler would end up in an *alternate* reality, and could not affect our own timeline regardless of what he does in the alternate reality. Assuming one could build such a machine to make this happen, and presuming the time traveler could actually specify which reality to go to (that would be the closest match of his own reality and timeline), etc., there aren't any known laws that state that Max encountering himself in the past of an alternate reality would destroy each other (that I know of, at least). Star Trek also tends to suffer from these types of technical difficulties, such as the 'beam me up Scotty' routine. Breaking down the particles of anything even as small as a human body would cause a nuclear reaction that would blow a small chuck of the United States to kingdom come, for instance. But of course, it's just science fiction. :) Anyway, I'd give it a 4.5 stars out of 5. Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "laura" <sleepingfaery@home.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 04 Nov 2000 22:25:38 -0700 hi! > (And some of > you may even be more concerned with the new results!) > very concerned, and more than a bit upset!!! > Anyhoo, I watched this episode with someone else, and had to explain that > future-Max ceased to exist, and did not return to the future. I guess you > could say what he would have become died, and that certainly was a > tear-jerking moment to a die-hard Behr fan. Time had been altered, and now > Liz and Max will no longer be together -- and they're wedding, they're > romance, and everything they once experienced is gone forever. Well, i guess i felt it was really just THAT PARTICULAR future is gone, well, really never even happened. that isn't to say that max & liz don't get together, don't get married. just not like it had been THAT time. they could still get togther, but since the circumstances would be different, that future max still wouldn't exist, but a different one could. one where max & liz can be together and it's okay, so he wouldn't need to go back in time and change it. whew. does that make sense? Apparently > dire consequences will ensue should not the Royal Four remain a close unit, > but it wasn't fully understood why Max HAD to fall out of love with Liz, > rather than just ensuring Tess is part of the gang. (Of course, should > things 'get better' for the pod squad, I can imagine Liz admitting that Kyle > and her in bed was staged, and there's still a way for them to get back > together.) but even so, liz hurt max so badly. to get that image out - even if it was a staged image - out of his head, will be so hard...... > I had wondered what in the world they were going to do with Kyle this > season, but I'm really liking how he and Tess are being squeezed back into > the show, when they've remained so much in the background in the past. While > we thought Kyle and Tess might hook up, now it looks as though it'll be > Tess/Max, Kyle/Liz, Alex/Maria(?) and Michael/Isabel(?). Seems the writers > are pretty stuck on this destiny thing... oh i so hope not. i really hope they don't drag out this tess/max thing too long. i don't hate tess, or anything, i just don't like her with max. > > Anyway, I'd give it a 4.5 stars out of 5. > it was a great episode. it had great writing, and wonderful acting. i thought the plot was terrible, and i couldn't believe what they were doing to max and liz. i still can't. smiles, laura Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RayneFire2@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 05 Nov 2000 02:11:48 EST In a message dated 11/5/00 12:08:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, mikestone65@home.com writes: > I wonder why they didn't play Gomez's flagship song, "So you want to spin > the world around" instead of Cheryl Crow at the end? Then again, they could > have played Max's serenading. :) Because Future Max had said that the Sheryl Crow song, "I Still Believe" was the song they danced to after they got married and it because their song. Rayne Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maimie Abrego" <maimiea@pdq.net> Subject: Re: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 05 Nov 2000 07:34:44 -0600 I agree with Mike - this was an excellent episode. The first time I watched it though, I had such an extreme feeling of loss. The second time I watched it, I cried. Max and Liz are my primary reason I even started watching Roswell and I cannot believe they will no longer "feel" anything for each other. Somehow, I think Max will learn of Liz's deception and carry the torch for her forever - this is also part hope and belief in true love will find a way. I think I saw that the "whole" gang will be at the funeral for Whitaker next week. It really looks kind of scary - with Whitaker as a shell in the casket and all. I think the progression of the second season has been wonderful. That might be an adult's opinion, but I believe it is moving along very, very well. I like the variety. I was not really overly concerned about not seeing Isabel in the episode - it was a Max/Liz story - I hope Maria gets a little stronger - she is coming off a little too emotional or something - but the thought of her and Alex seems kind of odd. I see Alex with Liz before I see Alex with Maria. Maybe Alex is being protective because he was hurt when he learned from the fortune teller he would never be more than friends with Isabel and hated seeing his friend hurt from her relationship with Michael. Kind of a weird diagnosis, but you get what I mean, don't you? Well - enough of the rambling. Just read the show has been picked up for a full season!!! How could they not, may I ask????? Maimie Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maimie Abrego" <maimiea@pdq.net> Subject: Re: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 05 Nov 2000 11:24:35 -0600 I was going crazy looking for the song you mentioned by Sheryl Crow - It's title is "I Shall Believe" and is on her CD - Tuesday Night Music Club - just FYI for anybody who wants to know. Maimie Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 05 Nov 2000 12:16:38 -0600 > Because Future Max had said that the Sheryl Crow song, "I Still > Believe" was the song they danced to after they got married > and it because their song. Glad you mentioned this, because I totally missed out on that. I figured it was just because of the lyrics. Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emily--with a "y" <PhishIz47@roswell.every1.net> Subject: RE: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 05 Nov 2000 10:31:43 -0800 (PST) DAMMIT! Doesn't anyone care that Isabel wasn't in the episode? I mean, she's a main character, and they totally left her out! Come on, listees! Tell me I'm not the only one who cares! I mean, "The End of the World" was hard enough to watch without crying, but when I realized that Isabel wasn't going to be in it AT ALL, I started bawling. It was just sadness compounded with horribleness. Please! Help me out and tell me I'm not the only one who cares! == ~Emily (but then you probably knew that...) "Some people are just pigs."~Liz Parker... Isabel Evans _____________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "laura" <sleepingfaery@home.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 05 Nov 2000 11:38:29 -0700 well, i guess it is just that since she had just had an eppy where she was the main focus, i didn't think it was that odd. could be she wanted the time off, or whatever. it seems that in this coming ep, we won't see too much of Michael or Maria, at least according to what i have heard, since it is just Isabel, Max, Liz and Tess that go to AZ for whittakers funeral. so yes i kinda missed her, but didn't think it was that odd....... --laura ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:31 AM > DAMMIT! Doesn't anyone care that Isabel wasn't in the episode? I mean, she's a main character, and they totally left her out! Come on, listees! Tell me I'm not the only one who cares! I mean, "The End of the World" was hard enough to watch without crying, but when I realized that Isabel wasn't going to be in it AT ALL, I started bawling. It was just sadness compounded with horribleness. Please! Help me out and tell me I'm not the only one who cares! > > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debhanza@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 05 Nov 2000 16:37:18 EST I agree with Laura. I like Isabel, and I noticed she wasn't there, but "Surprise" was focused completely on her. The last few episodes have been based on one main person in them (so they can't spend the same amount of time on everyone), and I don't think they mean to leave anyone out. Whether its actually true or not, I find that Isabel, Max, Liz and Tess going together to AZ strange. I assumed Liz wouldn't be anywhere near Max for quite awhile (considering what he saw, and how painful it would be for them). I had imagined Micheal there in Liz's place, but I guess Liz worked for Whittaker, and maybe Micheal had to be somewhere else. Who knows.. Can't wait till Monday night! Any one else see the spoiler picture for "Meet the Dupes" at Crashdown? http://www.crashdown.com//news/1303.shtml I think its kind of funny! Then a picure from wipeout is there as well. Jason sure can pretend he's in pain, can't he! ~Deborah Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maimie Abrego" <maimiea@pdq.net> Subject: Re: [roswell] The End Of The World Date: 05 Nov 2000 15:37:29 -0600 I just wanted to add - I had read in an interview last year that Katherine was glad to not have to show up every day to the studio. I agree since she had "Surprise" just two weeks ago she was in almost every scene. I think Jason and Brendan thought the same thing. It was like a break or something for them. There is such a huge area of storyline for the show to cover that it is impossible to write everybody in all the time I would think. I know when I read Emily's post - I really felt bad, but I think there will be times when one or two of the cast will not be in every episode. Take care, Maimie Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maimie Abrego" <maimiea@pdq.net> Subject: [roswell] Re: Spoiler - Harvest Date: 05 Nov 2000 15:40:33 -0600 S P O I L E R I read on Mr. Video that Michael and Maria search for a missing Courtney, while the rest are at the funeral. Maimie Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "willow rosenburg" <willow_co@hotmail.com> Subject: [roswell] Re: Awesome News!! Date: 06 Nov 2000 21:46:15 CST Hey All!!!! Yeah, like i'm really glad for all of you but does any one know when or if the second series is coming to Australia?????? i emailed channel nine and asked them but they have yet to answer me!!!! so yeah bye lizz _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peplik@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] Date: 06 Nov 2000 22:53:38 EST Thanx Colin Kalina Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Newman" <michael_newman01@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] Re: Awesome News!! Date: 07 Nov 2000 20:03:31 EST hey i tried to email them they haven't emailed me yet either so i don't know sorry _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chantel Reynolds <chantel_reynolds@yahoo.com> Subject: [roswell] more campaign stuff Date: 13 Nov 2000 07:46:37 -0800 (PST) Roswell fans, get ready ! We have a full season ... but higher ratings, here we come ! Since we no longer need to send postcards to the WB, we thought that it might be a good idea to switch gears and focus our attention towards getting Roswell some much-deserved attention which will lead to higher ratings ! Here's the plan: We will start sending our postcards to 3 targets each week, *thanking them for supporting Roswell and asking for their continued support*. As we run out of postcards, we can either produce more or start sending letters to the targets. We currently have almost 2,000 postcards ready to be mailed to participants that need them. Requests for postcards can be directed here: Postcards@SaveRoswell.com Follow this link and print out the image three times: http://www.roswellian.org/images/westillbelieve2.jpg Cut out and glue each image onto the front of 3 regular postcards. Our first set of targets for this big project are: Mr. Matt Roush TV Guide 1211 Avenue of the Americas New York, NY 10036 Programming Director KTLA-TV 5800 Sunset Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90028 Advertising Department Sprint PCS 4717 Grand Avenue Kansas City, MO 64112 Be sure to get as many other people as you can to join in - tell your friends, family, neighbors, classmates, teachers, co-workers, etc. And don't forget to spread the word to as many other Roswell sites/boards/clubs as you can. If anyone has any questions, please contact us at scott73@saveroswell.com So let's get mailing! The Campaign Crew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Girl" <kellygirl_1@hotmail.com> Subject: [roswell] whoa! spoilers-ever so minor Date: 14 Nov 2000 03:19:46 GMT hello all, i have not posted in a while, but tonights ep makes me come out of lurkdom. my *partner in crime* and i usually agree in our thoughts of Roswell episodes. i am not a big sci-fi fan and def last weeks ep was sci-fi. i luved it! my better half who is a sci-fi luver did not. okay on to minor spoilers --- # # # # # # # tonights episode was def sci-fi, but not so much that my better half did not like it. there is enough *air* time of all the major characters--- a very major plus. sooooo very sad that courtney died and the reaction to that news (to michael) was touching. with this show it is hard to get *close* to anyone... cuz the way the writers *write* everyone is the enemy, so i still viewed courtney's presence as the enemy until i saw her kill herself for the good of the pod squad. max's reaction to everyone's *secret* was also interesting. with each eppie, i luv this show more and more and i can see why it was picked up for a whole season more. kellygirl _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hayley willis" <hayleyw@iweb.net.au> Subject: [roswell] Australian Fans Date: 14 Nov 2000 19:25:12 +1030 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C04E70.9BF4F6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Do any of the Australian people know when Roswell is coming = on??????? ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C04E70.9BF4F6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-7 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV>-----Do any of the Australian = people know=20 when Roswell is coming = on???????</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C04E70.9BF4F6C0-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jenny Crook <jlcrook@yahoo.com> Subject: [roswell] Wipe Out! (spoilers if you haven't seen it) Date: 14 Nov 2000 08:51:46 -0800 (PST) --0-1856669179-974220706=:18151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Do the skins fall apart in everyone's hands, or am I just being optimistic? When Maria and Michael were in Courtney's place and she picked up the skin, it didn't fall apart until he touched it. And last night, when Liz touched that skin... Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! --0-1856669179-974220706=:18151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Do the skins fall apart in everyone's hands, or am I just being optimistic? When Maria and Michael were in Courtney's place and she picked up the skin, it didn't fall apart until he touched it. And last night, when Liz touched that skin... <hr size=1>Do You Yahoo!? <a href="http://calendar.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Calendar</a> - Get organized for the holidays! --0-1856669179-974220706=:18151-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PrincessTea00@aol.com Subject: [roswell] last nites ep. Date: 14 Nov 2000 13:42:41 EST --part1_a1.d0037f3.2742e1a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just one thing....... where's Alex????? hes been gone for a while. i miss him. *tea* --part1_a1.d0037f3.2742e1a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>just one thing....... where's Alex????? hes been gone for a while. i miss him. *tea*</HTML> --part1_a1.d0037f3.2742e1a1_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debhanza@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. Date: 14 Nov 2000 14:01:58 EST --part1_62.9040d21.2742e626_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex just happened to be in town when all the people disappeared. I loved at the end when Valenti came into the Crashdown with a huge smile on his face, and came up to Alex. It was funny to see Alex confused about why his food was cold, wondering why Valenti was so happy and all the while, he didn't even know he had been in danger. That was a nice way to sum it up! Hopefully Alex will get some more air time soon. ~Deb --part1_62.9040d21.2742e626_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>Alex just happened to be in town when all the people disappeared. I loved at the end when Valenti came into the Crashdown with a huge smile on his face, and came up to Alex. It was funny to see Alex confused about why his food was cold, wondering why Valenti was so happy and all the while, he didn't even know he had been in danger. That was a nice way to sum it up! Hopefully Alex will get some more air time soon. ~Deb</HTML> --part1_62.9040d21.2742e626_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Angela Smart <angel_face_1983@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] Australian Fans Date: 15 Nov 2000 03:43:51 -0800 (PST) I'm a Roswell fan from Brissie, and i have no idea when its returning. I'm guessing not until about March 2001. (That's just a guess cos that's when Angel is coming back on here in oz.) If it is March, how will i survive till then? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: X MarksTheSpot <xmarksthespot@mailandnews.com> Subject: [roswell] Episode help Date: 16 Nov 2000 18:13:34 +0200 Could someone please refresh my poor memory: In which episode did Michael find the key in the Sheriff's office? -- xmarksthespot@mailandnews.com RingManager of the Canuck Actors and Actresses Ring http://members.tripod.co.uk/xmarksthespot/canring.html WebMistress of Making Waves - an unofficial Ocean Hellman Page http://members.fortunecity.com/orbilio/ocean.html Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Samantha McComber" <sem1234567890@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] Episode help Date: 16 Nov 2000 12:57:59 EST <Could someone please refresh my poor memory: In which episode <did Michael find the key in the Sheriff's office? That was Episode 2:The Morning After. I know how you feel though I am always getting confused about what happened in what eppy :) Samantha _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] last nites ep. Date: 19 Nov 2000 20:55:18 -0600 Hey all, sorry no posts from me recently, but at least you didn't have to read all my depraved thoughts. ;-) Seriously, I guess I found it hard to say much about 'The Harvest' -- I'm going to have to put this one in one of the weaker episode categories. I enjoyed it, mind you, but it didn't keep my attention. But 'Wipe Out' managed to continue the heavy sci-fi trend and keep it interesting. I still miss the 'my so-called life' writing style, and really value it any time it is re-introduced. I wasn't expecting to see Nicolas (sp?) and his cronies in this one, as I thought they were as 'good as dead' in the Harvest? Interesting how they've used the Nicolas character differently from the books. ('The Wild One', I think it was.) Although I couldn't see Isabel falling for the TV Nicolas. As far as the skins disintegrating only in other alien's hands -- and Liz -- that is an interesting observation. She also seems to be the only one that gets the flashes as well. Kyle also stated that he did not see anything when being healed by Max. So what makes Liz so special? Personally, I'd give Harvest a 2 out of 5 stars, and Wipe Out 3 out of 5 stars. Comments? Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chantel Reynolds <chantel_reynolds@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] last nites ep. Date: 20 Nov 2000 08:08:36 -0800 (PST) > > Personally, I'd give Harvest a 2 out of 5 stars, and > Wipe Out 3 out of 5 > stars. Comments? Hey Mike, I was wondering where you'd been! I might be in the minority here, but Wipe Out had some seriously bad sf going on, plus some bizarre dialogue. That being said, because it's Roswell, I could suspend disbelief for the hour needed and still had a good time with the episode. I particularly enjoyed how this episode featured all the female characters in roles other than traditional arm candy. With all the talk of the young bride and the bethrothed, I was beginning to think that the women were there to simply be attractive and gaze adoringly. But that scene in the bathroom with Courtney--I haven't seen a more effective interrogation team in a long time. Contrast that scene with Max and Michael pacing around on the balcony snarling at each other, which doesn't exactly get the job done. (In fact, the only males who were truly effective were Nikolas in his evil teenager role and Kyle who had me crying from laughter.) The women just simply took care of business, and the cheesy Firestarter imagery aside, I am a big fan of Tess now. From the moment she walked through the back door of the Crashdown, she had herself in control and indispensible. Anyway, that was I enjoyed from WipeOut. I hope we see episodes that give everybody more active, capable roles. I hate to see either the girls or the guys relegated to stereotypical, silly roles. Chantel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sapphire" <sapphire@happyfunland.net> Subject: [roswell] Fw: Roswell & Buffy Cards Date: 21 Nov 2000 12:19:26 -0500 For those of you interested in getting Roswell cards, but don't know where to get them, here you go. She is my sister-in-law :-) Sapphire | sapphire@happyfunland.net http://www.happyfunland.net Here I am! Now what are your other two wishes? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lora Smith" <loralee@comteck.com> > To: "Amy" <sapphire@chaos.x-philes.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:16 PM > Subject: roswell cards > > > Roswell cards are here! > Boxes $55, sets $15 free shipping in the US > > Also in stock Buffy 4 and Angel season 1, e-mail for prices and > availability > > > Lora Smith > > Lora's Non-Sports Cards > > loralee@comteck.com > > <www.homestead.com/lorascards/cards.html> > > > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com> Subject: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 21 Nov 2000 12:20:49 -0600 > Hey Mike, I was wondering where you'd been! Hey there! > I might be in the minority here, but Wipe Out had some > seriously bad sf going on, plus some bizarre dialogue. What about Meet the Dups? I'm not too sure about this episode. I think the jury is still out on this one, for me. I had problems understanding whether or not this parallel-universe gang was really the other 4, and what in the world they were saying, and it was just too bizarre for me. ('Word?') The only thing I recall that seemed nice, was the Maria/Brody relationship. But if things go the way they have been this season, that'll be long forgotten in the next episode or two. > Contrast that scene with Max and Michael > pacing around on the balcony snarling at each other, > which doesn't exactly get the job done. That's another pet peeve of mine, particularly this season. How can the audience get involved in the characters -- that are supposed to be at war and always on the run -- if those 4 main characters are not as close as they can possibly be? In other words, too much internal dissent and division. I hope the killing alternate-Max was not an omen of the future. I noticed what you did too, starting with Skin And Bones -- why are Isabel and Tess always bra-less and/or used as male bait? Oh well. Anyone know the synopsis for the next episode? Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "laura" <sleepingfaery@home.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 21 Nov 2000 22:02:29 -0700 hi! okay - first OT - i am not getting all the e-mails (i know this because people will quote stuff from other e-mails that i never got) - does anyone know how to fix this? now - about last nites ep..... wow, i have so many problems with this episode.......i hope that maybe you all will be able to help me get some ideas or better perspectives........i don't even know where to start! -Liz -- she is being so out of character and it is driving me nuts. i mean - last week - in the car as they were driving out of town to the billboard - she starts freaking out with the "i have to tell max what really happened!" well, obviuosly, she didn't . well, why not? becuz the IMMEDIATE danger was over? it's not like they all aren't in danger 24/7 anyway, but now she isn't telling. and Maria didn't have any questions about that statement in the car (since last nite liz was all "i have somehting i can't tell you blah blah...") and then not tellinh her best friend about Kyle, or about Micheal kissing her? come on - that is just too off ( altho i thought the little jump she did after Micahel #2 kissed her was really good!!!!) and i am sorry but it makes no sense to me why she doesn't tell maz everything that happened - including the whole future max stuff. the future is already altered - and it just makes no sense.... - What was the reason Max #2 didn't want to go to the summit anyway? did i miss it or didn't they say? -how did the four of the other aliens get to new york? they - as 7 year olds - what? walked there? - why didn't Nacedo ever mention them to tess? he told her lots else, but not that she wasn't really one of the royal four? just a "too human" second choice? and why wouldn't nacedo have had them ( the #2's) too? he couldn't find Max, Iz, or Michael, until recently -- but leaders from another planet were able to find the other four? and invite them to a summit? and how did the #2's know about Maz, etc? - how could michael believe for even a second that the #2's were the REAL royal four and they themselves were the "too human - deficient" copies? does he have eyes? do those guys really look like leaders? please......and if that is what the whole planet is actually populated with....please again........ -but that brings me to - Nikolas last week said , to max " you decided the fate of armies with a flip of a coin" - was he serious? and if yes, then what kind of leader was he? i am starting to have some serious questions about the people on their home world. don't sound like a very great bunch at all......... - why in the world would max go to NY without Iz and Michael - it makes no sense - even if they are mad - or whatever - he is going to go into this alone without them? it's stupid. and max isn't really that stupid. and to blame Iz (who okay wasn't Iz but he didn't knwo it...) for betraying him? come on. then he should just up and marry tess right now since if who they were is who they ARE, then shouldn't he feel the same way about tess right now as he did when he was King? no, of course not, becuz that isn't who he is - and neither is Iz, and he KNOWS that so where in the world did that from? okay those are my first reactions - any comments? ideas? i think i better go and watch it again....... --laura Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Casandra Richardson" <Casandra@Bardstown.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. Date: 22 Nov 2000 09:57:00 -0500 The one part where there is a #2 set of the royal four. Well I think that there were two sets made just in case one set did not make it. Then there was one set put one side of the country and one set on the other. Like when the NY royal four killed the #2 max because he would not go to the meeting. So They went to get the other max to see if he would be any different. They were hoping if he was then they could return to their home planet. Just my thoughts, Casandra Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drummond, Gary" <gdrummond@witherspoon.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 22 Nov 2000 09:10:03 -0600 In response to Laura, Liz -- Out of character, hello, I'm totally with you. This is getting retarded. The writers need to, at least, let someone on the show figure something out. Are they all that dense?!!!?? Max has a lot on his mind, but we all know that he should pursue Liz's knowledge of the granolith. He never quit pursuing Liz before. A bone, please?!??!? And...the car scene from WO, Liz needs to tell Max and as Laura stated, blah, blah, blah. Obviously, the point went mute. I saw the preview where everyone finds out about Liz and Kyle's illeged romp. Maybe the writers will help Max and Maria GET SMART. Again, just a bone of hope would be good. Max (Zan) -- not wanting to go to the summit...please clue me in also. The four dupes -- Perhaps they took the bus?? Concorde? Taxi? Go cart? And parents/guardians? Yes, the general public loves to watch little kids wander around town, ALONE! Plus, dupe Michael's NY accent, where was it? The leadership -- sort of wondered about that myself. For example, Michael's hair seems to be the current joke, but did anyone notice future-Max's whole head? I mean, are we talking biker planet or what? Max in the big apple -- OK, I'll entertain the crew for a mere second. Max has had some serious blows, so I'm sure he's thinking, "I'm going to another freak show, because the current one I'm in just isn't working." For example, Liz betrayed him, sort of. Maria told him to back off from the only person he's ever truly loved. Michael doesn't listen to anyone. And...Max was beat to shreds by his non-sister. And Tess, well, don't get me started. So, I don't blame him too much. I'd get the heck out of dodge too. But, what happened to, "We all have to stay together? We're stronger as four." ????? Overall, I give the ep a five out of ten. I think that there are too many unanswered questions and that's not always bad. But, I think that the dupes might constitute another series or show. Personally, I'll stick with the current one at hand. The season, well, the writers are doing a great job, despite my opinion of the dupes ep. The acting is and has been great. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:02 PM hi! okay - first OT - i am not getting all the e-mails (i know this because people will quote stuff from other e-mails that i never got) - does anyone know how to fix this? now - about last nites ep..... wow, i have so many problems with this episode.......i hope that maybe you all will be able to help me get some ideas or better perspectives........i don't even know where to start! -Liz -- she is being so out of character and it is driving me nuts. i mean - last week - in the car as they were driving out of town to the billboard - she starts freaking out with the "i have to tell max what really happened!" well, obviuosly, she didn't . well, why not? becuz the IMMEDIATE danger was over? it's not like they all aren't in danger 24/7 anyway, but now she isn't telling. and Maria didn't have any questions about that statement in the car (since last nite liz was all "i have somehting i can't tell you blah blah...") and then not tellinh her best friend about Kyle, or about Micheal kissing her? come on - that is just too off ( altho i thought the little jump she did after Micahel #2 kissed her was really good!!!!) and i am sorry but it makes no sense to me why she doesn't tell maz everything that happened - including the whole future max stuff. the future is already altered - and it just makes no sense.... - What was the reason Max #2 didn't want to go to the summit anyway? did i miss it or didn't they say? -how did the four of the other aliens get to new york? they - as 7 year olds - what? walked there? - why didn't Nacedo ever mention them to tess? he told her lots else, but not that she wasn't really one of the royal four? just a "too human" second choice? and why wouldn't nacedo have had them ( the #2's) too? he couldn't find Max, Iz, or Michael, until recently -- but leaders from another planet were able to find the other four? and invite them to a summit? and how did the #2's know about Maz, etc? - how could michael believe for even a second that the #2's were the REAL royal four and they themselves were the "too human - deficient" copies? does he have eyes? do those guys really look like leaders? please......and if that is what the whole planet is actually populated with....please again........ -but that brings me to - Nikolas last week said , to max " you decided the fate of armies with a flip of a coin" - was he serious? and if yes, then what kind of leader was he? i am starting to have some serious questions about the people on their home world. don't sound like a very great bunch at all......... - why in the world would max go to NY without Iz and Michael - it makes no sense - even if they are mad - or whatever - he is going to go into this alone without them? it's stupid. and max isn't really that stupid. and to blame Iz (who okay wasn't Iz but he didn't knwo it...) for betraying him? come on. then he should just up and marry tess right now since if who they were is who they ARE, then shouldn't he feel the same way about tess right now as he did when he was King? no, of course not, becuz that isn't who he is - and neither is Iz, and he KNOWS that so where in the world did that from? okay those are my first reactions - any comments? ideas? i think i better go and watch it again....... --laura Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chantel Reynolds <chantel_reynolds@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 22 Nov 2000 10:38:07 -0800 (PST) > > Max (Zan) -- not wanting to go to the > summit...please clue me in also. > > - What was the reason Max #2 didn't want to go to > the summit anyway? did i > miss it or didn't they say? You guys bring up some great questions, especially about the NYFour--who brought them there, why, how were they raised, etc? I am hoping those will be answered in the next episode, since this was a TBC. As far as Zan not wanting to go to the summit. Honestly, I think it's because, like Max, he was happy with his life as is. The summit would force a change that he didn't want. I mean, let's look at it from the other side for a second: if Max and the others knew there was another set, and that set could save the planet, don't you think Isabel and Max might have been content to say, "Oh hey, great, then I can have my normal Leave It To Beaver life back"? I think Max would jump at the chance because he has NOT been happy about all this destiny, save the world, hoopla. Chantel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee D <elisalien@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 22 Nov 2000 12:19:58 -0800 (PST) i really think the show is getting sort of wierd. first of all, last nights episode was really screwed. it goes against everything that max said. wierd. oh well, i can't even think of what might happen in the next epi --elisalien --- "Drummond, Gary" <gdrummond@witherspoon.com> wrote: > In response to Laura, > Liz -- Out of character, hello, I'm totally with > you. This is getting > retarded. The writers need to, at least, let > someone on the show figure > something out. Are they all that dense?!!!?? Max > has a lot on his mind, > but we all know that he should pursue Liz's > knowledge of the granolith. He > never quit pursuing Liz before. A bone, please?!??!? > And...the car scene > from WO, Liz needs to tell Max and as Laura stated, > blah, blah, blah. > Obviously, the point went mute. I saw the preview > where everyone finds out > about Liz and Kyle's illeged romp. Maybe the > writers will help Max and > Maria GET SMART. Again, just a bone of hope would be > good. > > Max (Zan) -- not wanting to go to the > summit...please clue me in also. > > The four dupes -- Perhaps they took the bus?? > Concorde? Taxi? Go cart? And > parents/guardians? Yes, the general public loves to > watch little kids > wander around town, ALONE! Plus, dupe Michael's NY > accent, where was it? > > The leadership -- sort of wondered about that > myself. For example, > Michael's hair seems to be the current joke, but did > anyone notice > future-Max's whole head? I mean, are we talking > biker planet or what? > > Max in the big apple -- OK, I'll entertain the crew > for a mere second. Max > has had some serious blows, so I'm sure he's > thinking, "I'm going to another > freak show, because the current one I'm in just > isn't working." For example, > Liz betrayed him, sort of. Maria told him to back > off from the only person > he's ever truly loved. Michael doesn't listen to > anyone. And...Max was beat > to shreds by his non-sister. And Tess, well, don't > get me started. So, I > don't blame him too much. I'd get the heck out of > dodge too. But, what > happened to, "We all have to stay together? We're > stronger as four." ????? > > Overall, I give the ep a five out of ten. I think > that there are too many > unanswered questions and that's not always bad. But, > I think that the dupes > might constitute another series or show. Personally, > I'll stick with the > current one at hand. The season, well, the writers > are doing a great job, > despite my opinion of the dupes ep. The acting is > and has been great. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: laura [mailto:sleepingfaery@home.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:02 PM > To: roswell@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the > Dups) > > > hi! > okay - first OT - i am not getting all the e-mails > (i know this because > people will quote stuff from other e-mails that i > never got) - does anyone > know how to fix this? now - about last nites > ep..... > > wow, i have so many problems with this > episode.......i hope that maybe you > all will be able to help me get some ideas or better > perspectives........i > don't even know where to start! > > -Liz -- she is being so out of character and it is > driving me nuts. i > mean - last week - in the car as they were driving > out of town to the > billboard - she starts freaking out with the "i have > to tell max what really > happened!" well, obviuosly, she didn't . well, why > not? becuz the > IMMEDIATE danger was over? it's not like they all > aren't in danger 24/7 > anyway, but now she isn't telling. and Maria didn't > have any questions > about that statement in the car (since last nite liz > was all "i have > somehting i can't tell you blah blah...") and then > not tellinh her best > friend about Kyle, or about Micheal kissing her? > come on - that is just too > off ( altho i thought the little jump she did after > Micahel #2 kissed her > was really good!!!!) and i am sorry but it makes no > sense to me why she > doesn't tell maz everything that happened - > including the whole future max > stuff. the future is already altered - and it just > makes no sense.... > > - What was the reason Max #2 didn't want to go to > the summit anyway? did i > miss it or didn't they say? > > -how did the four of the other aliens get to new > york? they - as 7 year > olds - what? walked there? > > - why didn't Nacedo ever mention them to tess? he > told her lots else, but > not that she wasn't really one of the royal four? > just a "too human" second > choice? > and why wouldn't nacedo have had them ( the #2's) > too? he couldn't find > Max, Iz, or Michael, until recently -- but leaders > from another planet were > able to find the other four? and invite them to a > summit? and how did the > #2's know about Maz, etc? > > - how could michael believe for even a second that > the #2's were the REAL > royal four and they themselves were the "too human - > deficient" copies? > does he have eyes? do those guys really look like > leaders? please......and > if that is what the whole planet is actually > populated with....please > again........ > > -but that brings me to - Nikolas last week said , to > max " you decided the > fate of armies with a flip of a coin" - was he > serious? and if yes, then > what kind of leader was he? i am starting to have > some serious questions > about the people on their home world. don't sound > like a very great bunch > at all......... > > - why in the world would max go to NY without Iz and > Michael - it makes no > sense - even if they are mad - or whatever - he is > going to go into this > alone without them? it's stupid. and max isn't > really that stupid. and to > blame Iz (who okay wasn't Iz but he didn't knwo > it...) for betraying him? > come on. then he should just up and marry tess > right now since if who they > were is who they ARE, then shouldn't he feel the > same way about tess right > now as he did when he was King? no, of course not, > becuz that isn't who he > is - and neither is Iz, and he KNOWS that so where > in the world did that > from? > > okay those are my first reactions - any comments? > ideas? i think i better > go and watch it again....... > --laura > > > > > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for > help and info. > > > > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for > help and info. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PrincessTea00@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 22 Nov 2000 17:32:02 EST --part1_9.d508794.274da362_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi everyone. ok am i the only one who acctually LIKED Meet the Dupes? i thought it was a great ep. yea there were lots of unanswered questions but there always are. and i thought the accents were hilarious not annoying. It was a nice change from the seriousness. if there is anyone out there who even remotely agrees with me, let me know! *tova* what r they doin in there? passing the mashed potatoes. ~izzy......alex --part1_9.d508794.274da362_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>hi everyone. ok am i the only one who acctually LIKED Meet the Dupes? i thought it was a great ep. yea there were lots of unanswered questions but there always are. and i thought the accents were hilarious not annoying. It was a nice change from the seriousness. if there is anyone out there who even remotely agrees with me, let me know! *tova* what r they doin in there? passing the mashed potatoes. ~izzy......alex</HTML> --part1_9.d508794.274da362_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sugar14672@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 22 Nov 2000 17:48:56 EST --part1_b4.d9263c6.274da758_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Im right there with ya! I thought it was an amazing episode. My favorite part being when Michael kissed Liz. It was sad..and funny...and even though there are things that are unanswered..I thought it was a pretty well rounded first part. (Plus..Brendan(My fave canadian) trying that New York accent was funny) P.S. Katherine was absolutely amazing! (*Probably the only person who thinks Katherine should cut her hair that short) -Meghan- (The 'Shipper whore) "Hey!..Hey it's me!" "Prove it" "Your a dick.." "O-kay!" -The movie-X-men (My FAVE movie ever!) --part1_b4.d9263c6.274da758_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Im right there with ya! I thought it was an amazing episode. My favorite part being when Michael kissed Liz. It was sad..and funny...and even though there are things that are unanswered..I thought it was a pretty well rounded first part. (Plus..Brendan(My fave canadian) trying that New York accent was funny) P.S. Katherine was absolutely amazing! (*Probably the only person who thinks Katherine should cut her hair that short) -Meghan- (The 'Shipper whore) -------------------------------------------------------------- "Hey!..Hey it's me!" "Prove it" "Your a dick.." "O-kay!" -The movie-X-men (My FAVE movie ever!) </HTML> --part1_b4.d9263c6.274da758_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "laura" <sleepingfaery@home.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 22 Nov 2000 17:03:44 -0700 oops - see i only got the post from "Lee D" - i never got the one from "Gary Drummond" - i wouldn't have even known about it if you hadn't quoted it. does this happen to everyone or just me? Mike - do you know what's up? thanks for any help.... --laura ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:19 PM > i really think the show is getting sort of wierd. > first of all, last nights episode was really screwed. > it goes against everything that max said. wierd. oh > well, i can't even think of what might happen in the > next epi > --elisalien > --- "Drummond, Gary" <gdrummond@witherspoon.com> > wrote: > > In response to Laura, > > Liz -- Out of character, hello, I'm totally with Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maimie Abrego" <maimiea@pdq.net> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 23 Nov 2000 09:45:43 -0600 On the message problem - I am also not receiving all the messages, but then I thought maybe all the people who have been making comments in the past may not be now, so I kind of just wait for messages to pop up when they may. Yes, I agree the there are many unanswered questions, but I still enjoy every new minute of the second season. I am in love with the characters - yes, they are all good looking actors, but I fell in love with the show and its beautiful story (love and sci-fi). The actors on the show have brought the characters to life, its great to watch and learn about it all. (sorry, I started to ramble here . . . ) Okay - I want to ask if anybody is wondering about Liz's character? I want to somehow believe that Grandma Claudia had an encounter with the original surviving aliens from the crash. They entrusted her with saving another half human/alien baby because they saw she (Grandma Claudia) was open and intelligent and would help the aliens to survive. Liz has so many of the same traits as Max and they send each other visions when they connect - none of the others do, which I find kind of weird. Did Max have a true love (Liz?) on his home planet? Was his bride to be (Tess) an arranged marriage? My mind is going in all kinds of story lines. I just hope the writers will take the story to new heights. One thing I thought was funny was when Tess met her dupe - they did not communicate with each other like the others. I wish Max could have met Zan - and by the way - what happened with Zan's body? Could they have healed it with the stones? Is the body still in New York? Oh, yeah - why did Tess put a "Z" on the wall in her room? Did she already know about Zan? Did Nasedo take her to meet the second group of podsters in New York at one point? Kind regards, Maimie Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: liz greene <guitarliz@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 23 Nov 2000 10:52:25 -0800 (PST) --- PrincessTea00@aol.com wrote: > hi everyone. > ok am i the only one who acctually LIKED Meet the > Dupes? i thought it was a > great ep. yea there were lots of unanswered > questions but there always are. > and i thought the accents were hilarious not > annoying. It was a nice change > from the seriousness. if there is anyone out there > who even remotely agrees > with me, let me know! > > *tova* > > what r they doin in there? > passing the mashed potatoes. > > ~izzy......alex > I thought their accents were funny and so was their hair! You could so tell that Ava's hair was a wig! I totally loved that episode. -Liz Greene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 23 Nov 2000 15:48:29 -0600 > okay - first OT - i am not getting all the e-mails (i know this because > people will quote stuff from other e-mails that i never got) - does anyone > know how to fix this? now - about last nites ep..... Hey there! Yes, I've noticed that too for a little while now. Some of the messages will drag in long after they were posted, and get sent to half the list, but not to the others. I only started noticing since I get both the digest, and the regular messages. All the messages would be in the digest. So I'll look into getting that fixed for us! > -Liz -- she is being so out of character and it is driving me nuts. i > mean - last week - in the car as they were driving out of town to the > billboard - she starts freaking out with the "i have to tell max > what really happened!" To me, the whole show has been out of character, and they've been having too many of these 'gimmicky' episodes. Of course, I realize once they go (went) full-blown sci-fi, it shouldn't be considered gimmicky anymore, but still... Regarding Liz, yes, I imagine she's going to break down pretty quick and tell Max all, and ruin the future [once again]. > and then not tellinh her best friend about Kyle, or about > Micheal kissing her? come on - that is just too > off You're right, this makes absolutely no sense at all. Again, I think the main characters are not close enough for the audience to get involved with them. It was always a bit strained in the first season, but there has been no growth in this area. If this were Seinfeld (a bunch of dysfunctional friends that the audience can relate to), that'd be one thing, but this is supposed to be a close-knit team that are in danger at all times, because of who they are and/or their knowledge. So that'd be my main complaint at the moment. > - What was the reason Max #2 didn't want to go to the summit > anyway? did i miss it or didn't they say? I don't think they ever said, but like our Michael and Max, apparently alternate-Michael and -Max cannot get along. > -how did the four of the other aliens get to new york? they - as 7 year > olds - what? walked there? This is problem #2 with Roswell this season: too little establishing information and exposition. Yes, we did know about the other 4 pods, but, at least for me, not enough time to bring the audience up to speed on this. Plus, it's a big shocker to see their alters. (Plus, were they raised by a bunch of hyenas, or are all New Yorkers like this? I didn't think so!) In concept, it wasn't a bad story, but it leads me to believe that our gang -- that we like to watch -- has some pretty 'defective' problems, if the alternates are representative of the rest of their own personalities. > and why wouldn't nacedo have had them ( the #2's) too? he couldn't find > Max, Iz, or Michael, until recently -- but leaders from another > planet were able to find the other four? and invite them to a summit? and > how did the #2's know about Maz, etc? Well, I don't believe the whole summit thing one iota. I think it's just a ploy to destroy the 'rest of' Max, for whatever reason. Perhaps it's so that Michael/Wrath can be the new leader of the planet. Beats me. But I am hoping they do explain that some other Nasedo took care of this other four. (Unless he was also killed by the Royal Four #2). > -but that brings me to - Nikolas last week said , to max " you decided the > fate of armies with a flip of a coin" - was he serious? and if yes, then > what kind of leader was he? i am starting to have some serious questions > about the people on their home world. don't sound like a very great bunch > at all......... Exactly; how are we supposed to root for our pod squad, if what they really are, aren't worth saving? I don't think the show is in such a position, and hasn't built themselves to such a position, for us to see them as souls needing redemption in human form. > okay those are my first reactions - any comments? ideas? i think i better > go and watch it again....... I think I will too. It's a harder episode to watch. It's one thing to have a two-parter, but I hope it's not going to be a bad two-parter. But I guess every season is entitled to it's weaker episodes (such as Heat Wave, from last season, or even Sexual Healing.) But am I curious; which episode do you feel is the best this season? Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 23 Nov 2000 15:48:32 -0600 > *tova* > > what r they doin in there? > passing the mashed potatoes. > ~izzy......alex Now, that was a good episode. ;-) Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 23 Nov 2000 15:48:35 -0600 > Katherine was absolutely amazing! (*Probably the only > person who thinks Katherine should cut her hair that short) > -Meghan- Hmm... probably. ;) No, actually, she still looked very nice, even with all that bizarre nonsense (tattoos and such (no offense)). Although I assume she didn't have make-up on when she was jogging to show how Isabel has 'grown' beyond her more selfish days, and perhaps even trying to find herself (whoever Valandra really was.) Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roswellfinch@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 24 Nov 2000 12:06:58 EST --part1_4c.d152607.274ffa32_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wish Liz would hurry up and tell Max the truth before I go crazy!!!! My God, how much longer are they planning to drahg that out?????? Lindsay --part1_4c.d152607.274ffa32_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>I just wish Liz would hurry up and tell Max the truth before I go crazy!!!! My God, how much longer are they planning to drahg that out?????? Lindsay</HTML> --part1_4c.d152607.274ffa32_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Girl" <kellygirl_1@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 25 Nov 2000 03:19:08 hello all, i am coming out of lurkdom... after watching last monday's ep, i kind of had this "huh?" attitude. i was soooo glad to see that (on this list) that people were thinking the same way. on the whole i did not really like this ep... yet those of you that wrote about your *likes*- i nodded that yes, those were good points, but as a whole "the dups" was a disappointment as a whole. i agree with mike stone that "the dups" is kind of a *fluff* episode like "sexual healing and heat wave". hopefully the second part of "the dups" will redeem itself like the first season's "river dog and 285 south" two parters. just my .02cents. <g> kellygirl _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 24 Nov 2000 22:30:04 -0600 > i agree with mike stone that "the dups" is kind of a *fluff* episode like > "sexual healing and heat wave". Well, I didn't mean to sound to harsh about the episode. It's always entertaining, but I've come to expect more from this show and these writers. But I do hope the 'dupes' don't stick around too long. I notice one of the upcoming episodes (for January) is called 'We Are Family.' I shudder at the thought of letting the NY4 into the group. :-) Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maimie Abrego" <maimiea@pdq.net> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 25 Nov 2000 07:08:46 -0600 : > -how did the four of the other aliens get to new york? they - as 7 year olds - what? walked there? I thought in Summer of '47 they took a truck load of four pods to (??) a warehouse/hanger area. Were these the pods taken to New York? And why New York? I was assuming "our" group of podsters were hidden away in the cave? : : > and why wouldn't nacedo have had them ( the #2's) too? he couldn't find Max, Iz, or Michael, until recently -- but leaders from another planet were able to find the other four? and invite them to a summit? and how did the #2's know about Maz, etc? : From what I am able to figure out - Nasedo seemed to travel quite a bit - all of his collection of artifacts from around the world. Maybe he was not the 'real' Nasedo' maybe he was a skin who was killed because he was not getting the job done. I am still not able to figure out why he died in the first episode of season two - there were too many unanswered questions. Are there alot of things Tess is not telling? I think I am the only one who thought it was odd that Tess would have put a 'Z' on her wall above her bed - could it have stood for Zan? - and she never really talked with her 'dupe' except to introduce herself in front of the others. What did she say before to Liz in EOTW? "I'm not into bonding." ********** Regards, Maimie Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "laura" <sleepingfaery@home.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 25 Nov 2000 18:37:04 -0700 > > and then not tellinh her best friend about Kyle, or about > > Micheal kissing her? come on - that is just too > > off > > You're right, this makes absolutely no sense at all. Again, I think the main > characters are not close enough for the audience to get involved with them. > It was always a bit strained in the first season, but there has been no > growth in this area. If this were Seinfeld (a bunch of dysfunctional friends > that the audience can relate to), that'd be one thing, but this is supposed > to be a close-knit team that are in danger at all times, because of who they > are and/or their knowledge. So that'd be my main complaint at the moment. > yes! that is exactly what i have been feeling. there is just so much dissention between our main characters. i mean a little is okay - even normal - like to have tension between Liz and Tess, etc. but the group as a whole should still be strong, and it isn't. and that is a big problem..... > > > -but that brings me to - Nikolas last week said , to max " you decided the > > fate of armies with a flip of a coin" - was he serious? and if yes, then > > what kind of leader was he? i am starting to have some serious questions > > about the people on their home world. don't sound like a very great bunch > > at all......... > > Exactly; how are we supposed to root for our pod squad, if what they really > are, aren't worth saving? I don't think the show is in such a position, and > hasn't built themselves to such a position, for us to see them as souls > needing redemption in human form. > > oh good then it's not just me. that is how i have been feeling - how can i root for them when what i have seen of there home world hasn't really impressed me all that much (excpet maybe their mom, i guess....). it seems like just a bunch of deception and lies and it keeps getting worse......i mean what have we got so far (altho most of this information seems to be coming from not to trustworthy sources too - the skins, etc.....) -max, as king, seems to have been a bit questionable in his authority and actions -michael, his second, seems he may have been in a bit of a plot to overthrow his king -Iz, altho engaged to michael, betrays her whole family/race, etc, cuz she is in love with someone else -tess, hhhmmmm, what DO we know about her from before, besides she was max's bride? do we know they were in love, or could it have been an arranged marriage? hhhhmmmmm.... and now here is this thought - the granilith came from there home world - and can be used for time travel - woudln't have it been SSSSOOOO much easier for the aliens to just travel back in time, as opposed to finding a world to send clones/hybrids of their royalty to someday years later come back and save their planet? so okay, it wouldn't leave us with a show, of course, but it is just one of those things taht is bugging me....... > But am I curious; which episode do you feel is the best this season? > My fave eppy so far this season was 1947. i liked seeing Michael being more vulnerable like he was at the end - and i was really glad he told that old vet who he was - stupid, you bet, but i still liked the moment. and the guy had saved him once, right??? i just really liked that whole ep.... don't get me wrong - i love this show - it is one of the only shows i look forward to each week - i just don't want to see the writers go and mess it up when it has so much potential. and i hate when there are huge inconsistences in any show......and i like bringing things up here to see what other people are thinking...... --laura Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Girl" <kellygirl_1@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 26 Nov 2000 03:01:24 hello all, i did not mean to say this last ep was a "fluff" eppisode, but it did remind me of "heat wave" in that it made no sense at all. apparently Jason Katims thinks the *story* of the NY4 is important (cuz it is a two parter). but all the personalites/characters seem to be "out of character". max "blindly" going to the summit without question? the week before we have the pod squad going to some town for the funeral and they meet the *skins* and nickolas (sp), a formidable opponent and all of a sudden Roswell takes an 180 degree and we /they are introduced to the NY4.... again i am thinking "huh?'. i luved all the hairdoo's and rings of the NY4's... Roswell reminds me of when BTVS first came out.... shaky start but the eppisodes caught the attention that one could not resist of an excellent show. with BTVS, season II proved to be better than any other season... Roswell? well..... being a die hard fan of the show, i am there... totally loyal. i am hoping that Jason Katims is listening to us fans like Joss Whedon has. i know alot of you are BTVS fans, what do you think about Roswell/BTVS first season vs second season. kellygirl _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maimie Abrego" <maimiea@pdq.net> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 26 Nov 2000 10:49:00 -0600 : i did not mean to say this last ep was a "fluff" eppisode, but it did remind : me of "heat wave" in that it made no sense at all. : apparently Jason Katims thinks the *story* of the NY4 is important (cuz it : is a two parter). : but all the personalites/characters seem to be "out of character". : max "blindly" going to the summit without question? : I did not think Max was going blindly to NY û I got the feeling he was going because he felt like nobody was on his side or rather he felt like Liz had betrayed him, Michael contradicts everything he says, Isabel was just the final straw because she never told him what Whitaker told her or any of the other information she has gotten on who she was on their home planet û Tess is maybe the only alien who has not betrayed him yet û but I think she is not who she is suppose to be û which scares the beejubees out of me. The need to feel wanted or needed by the other group has made Max want to go with them. Look at how the meeting went with everybody - because of a dead star Max called a meeting and look at how everybody acted - Max felt unwanted and worse yet, his ideas are being tossed to the side as if what he thinks is not important. From the promo - I wonder if something happens to Tess and Ava takes her place in Roswell? She looks to be in a trance and Max is trying to snap her out of it. I know Lonnie and Rath are up to no good, but how will they explain how the others get to NY to save Max? The Jetta - I don't think so..... Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emily--with a "y" <PhishIz47@roswell.every1.net> Subject: Re: [roswell] last nites ep. (Meet the Dups) Date: 26 Nov 2000 12:15:21 -0800 (PST) How can you people even compare "Meet the Dupes" to "Heat Wave"?! "Meet the Dupes" was so BAD, and "Heat Wave" was so GOOD!--it's my all-time favorite episode of any tv show every! 'Sides, lots of important stuff happened in "Heat Wave"--Liz told Alex about the aliens; Max and Liz finally kissed; Isabel found out that Alex was in love with her. So you can't even say that "Meet the Dupes" was like "Heat Wave." "Meet the Dupes" made absolutely no sense. Fake Michael and Fake Isabel killed Fake Max, and then they played with Real Max's head! I hate them! Plus, like everyone, I have to ask, "HOW THE HELL DID THEY GET TO NEW YORK?!" Cuz they crash-landed in New Mexico, and New York is on the other side of the country... But anyway, I felt kinda bad for Fake Tess. I like her more than Real Tess. I wonder what the hell she's gonna do in Roswell--die her hair blond and pretend to be Real Tess? My thoughts on why Xan didn't wanna go to the summit: hello! They're not the real Royal Four! The Roswellians are, and Xan knew it, but he didn't wanna tell Rath and piss him off. That's my theory anyways... Okay, I really, really hate Lani. I mean, what a bitch! The bonding with Isabel over the Volandra problem was nice at the beginning, but then she went and fucked up Max and Isabel's whole relationship just to get what she wanted. However, I did have to go "Right on!" when she called Max a "self-centered, self-indulgent little boy," because that is what he's been acting like all season. As a story-line, the episode blows, but it was rather amusing. My favorite part was when Liz did her little "winter-fresh" dance after Fake Michael kissed her. That was too good! Okay, one more thing--Brody and Maria? He seems a little old for her, but it's cute. At least he wouldn't be an ass to her like Michael is. But then again, when Rath offered to kill Brody, and Michael said he'd get back to him, it kinda showed that he does care about Maria. But who cares? I never liked Michael anyway. So that's it from this girl. Later days, Czechoslovakians. == ~Emily (but then you probably knew that...) "Some people are just pigs."~Liz Parker... Isabel Evans _____________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Girl" <kellygirl_1@hotmail.com> Subject: [roswell] second parter much better? Date: 28 Nov 2000 03:31:58 hello all, just viewed the 11-27-00 second parter to meet the dups... slight spoilers # # # # # # # tonights ep was much better (IMHO) than last week. still so many unanswered questions... the best part and so reminiscent of last season was the last 5/10 minutes of this ep. okay, so how did everyone else *read* when max asked liz if she slept with kyle? to me his face and exit read/understood that she did not sleep with kyle. also i am thinking that maybe the union of zan/eva was the one that brought down *kingdom* instead of the union of the real max and liz...? any thoughts? kellygirl _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jillybean2060@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] second parter much better? Date: 28 Nov 2000 07:10:32 EST Well now we all have a little more insight. But i agree there are many unanswered questions that have to be adressed. i was thinking. .liz was healed so she's changed some how. . . but would that be the same with kyle then? also i like rewound the last 5 min over and over again to see was there a slight nod in liz or what. . . grrr. . .and is there gonna be an ep next week?? Jill Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drummond, Gary" <gdrummond@witherspoon.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] second parter much better? Date: 28 Nov 2000 08:30:11 -0600 Amen and Amen. Where was the preview for next week? Any takers? -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 6:11 AM Well now we all have a little more insight. But i agree there are many unanswered questions that have to be adressed. i was thinking. .liz was healed so she's changed some how. . . but would that be the same with kyle then? also i like rewound the last 5 min over and over again to see was there a slight nod in liz or what. . . grrr. . .and is there gonna be an ep next week?? Jill Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jen <jlcrook@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] second parter much better? Date: 28 Nov 2000 07:31:33 -0800 (PST) --0-1653377373-975425493=:2574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii spoiler space if you haven't seen it... * * * I read the opposite. To me, his expression seemed more like a sad-resignation-to-the-truth-that-he-must-accept-if-they're-going-to-be-friends. Well, this one was better, but that doesn't necessarily say much considering how bad last week was. I was still tired of the NY3, but at least we didn't have to suffer through as many yo!'s as we did last week. I'm glad that there seemed to be a lot of resolution to some of the relationships. Well, not really resolution, but some forward-movement. Iz and Max reconciled, Maria and Brody are so cute together and Liz and Max can at least be friends. And now I have to get back to work. Jen Kelly Girl <kellygirl_1@hotmail.com> wrote: hello all, just viewed the 11-27-00 second parter to meet the dups... slight spoilers # # # # # # # tonights ep was much better (IMHO) than last week. still so many unanswered questions... the best part and so reminiscent of last season was the last 5/10 minutes of this ep. okay, so how did everyone else *read* when max asked liz if she slept with kyle? to me his face and exit read/understood that she did not sleep with kyle. also i am thinking that maybe the union of zan/eva was the one that brought down *kingdom* instead of the union of the real max and liz...? any thoughts? kellygirl _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. --0-1653377373-975425493=:2574 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii spoiler space if you haven't seen it... * * * I read the opposite. To me, his expression seemed more like a sad-resignation-to-the-truth-that-he-must-accept-if-they're-going-to-be-friends. Well, this one was better, but that doesn't necessarily say much considering how bad last week was. I was still tired of the NY3, but at least we didn't have to suffer through as many yo!'s as we did last week. I'm glad that there seemed to be a lot of resolution to some of the relationships. Well, not really resolution, but some forward-movement. Iz and Max reconciled, Maria and Brody are so cute together and Liz and Max can at least be friends. And now I have to get back to work. Jen Kelly Girl <kellygirl_1@hotmail.com> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">hello all, just viewed the 11-27-00 second parter to meet the dups... slight spoilers # # # # # # # tonights ep was much better (IMHO) than last week. still so many unanswered questions... the best part and so reminiscent of last season was the last 5/10 minutes of this ep. okay, so how did everyone else *read* when max asked liz if she slept with kyle? to me his face and exit read/understood that she did not sleep with kyle. also i am thinking that maybe the union of zan/eva was the one that brought down *kingdom* instead of the union of the real max and liz...? any thoughts? kellygirl _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ----------------------------------------------------------------</BLOCKQUOTE> <hr size=1>Do You Yahoo!? <a href="http://shopping.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Shopping</a> - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. --0-1653377373-975425493=:2574-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debhanza@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] second parter much better? Date: 28 Nov 2000 11:02:58 EST --part1_5b.e7ec779.27553132_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/28/00 9:30:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, gdrummond@witherspoon.com writes: > Amen and Amen. Where was the preview for next week? Any takers? > There was no preview for next week. =*( I guess we were very lucky to have the first 9 episodes straight without a repeat. I don't know what repeats they will be playing. After investigating it, I'm quite sure the next episode is 12/18/00 "A Roswell Christmas Carol." Then 1/08/01, "To Serve and Protect," and 1/22/01 "We Are Familly." So were are going to have a wait, and episodes split up, unfortunately. I guess they couldn't give us a new one every week. I really can't believe there has been 9 episodes already! I really hope they don't take a month off like they did last year with all reruns (not that I hate that!). I agree with Jen: "To me, his expression seemed more like a sad-resignation-to-the-truth-that-he-must-accept-if-they're-going-to-be-friend s." It appeared that Liz did a very slight nod, and then the way she cried after looked like she was sad she lied to him. I am really hoping that Maria spills the beans to Max. She just might! Brody was so cute: "I don't understand why they took me again" Maria: "Maybe your just special" lol! Where was Ava going to at the end? I can't see her rejoining Lonnie/Rath. It was cute to see her and Liz, talking about Zan and Max. Emilie's accent sounded more Austrialian (like she really is) to me than NY, I thought it was cute anyway. I also like that Liz is "changed," Max will be friends with her (its a start), and that Liz saved Max's life. I feel like I forgot something to mention... Maybe I'll just have to watch the tape again! ~Deb --part1_5b.e7ec779.27553132_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 11/28/00 9:30:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, gdrummond@witherspoon.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Amen and Amen. Where was the preview for next week? Any takers? </BLOCKQUOTE> There was no preview for next week. =*( I guess we were very lucky to have the first 9 episodes straight without a repeat. I don't know what repeats they will be playing. After investigating it, I'm quite sure the next episode is 12/18/00 "A Roswell Christmas Carol." Then 1/08/01, "To Serve and Protect," and 1/22/01 "We Are Familly." So were are going to have a wait, and episodes split up, unfortunately. I guess they couldn't give us a new one every week. I really can't believe there has been 9 episodes already! I really hope they don't take a month off like they did last year with all reruns (not that I hate that!). I agree with Jen: "To me, his expression seemed more like a sad-resignation-to-the-truth-that-he-must-accept-if-they're-going-to-be-friend s." It appeared that Liz did a very slight nod, and then the way she cried after looked like she was sad she lied to him. I am really hoping that Maria spills the beans to Max. She just might! Brody was so cute: "I don't understand why they took me again" Maria: "Maybe your just special" lol! Where was Ava going to at the end? I can't see her rejoining Lonnie/Rath. It was cute to see her and Liz, talking about Zan and Max. Emilie's accent sounded more Austrialian (like she really is) to me than NY, I thought it was cute anyway. I also like that Liz is "changed," Max will be friends with her (its a start), and that Liz saved Max's life. I feel like I forgot something to mention... Maybe I'll just have to watch the tape again! ~Deb </HTML> --part1_5b.e7ec779.27553132_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drummond, Gary" <gdrummond@witherspoon.com> Subject: RE: [roswell] second parter much better? Date: 28 Nov 2000 10:25:47 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05957.DD5E3760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Deb. I'm with you, I hope they don't go too long without any new eps. Ratings seem to be consistently increasing and it would be a mistake to ruin everything. Reruns. Argh! I'm already in withdrawal. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 10:03 AM In a message dated 11/28/00 9:30:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, gdrummond@witherspoon.com writes: Amen and Amen. Where was the preview for next week? Any takers? There was no preview for next week. =*( I guess we were very lucky to have the first 9 episodes straight without a repeat. I don't know what repeats they will be playing. After investigating it, I'm quite sure the next episode is 12/18/00 "A Roswell Christmas Carol." Then 1/08/01, "To Serve and Protect," and 1/22/01 "We Are Familly." So were are going to have a wait, and episodes split up, unfortunately. I guess they couldn't give us a new one every week. I really can't believe there has been 9 episodes already! I really hope they don't take a month off like they did last year with all reruns (not that I hate that!). I agree with Jen: "To me, his expression seemed more like a sad-resignation-to-the-truth-that-he-must-accept-if-they're-going-to-be-frie nd s." It appeared that Liz did a very slight nod, and then the way she cried after looked like she was sad she lied to him. I am really hoping that Maria spills the beans to Max. She just might! Brody was so cute: "I don't understand why they took me again" Maria: "Maybe your just special" lol! Where was Ava going to at the end? I can't see her rejoining Lonnie/Rath. It was cute to see her and Liz, talking about Zan and Max. Emilie's accent sounded more Austrialian (like she really is) to me than NY, I thought it was cute anyway. I also like that Liz is "changed," Max will be friends with her (its a start), and that Liz saved Max's life. I feel like I forgot something to mention... Maybe I'll just have to watch the tape again! ~Deb ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05957.DD5E3760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.3019.2500" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>Thanks Deb. I'm with you, I hope they don't go too long without any new eps. Ratings seem to be consistently increasing and it would be a mistake to ruin everything. Reruns. Argh! I'm already in withdrawal.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr>-----Original Message----- From: Debhanza@aol.com [mailto:Debhanza@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 10:03 AM To: roswell@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [roswell] second parter much better? </DIV>In a message dated 11/28/00 9:30:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, gdrummond@witherspoon.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE="CITE">Amen and Amen. Where was the preview for next week? Any takers? </BLOCKQUOTE> There was no preview for next week. =*( I guess we were very lucky to have the first 9 episodes straight without a repeat. I don't know what repeats they will be playing. After investigating it, I'm quite sure the next episode is 12/18/00 "A Roswell Christmas Carol." Then 1/08/01, "To Serve and Protect," and 1/22/01 "We Are Familly." So were are going to have a wait, and episodes split up, unfortunately. I guess they couldn't give us a new one every week. I really can't believe there has been 9 episodes already! I really hope they don't take a month off like they did last year with all reruns (not that I hate that!). I agree with Jen: "To me, his expression seemed more like a sad-resignation-to-the-truth-that-he-must-accept-if-they're-going-to-be-friend s." It appeared that Liz did a very slight nod, and then the way she cried after looked like she was sad she lied to him. I am really hoping that Maria spills the beans to Max. She just might! Brody was so cute: "I don't understand why they took me again" Maria: "Maybe your just special" lol! Where was Ava going to at the end? I can't see her rejoining Lonnie/Rath. It was cute to see her and Liz, talking about Zan and Max. Emilie's accent sounded more Austrialian (like she really is) to me than NY, I thought it was cute anyway. I also like that Liz is "changed," Max will be friends with her (its a start), and that Liz saved Max's life. I feel like I forgot something to mention... Maybe I'll just have to watch the tape again! ~Deb </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05957.DD5E3760-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chantel Reynolds <chantel_reynolds@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] second parter much better? Date: 28 Nov 2000 08:46:46 -0800 (PST) > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > okay, so how did everyone else *read* when max asked > liz if she slept with > kyle? > to me his face and exit read/understood that she did > not sleep with kyle. I didn't get that actually, but I'm not sure what I DID get out of it. Part of me would like Max to stop obsessing about it, and I'm sure Liz would too. For their eventual (I'm convinced) reconciliation, there has to be a point in which Max decides that it ultimately doesn't matter if Liz did or did not sleep with Kyle. He had her on such an impossible pedestal, and now she's fallen. And sometimes that's necessary before a real relationship, one that knows each others faults and flaws, can begin. Yes, this is a huge betrayal for Max, and I feel for him as he struggles with it. But he has to stop whipping Liz over it, and I don't like the aspect of his character that continually tortures those who disappoint him--look how he treated Isabel last week. Anyway, I do like Max, most of the time, so please don't think I'm bashing him. I'm just being protective of Liz. Chantel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PrincessTea00@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] second parter much better? Date: 28 Nov 2000 18:00:37 EST --part1_a6.c9cc586.27559315_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en okay, so how did everyone else *read* when max asked liz if she slept with=20 kyle? to me his face and exit read/understood that she did not sleep with kyle. >I read the opposite.=C2=A0 To me, his expression seemed more like a=20 sad-resignation-> i took it as just the opposite, too. i thought it meant that since she=20 couldnt tell him no, it meant yes. oh well... thats just me. so what else is= =20 there? maria and brody. i like them. they are just sooo cute together. ive=20 gotten tired of her sitting around waiting (and complaining) for (and about)= =20 michael. maybe this will show him he cant walk all over her.=20 --tova "I don't fear being on stage, and I don't fear people=20 wanting to mob me. So I fear Twinkies." =E2=80=94Kendall Payne =20 --part1_a6.c9cc586.27559315_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en <HTML>okay, so how did everyone else *read* when max asked l= iz if she slept with=20 kyle? to me his face and exit read/understood that she did not sleep with kyle= . >I read the opposite.=C2=A0 To me, his expression seemed more like a=20= sad-resignation-> to-the-truth-that-he-must-accept-if-they're-goin= g-to-be-friends.</BLOCKQUOTE> i took it as just the opposite, too. i thought it meant that since she <= BR>couldnt tell him no, it meant yes. oh well... thats just me. so what else= is there? maria and brody. i like them. they are just sooo cute togethe= r. ive gotten tired of her sitting around waiting (and complaining) for=20= (and about) michael. maybe this will show him he cant walk all over her.= =20 --tova "I don't fear being on stage, and I don't fear people=20 wanting to mob me. So I fear Twinkies." =E2=80=94Kendall Payne =20 </HTML> --part1_a6.c9cc586.27559315_boundary-- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: X MarksTheSpot <xmarksthespot@mailandnews.com> Subject: [roswell] Fanfic? Date: 30 Nov 2000 17:26:22 +0200 Hi! Could anyone recommend a good site for Roswell fanfic, please? Thanks :) -- xmarksthespot@mailandnews.com RingManager of the Canuck Actors and Actresses Ring http://members.tripod.co.uk/xmarksthespot/canring.html WebMistress of Making Waves - an unofficial Ocean Hellman Page http://members.fortunecity.com/orbilio/ocean.html Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "irene" <ibshafer@frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: [roswell] Fanfic? Date: 30 Nov 2000 10:31:55 -0500 Crashdown.com has the most complete archive I've seen. . . Though there are a lot of other good ones out there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Late for the Sky", Roswell's first fanzine! Coming to a mailbox near you--November 2000 To order, contact us at roswellfanzine@yahoo.com Or visit our web site at http://www.geocities.com/roswellfanzine/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:26 AM > > Hi! > > Could anyone recommend a good site for Roswell fanfic, please? > > Thanks :) > > -- > xmarksthespot@mailandnews.com > > RingManager of the Canuck Actors and Actresses Ring > http://members.tripod.co.uk/xmarksthespot/canring.html > WebMistress of Making Waves - an unofficial Ocean Hellman Page > http://members.fortunecity.com/orbilio/ocean.html > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Risha Jorgensen" <rbjorgen@hewitt.com> Subject: Re: [roswell] Fanfic? Date: 30 Nov 2000 10:37:41 -0500 > Hi! > > Could anyone recommend a good site for Roswell fanfic, please? > > Thanks :) > My favorite is probably Roswell Underground (http://www.roswellunderground.com/index.html). It has a HUGE collection of stories, sorted by author, and a seperate page of stories that the site owners think are worthy of special attention. New stories (along with news and commentary) are posted every day or two so you'll never run out of reading material, either. Risha. rbjorgen@hewitt.com Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info.