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port-charles-digest    Wednesday, February 25 1998    Volume 01 : Number 027




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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:00:34 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: GH/PC: Robin and Nik

At 11:40 AM 2/23/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>
>well...i see your point.  but at the same time, i think if they WERE to
>allow robin to have a sex life it would have to be handled very, VERY
>carefully.

Of course.  But I think it would be much more of a service (not to mention
more realistic) to explore the ways they can still have sex, but make it as
safe as possible.  I think that, while abstainance is the safest, it is
really pretty unrealistic to expect that every person who is HIV+, and in a
serious relationship, is going to abstain from sex for the rest of their
lives... or until there is a cure.

>not that i don't think they could do it, and do a responsible job with
>it--because i thought the way they handled the robin/stone story was
>just wonderful.

And that is the other half of why I think they should do it.  They did a
VERY responsible job of the entire situation from the very beginning.  And
I think to let it go now *is* irresponsible.

>i thought they portrayed it this way: stone got tested and was negative,
>robin went on the pill, and they used condoms until the pill made it
>"safe" for them not to anymore.

Right.

>the message being, what they THOUGHT was
>responsible behavior (getting tested and waiting to have unprotected sex
>until the test came back negative and they had pregnancy prevention
>taken care of) was the right thought but not enough.

Yes, but it's not an accurate comparison, really.  They were living in
total ignorance last time.  That isn't the case anymore at all.

>related to what i said above--they're trying SO hard to not take any
>chances about the wrong message getting out to young viewers, that
>they're willing to err on the side of being over-cautious rather than
>take a chance that their message would be misinterpreted.

I guess.  I think my point is that doing it this way is like saying, "If we
don't allow teenagers access to condoms, then they just won't have sex."  I
think it's a very ignorant approach that does more harm than good.

>on an unrelated note, sort of...i WISH you could come sit in my
>apartment and watch "er" with my roommate and myself one thursday night,
>taiyin!

Argh!  Well, as we've noticed before, your roommate and I are probably much
better off on opposite coasts. ;-)

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin
<[e-mail]> http://www.taiyin.net/

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:54:36 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: Apologies

Xmission spazed out while I was trying to send that message, and it appears
that it grabbed it more than once.

Sorry.

Taiyin, who seems to be setting some sort of listmom record for messed up
posts lately...

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:00:34 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: GH/PC: Robin and Nik

At 11:40 AM 2/23/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>
>well...i see your point.  but at the same time, i think if they WERE to
>allow robin to have a sex life it would have to be handled very, VERY
>carefully.

Of course.  But I think it would be much more of a service (not to mention
more realistic) to explore the ways they can still have sex, but make it as
safe as possible.  I think that, while abstainance is the safest, it is
really pretty unrealistic to expect that every person who is HIV+, and in a
serious relationship, is going to abstain from sex for the rest of their
lives... or until there is a cure.

>not that i don't think they could do it, and do a responsible job with
>it--because i thought the way they handled the robin/stone story was
>just wonderful.

And that is the other half of why I think they should do it.  They did a
VERY responsible job of the entire situation from the very beginning.  And
I think to let it go now *is* irresponsible.

>i thought they portrayed it this way: stone got tested and was negative,
>robin went on the pill, and they used condoms until the pill made it
>"safe" for them not to anymore.

Right.

>the message being, what they THOUGHT was
>responsible behavior (getting tested and waiting to have unprotected sex
>until the test came back negative and they had pregnancy prevention
>taken care of) was the right thought but not enough.

Yes, but it's not an accurate comparison, really.  They were living in
total ignorance last time.  That isn't the case anymore at all.

>related to what i said above--they're trying SO hard to not take any
>chances about the wrong message getting out to young viewers, that
>they're willing to err on the side of being over-cautious rather than
>take a chance that their message would be misinterpreted.

I guess.  I think my point is that doing it this way is like saying, "If we
don't allow teenagers access to condoms, then they just won't have sex."  I
think it's a very ignorant approach that does more harm than good.

>on an unrelated note, sort of...i WISH you could come sit in my
>apartment and watch "er" with my roommate and myself one thursday night,
>taiyin!

Argh!  Well, as we've noticed before, your roommate and I are probably much
better off on opposite coasts. ;-)

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin
<[e-mail]> http://www.taiyin.net/

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:00:34 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: GH/PC: Robin and Nik

At 11:40 AM 2/23/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>
>well...i see your point.  but at the same time, i think if they WERE to
>allow robin to have a sex life it would have to be handled very, VERY
>carefully.

Of course.  But I think it would be much more of a service (not to mention
more realistic) to explore the ways they can still have sex, but make it as
safe as possible.  I think that, while abstainance is the safest, it is
really pretty unrealistic to expect that every person who is HIV+, and in a
serious relationship, is going to abstain from sex for the rest of their
lives... or until there is a cure.

>not that i don't think they could do it, and do a responsible job with
>it--because i thought the way they handled the robin/stone story was
>just wonderful.

And that is the other half of why I think they should do it.  They did a
VERY responsible job of the entire situation from the very beginning.  And
I think to let it go now *is* irresponsible.

>i thought they portrayed it this way: stone got tested and was negative,
>robin went on the pill, and they used condoms until the pill made it
>"safe" for them not to anymore.

Right.

>the message being, what they THOUGHT was
>responsible behavior (getting tested and waiting to have unprotected sex
>until the test came back negative and they had pregnancy prevention
>taken care of) was the right thought but not enough.

Yes, but it's not an accurate comparison, really.  They were living in
total ignorance last time.  That isn't the case anymore at all.

>related to what i said above--they're trying SO hard to not take any
>chances about the wrong message getting out to young viewers, that
>they're willing to err on the side of being over-cautious rather than
>take a chance that their message would be misinterpreted.

I guess.  I think my point is that doing it this way is like saying, "If we
don't allow teenagers access to condoms, then they just won't have sex."  I
think it's a very ignorant approach that does more harm than good.

>on an unrelated note, sort of...i WISH you could come sit in my
>apartment and watch "er" with my roommate and myself one thursday night,
>taiyin!

Argh!  Well, as we've noticed before, your roommate and I are probably much
better off on opposite coasts. ;-)

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin
<[e-mail]> http://www.taiyin.net/

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:00:34 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: GH/PC: Robin and Nik

At 11:40 AM 2/23/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>
>well...i see your point.  but at the same time, i think if they WERE to
>allow robin to have a sex life it would have to be handled very, VERY
>carefully.

Of course.  But I think it would be much more of a service (not to mention
more realistic) to explore the ways they can still have sex, but make it as
safe as possible.  I think that, while abstainance is the safest, it is
really pretty unrealistic to expect that every person who is HIV+, and in a
serious relationship, is going to abstain from sex for the rest of their
lives... or until there is a cure.

>not that i don't think they could do it, and do a responsible job with
>it--because i thought the way they handled the robin/stone story was
>just wonderful.

And that is the other half of why I think they should do it.  They did a
VERY responsible job of the entire situation from the very beginning.  And
I think to let it go now *is* irresponsible.

>i thought they portrayed it this way: stone got tested and was negative,
>robin went on the pill, and they used condoms until the pill made it
>"safe" for them not to anymore.

Right.

>the message being, what they THOUGHT was
>responsible behavior (getting tested and waiting to have unprotected sex
>until the test came back negative and they had pregnancy prevention
>taken care of) was the right thought but not enough.

Yes, but it's not an accurate comparison, really.  They were living in
total ignorance last time.  That isn't the case anymore at all.

>related to what i said above--they're trying SO hard to not take any
>chances about the wrong message getting out to young viewers, that
>they're willing to err on the side of being over-cautious rather than
>take a chance that their message would be misinterpreted.

I guess.  I think my point is that doing it this way is like saying, "If we
don't allow teenagers access to condoms, then they just won't have sex."  I
think it's a very ignorant approach that does more harm than good.

>on an unrelated note, sort of...i WISH you could come sit in my
>apartment and watch "er" with my roommate and myself one thursday night,
>taiyin!

Argh!  Well, as we've noticed before, your roommate and I are probably much
better off on opposite coasts. ;-)

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin
<[e-mail]> http://www.taiyin.net/

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:00:34 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: GH/PC: Robin and Nik

At 11:40 AM 2/23/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>
>well...i see your point.  but at the same time, i think if they WERE to
>allow robin to have a sex life it would have to be handled very, VERY
>carefully.

Of course.  But I think it would be much more of a service (not to mention
more realistic) to explore the ways they can still have sex, but make it as
safe as possible.  I think that, while abstainance is the safest, it is
really pretty unrealistic to expect that every person who is HIV+, and in a
serious relationship, is going to abstain from sex for the rest of their
lives... or until there is a cure.

>not that i don't think they could do it, and do a responsible job with
>it--because i thought the way they handled the robin/stone story was
>just wonderful.

And that is the other half of why I think they should do it.  They did a
VERY responsible job of the entire situation from the very beginning.  And
I think to let it go now *is* irresponsible.

>i thought they portrayed it this way: stone got tested and was negative,
>robin went on the pill, and they used condoms until the pill made it
>"safe" for them not to anymore.

Right.

>the message being, what they THOUGHT was
>responsible behavior (getting tested and waiting to have unprotected sex
>until the test came back negative and they had pregnancy prevention
>taken care of) was the right thought but not enough.

Yes, but it's not an accurate comparison, really.  They were living in
total ignorance last time.  That isn't the case anymore at all.

>related to what i said above--they're trying SO hard to not take any
>chances about the wrong message getting out to young viewers, that
>they're willing to err on the side of being over-cautious rather than
>take a chance that their message would be misinterpreted.

I guess.  I think my point is that doing it this way is like saying, "If we
don't allow teenagers access to condoms, then they just won't have sex."  I
think it's a very ignorant approach that does more harm than good.

>on an unrelated note, sort of...i WISH you could come sit in my
>apartment and watch "er" with my roommate and myself one thursday night,
>taiyin!

Argh!  Well, as we've noticed before, your roommate and I are probably much
better off on opposite coasts. ;-)

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin
<[e-mail]> http://www.taiyin.net/

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:35:35 PST
From: "Julie Saker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: GH/War and Peace

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

that's it--i have just GOT to move to a different time zone.  this is
getting UTTERLY ridiculous.  yes, i know, war and peace are very
important things--but why is it ALWAYS between 3 and 4:00???  and i
swear, the timing of these interruptions lately...i'm CONVINCED they're
planning this.  here was yesterday's set-up...

we had luke and lucky in the park, lucky finds the bracelet, luke has
laura flashbacks, and begins to feel terribly guilty over his son's
blind adoration.  we had robin and nik, with robin telling nik he had a
bad attitude, and asking what was stopping him from recovering.  we had
kat and bat and the ludicrous baptismal gift thing (do people really DO
this?), and the most brilliant half-truth i've ever seen-- "in my life
i've only loved one woman...", fade to kiss.  we had jason's little
pro-union speech (incidentally--HUH?  did that come out of left field,
or am i just nuts?).  and, the crowning moment, we had the scheming
grannies, bobbie and monica, with bobbie ultimately going up to carly,
making idle chit-chat, and then asking, "so, what are your
plans?"....immediately followed by the abc theme music, fade to peter
jennings.  now, i ask you, did they PLAN it that way or WHAT???

and to make it even WORSE, after bill spoke, we cut back to peter
jennings who said the following (and i quote): "we're just about at the
end of the hour here, so we're going to fill up to the end of the hour."
EXCUSE me?  did this man just ADMIT that they're just going to use idle
filler rather than go back to the conclusion of the show they had
already interrupted???  EVIL EVIL MAN!!!

so, once again, i am throwing myself on the mercy of the
west-of-the-mississippi contingent.  did anybody get the second half of
gh yesterday and care to fill the east-coast-types in on what we missed?
thanks in advance!

julie

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:11:51 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: GH/War and Peace

Wonder if I can send this message without it dropping a dozen times. ;-)

At 06:35 AM 2/24/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>kat and bat and the ludicrous baptismal gift thing (do people really DO
>this?)

Russian Orthodox do.  Though, it's not called "Baptismal Day."  It's called
"Name's Day" and it's second only to your own birthday.

>pro-union speech (incidentally--HUH?  did that come out of left field,
>or am i just nuts?).

Sort of, but not really.  Jason is just strategizing to prevent the ELQ
plans on the docks.  So far we haven't seen much of Jason's side of this,
only Jax's.  Basically the only times it's come up with Jason are the time
when he was looking at the specs and blueplans and he said the idea stinks.

I still think the little bit at the boardmeeting when it first came up,
between Jason and Ned, was the best we've seen about this entire plot.

>so, once again, i am throwing myself on the mercy of the
>west-of-the-mississippi contingent.  did anybody get the second half of
>gh yesterday and care to fill the east-coast-types in on what we missed?

Nothing too terribly fascinating.  I think the only three interesting
things are:

1.)  More Luke angst.  He looks like he's about to crack.

2.)  Audrey overheard Lucky and Lizzie discuss that Lucky found the
bracelet in the park and she then confronted Lizzie, and she broke down and
told her grandmother the truth. Audrey was supportive, but very "sweep it
under the carpet" about the whole thing -- including suggesting that they
don't tell Lizzie's parents.

3.)  Lucky and Sarah talking.  Sarah tells Lucky that she knows what
happened and Lucky blaming himself.  When Sarah asks why, he tells her that
if he hadn't gone to the dance with Sarah, Lizzie would have been there
safe and sound.  So they both felt guilty for a while before Lucky pointed
out that they weren't getting anywhere with this.  And then Lucky commented
that he hopes the guy who did it is being eaten up from the inside out.

I liked 3 the best, because, even though it included Sarah, it was more of
Lucky's reaction to this, and he was crying again by the end of the scene.

Audrey's reaction was almost creepy, and Lizzie felt something not quite
right about the way her grandmother was responding, and it made me want to
give her a hug, because she looked really lost, like she had thought that
telling her grandmother would h*lp her, and then she did it and it didn't
work and she didn't have anywhere left to go.

Not all that great and the preview for today didn't look all that hot, either.

But that's probably because (I think) today is supposed to be Luke's first
day on PC. <happy dance>

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin
<[e-mail]> http://www.taiyin.net/

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:25:40 PST
From: "Julie Saker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: Re: GH/War and Peace

taiyin wrote:

>Russian Orthodox do.  Though, it's not called "Baptismal Day."  It's
>called "Name's Day" and it's second only to your own birthday.

wow--so everybody gets TWO birthdays a year?  pretty cool...learn
something new every day!  (of course, how KATHERINE would have known
that is beyond me...)

>1.)  More Luke angst.  He looks like he's about to crack.

can't wait.  and if THIS doesn't tempt genie out of maternity leave, i
don't know WHAT will!  seems to me a lot of people have been waiting
AGES for this particular story to play out--and i THINK i even read
something by her, once upon a time, that said she really wished this had
been addressed more instead of revised and swept under the carpet.

>2.)  Audrey overheard Lucky and Lizzie discuss that Lucky found the
>bracelet in the park and she then confronted Lizzie, and she broke
>down and told her grandmother the truth. Audrey was supportive, but
>very "sweep it under the carpet" about the whole thing -- including
>suggesting that they don't tell Lizzie's parents.

hmmmm.  i read somewhere that audrey's reaction to this was supposed to
be very strange, and related to some past trauma of her own.  does
anybody know if SHE has a rape in her past too?  (god, there's an awful
lot of this going around lately, isn't there?)

>I liked 3 the best, because, even though it included Sarah, it was
>more of Lucky's reaction to this, and he was crying again by the end
>of the scene.

i'm feeling SO bad for lucky in all of this--but sarah...even when she's
trying to be SUPPORTIVE she annoys me!  i did, however, like the scene
at the beginning of yesterday between sarah and lizzie.  when sarah said
she'd do anything lizzie needed her to do, and lizzie asked her if she
could turn back time...ouch.  that was just PAINFUL, but beautifully
done.

>Not all that great and the preview for today didn't look all that
>hot, either.

well good...at least i know not to get stressed if the president
interrupts yet AGAIN today!  :)

thanks for the update, taiyin!

did anything further happen with bobbie and carly?  the little bit of
that conversation i saw was really interesting--sb and jz are doing an
INCREDIBLE job with this.  the way carly started out in full defensive
mode, but then when bobbie made some comment about how happy and healthy
michael looked, you could just SEE carly softening as she said, "yeah,
he is, isn't he..." or something like that.  the range of emotions, and
watching carly go back and forth between them all, is just amazing to
watch--monica's definitely right--she SO wants to have a relationship
with her mother, and yet she's still so angry about the past, and so
scared of being rejected again, and so disappointed in her own behavior
and subsequently sure that she DESERVES the rejection she fears...it's
enough to make your head spin.  i really didn't think much of sb last
year, and kind of wondered why she got that emmy...but i've COMPLETELY
changed my mind on that score!

>But that's probably because (I think) today is supposed to be Luke's
>first day on PC. <happy dance>

i think you're right--i can't wait!  wow--poor lucy yesterday, huh?  at
the end, when she was talking to the "higher powers"?  talk about
somebody you want to give a hug...  i just can't BELIEVE rex, even as
freaked out as he was by the spiders, was STILL trying to play games
with them.  GRRRRRRRRRRR.

and matt and ellen...<sigh>  clearly they're not going to proceed too
far with this plot line (unless someone else has heard something i
haven't, about matt leaving the show), but i REALLY hope somebody reams
chris HARD over this one, once the truth comes out.

anyway...thanks again for the info!

julie

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:44:57 EST5EDT
From: "Gina Clayton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: Re: GH/War and Peace

>> Audrey was supportive, but
> >very "sweep it under the carpet" about the whole thing -- including
> >suggesting that they don't tell Lizzie's parents.
>
> hmmmm.  i read somewhere that audrey's reaction to this was supposed to
> be very strange, and related to some past trauma of her own.  does
> anybody know if SHE has a rape in her past too?  (god, there's an awful
> lot of this going around lately, isn't there?)
yes-she was raped by her husband andI think tom was conceived that night.
I might be wrong on the conception thing-let me know if I am.  At that time it wasn't considered rape, but it was clearly
unconsentual sex.  this was in the 60's so it was swept under the
carpet like she is telling Liz to do.
> >I liked 3 the best, because, even though it included Sarah, it was
> >more of Lucky's reaction to this, and he was crying again by the end
> >of the scene.
I really HATE that I missed that scene.  I love watching JJ's
reactions-he is doing a great job.  I even enjoyed Sarah yesterday
when she was helping Liz.

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:43:40 -0500
From: Amy Schatz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: Re: GH/War and Peace

>At 09:25 AM 2/24/98 PST, you wrote:

Hi all,

    I'm new to this list, and looking forward to participating.  I've been
watching GH since I was 7 years old...and I'm now almost 22. <g>

>>2.)  Audrey overheard Lucky and Lizzie discuss that Lucky found the
>>bracelet in the park and she then confronted Lizzie, and she broke
>>down and told her grandmother the truth. Audrey was supportive, but
>>very "sweep it under the carpet" about the whole thing -- including
>>suggesting that they don't tell Lizzie's parents.

Okay, did they show this yesterday?  Because I'm on the East coast and the
President interrupted just when everything was getting really good.  I was
so mad!  So, did I miss a moment between Lucky and Liz - ie. did he give
her bracelet back yesterday, or will that happen today?

>hmmmm.  i read somewhere that audrey's reaction to this was supposed to
>be very strange, and related to some past trauma of her own.  does
>anybody know if SHE has a rape in her past too?  (god, there's an awful
>lot of this going around lately, isn't there?)

I think I heard something about some trauma like that in her past...

>>I liked 3 the best, because, even though it included Sarah, it was
>>more of Lucky's reaction to this, and he was crying again by the end
>>of the scene.

I love Lucky now!  Which is odd, since he used to really annoy me.  And I
still can't make myself like Sarah...even though she was nice to Liz
yesterday. :D

>i'm feeling SO bad for lucky in all of this--but sarah...even when she's
>trying to be SUPPORTIVE she annoys me!

Same here!  She's too perfect and wonderful...no one can be that angelic. <g>

>  i did, however, like the scene
>at the beginning of yesterday between sarah and lizzie.  when sarah said
>she'd do anything lizzie needed her to do, and lizzie asked her if she
>could turn back time...ouch.  that was just PAINFUL, but beautifully
>done.

That was a wonderfully done scene...

>>Not all that great and the preview for today didn't look all that
>>hot, either.
>
>well good...at least i know not to get stressed if the president
>interrupts yet AGAIN today!  :)

Amen!!


Amy


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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:09:58 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: Re: GH/War and Peace

At 12:43 PM 2/24/98 -0500, Amy Schatz wrote:
>    I'm new to this list, and looking forward to participating.  I've been
>watching GH since I was 7 years old...and I'm now almost 22. <g>

Welcome Amy!

>>>2.)  Audrey overheard Lucky and Lizzie discuss that Lucky found the
>>>bracelet in the park and she then confronted Lizzie, and she broke
>>>down and told her grandmother the truth. Audrey was supportive, but
>>>very "sweep it under the carpet" about the whole thing -- including
>>>suggesting that they don't tell Lizzie's parents.
>
>Okay, did they show this yesterday?

Yup.  It was the second half of the ep.

>So, did I miss a moment between Lucky and Liz - ie. did he give
>her bracelet back yesterday, or will that happen today?

Yeah, that's what prompted Lizzie to tell Audrey -- her grandmother
overheard Lucky and LIzzie discussing the fact that Lucky had found the
bracelet, AFTER Lizzie had lied to her grandmother about it having a broken
clasp and being taken to the jewelry store to be fixed.

>>i'm feeling SO bad for lucky in all of this--but sarah...even when she's
>>trying to be SUPPORTIVE she annoys me!
>
>Same here!  She's too perfect and wonderful...no one can be that angelic. <g>

She annoys me because she needs acting lessons. ;-)

Taiyin
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altar of your amusement.  It's the least I
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:24:08 -0500
From: Amy Schatz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: Re: GH/War and Peace

>>At 10:09 AM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>At 12:43 PM 2/24/98 -0500, Amy Schatz wrote:
>>    I'm new to this list, and looking forward to participating.  I've been
>>watching GH since I was 7 years old...and I'm now almost 22. <g>
>
>Welcome Amy!

Thanks! :D

>>>>2.)  Audrey overheard Lucky and Lizzie discuss that Lucky found the
>>>>bracelet in the park and she then confronted Lizzie, and she broke
>>>>down and told her grandmother the truth. Audrey was supportive, but
>>>>very "sweep it under the carpet" about the whole thing -- including
>>>>suggesting that they don't tell Lizzie's parents.
>>
>>Okay, did they show this yesterday?
>
>Yup.  It was the second half of the ep.

Oh great.  Why does this always happen??  Peter Jennings *never* breaks in
on AMC or OLTL.  It's always GH.  It seems like all world events happen
between 3 - 4 pm EST.

I was looking forward to seeing Lucky give Liz the bracelet back...this
stinks...

And I almost screamed when Peter Jennings said, "Well, folks, it's
3:50...so we're just going to fill out till the end of the hour..."

I said, "NO!!!  I want to see the very end, at least!!  Or even the
previews!  Throw me a bone, here, people!" ;-)

>>So, did I miss a moment between Lucky and Liz - ie. did he give
>>her bracelet back yesterday, or will that happen today?
>
>Yeah, that's what prompted Lizzie to tell Audrey -- her grandmother
>overheard Lucky and LIzzie discussing the fact that Lucky had found the
>bracelet, AFTER Lizzie had lied to her grandmother about it having a broken
>clasp and being taken to the jewelry store to be fixed.

So, did Audrey confront Liz, or will that happen today? (maybe I didn't
miss all the good stuff - cause we all know that if Audrey isn't
supportive, Liz will get upset and maybe go tell Lucky about it:)

>>>i'm feeling SO bad for lucky in all of this--but sarah...even when she's
>>>trying to be SUPPORTIVE she annoys me!
>>
>>Same here!  She's too perfect and wonderful...no one can be that angelic.
<g>
>
>She annoys me because she needs acting lessons. ;-)

While she does need some work, she's not as bad as Miranda was...or that
stupid Ashley...<shudder>  But she does do that thing with her eyes...she
always look surprised... <g>

BTW, anything interesting happen between Robin and Nikolas in the 2nd half
of the episode?


Amy




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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:32:38 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: Re: GH/War and Peace

At 01:24 PM 2/24/98 -0500, Amy Schatz wrote:
>
>So, did Audrey confront Liz, or will that happen today? (maybe I didn't
>miss all the good stuff - cause we all know that if Audrey isn't
>supportive, Liz will get upset and maybe go tell Lucky about it:)

No, it already happened.  She wanted to know why LIzzie had lied about
taking the bracelet to the jewelers to be repaired.  It was relaly only
because she got caught in that lie that she told Audrey at all.  Under
normal circumstances she probably would have tap-danced her way out of it,
but she's just not up for that right now.

And it wasn't that Audrey isn't being supportive, but she's taking a very
different approach than Bobbie or Lucky, or even Luke, did.

I mean, when Lizzie was raped and she decided not to tell anyone and not to
press charges, I could understand that.  In her shoes I would probably do
that same thing -- there is really no chance of catching the guy because
she doesn't know anything about him and that is a REALLY hard thing to
share with ANYbody.  So the fewer people who know, the better.  I can
understand that.

But eventually Lizzie began to realize that whether or not she goes to the
police, SHE needs h*lp to deal with this.  Lucky is doing what he can (and
frothing at the mouth waiting for the chance to find the guy and rip his
spleen out with his teeth), so is Bobbie  and now so is Sarah.

It's just that Audrey's idea of a solution was not as proactive as everyone
else's.  I think that's why it felt off-kilter.  She was very upset by it,
but her "solutions" to it seemed like she was trying to get lizzie over a
flu:  "Just rest and have some tea, stay warm and no need to make a big
deal out of it, because you'll just put it behind you and get on with your
life."

It just wasn't what Lizie was expecting.  And it wasn't like, so far,
Audrey has been ever remotely UNsupportive, so I don't think it's really
anything that Lizzie can put her finger on, but something DID bother her
about Audrey's reaction.

>While she does need some work, she's not as bad as Miranda was...or that
>stupid Ashley...<shudder>  But she does do that thing with her eyes...she
>always look surprised... <g>

That's why I call her "Ms. Deer in the Headlights."

>BTW, anything interesting happen between Robin and Nikolas in the 2nd half
>of the episode?

No more than what Julie wrote earlier -- Robin just pointing out to Nik
that his attitude was his biggest obsitcal, and asked him how badly he
really wanted to get better.  She did comment that, essetially, he's
feeling sorry for himself.  There really isn't anything WRONG with him, and
certainly nothing that can't be fixed.  She made a nameless comparison to
Jason -- about how "some people" loose years of their lives, and memories
and skills that they can never get back and they go on with their lives.
It's just a matter of CHOICE.

Basically she told him to make up his mind.  She was very nice about it,
though.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:08:30 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: Matt and Ellen

Well, I was waiting for someone to mention it (I've been a little
preoccupied with K&L), but after TWO excellent Matt and Ellen days, I
finally had to say something (since Cagey must be REALLY busy, otherwise
I'm sure we would have heard her melting into a giddy puddle of goo).

Wow.  Go Ellen!  I am SO glad that she finally took a chance.

They need to give Debi more to do -- damn, that woman can ACT.

And poor Matt.  What is with those agents hovering like a couple of
vultures waiting for dinner?  Sheesh.  Obviously the concept of "privacy"
is not a top priority for these guys.

And Matt's observation about trading his life for the things that make his
life worth while was right on the money.  I am glad that Ellen convinced
him to go, anyway, though.

Combined with K&L it did make for a very, very sad ep, though.

Though when Ramsey gets his butt kicked it'll make up for it.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the
altar of your amusement.  It's the least I
can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:50:00 PST
From: "Julie Saker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: GH SPOILERS

got this off of pc online, so i don't know their original source...
but some of them are pretty gruesome.  don't say i didn't warn you!

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Scoops for the week of March 2

Monday: Jax doesn't give Brenda the answer she wants

Tuesday: Alan is on the hotseat when Taggert accuses him of taking pain
medication

[huh--TAGGERT?]

Thursday: Audrey is falling apart about Liz's rape--

Friday: Lucky learns the truth about his parents past-- from none other
than Nikolas

[oh my, oh my, oh MY.  now THAT should be good!]

Coming soon:

Lucky tries to follow up on the truth about what Nikolas has told him.

After Michael is kidnapped, Edward is the primse suspect-- initally.

[you're kidding me, right?  HOW is the most-guarded child on earth going
to be kidnapped NOW???]

Amy catches Alan with his hand in the cookie jar again.

Brenda works to snag Jax's heart and body again.

[ugh...it gets SO much worse.  see below...]

In Depth:

Brenda realizes she wants Jax more than ever after his reaction to her
marriage purposal.

[EEEEEEEWW!  PLEASE SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!!!  braindead is NOT going to ask
doormat to MARRY her?!?  what is guza smoking???]

Tess is feeling the heat of Mac and Felicia's investigation but they
find themselves unprepared for the way she reacts.

Alan is questioned by Taggert about the pain pills.

Alexis and Ned scam AJ on the job.

As Jason struggles to maintain his power base, Robin finds herself
getting more attached to Nikolas.

[oh geez...i guess we all predicted this...but still...]

Nikolas' speech continues to improve and spills the truth to Lucky about
Luke and Laura's past.

[woo-hoo!  luke is gonna FLIP!!!]

Robin has another meeting with Carly and is hurt by Jason's treatment of
her afterwards.

Elizabeth is puzzled by Audrey's reaction to her rape.... Audrey is
beginning to fall apart.

Tony loudly and clearly informs everyone that he is leaving Port Charles
for good.

[dare we hope?  actually, i've heard he's going to be the
afore-mentioned kidnapper.  <sigh> ]

Jason and Justus team up to keep Jax at bay.

Tess makes an important phone call, but V is working behind the scenes
to have the call traced.

Mac and Felicia make an important decision about their future.

Carly is in a paralyzingly frightening incident about Michael.


Scoops for the week of
February 23-27, 1998

[some of this already happened...but some didn't yet]

Monday 2/23 Robins announcement shocks Carly into action.
Tuesday 2/24 Tess makes a surprise visit to The Outback, where Mac gets
more information about her plan.
Wednesday 2/25 Alan continues to try to hide his addiction.
Thursday 2/26 Jason changes some of his ways. Justus warns Jason to keep
his eyes open.
Friday 2/27 Jax once again tries to protect his Brenda, and she asks him
a surprising question.

In Depth Scoops:

Katherine's gift of the Stone Bench has a strange effect on Stefan as he
ruminates more and more about his relationship with Laura Spencer.
Nikolas will discover the portait of Laura, which Stefan has hidden
away, and this will serve to cement the idea Helena implanted in his
brain about Stefan truly loving Laura....or being obsessed by her.
Stefan will not answer Nikolas' questions in this regard which makes Nik
even more uneasy about his *Uncle's* feelings for his mother. Stefan is
not thrilled with Robin's visits to Nikolas and plants the seed of
warning in Nikolas' mind about trusting a Scorpio.

Robin will finally confront carly about AJ being Michael's real father--
and she threatens that Carly had better tell AJ the truth before Jason
becomes even more attached to Michael. Robin will not tolerate Carly
using and hurting Jason like that.  This threat to Carly's newfound way
of life, and the knowledge that AJ would definitely sue for custody
causes Carly's Manipulation Machine of a brain to start plotting against
Robin.

Liz is going to break the news to Audrey that she has lost the bracelet
she loaned her, but Lucky finds the bracelet in the park and returns it
and this causes Liz to breakdown and admit what happened.
Liz will finally tell her grandmother that she was raped in the park.
Audrey has a strange reaction, and will not go with Liz to GH for an HIV
test. Bobbie goes with her in Audrey's place, but everyone is puzzled by
Audrey's uncharacteristic behavior. Sarah and Lucky have a discussion
about what happened to Liz, and why they both feel guilty.

Tess makes a surprise visit to *James* at The Outback, and Mac finally
puts some of her hints together as he figures out her dastardly plan.


This week, the Spotlight
is on Jasper Jacks!

Jax is more than a little impatient about the continuing delays with the
Dock Project-- after all Big Bucks are at stake here!

Jax shows his more ruthless business man side this week, which we
certainly haven't seen in awhile. Jax begins by having it out with Nedly
about why Ned isn't leaning on Jason to get the project going....he gets
Ned's goat by telling him that he isn't behaving professionally. He's
letting familial feelings prevent him from
reaching his goal. Ned, however, turns the tables on Jax, by telling Jax
that he thinks that Jax is the one whose feelings are foremost here--
Jax is still jealous of Sonny and has carried those feelings of jealousy
and hatred to Jason!

Jax has had it up to his eyeballs by now, and tells Ned that he isn't
going to stand around waiting for Ned to light a fire under Jason, and
that he will do whatever he deems necessary to resolve the delays. Ned
takes this as a Death Threat for Jason and decides to warn his cousin.
Jax, however, has something else up his sleeve and pays a visit to one
of Jason's underlings-- a man named Sam.

Jax talks out of both sides of his face by telling Sam that Jason is out
to get him...and Sam confides in Jax that it is Jason who will soon be
out of the picture! Jax, of course, runs to Jason to warn him of a
Benedict Arnold on his team.

Jax is feeling very smug about this as he realizes he can't lose. If Sam
has Jason offed and out of the way that's great for the project. If
Jason, however, disposes of Sam, then Jason will be under the impression
that he has a debt to Jax for the warning......and will stop stalling on
the Dock Project.

Sam and Jason will have it out by Friday.

Brenda excitely informs Robin that she has a new job and a big surprise
for Jax. Brenda is going to work for the local auto dealer, and in fact
has a photo shoot this very day. While Brenda is at the shoot, Jax
arrives at her house-- she has set things up for him to be lured there
and he is both amused and curious. Jax and Robin
discuss things and while they are chatting, a tabloid reporter calls Jax
and asks about Brenda's reentry into the modeling world. Jax panics, and
ever the Knight in Shining Armour, he hurries to be with Brenda in case
she needs help at the shoot. Brenda, however, is pretty calm, cool and
collected...inside though, she is worried, remembering her breakdown,
but she gets through it just fine. Brenda changes after the shoot into a
beautiful ball gown and Jax's eyeballs just about pop out when he sees
her. Brenda brings Jax back to her house, which is prepared with soft
lighting and romantic decorations. Brenda
opens her heart and soul to Jax, and tells him that he is the Wind
Beneath her Wings. This is the old Brenda-- the woman who will do
whatever it takes to get what she wants.....and she hits Jax with a big
question/demand: "Either marry me today, or our relationship is over!"
The same wording Jax used when he asked her to marry him. Jax is taken
aback. How will he react??

Coming Soon:

Jax answers Brenda's proposal
Tony plans for a different future
Mac and Felicia's relationship takes a strange twist
Two of the town's most influential families are victims of shocking
revelations

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