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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Police photos 1977 - 1986
Date: 01 Jul 2001 06:14:30 EDT

Hi,

I need some help.=20
I'm trying to get some chronology in the thousands of Police photos I found=20
in books, magazines, albums etc.=20
So I'm in need of photos together with the exact date when they were taken.=20
Any help is welcome... Please bury me in e-mails.

Bye, Dietmar


Dietmar Cl=F6s
Kleine Beurhausstra=DFe 14
44137 Dortmund
Germany

Tel.: 0231 / 163344
Fax: 040 / 3603649480
e-mail: [e-mail]

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From: "StingUs Karel Van Isacker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Sting in Enschede 01/07/2001 full review ,;-)
Date: 02 Jul 2001 14:42:14 +0200

Well, where do we start, uhm, let's see, "short but sweet" it was indeed.

As we headed for Enschede (4 hours car drive from Antwerp, Belgium), Bern=
ard
and I were wondering how the hell we were going to get there with a map t=
hat
turned out to be ... well an old map (streets changed names, streets seem=
ed
to have dissappeared, etc etc). Anyway, after having discovered that the
Dutch highways have a strange way of "splitting up" and after having pass=
ed
Bathmen (a small Dutch village/town) we knew that we were heading into th=
e
right direction of the small city of Enschede.

Bernard drove with his habitual mood, meaning almost a kamikaze driver, i=
n
EVE 392 (our favorite all terrain Peugeot 305 car ha ha ha ha ....) until=
l
we reached Twente University in Enschede.
Now we had to wait to give away all the free tickets (thanks Tonnie Buiti=
nk
and Mojo Concerts) to the fans that won the contest. As we arrived at the
gates, Martin Jaster and his future wife were the first ones we saw. It w=
as
lovely to meet you guys there Martin! We all had the chance finally to me=
et
in real life, exchanging ideas and desires for the forthcoming gig. Thank=
s
for the present.

Other well-known people were Peterlien and Corinne (thanks to both for th=
e
kisses!) who were very charming as always (Bernard is always very happy w=
hen
seeing them!), Jan Hersevoort, Desiree Kraus and friend, Anne-Jelmer Dren=
t
with brother and friend, Volker Kulms and friend (Volker, it was very nic=
e
having met you there at last, next time your Elke has to be there as well=
!,
thanks as well for the present.), Magda of course (thanks for the nice
chat), Markus (we were looking for you after the gig, and also where was
Sjoerd?), Ruediger and girlfriend/wife (?) (Happy Birthday Ruediger), Lui=
gi
for the nice talks during and after the concert (you truly are a Bolivian
gigolo!) and Isabella La Bella and friend, and some other people (I can't
recall their names anymore).
Yvonne, we didn't see you this time, maybe next time?
Vivienne, I hope you got your ticket that we left at the ticket office?
LJB and friend, WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU??
Karsten, no sign of you?
Andrea you were missed, but there's a compensation for that. Fred, same f=
or
you ,;-)).

It was a nice green peacefull place with trees, lovely sun and a very
happy-mooded crowd.  The program consisted of ELLEN TEN DAMME, VENICE, WI=
LLY
DEVILLE, ILSE DELANGE and our mr.Sting.
Ilse Delange had a very nice set (I was really surprised that she perform=
ed
that well) and at the end mentioned that "Guys, do you know we are not
allowed to use the toilets backstage? They can only be used by Sting, tha=
t
kinda sucks, no? But maybe he has diarrhoea and he wants to avoid that we
all get contaminated, and then we have to say thank you for the nice gest=
ure
from him!". The crowd laughed out loud with this remark of course, anyway=
,
when she went offstage, she told that she was very anxious as well to see
Sting perform.

In between i had the time to look for the STING SHOP (in Dutch guilders):
tourbook: 20 ,-
kids T-shirt 'it's a brand new day": 36 ,-
Poster: 15,-
Sting Red T-shirt: 50 ,-
Sting Khaki T-shirt: 50 ,-
Charcoal T-shirt: 50 ,-
Sting Skinny: 50 ,-
CD: 40 ,-

And now Sting's performance.
As we already said, it was a very short gig, namely 84 minutes. But he wa=
s
performing great with a lot of joking about onstage with Manu Katche. Jef=
f
Young was doing backing vocals again (was quite good), Chris was just "co=
ol
Chris" with his black glasses (strange, but If you love somebody ... was
started with a nice small intro with Chris on Trumpet), Manu was Manu
(nothing spectacular as he doesn't change it looks like), Dominic was ver=
y
good again, he just gives the extra in a lot of songs with his guitar wor=
k,
Kipper obviously had problems with his headphone-micro set in the beginni=
ng,
Jason Robello was very good, much better than Russ Irwin in the solos, an=
d
Mr- Sting wore again his colourfull outfit (Versace? Armani? Something I =
had
a few years back and only wore once ...) and the yellow-orange-brown
sunglasses, maybe he doesn't like the spots anymore? ,;-)

here's the setlist:
intro / Set Them Free
After the Rain has fallen
We'll be together
Perfect Love ...
Seven Days
Fill Her Up
Fields of Gold
Every little Thing She does is magic
Englishman in NY
Roxanne (long haunting version)
Desert Rose
Bring On / World
1st Encore
If I ever lose my Faith in you
Every Breath you take
2nd Encore
Fragile (plenty of mistakes that were instantly re-interpreted by Sting
himself)
"See you again next year!"

These songs were ommitted:
A Thousand Years
Mad about You
Moon over Bourbon Street
Message in a Bottle (a pity as it was played the day before at the Wercht=
er
Festival)
Brand New Day

A short gig, but nevertheless, it was one of the best gigs we have been t=
o
so far.
After the gig, we had a lovely chat with most of the persons earlier
mentioned. And then, yeah back to Belgium, at least, that was what we
thought as after 1/2 hour of driving we saw all those =FC-containing plac=
es,
making us realise that we were driving in the wrong direction into sweet =
old
Germany. Yeah, okay turning our car and there we went for another 4 hours.
Finally at 3.00 AM we were back in Antwerp ready to sleep ... home sweet
home after all.

We want to thank these people as this splendid day was only possible with
the nice collaboration of Tonnie Buitink Eventmanager UT, Wim Dekker and
Aukina Buining from MOJO CONCERTS.
A BIG thanks to all these people!

Groetjes, Cheers,
StingUs-team
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (police) Reggatta De Blanc remaster
Date: 02 Jul 2001 10:46:18 EDT

       A lot of people that are used to vinyl tend to complain about that.  The way that analog works, it ends up having a much "fuller" bottom sound, according to listeners.  That's due to the nature of the process used to play back/record the music.
      Digital recording/playback reproduces the sound *MUCH* more truthfully than analog could ever hope to, though (more on that in a sec).
      So, part it of might have been the way they remastered it (cuz it can get screwed up pretty badly from the way it sounds on, say, a DAT tape), but another, larger, part of it might actually be the sound system you're using.
   Have you considered buying "Message in a Box"? It has all the Police albums and most their B-sides on 4 CDs... you should be able to get it used (usually in sparkling condition, but cheaper) for about $35. I'm not sure if the remasters there and the remastered albums were remastered at different times.
    I have the vinyl of all the Police albums but one, and although I'm 21 and didn't grow up listening to the Police on vinyl (but did use a record player studiously), so my opinion may be biased, but IMO, the recordings on "Message in a Box" are a lot better than on vinyl.(Then again, the speakers are 20 years old<g>)
    But, like I said, it has more to do with your sound system than anything.  If it has a "bass boost" on it, then it's a guarantee that it won't faithfully reproduce what's on that CD (euphemism for: sorry, but it sucks).  99% of people that listen to CDs will never understand how amazing the quality of one is, because they never spend the money to buy a truly *good* stereo system. Beside that, though, a decent car stereo, with a low, mid, and high speaker, is the best I have, actually (2000 Saturn, in too much detail), and I love it :).

    Anyway, a long post, but I hope this helps.

                     Til Again,
                           -Dave

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From: "K. Carroll" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Police BTM on this week
Date: 02 Jul 2001 12:20:16 -0400

According to VH1's Web site the Police Behind the Music will be shown on
Friday July 6, 3:00 PM EST.
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From: Piedpiper 63 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) 2 Tickets Sting Hyde Park LONDON 28 July 2001
Date: 02 Jul 2001 19:26:06 +0200


2 Tickets Sting Hyde Park LONDON 28 July 2001
http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252118852

Cheers,
Martin aka Piedpiper

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From: mvansant <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Joe Henderson died
Date: 02 Jul 2001 19:35:19 +0200

Hi all,

I just read in the Newspaper,

Jazzmusician/saxophone player Joe Henderson passed away at the age of
64.
He was suffering from heartproblems caused by an affection of the lungs.
A year ago he stopped perfoming because of his bad health.

Some of us maybe know his album "Porgy & Bess" on which an all star band
playes the music of Gershwin, featuring Sting in the song: 'It ain't
Necessarily So'.

cu
magda


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From: "Ross Viner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Any Australians here?
Date: 02 Jul 2001 10:53:00 -0700

I might be going there in the winter (my winter).
Ross

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From: [e-mail] (Elke & Volker Kulms)
Subject: (police) Enschede review
Date: 02 Jul 2001 20:41:37 +0200

Hello,

It was a "lovely evening" as Sting said during the concert and this also
was the mood of the gig. I saw them one week ago in Wiesbaden and I get
the impression more and more that they all get very relaxed as this
2year marathon comes to an end. They played to an audience of about 7000
or 8000 people (please correct me if I'm wrong), the place was not sold
out but it was a great concert nevertheless. They played a quite short
set(90 minutes), they did not only leave out 1000years and MIAB but also
Mad About You, MOBS and Brand New Day. I think this was due to the fact
that this was not a Sting-only gig but a festival which started at 2:30
pm and presented 5 more bands.
On my way to work today I thought about the last 2 gigs I saw and all
those reviews I read in the past, I think this tour can be split up in
several phases:
The first phase was when they started off in the fall of 1999 *USA*
everything was quite unrehearsed, the arrangements weren't that tight
and they still had to get together, think of all the people who
complained that they have put the LA show on DVD instead of all those
better concerts later on
The spring of 2000 *Europe* saw the climax of the band, the arrangements
had grown and the band was experienced in playing together, everything
was very tight and fitting.
In the summer of 2000 *USA* we have the autopilot phase, many people
complained that Sting was just going through the motions, the band
played well but the heart was lacking a bit.
What we have now is the chill-out phase. The recent reviews said that
they all seem to be in a good mood, what they did in Enschede even more
than in Wiesbaden was joking with each other while playing, we get more
drum breaks from Manu and bass licks from Sting, they know that they can
play everything blindfolded and they don't take it all too seriously,
not looking at every note they play but having fun. If this continues,
the last 2 gigs in London should be VERY entertaining  ;o)
I was told that this tour consisted of 372 gigs in 42 countries, now it
that worth an entry in the Guinness book?

thanks
Volker



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (police) Reggatta De Blanc remaster
Date: 02 Jul 2001 17:03:21 EDT

In a message dated 7/2/01 3:48:09 PM GMT Daylight Time, [e-mail]=20
writes:

> 99% of people that listen to CDs will never understand how amazing the=20
> quality of one is, because they never spend the money to buy a truly *good=
*=20
> stereo system.

I'll have to seriously agree with you there, Dave - a friend of mine recentl=
y=20
spent =A311,000 (yes, eleven THOUSAND) on a, well, what can I call it? It wa=
s=20
the most stupendous "hi-fi" I've ever had the pleasure to listen to. He=20
invited me over with a bunch of my favourite CDs (Reggatta being top of the=20
pile, naturally) and, by God, it was like listening to a whole new album!=20
I've never heard The Police sound so good in someone's living room. And it=20
was one of the first CD issues of Reggatta too. My poor old Pioneer system=20
will never seem the same again...

Ian

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From: "Steerpike" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Reggatta De Blanc remaster
Date: 02 Jul 2001 23:51:02 +0200

Do You really want a new experience? Try Sting and The Police reissues in
DTS format. Obviously you need a specific 5 speaker + sub woofer set and =
a
DTS decoder to play those re-releases.
I know this is no new stuff for this newsgroup but You also get a very
special version of "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da" from the '86 "combat"
sessions.
I've been listening to Sting/Police songs for ages, but the first time my
ears "came in touch" with the DTS remixed versions (and I'm also consider=
ing
the Brand New Day DTS very recent version) it's been just like a brand ne=
w
experience to me. Every single detail is highlighted. It's like passing f=
rom
mono to stereo audio.
If you are considering to buy an home theatre set for your DVD and TV sys=
tem
just be sure to ask for a DTS enabled decoder.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:03 PM


In a message dated 7/2/01 3:48:09 PM GMT Daylight Time, [e-mail]=
m
writes:

> 99% of people that listen to CDs will never understand how amazing the
> quality of one is, because they never spend the money to buy a truly
*good*
> stereo system.

I'll have to seriously agree with you there, Dave - a friend of mine
recently
spent =A311,000 (yes, eleven THOUSAND) on a, well, what can I call it? It=
 was
the most stupendous "hi-fi" I've ever had the pleasure to listen to. He
invited me over with a bunch of my favourite CDs (Reggatta being top of t=
he
pile, naturally) and, by God, it was like listening to a whole new album!
I've never heard The Police sound so good in someone's living room. And i=
t
was one of the first CD issues of Reggatta too. My poor old Pioneer syste=
m
will never seem the same again...

Ian

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From: "Timothy Enders" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Reggatta De Blanc remaster
Date: 03 Jul 2001 07:35:32 -0400

What Steerpike said!!!
I couldn't believe it the first time that I listened to the Police's =
Greatest in DTS. Incredible. And the '86 version of DeDoDoDo is also =
Incredible. It really is like a whole new experience - it brings out a lot =
of layers in their music that you really never heard in the classic =
formats - whole new tracks.

I also have Ten Summoner's in DTS, and it is also incredible. I was =
listening really closely to the center chanel the other day - Sting's =
vocals and bass are mainly through this channel, that is, the bass that =
doesn't go to the Subwoofer- and wow, it blew me away. I could hear him =
fretting the notes! That is to say, when you play a bass, (and to a lesser =
extent, a guitar) and fret a note kind of hard, there is a noise, almost a =
ringing, that it makes as the string comes down on the fret - well, I =
could HEAR that. The strings in contact with the fingerboard and frets. I =
swear, I'm not making this up. Listening was more than hearing, Ok, heres =
this bassline, these notes, it was listening to Sting PLAY the bass.

I highly reccomend these to anyone who has a DTS capable system. And to =
anyone who is building a home theater, get a DTS capable reciever. They =
cost a little more, but they're worth it. DTS movies also sound better =
than in Dolby Digital. And, be aware, although they are both 5.1 channel =
formats, they're NOT the same thing. The sound quality of DTS is better.

-Tim


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From: [e-mail] (White, Maggie)
Subject: (police) Ian in VH1
Date: 03 Jul 2001 09:18:47 -0700

Ian has a few minutes on VH1 during the REM BTM (how's that for a bunch
of acronyms??)

He talked about how he convinced Miles to manage REM by agreeing to be
the tour manager for the Bangles. One of the members of REM says
jokingly that Miles never spent any money on any of his bands.

There may have been more with Ian or Miles, but I only watched a few
minutes of the program.

By the way, if you haven't read Ian's book, Wild Thing, I highly
recommend it. There's a lot of info about early 80s bands he managed,
and it's an interesting read. And there's enough Police content to keep
us all happy.

Maggie


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From: [e-mail] (White, Maggie)
Subject: (police) Speaking of Ian
Date: 03 Jul 2001 09:28:26 -0700

The website for his bar/restaurant, Backstage Cafe, has been updated (it
probably has been for a while, I don't check it very often). There's A
LOT of dead links or links that don't work (at least for me), but there
is half of a nice little article written by Ian about two surprise
performances at Backstage Cafe by Santa's Boyfriend.

Maggie


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From: "Ana Krauchik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) StingUs
Date: 03 Jul 2001 15:18:44 -0300

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Is it just me or there's a problem with the page?

Chau,
Ana=20

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From: "StingUs Karel Van Isacker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (police) StingUs
Date: 03 Jul 2001 20:51:03 +0200

We, again, encountered problems with our host, resulting in the webpage
being offline since early Monday morning. We are currently waiting for
things to be put back online. Unfortunately we depend on the quick response
of the hosting company, where 'quick' has a special meaning... Keep an eye
on the webpage address.

As we are not sure it will be back online before the end of the week, know
that all news will be spread via our weekly newsletter. So if you want to
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Is it just me or there's a problem with the page?

Chau,
Ana


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From: "Giovanni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: R: (police) Ian in VH1
Date: 04 Jul 2001 00:37:27 +0200

Hi everybody from Giovanni!

>By the way, if you haven't read Ian's book, Wild Thing, I highly
>recommend it. There's a lot of info about early 80s bands he managed,
>and it's an interesting read. And there's enough Police content to keep
>us all happy.

I do strongly recommend it too; one of the best book concerning the Police
in their inside life!
Some chapters are about the deepest feelings of how the Police project
started and closed, with some inside stories on the days it all started and
the Shea Stadium concert! A must!

Ciao ciao
        Giovanni



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From: "Fred Berthelot" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) New Cheb Mami Album
Date: 04 Jul 2001 11:47:39 -0400

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The new Cheb Mami album Dallila came out yesterday. It's a great album =
and I encourage you to get!

Sting opens the first track singing "Le Ra=EF c'est Chic." His voice is =
processed at times, but distinguishable to any of us freaks. He also =
yodels like Cheb does on Desert Rose! Interesting tidbit about this =
song: it's produced by Nile Rodgers, of CHIC fame. He's obsessed with =
that word!

Also, the drummer on the album is Omar Hakim. The executive producer is =
Miles Copeland (the album is released on the Mondo Melodia label, Miles' =
version of Peter Gabriel's WOMAD)

You can preview the album here:

http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=3D1833358975/pagename=3D/RP/CDN/=
FIND/album.html/artistid=3DMAMI*CHEB/itemid=3D1392053

Cheers,

Fred

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out yesterday.=20
It's a great album and I encourage you to get!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sting opens the first track singing "Le =
Ra=EF c'est=20
Chic." His voice is processed at times, but distinguishable to any of us =
freaks.=20
He also yodels like Cheb does on Desert Rose! Interesting tidbit about =
this=20
song: it's produced by Nile Rodgers, of CHIC fame. He's obsessed with =
that=20
word!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, the drummer on the album is Omar =
Hakim. The=20
executive producer is Miles Copeland (the album is released on the Mondo =
Melodia=20
label, Miles' version of Peter Gabriel's WOMAD)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You can preview the album =
here:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=3D1833358975/pagename=3D=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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From: Angel C Little <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Reggatta De Blanc remaster
Date: 04 Jul 2001 14:07:35 -0500

On Tue, 03 Jul 2001 07:35:32 -0400 "Timothy Enders" <[e-mail]>
writes:
> I highly reccomend these to anyone who has a DTS capable system. And
> to anyone who is building a home theater, get a DTS capable
> reciever. They cost a little more, but they're worth it. DTS movies
> also sound better than in Dolby Digital. And, be aware, although
> they are both 5.1 channel formats, they're NOT the same thing. The
> sound quality of DTS is better.

Actually.. need to correct you here on something...

DTS = capable up to 6.1 ES, however, at best I've seen is 5.1 ES
on Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition. Wait... I'm wrong.. Cast Away came
with 6.1 ES Matrixed.

Dolby Digital = capable up to 5.1 EX, I've seen quite a few titles with
the EX enhancement like T2: Ultimate Edition, Star Wars: The Phantom
Menance. Both the Japan Laserdisc and the forthcoming DVD, and let
me tell you that you ain't heard this film until you hear it in Dolby
Digital
5.1 EX - blows away anything I've seen in DTS.

Angel C. Little
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From: "Winca" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) gift CD
Date: 04 Jul 2001 21:59:20 +0200

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Hi everybody!

Many greetings from Czech Republic.

I have sad news:

Because I've got just 4 messages to Mr. Sting so I had to cancel that
action.
My idea was to pass that CD to him when he would be in Brno.
Sorry Marjolein, KTY, Maria Elena, Stepanka.................

But never mind!

I decided to continue with that idea - but do not send me any messages.
If you want to participate do send me some of his songs which YOU will sing.

After several years ;-)))) I'll pobably have full CD so then I'll think
about how to pass it.

Have a nice day

Winca
StingMania Team

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Hi=20
everybody!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Many =
greetings=20
from Czech Republic.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">I =
have sad=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS">Because I've got=20
just 4 messages to Mr. Sting so </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">I had to cancel =
that action.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">My =
idea was to=20
pass that CD to him when he would be in Brno. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Sorry =
Marjolein,=20
KTY, Maria Elena, Stepanka.................</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">But =
never mind!=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">I =
decided to=20
continue with that idea - but do not send me any =
messages.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">If =
you want to=20
participate do send me some of his songs which YOU will=20
sing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D590014218-04072001></SPAN><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT =

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">After =
several=20
years ;-)))) I'll pobably have full CD so then I'll think about how to =
pass=20
it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Have =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D590014218-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Winca</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>StingMania Team</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Winca" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) hard cover
Date: 04 Jul 2001 22:02:26 +0200

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Hi again!

Have a look at www.stingmania.com/MachineHead_Sting.mp3

Still you can download that heavy metal cover ;-)

More details about it:

band: Machine Head
from CD: Curning Red
song number 8
ROADRUNNER Records 210287-2

Cheers
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class=3D160073318-04072001><FONT=20
color=3D#008080 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT></TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Have a look at </FONT><A=20
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face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
color=3D#000000>www.stingmania.com/MachineHead_Sting.mp3</FONT></A><FONT =

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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></TT> </DIV>
<DIV><TT><SPAN class=3D160073318-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
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details about it:</FONT></SPAN></TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT><SPAN class=3D160073318-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></TT> </DIV>
<DIV><TT><SPAN class=3D160073318-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
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Machine Head</FONT></SPAN></TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT><SPAN class=3D160073318-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2>from=20
CD: Curning Red </FONT></SPAN></TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT><SPAN class=3D160073318-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
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number 8</FONT></SPAN></TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT><SPAN class=3D160073318-04072001><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ruediger=20Hoeckel?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Sting in Germany
Date: 05 Jul 2001 09:54:38 +0200 (CEST)

Hi folks,

the last days were quite full of new musical experiences
as I attended several shows in Germany (and recorded them, too).

Wiesbaden and Hamburg #1 had the same setlist, good shows but nothing
spectacular. I saw Nitin Sawhney for the first time and was really
enjoying the kind of "rap" parts during his concert.

Enschede was in my point of view a bit frustrating
'cause Sting omitted three songs in contrast to the usual setlist:
No "Mad about you", no "Moon over Bourbon Street", no "Brand new day"
(hey, I thought he is playing on a "Brand New Day tour"...)
- leave alone the fact that "A 1000 years" and "Message in a bottle"
weren't played at none of these three concerts.

Although the mood in Enschede was quite relaxed.
At one point Sting talked about "people moving to the Netherlands"
and he mentioned that Slobodan Milosevic (sp?) has just
been brought to The Hague.

Yes, Karel is right: At the end he said "See you next year!"
(whatever that means...BND tour 2002?? OK I'm just joking...)

Berlin on Tuesday was his final stop in Germany
and I really have to say that this was the best Sting concert in 2001
so far I have attended.
I assume that the venue "Waldbuehne" played its part, too, to
confirm this experience (always a great place to be).

Sting played all those missing songs mentioned above (except for
"Message in a bottle").
Yes, he really did open with "A 1000 years"!!:-)

And this time Chris Botti shared the chorus for "If I ever lose my
faith in you" with Sting -> really nice gesture.
Chris seems to like the song very much.

OK, 2 more shows in Switzerland (Montreux and Zurich) to come.
I guess I won't make it to the London #1 show though...
(I'd rather go to U2 next week...;-)

And to end this mail I'd like you to check out
the touring site of Andy Summers' homepage once again:
http://www.andysummers.com/tour.html

More shows in the US (incl. a stop in Denver -> Koko, watch out!)
and even one gig at the German jazzfestival in Frankfurt/Main
at the end of October (see you there!).

Cheers,
   Rⁿdiger

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Subject: Re: (police) Reggatta De Blanc remaster
Date: 05 Jul 2001 10:29:15 EDT

Now hold on a minute, there...

   That's *movies*.   A completely different (okay, VERY different) form of entertainment than simply *music* in surround sound...
    I guess I can't really see how hearing Sting fret the notes on his bass can be the same as a movie that has sound effects (and voice tracks many times, for that matter) edited in later, as opposed to having everything recorded as is. (at least Sting's bass and such what.  Yes there's stuff put in later, but in a movie, most of what's there is put in during post production.  Sort of contrived.)
   So, I guess I can't see how one could compare DTS / Dolby Digital/ EX in a movie to in music, and only that way. (can somebody set me straight which is what and who is where why when and how? [yikes])

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From: "Todd Wulfmeyer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Police remasters & the inherant sonic prejudice of the digital medium
Date: 05 Jul 2001 13:11:19 -0500

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The DTS sounds interesting indeed but I hesitate to get excited about a =
new technology simply because it exists. Considering the truth about =
CD's is a mere bait and switch by way of the laser clarity "placebo", =
replacing and suppressing the warm & full congruency of a good analog =
recording. The CD placebo market was forced on consumer sheep as a =
marketing hype to increase sales in the declining music industry market =
of the late eighties and it has been successful in fooling our minds =
into perceiving the music as sounding better. I call it aural menthol =
'er Ben gay! is it really cooler???  or just different.
=20
Although the clarity of Stings fretted notes is interesting and a part =
of the recording that is amazing to hear, this detail sounds as if it is =
more a narrowing effect and if it means loosing the richness of the =
whole, is it an improvement? A bit like microscopically looking at the =
type of paint used in the painting and missing the picture. A =
superficially sharpened clarity which is separated and diluted=20

Luckily for those willing to spend a little extra, there is valve/tube =
amplification. People who have purchased tube or as they say in Europe, =
valve, home stereo power amplification overwhelmingly get much better =
representation of their recordings whether CD or vinyl. The fact that =
listeners using Tube amplification report feeling like they are "in the =
room with the music as it is being played" or feel like they can tell =
how big the room is by "the stunning richness of detail".  This may be =
the way to go since it improves all the recordings be it cd, vinyl, dts, =
or shellac 78's for that matter!

This might be freedom for the consumer regardless of the industry =
manipulation, marketing and propagandized format in which consumers are =
virtually coerced into for access to their favorite music.Without any =
loss of any frequencies of any sort. Besides do the Police not have =
enough separation in their endeavors without this sort of aggravation. =
:)

 I wonder if anyone gets the feeling that people looking to hear more =
spatial separation of the music of the Police might be vicariously =
trying to satiate their personal preference towards a given particular =
member of the band with this, may I say, Animosity, exercised through =
the inherent prejudice of digital signals.

tongue firmly planted in cheek    =20

Some of you may say that is not fair and
maybe it is nit picky. Maybe I should just bury my head in the sand and =
buy the consumer rehash to support a corrupt music industry like a good =
little ostrich but why do we????=20
 =20
Apologies if this rant is offensive to any one on the list, just trying =
to find the truth.=20

As I joyfully and ironically listen to my unmastered CD version of Ghost =
In The Machine ! and no I don't work for some stereo manufacturer!

Todd

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hesitate to=20
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Considering the truth about CD's is a mere bait and =
switch by way=20
of the laser clarity "placebo", replacing and suppressing the warm & =

full congruency of a good analog recording. The CD placebo =
market was=20
forced on consumer sheep as a marketing hype to increase sales in =
the=20
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been=20
successful in fooling our minds into perceiving the music as sounding =
better. I=20
call it aural menthol 'er Ben gay! is it really cooler???  or =
just=20
different.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Although the clarity of Stings fretted =
notes is=20
interesting and a part of the recording that is amazing to hear, =
this=20
detail sounds as if it is more a narrowing effect and if it =
means=20
loosing the richness of the whole, is it an improvement? A bit like=20
microscopically looking at the type of paint used in the=20
painting and missing the picture. A superficially sharpened=20
clarity which is separated and diluted </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Luckily for those willing to spend a =
little=20
extra, there is valve/tube amplification. People who have purchased =
tube or=20
as they say in Europe, valve, home stereo power amplification=20
overwhelmingly get much better representation of their recordings =
whether=20
CD or vinyl. The fact that listeners using Tube amplification =
report=20
feeling like they are "in the room with the music as it is being played" =
or feel=20
like they can tell how big the room is by "the stunning=20
richness of detail".  This may be the way to go =
s<FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>ince it improves all the recordings =
be it cd, vinyl,=20
dts, or shellac 78's for that matter!</FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>This might be =
freedom for the=20
consumer regardless of the industry manipulation, marketing=20
and propagandized format in which consumers =
are virtually=20
coerced into for access to their favorite music.W</FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>ithout any loss of any frequencies of any =
sort. Besides=20
do the Police not have enough separation in their =
endeavors=20
without this sort of aggravation. :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I wonder if anyone gets the =
feeling that=20
people looking to hear more spatial separation of the music of the =
Police might=20
be vicariously trying to satiate their personal preference towards =
a given=20
particular member of the band with this, may I say, Animosity,=20
exercised through the inherent prejudice of digital=20
signals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tongue firmly planted in=20
cheek     </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some of you may say that is not =
fair and
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>maybe it is nit picky. Maybe I should =
just bury my=20
head in the sand and buy the consumer rehash to support a =
corrupt=20
music industry like a good little ostrich but why do=20
we???? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>  </FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Apologies if this rant is =
offensive to any one=20
on the list, just trying to find the truth. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I joyfully and =
ironically listen to my=20
unmastered CD version of Ghost In The Machine ! and no I =
don't=20
work for some stereo manufacturer!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Todd</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Subject: Re: (police) Police remasters & the inherant sonic prejudice of the digital medium
Date: 05 Jul 2001 14:46:08 EDT

    I'd heard that tube amplification could be/is much better than the average "speaker" we have today....  but when it comes right down to it, vinyl degrades *a lot* when it is played over and over.  Granted, yes, the first few times a new record is played, it has better quality than a CD, but after that I'm not thinking so.  Of course, correct me if I'm wrong.  (this discussion is neat!)
    On the other hand... I agree that the "separation" idea could certainly be an issue.  However, here's the way I understand sound quality: (I guess to clarify or something?  I dunno.  Maybe just make myself look ignorant if I get it wrong :o)  )

      Sound is a simple concept in physics (for those that don't know.  Not trying to insult anyone's intelligence)  It is the vibration of molecules/"compressions" of the medium through which it travels (cuz it's energy) (which is why sound travels so much better under water, and even better through metal, because the molecules are closer together and less energy is lost when they all "bump together")      Anyway, the reason that live music is so "rich" is because the difference between the louds and softs is so much bigger than recorded.  More importantly though, the ability of the speaker to reproduce that sound is typically the largest barrier.  I've seen some speakers that cost ungodly amounts of money which reproduce the sound next to perfectly (they look like tubas, but cost a lot more)  btw,  I'm beginning to *really* approach some unknown territory on this, so please, please nab me up where I stumble in my knowledge here.
     So, does it come down to whether analog or digital recording techniques are better, or whether it's in the reproduction of the sound?
     So, is there anything *definitive* which can prove (like an article detailing the physics of it and such) whether analog or digital is more accurate?

     I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, here.  This discussion is very intriguing to me, and I'd love to find out if, perhaps, the unmastered version could be better.  Although, I don't see how, since the music that went on the CD had to be digitally encoded in order to go on the CD (in 20 bits, as opposed to the 24 bits that make up the remastered, but according to Todd this is a mere technicality.  oh, and btw, Todd, I could very easily believe that a lot of this IS just music industry hype.  Indeed, it is a *very* corrupt industry in many ways, so I guess some more info is just needed)   So, maybe we go back to vinyl?
     Well, regardless, I still can't seem to get the opening instrumentals on "Don't Stand So Close To Me" out of my head.  Yike.

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From: Clarissa Aykroyd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Police remasters & the inherant sonic prejudice of the
Date: 05 Jul 2001 12:09:20 -0700

Excuse me for adding nothing constructive to this discussion, but am I
the only one who wonders why guys are fascinated with things like this
and think that sound quality is one of the most important things there
is, and females don't seem to be interested at all? I have always
wondered.

Clarissa

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Date: 05 Jul 2001 15:13:43 EDT


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Oh, and btw, another thing:
    Higher frequencies are noticed better byt he human ear (they have more energy, I think.... cuz the wavelength is longer (???eek???)  )   So, in order to have people respopnd better to the music, perhaps  these higher frequencies are just "turned up" more on the remasters, in order to make it sound "clearer"/"more defined".
    To some, this might seem better.  To others, they might prefer a sound that is fuller.  So, perhaps, what we're after is a preference of the "way it really sounds" to "doctored but, in the mind of the person who remasters it, sounds even better".
   I like this analog vs digital thingie tho.

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I dunno....
    speaking as a guy, I'm a huge fan of live music.  It just blows me away completely.
    Being able to experience, for instance, The POlice (especially) live (little chance, was born in 1979, so I grew up w/ it on the radio, but never saw them) would be amazing...

     Maybe it's the whole "analytical" thing that more guys are into...  and this is gonna sound off base (of course, so was that last comment) but, I get the feeling that guys like to pay attention to details like that a lot more...   ??? (ducking for cover)
     I would think more women would be interested in that...     for me, I get more emotional (this is just me, mind you) over music that is clearer and better sounding (I'm positively a MANIAC/emotional hurricane at concerts... you couldn't get me to sit down, stop singing/cheering, or stop grinning like an absolute fool unless you had a couple horse tranquilizers or a gun)
     Maybe it's just that I'm a musician (among other things).  I played piano for ten years, alto sax for eight, took second spot in my high school music theory class (music dept. was pretty high up nationally), learned some percussion, and have played bass for two and a half years now, in addition to listening to records/being a musical nutroll since my parents and I can remember.   I don't know.
    Maybe it just has to do with some male instinct, like who has the bigger, well, you know :o).


     I have no clue.

                 Again, ducking,
                     -Dave[Man in a Suitcase]




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From: "Morris, Donald T." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Jeremiah Blues Question
Date: 05 Jul 2001 15:35:26 -0400

I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I'll ask it again:  Was
there ever plans for a Jeremiah Blues Part 2?  I was enjoying part 1 live
and often wondered what Sting was thinking when he made the song.  Perhaps
he did do a part 2, and it didn't meet his standards.

Thanks in advance,
Don in Sunny Florida

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Subject: Re: (police) Jeremiah Blues Question
Date: 05 Jul 2001 17:02:07 EDT

maybe it's like "History of the World Part 1"
   No intention of making a sequel or anything, just putting it there for  the hell of it ??



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From: "Ulrica & Patrik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: SV: (police) Jeremiah Blues Question
Date: 06 Jul 2001 11:06:46 +0200

Very strange that you should ask this question just today. You know there=
's
a new section at www.sting.com named "Ask a question?" where you can ask
Sting questions and hopefully he'll reply. I just wrote in the day before
yesterday and asked when there will be a "Jeremiah Blues part II". Haven'=
t
got a reply yet (not sure I ever will) but check out the web page and
hopefully we'll get a good answer to this question from the man himself...

Cheers,
Patrik

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I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I'll ask it again:  Was
there ever plans for a Jeremiah Blues Part 2?  I was enjoying part 1 live
and often wondered what Sting was thinking when he made the song.  Perhap=
s
he did do a part 2, and it didn't meet his standards.

Thanks in advance,
Don in Sunny Florida

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Subject: (police) Oysterhead
Date: 06 Jul 2001 13:39:38 +0200 (CEST)

Hi folks,
taken from a Primus mailing list:

OYSTERHEAD.COM PHASE 1

The Jolly staff at Zoltron.com has done it again.  Oysterhead.com
Phase 1 is live with album and tour information coming soon.  The
tour will be kicking off in late October, so stay tuned for all the
dirty details.

      Oysterhead
      http://www.oysterhead.com

Cheers,
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From: [e-mail] (White, Maggie)
Subject: (police) concertvideoman
Date: 06 Jul 2001 09:44:07 -0700

Hey, just some info -

I noticed that a guy named concertvideoman posted a note to Sting Stuff
that he has videos for trade. I know many of us are on both xmission and
Sting Stuff, so I thought I would post a warning here.

Concertvideoman has a terrible reputation on a couple of U2 lists that
I'm on. And when people call him on his bad rep, he writes lengthy,
defensive justifications. He also spams the U2 list incessantly. On
Monday, he sent 70+ messages. This is why I'm not posting this to Sting
Stuff. I don't want to start the flame war that consumed the U2 list
earlier this week.

Just be warned. If you've had a good deal with him, fine. But I have not
heard one single thing good about him. And he tends to be a real jerk
when he posts.

Maggie


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From: "Michele Piumini" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Sting live in Milan
Date: 07 Jul 2001 11:58:55 +0200

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Hi everyone,
last night's gig was the first one I saw in front row since the Soul =
Cages tour, and the first one I saw with the friends from the Illegal =
Bees fan club, so it was very special to me.
A VH1 crew was there, and while I was queueing to enter they asked me if =
I wanted to be interviewed in English for them. I've never been =
interviewed in my life, but I said OK, so you people in the USA watch =
out for me! I'm the bearded guy who talks about how Sting influenced his =
life, how many Sting gigs he saw, and so on. I also spoke about the =
novel that my dad dedicated to Sting many years ago, because he knew =
Sting was my favourite artist.
Jeff Beck and his band did a short performance before Sting's gig, and =
while they were playing I saw Dominic taking pictures of the audience =
from the back of the stage and an open-mouthed Kipper sitting and =
watching Beck. I can't tell if he was keeping his mouth open because of =
the sultry weather or out of amazement, but he was very funny.
Sting came on stage with the weirdest gig-uniform I've ever seen him =
play in: he wore Lennon-style round glasses and a shirt full of flowers =
and purple stripes. As many of you noticed, the band seems much more =
relaxed and self-confident than it was at the beginning of the tour: a =
lot of joking, moving across the stage and laughing at each other. Plus, =
it was great fun to see them fighting against the mosquitos that filled =
the place. As to the setlist, he cut Tomorrow We'll See, Brand New Day =
and Message in a Bottle, but he threw in an unexpected All This Time.
It was a great gig, most of the songs had new arrengements and I was =
especially thrilled by the new "funky" bass line in Set Them Free.
I want to thank Lydia, Giovanni, Achille and all the lovely people I met =
at the gig.
Ciao!
Michele

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From: Jason Sheldon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SV: (police) Jeremiah Blues Question
Date: 07 Jul 2001 11:15:19 +0100

I think "After the Rain has Fallen" could be subtitled Jeremiah Blues Part
2...

That's my opinion anyway... :)

J.



At 10:06 06/07/2001, Ulrica & Patrik wrote:
>Very strange that you should ask this question just today. You know there's
>a new section at www.sting.com named "Ask a question?" where you can ask
>Sting questions and hopefully he'll reply. I just wrote in the day before
>yesterday and asked when there will be a "Jeremiah Blues part II". Haven't
>got a reply yet (not sure I ever will) but check out the web page and
>hopefully we'll get a good answer to this question from the man himself...
>
>Cheers,
>Patrik


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From: "Giovanni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Sting in Milano
Date: 07 Jul 2001 14:48:07 +0200

Hi everybody from Giovanni in Milano, Italy!
As you may have already read from Michele, the concert in Milano was great
(as usual in Milan!!!!!!).
I loved some of the new basslines of many tracks, and he is more and more
concentrated in technical stuff on his bass; I have noticed new
'finger-techniques' while jamming in songs like 'Roxanne' or 'When The World
Is Running Down, You Make The Best Of What's Still Around'.
Jeff Beck was great! I do recommend everybody to listen and see the guitar
'hero' opening for Sting; many people didn't know him...a legend like him!
Anyway, back to Sting!
Voice was great and they did a joke to Chris Botti: Sting called him to sing
the line of 'If I Ever Lose My Faith In You' and while singing it, they all
stopped playing, living his voice alone.....he was so imbarassed that he
started laughing and suddenly got away from the centre of the stage;
everybody was laughng as well, starting from the band to the technicians! He
kept on laughing for a long time...I was inside the venue since the morning
but had no chance to see the rehearsals as he didn't rehearse.....
Later I had to get my place in the front row and had no chance to move from
there to go to backstage! The FRONT ROW IS THE FRONT ROW! THIS IS THE LAW!
You will see me at VH1 fanclub....
Ciao ciao
        Giovanni




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Subject: Re: (police) Sting in Milano
Date: 07 Jul 2001 14:59:38

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From: "Sofφa Casta±o" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Jeremiah Blues Question
Date: 07 Jul 2001 19:59:20



>maybe it's like "History of the World Part 1"
>    No intention of making a sequel or anything, just putting it there for
>the hell of it ??
>
>
Maybe it's kind of late, but I still want to say this. I agree with Dave,
it's a much better idea making a "Part 1" without a sequel than making two
songs with the same name (considering Police had already done that).
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From: "Malav Trivedi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Stewart Stuff
Date: 07 Jul 2001 21:50:50 -0400


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m nuts get this, He is playing double bass on a few tracks."

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se (the drummer from the Foo Fighters) and in this one room he was showin=
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From: amaryll <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) SB song on website
Date: 08 Jul 2001 00:07:11 -0400

hi- this is for all of the Santa's Boyfriend fans out there- i have just put
up and mp3 of the song WAR from their CD on my website- i havent figured out
how to put up a shortened version yet, so it is the whole song- and it is
1.4 MB so it takes a few minutes to download- but a lot of people have been
requesting this so if you want to hear it, check it out while it is still
up!

http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/cavendish/


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From: "Martin Vauchel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) rome review
Date: 08 Jul 2001 11:25:57 +0200

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Hi

Can anyone post a serious review from Rome's gig last night..???
everyday is getting us closer to Montreux, and every details is =
important now!!! ;-)

Take care
Martin

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Off Topic - New York guitar stores
Date: 08 Jul 2001 08:37:12 EDT

Hi everyone,

I'll be undertaking my first ever trip to New York next month (I live in
England - don't be confused by the AOL address) and as well as all the
sight-seeing I plan to do, I was also hoping to check out some guitar stores
while I am there (being an absolute guitar nutcase).

I was hoping there might be someone on the list who can give me some
information about where to find any really great guitar stores in Manhattan.
I'm taking about BIG places, full to bursting with guitars. The kind of
places I could walk into and think I'd died and gone to heaven. Can anyone
out there recommend any?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in advance.

Ian

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From: Richard Ryder <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Sting appears in VH1 B.I.G. BTM
Date: 08 Jul 2001 09:31:27 -0700 (PDT)

(Ha! I DARE you to fit another acronym in the subject!)

Anyway, If anyone didn't see the performance of "I'll be Missing You"
from a few years back on the mtv music awards, quite a bit of it is
(including sting) is shown during VH1's "Notorious B.I.G." Behind the
Music Special.

It was on this morning and it will be on again at 9:00PM EST tonight.
Sting doesn't show up til the last 15 minutes or so.

Rich.

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From: Van Isacker Karel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Sad news
Date: 09 Jul 2001 10:12:59 +0100

To all who may concern:

Stingchronicity is no longer it seems, and it seems we are the cause of
this.

Although we have nothing to do with it, the text on their website seems to
imply we have been sending hate-mail etc. and all that to them.
Furthermore, a text on the Sting.com forum -NOT posted by us- was an extra
reason for them to attack us again and to imply further negative news about
us.

This is the text on the Stingchronicity website: "The final straw has been
the childishness and vindictiveness displayed this year by the Stingus.com
site. This culminated a couple of days ago when they made ludicrous claims
that we had plagiarised their site. Yes, that we had plagiarised their site!
They have even backed up their false claim by threatening us through a third
party with legal action. To this moment, their webmaster is continuing to
tell lies about us on open forums claiming that we are 'attacking' him. Is
this anyway for fans to behave to each other? Their claim would be laughable
were it not so utterly pathetic. We realise that we should be above such
matters, but frankly, we can no longer be bothered."

I will not comment on this message as the people involved know the real
reason and the truth about all this.  We regret that their attitude resulted
in us receiving numerous hate mail (100s) since this morning but we will
nevertheless continue giving all the news and we also thank all those that
sent supporting messages as well since yesterday night.

Groetjes, Cheers,
Karel
[e-mail]
Weekly newsletter: [e-mail]
Buy your Sting CD's/DVD's/VIDEOS/TAPES/BOOKS via www.stingus.com and enjoy
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From: "Morris, Donald T." <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (police) Sad news
Date: 09 Jul 2001 10:11:36 -0400

This is truly sad news.  Stingchronicity was the first site I found back in
'97 that had up to the minute information on Sting, to include wonderful
background information on songs, rare items, as well as a comprehensive
listing of all known boots, which was useful in my early days of collecting.
Not to mention their connections to Outlandos, which gave me all the scoop
on BND tour dates.  I must have about 100,000 of their 12.5 million site
hits.

I would like to express my sincere thanks to Dave and Wendy for their
wonderful site, and hope that maybe one day in the future that they will
decide to reopen the site.  Hell, make it a members only site, I'd pay a few
dollars/pounds a year for that service.

There is no room in the world to bash Sting sites, large or small.  If you
are a true fan, I hope you share my feelings of remorse for a true 5-star
Sting site.

Thanks,
Don in Sunny Florida

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From: "Michele Petri" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Re: [stingus] Sad news
Date: 09 Jul 2001 10:15:43 -0400


All I have to say Is     "what A Drag "  especially  considering  the fact
that stings music brings so much  joy & happiness  .....  the amount of
Hate & Delusion between certain fans  is                         " A Shame "














>From: Van Isacker Karel <[e-mail]>
>To: "'[e-mail]'" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: [stingus] Sad news
>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:11:40 +0100
>
>To all who may concern:
>
>Stingchronicity is no longer it seems, and it seems we are the cause of
>this.
>
>Although we have nothing to do with it, the text on their website seems to
>imply we have been sending hate-mail etc. and all that to them.
>Furthermore, a text on the Sting.com forum -NOT posted by us- was an extra
>reason for them to attack us again and to imply further negative news about
>us.
>
>This is the text: "The final straw has been the childishness and
>vindictiveness displayed this year by the Stingus.com site. This culminated
>a couple of days ago when they made ludicrous claims that we had
>plagiarised
>their site. Yes, that we had plagiarised their site! They have even backed
>up their false claim by threatening us through a third party with legal
>action. To this moment, their webmaster is continuing to tell lies about us
>on open forums claiming that we are 'attacking' him. Is this anyway for
>fans
>to behave to each other? Their claim would be laughable were it not so
>utterly pathetic. We realise that we should be above such matters, but
>frankly, we can no longer be bothered."
>
>I will not comment on this message as teh peopel involved know the real
>reason and the truth about all this.  We regret that their attitude
>resulted
>in us receiving numerous hate mail (100s) since this morning but we will
>nevertheless continue giving all the news and we also thank all those that
>sent supporting messages as well since yesterday night.
>
>Groetjes, Cheers,
>Karel
>[e-mail]
>Weekly newsletter: [e-mail]
>Buy your Sting CD's/DVD's/VIDEOS/TAPES/BOOKS via www.stingus.com and enjoy
>the free shipping in the EC!

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From: amaryll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Sad news
Date: 09 Jul 2001 10:32:01 -0400

this is so unbelievable, i hope they reconsider


on 7/9/01 10:11 AM, Morris, Donald T. at [e-mail] wrote:

> This is truly sad news.  Stingchronicity was the first site I found back in
> '97 that had up to the minute information on Sting, to include wonderful
> background information on songs, rare items, as well as a comprehensive
> listing of all known boots, which was useful in my early days of collecting.
> Not to mention their connections to Outlandos, which gave me all the scoop
> on BND tour dates.  I must have about 100,000 of their 12.5 million site
> hits.
>
> I would like to express my sincere thanks to Dave and Wendy for their
> wonderful site, and hope that maybe one day in the future that they will
> decide to reopen the site.  Hell, make it a members only site, I'd pay a few
> dollars/pounds a year for that service.
>
> There is no room in the world to bash Sting sites, large or small.  If you
> are a true fan, I hope you share my feelings of remorse for a true 5-star
> Sting site.
>
> Thanks,
> Don in Sunny Florida
>
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From: Clarissa Aykroyd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Sad news
Date: 09 Jul 2001 13:45:24 -0700

Oh no. That sucks. Stingchronicity is the best fan music website on the
Net, that I've seen. I really hope things work out to open it again.
Where will I read my Sting news, reviews, etc. now? I guess this list
will have to work a little harder...

Clarissa

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Subject: (police) Test (sorry!)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 00:38:53 +0200

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Subject: (police) James Norman
Date: 10 Jul 2001 01:02:00

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Stingcronicity
Date: 09 Jul 2001 21:46:14 EDT


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That was the best Sting web site, and Wendy and Dave were the nicest people.
I'm so sad that they pulled the web site! They worked directly with outlandos
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Subject: Re: (police) Stingcronicity
Date: 09 Jul 2001 21:52:24 EDT


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I've been out of touch for awhile, due to illness, but did anyone know this
was coming or was it a complete surprise?  I don't understand completely what
happened but I guess everyone may be reluctant to discuss it?  This is so sad.

Teresa


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> That was the best Sting web site, and Wendy and Dave were the nicest people.
> I'm so sad that they pulled the web site! They worked directly with
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<BR>
<BR>Teresa
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From: "Jane Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Stingchronicity
Date: 09 Jul 2001 22:13:23 -0400

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This is terrible!  We have no leader (as fans).  What a bloody shame.  I =
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Come back D & W!!!

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From: Van Isacker Karel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Spam, Hate mail, attachements, etc.
Date: 10 Jul 2001 09:57:06 +0100

You name it and we got it the last 24 hours.

After the false allegations on the Stingchronicity website yesterday
forenoon, we have put our statement on StingUs.com yesterday evening.  As
some people from this list seem to know sh*t about the whole thing, here we
post it again:

Www.stingchronicty.co.uk posted a message on their website concerning the
Stingus-website and me in particular.  This was the statement:


Stingchronicity is now closed.
Whilst the site has been great fun over the last five years, has been
visited over 1,000,000 times with over 12,500,000 page downloads, this year
it has turned from being fun to being a chore. For over six months now we
have been receiving e-mails with infected attachments (including
pornographic e-mail attachments) which at their peak reached eight a day,
although they are currently running at about eight a week. We changed our
e-mail address and then they started being routed to us through our website,
which suggests... well draw your own conclusions. Add to these the obscene
messages left in our guestbook (we didn't bother publishing them) and we
hope you'll appreciate why we really no longer need this hassle. Whoever has
been behind this sustained - campaign seems the only word to use - has won.
The final straw has been the childishness and vindictiveness displayed this
year by the Stingus.com site. This culminated a couple of days ago when they
made ludicrous claims that we had plagiarised their site. Yes, that we had
plagiarised their site! They have even backed up their false claim by
threatening us through a third party with legal action. To this moment,
their webmaster is continuing to tell lies about us on open forums claiming
that we are 'attacking' him. Is this anyway for fans to behave to each
other? Their claim would be laughable were it not so utterly pathetic. We
realise that we should be above such matters, but frankly, we can no longer
be bothered.
So to everyone that has contributed to the Stingchronicity site over the
last five years with material, photos, tickets, translations, interviews,
reviews and comments we'd like to say a very big thank you to you all. To
the million visitors, we say sorry for closing the site but hope you
appreciate why we've made this decision. Stingchronicity was your site -
it's aim was to always give fans something new to read or view on a regular
basis, and we hope the site achieved that.


We therefore make this statement:
- we did NOT post the initial message on the Sting.com forum;
- we immediately denied that we did the posting and checked if this was done
by a third known party ( which it was NOT);
- we then contacted Dave Sandford (from www.sting.com) to remove the message
(which he DID);
- we did NOT send nor spread any hate mail, pornographic material, viruses
or guestbookmessages (although implied by Stingchronicity).

There has always seemed to be some sort of rivalry between the two websites,
but I would never do any of the things that I have been accused of.  We
regret that this "mud campaign" has been started up by someone (who we don't
know), but those among you who know me are very well aware I would never
post such messages on any forum.
Because of the long queue of hate-mail/messages, etc. the guestbook had also
been closed down, but is now open again.

Furthermore -as some implied on mailingslists, newslists, forums,
newsgroups, etc.- we never undertook any legal actions towards the
maintainers of Stingchronicity.

Maybe for those who started it up, it is/was big fun, but we don't find it
funny at all!  For those who know who i am, who met and spoke with me, they
can testify that it would never come into my mind to start this childish
"desert storm" against someone.

There will be no more posting about this by me.  I will not react to any
messages on the Sting.com forum and I will not react to any hate/spam/...
mail that is sent to us.

As we are unsure if we will continue the website after this "event", we
kindly invite you to join the weekly newsletter to stay updated.  You can
join by sending a mail to [e-mail].

Kind regards,
Karel Van Isacker
www.stingus.com

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From: Van Isacker Karel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Spam, Hate mail, attachements, etc.
Date: 10 Jul 2001 10:06:37 +0100

You name it and we got it the last 24 hours.

After the false allegations on the Stingchronicity website yesterday
forenoon, we have put our statement on StingUs.com yesterday evening.  As
some people from this list seem to know sh*t about the whole thing, here we
post it again:

Www.stingchronicty.co.uk posted a message on their website concerning the
Stingus-website and me in particular.  This was the statement:


Stingchronicity is now closed.
Whilst the site has been great fun over the last five years, has been
visited over 1,000,000 times with over 12,500,000 page downloads, this year
it has turned from being fun to being a chore. For over six months now we
have been receiving e-mails with infected attachments (including
pornographic e-mail attachments) which at their peak reached eight a day,
although they are currently running at about eight a week. We changed our
e-mail address and then they started being routed to us through our website,
which suggests... well draw your own conclusions. Add to these the obscene
messages left in our guestbook (we didn't bother publishing them) and we
hope you'll appreciate why we really no longer need this hassle. Whoever has
been behind this sustained - campaign seems the only word to use - has won.
The final straw has been the childishness and vindictiveness displayed this
year by the Stingus.com site. This culminated a couple of days ago when they
made ludicrous claims that we had plagiarised their site. Yes, that we had
plagiarised their site! They have even backed up their false claim by
threatening us through a third party with legal action. To this moment,
their webmaster is continuing to tell lies about us on open forums claiming
that we are 'attacking' him. Is this anyway for fans to behave to each
other? Their claim would be laughable were it not so utterly pathetic. We
realise that we should be above such matters, but frankly, we can no longer
be bothered.
So to everyone that has contributed to the Stingchronicity site over the
last five years with material, photos, tickets, translations, interviews,
reviews and comments we'd like to say a very big thank you to you all. To
the million visitors, we say sorry for closing the site but hope you
appreciate why we've made this decision. Stingchronicity was your site -
it's aim was to always give fans something new to read or view on a regular
basis, and we hope the site achieved that.


We therefore make this statement:
- we did NOT post the initial message on the Sting.com forum;
- we immediately denied that we did the posting and checked if this was done
by a third known party ( which it was NOT);
- we then contacted Dave Sandford (from www.sting.com) to remove the message
(which he DID);
- we did NOT send nor spread any hate mail, pornographic material, viruses
or guestbookmessages (although implied by Stingchronicity).

There has always seemed to be some sort of rivalry between the two websites,
but I would never do any of the things that I have been accused of.  We
regret that this "mud campaign" has been started up by someone (who we don't
know), but those among you who know me are very well aware I would never
post such messages on any forum.
Because of the long queue of hate-mail/messages, etc. the guestbook had also
been closed down, but is now open again.

Furthermore -as some implied on mailingslists, newslists, forums,
newsgroups, etc.- we never undertook any legal actions towards the
maintainers of Stingchronicity.

Maybe for those who started it up, it is/was big fun, but we don't find it
funny at all!  For those who know who i am, who met and spoke with me, they
can testify that it would never come into my mind to start this childish
"desert storm" against someone.

There will be no more posting about this by me.  I will not react to any
messages on the Sting.com forum and I will not react to any hate/spam/...
mail that is sent to us.

As we are unsure if we will continue the website after this "event", we
kindly invite you to join the weekly newsletter to stay updated.  You can
join by sending a mail to [e-mail].

Kind regards,
Karel Van Isacker
www.stingus.com

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From: "Mate Attila" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Stingchronicity Come Back! campaign
Date: 10 Jul 2001 10:22:55 +0200

Webmasters!

There are a lot of fans who want Stingchronicity to come back,
so this campaign was started. If you want to support this campaign,
too, put this logo with a link to the Stingchronicity Homepage
on your website!
http://stingbns.tripod.com/stingoo/stback.jpg

Stingchronicity Come Back!
http://www.stingchronicity.co.uk

Check out this page:
http://www.stingoo.com

regards,
Attis
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From: the hounds of winter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) stingus and shut down of stingchronicity
Date: 10 Jul 2001 10:29:32 +0200

Hi all

I'm forced to tell the list about this...
I LOVED the STingchronicyty site as most of us did... I'm sad too it's closed.
BUT...

I personnally know Karel Van Isacker for soemthing like 3 years now and I can
swear on my mother (which i love very much by the way.. :-)) That he CAN'T,
I mean
CAN'T be responsible for any of the attacks Dave & Wendy stated in their
farewell message
on their homepage.
The Childish thing is begenning now. PLEASE don't kill everything about the
sting internet community
because of this. Stingchronicity was not the UNIQUE pilier in that
community and we can still have GREAT
fun with plenty of other sites, mailing lists, newsgroups and now newletter!!!

My opinion is that Stingus received the same threat as D&W and they disn't
bother accuse STingchronicity in public for this.
Stingus is an informative website, with exclusive infos. Did
Stingchronicity felt attacked on their aim??? Hope not
I heard several times from their emails that D&W loved this site or this
site, because it was a new idea, original or something that didn't exists
on their site.
That doesn't give them copyrights on sting informations websites,
furthermore when someone have something more to bring to the community as
StingUs have

Sorry for the approximative language, but I'm french, and I'm a bit angry
to see my friend Karel attacked this way, as he is a VERY nice guy...

Therefore, if Dave & Wendy finally juge that they want to re-open
Stingchronicity, I'll be glad...
There is enough space on the web for 1000's of sting sites!!!!

Martin


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From: "Anne Robinson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) stingus and shut down of stingchronicity
Date: 10 Jul 2001 10:12:19 -0400


Very well said Martin.  While I am deeply saddened over the loss of
Stingchronicity and hope with all my heart that Dave and Wendy reconsider,
I too know Karel to be a kind, considerate, generous, giving man and I just
do not believe he would be a party to these actions of which he is accused.
I absolutely hate what is going on in our community and am praying that it
stops before more damage is done.  The price we are all paying for
someone's reprehensible behavior continues to skyrocket.....we have already
lost our beloved Stingchronicity, Karel is now considering closing
Stingus.......please let's close ranks and each do what we can to end this
now.

Anne




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                    07/10/01 04:29 AM
                    Please respond to the
                    hounds of winter






Hi all

I'm forced to tell the list about this...
I LOVED the STingchronicyty site as most of us did... I'm sad too it's
closed.
BUT...

I personnally know Karel Van Isacker for soemthing like 3 years now and I
can
swear on my mother (which i love very much by the way.. :-)) That he CAN'T,

I mean
CAN'T be responsible for any of the attacks Dave & Wendy stated in their
farewell message
on their homepage.
The Childish thing is begenning now. PLEASE don't kill everything about the

sting internet community
because of this. Stingchronicity was not the UNIQUE pilier in that
community and we can still have GREAT
fun with plenty of other sites, mailing lists, newsgroups and now
newletter!!!

My opinion is that Stingus received the same threat as D&W and they disn't
bother accuse STingchronicity in public for this.
Stingus is an informative website, with exclusive infos. Did
Stingchronicity felt attacked on their aim??? Hope not
I heard several times from their emails that D&W loved this site or this
site, because it was a new idea, original or something that didn't exists
on their site.
That doesn't give them copyrights on sting informations websites,
furthermore when someone have something more to bring to the community as
StingUs have

Sorry for the approximative language, but I'm french, and I'm a bit angry
to see my friend Karel attacked this way, as he is a VERY nice guy...

Therefore, if Dave & Wendy finally juge that they want to re-open
Stingchronicity, I'll be glad...
There is enough space on the web for 1000's of sting sites!!!!

Martin


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From: "Teri Kronberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Stingcronicity
Date: 10 Jul 2001 22:26:48 +0800

[e-mail] wrote:
Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:46:14 EDT

>I'm so sad that they pulled the web site! They
>worked directly with outlandos and had sooo much
>good information. It really is too bad.

And selfish, in my opinion, to shut down the site.
I think the beginning of the end was when they
decided to unsub from this list.  I have nothing
at all against D&W and have enjoyed their site for
years.  However, I can't understand how the insults
of a few should outway the compliments of many.

However, I guess, if it was a chore....

Teri
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From: "Steerpike" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) stingus and shut down of stingchronicity
Date: 10 Jul 2001 22:16:34 +0200

To anybody that may be interested or concerned from a long time fan and
member of this newsgroup:

Stingchronicity has been (to me at least) one of if not the FIRST official
web site before the creation of the REAL ONE (Sting.com). It served all us
fans well and we all should be grateful for the hard work that has been done
not to mention that we will really lose SOMETHING if the true intent of D&W
is to close it down. I'm terribly sorry about this and no other poor chap
will ever replace D&W genuine efforts to bring the fans community such a
valuable and high quality source of info.

BUT

I also know Karel (alas not personally) to be one of the most valuable
members of our list. His efforts too are noteworthy ant to me eqally
priceless confronted to D&W's.

So Karel don't be deceived. Some of us really know WHO you are and will
always support you no matter what happens.

Guys, don't let US fans just depend on stupid commercial info sources like,
say, COMPAQ related sites.

 I hope nobody will get offensed by this. Just my 1+1 cents.

 YO!

 Maux from Italy




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "the hounds of winter" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:29 AM
> Subject: (police) stingus and shut down of stingchronicity
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm forced to tell the list about this...
> > I LOVED the STingchronicyty site as most of us did... I'm sad too it's
> closed.
> > BUT...
> >
> > I personnally know Karel Van Isacker for soemthing like 3 years now and
I
> can
> > swear on my mother (which i love very much by the way.. :-)) That he
> CAN'T,
> > I mean
> > CAN'T be responsible for any of the attacks Dave & Wendy stated in their
> > farewell message
> > on their homepage.
> > The Childish thing is begenning now. PLEASE don't kill everything about
> the
> > sting internet community
> > because of this. Stingchronicity was not the UNIQUE pilier in that
> > community and we can still have GREAT
> > fun with plenty of other sites, mailing lists, newsgroups and now
> newletter!!!
> >
> > My opinion is that Stingus received the same threat as D&W and they
disn't
> > bother accuse STingchronicity in public for this.
> > Stingus is an informative website, with exclusive infos. Did
> > Stingchronicity felt attacked on their aim??? Hope not
> > I heard several times from their emails that D&W loved this site or this
> > site, because it was a new idea, original or something that didn't
exists
> > on their site.
> > That doesn't give them copyrights on sting informations websites,
> > furthermore when someone have something more to bring to the community
as
> > StingUs have
> >
> > Sorry for the approximative language, but I'm french, and I'm a bit
angry
> > to see my friend Karel attacked this way, as he is a VERY nice guy...
> >
> > Therefore, if Dave & Wendy finally juge that they want to re-open
> > Stingchronicity, I'll be glad...
> > There is enough space on the web for 1000's of sting sites!!!!
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>
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From: "Ross Viner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) StingUS vs. Stingchronicity???????
Date: 10 Jul 2001 19:34:51 -0700



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Teri Kronberg
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (police) Stingcronicity

> And selfish, in my opinion, to shut down the site.
> I think the beginning of the end was when they
> decided to unsub from this list.  I have nothing
> at all against D&W and have enjoyed their site for
> years.  However, I can't understand how the insults
> of a few should outway the compliments of many.

Exactly my thoughts too Teri.
Considering there has been a 'feud' or competition between the two parties
previously, I wonder if Stingchronicty shut down as some sort of ploy, to
get Karel, or StingUs attacked, by blaming him (StingUs or Karel) for the
attacks they had received. I hope I'm wrong.

Anybody who has known Karel (or not), should read into such accusations with
a healthy dose of skepticism.
Stingchronicity was a good site, no doubt about it and it will be missed.
But I don't have time to support such "games."


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From: amaryll <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) SB cancelled
Date: 11 Jul 2001 15:18:54 -0400

hi- the santa's bf gig has been cancelled- check my page for details

http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/cavendish/


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From: StingUs - Karel Van Isacker <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Lightning, thunder and rain over Athens ... & Sting 11/07/2001
Date: 12 Jul 2001 14:03:04 +0200

After an enjoyable travel on Sabena, a tiring travel in Athens busses and
temperature reaching 38, my friend Ioanna and myself finally arrived at our
appartment in Athens.  As it took me almost 3 hours to come from the airport
to "home", we had to rush as the "Rockwave Festival" in the Olympic Stadium
started at 19.00 and gates opened at 18.00.  Lucky for us, the Greek time
interpretation is very lenient so actually we had plenty of time to look
around and .... this was for sure the youngest audience i have ever seen
attending a Sting concert (or maybe it was because Pix Lax was performing?
..... no no no, Ioanna says it's definitely for Sting's cute a..) ... and
let's not forget this: security check was ... well ... wasn't to be seen nor
to be felt.  People got in with Digital cameras, video cameras, and bottles of
retsina, ouzo and tsipouro (who believes the last part of this is of course
fooled) ;-) and even two very attentive dogs got in for FREE!  (one left after
Roxanne though).

Now, the performing artists were:
20:00 Onar: This is the band formed by the younger brother of the Pix Lax
bandleader.  They were quite unexperienced but gave a very nice short 25
minutes set.  I believe they will score later on ...
(weather conditions: very sunny)
20:30 Pix Lax: This is one of the topbands from Greece and this could
obviously be heard by the loud cheering of the crowd.  Although we expected
that they would sing a duet with Sting on Fields of Gold later that evening,
that didn't happen ... but we would get a nice surprise anyway later on that
evening.
(weather conditions: getting cloudy)
22:15 Robert Plant: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh and aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
... Robert"s voice was perfect this evening, he gave a GREAT performance
backed up by his band Strange Sensation.  They mainly covered old hits but did
this in an outrageous extraordinary way.  This was back to the 15 mins songs
as was usual in the seventies.  Great great great.  (Jeff, I couldn't do it
but i succeeded in something else) (weather conditions: lightning and thunders
in the distance)

and then .... waiting waiting waiting as it took the technicians almost an
hour to make everything ready and this didn't really please the otherwise very
calm and patient Greek audience.

Exactly at 23:40 it started.  Sting was in a very good mood when coming
onstage.  "Geia sas Athina" and several times "Efxaristooooooo".
Kipper wore a very very yellow shirt, you could see him from 2 miles away :-)
and he was obviously good mooded as well.
Jason gave a great performance again just like Chris (still has a very nice
butt according to our female neighbours) and Manu who yelled his French lyrics
to the audience ... actually funny but few Greek speak french so they got a
good pronunciation lesson.  Jeff Young was himself, singing almost unaudible.
Dominic did it again, he did that acoustic jamming on his guitar during
Englishman in NY which gives it a nice "extra".

The band was great as you can see and we were in for more ... follow the
setlist:

If You Love Somebody Set Them Free
After The Rain Has Fallen / We'll Be Together
Perfect Love... Gone Wrong
All This Time
Trellos Gia Sena (Mad about you in Greek and this with Giorgos Dalaras who
came on stage to perform with his guitar and sing the Greek lyrics just like
they did the night before in Thessaloniki if not mistaken)
Seven Days
Fill Her Up
Fields Of Gold
Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic
Englishman In NY
Roxanne (in the middle of this all hell broke out in the sky, rain thunder and
lighting, we had it all, and guess what almost no-one left, but instead
started to dance in the rain, it gave everything a very nice "cachet" and made
us all enjoy the whole thing even more)
Desert Rain (immediate and very loud response, this is a favourite over here
as well)
Bring On The Rain / When The World Is Raining Down... (great great great)
Encore 1
If I Ever Lose My Rain In You
Every Drop of Rain You Take
Encore 2
Fragile ("on and on the rain will fall like tears from a star ...")
"Athiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeena, efxaristooo" (no thanks for
listening blah blah blah)

And again Were not played:
A Thousand Years
Moon Over Bourbon Street
Brand New Day
Message In A Bottle

As you can see, we did enjoy ourselves a lot.  LJB, the luggage is safe and
well at LBB&LGG's home, LJG you were missed just like LAB ...  Alain, la
prochaine fois, tu viens avec.  Ioanna, s'epsaxna pantou, mipos kai katalabo
pia eisai....mipos evgales fotografies???xi!xi! Deb, next time be there,
Angie, the same!  DB, i gonna kill you ,-))  Martin, card will be sent, and
for all those i forgot or didn't mention, we love you!

Bye for now!
Ioanna kai Karelaki


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From: StingUs - Karel Van Isacker <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Lightning, thunder and rain over Athens ... & Sting 11/07/2001
Date: 12 Jul 2001 14:03:19 +0200

After an enjoyable travel on Sabena, a tiring travel in Athens busses and
temperature reaching 38, my friend Ioanna and myself finally arrived at our
appartment in Athens.  As it took me almost 3 hours to come from the airport
to "home", we had to rush as the "Rockwave Festival" in the Olympic Stadium
started at 19.00 and gates opened at 18.00.  Lucky for us, the Greek time
interpretation is very lenient so actually we had plenty of time to look
around and .... this was for sure the youngest audience i have ever seen
attending a Sting concert (or maybe it was because Pix Lax was performing?
..... no no no, Ioanna says it's definitely for Sting's cute a..) ... and
let's not forget this: security check was ... well ... wasn't to be seen nor
to be felt.  People got in with Digital cameras, video cameras, and bottles of
retsina, ouzo and tsipouro (who believes the last part of this is of course
fooled) ;-) and even two very attentive dogs got in for FREE!  (one left after
Roxanne though).

Now, the performing artists were:
20:00 Onar: This is the band formed by the younger brother of the Pix Lax
bandleader.  They were quite unexperienced but gave a very nice short 25
minutes set.  I believe they will score later on ...
(weather conditions: very sunny)
20:30 Pix Lax: This is one of the topbands from Greece and this could
obviously be heard by the loud cheering of the crowd.  Although we expected
that they would sing a duet with Sting on Fields of Gold later that evening,
that didn't happen ... but we would get a nice surprise anyway later on that
evening.
(weather conditions: getting cloudy)
22:15 Robert Plant: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh and aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
... Robert"s voice was perfect this evening, he gave a GREAT performance
backed up by his band Strange Sensation.  They mainly covered old hits but did
this in an outrageous extraordinary way.  This was back to the 15 mins songs
as was usual in the seventies.  Great great great.  (Jeff, I couldn't do it
but i succeeded in something else) (weather conditions: lightning and thunders
in the distance)

and then .... waiting waiting waiting as it took the technicians almost an
hour to make everything ready and this didn't really please the otherwise very
calm and patient Greek audience.

Exactly at 23:40 it started.  Sting was in a very good mood when coming
onstage.  "Geia sas Athina" and several times "Efxaristooooooo".
Kipper wore a very very yellow shirt, you could see him from 2 miles away :-)
and he was obviously good mooded as well.
Jason gave a great performance again just like Chris (still has a very nice
butt according to our female neighbours) and Manu who yelled his French lyrics
to the audience ... actually funny but few Greek speak french so they got a
good pronunciation lesson.  Jeff Young was himself, singing almost unaudible.
Dominic did it again, he did that acoustic jamming on his guitar during
Englishman in NY which gives it a nice "extra".

The band was great as you can see and we were in for more ... follow the
setlist:

If You Love Somebody Set Them Free
After The Rain Has Fallen / We'll Be Together
Perfect Love... Gone Wrong
All This Time
Trellos Gia Sena (Mad about you in Greek and this with Giorgos Dalaras who
came on stage to perform with his guitar and sing the Greek lyrics just like
they did the night before in Thessaloniki if not mistaken)
Seven Days
Fill Her Up
Fields Of Gold
Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic
Englishman In NY
Roxanne (in the middle of this all hell broke out in the sky, rain thunder and
lighting, we had it all, and guess what almost no-one left, but instead
started to dance in the rain, it gave everything a very nice "cachet" and made
us all enjoy the whole thing even more)
Desert Rain (immediate and very loud response, this is a favourite over here
as well)
Bring On The Rain / When The World Is Raining Down... (great great great)
Encore 1
If I Ever Lose My Rain In You
Every Drop of Rain You Take
Encore 2
Fragile ("on and on the rain will fall like tears from a star ...")
"Athiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeena, efxaristooo" (no thanks for
listening blah blah blah)

And again Were not played:
A Thousand Years
Moon Over Bourbon Street
Brand New Day
Message In A Bottle

As you can see, we did enjoy ourselves a lot.  LJB, the luggage is safe and
well at LBB&LGG's home, LJG you were missed just like LAB ...  Alain, la
prochaine fois, tu viens avec.  Ioanna, s'epsaxna pantou, mipos kai katalabo
pia eisai....mipos evgales fotografies???xi!xi! Deb, next time be there,
Angie, the same!  DB, i gonna kill you ,-))  Martin, card will be sent, and
for all those i forgot or didn't mention, we love you!

Bye for now!
Ioanna kai Karelaki


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From: [e-mail] (White, Maggie)
Subject: (police) London tix
Date: 12 Jul 2001 10:20:17 -0700

Some decent Hyde Park tickets on eBay if you're looking.....

Maggie


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From: [e-mail] (White, Maggie)
Subject: (police) S.com contest
Date: 12 Jul 2001 10:37:44 -0700

There's also a contest on Sting.com for 2 tix to the Hyde park show, but
it looks like it's only for UK folks - good luck to you.

You have to answer a stupid question to enter.

Maggie


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) misheard lyrics
Date: 12 Jul 2001 15:34:59 EDT


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I happened upon this on the Rolling Stone website today -- made me laugh!

>3. Sting, "Fields of Gold"<
>Wrong lyric: So she took her love for to graze awhile/Upon the fields of
garlic<
>Right lyric: So she took her love for to gaze awhile/Upon the fields of
barley<

They had a few more lyrics if you're interested (this is an AOL site):

http://aolsvc.aol.com/music/features/2001/theme/Lyrics/lyrics.adp

Michelle Manoni
Troy, Michigan

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>I happened upon this on the Rolling Stone website today -- made me laugh!
<BR>
<BR>>3. <B>Sting, "Fields of Gold"</B><
<BR>><I>Wrong lyric</I>: So she took her love for to graze awhile/Upon the fields of
<BR>garlic<
<BR>><I>Right lyric</I>: So she took her love for to gaze awhile/Upon the fields of
<BR>barley<
<BR>
<BR>They had a few more lyrics if you're interested (this is an AOL site):
<BR>
<BR>http://aolsvc.aol.com/music/features/2001/theme/Lyrics/lyrics.adp
<BR>
<BR>Michelle Manoni
<BR>Troy, Michigan</FONT></HTML>

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From: [e-mail] (White, Maggie)
Subject: (police) Live Aid
Date: 12 Jul 2001 17:34:01 -0700


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July 13 (Friday) is the 16th anniversary of Live Aid. How old does that
make you feel?

I still remember standing in front of a big screen TV at Costco watching
U2 while my parents shopped and then trying to tune in a radio station
which was broadcasting it while we drove home.

I'd like to wear the Live Aid shirt I bought on eBay to work tomorrow,
but it's a little too ratty looking. Oh well.

Maggie

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July 13 (Friday) is the <u>16th</u> anniversary of Live Aid. How old does
that make you feel?
<p>I still remember standing in front of a big screen TV at Costco watching
U2 while my parents shopped and then trying to tune in a radio station
which was broadcasting it while we drove home.
<p>I'd like to wear the Live Aid shirt I bought on eBay to work tomorrow,
but it's a little too ratty looking. Oh well.
<p>Maggie</html>

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From: "Jeremy ." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Live Aid
Date: 13 Jul 2001 01:21:01

<html><DIV>
<P>What is live aid ?, I seem to remember my parents telling me something about that when they were younger. I think it was some sort of old fogies music day or something ?</P>
<P>Jeremy<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>From: [e-mail] (White, Maggie)
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: [e-mail] (White, Maggie)
<DIV></DIV>To: Police <[e-mail]>
<DIV></DIV>Subject: (police) Live Aid
<DIV></DIV>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:34:01 -0700
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>July 13 (Friday) is the 16th anniversary of Live Aid. How old does that
<DIV></DIV>make you feel?
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I still remember standing in front of a big screen TV at Costco watching
<DIV></DIV>U2 while my parents shopped and then trying to tune in a radio station
<DIV></DIV>which was broadcasting it while we drove home.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I'd like to wear the Live Aid shirt I bought on eBay to work tomorrow,
<DIV></DIV>but it's a little too ratty looking. Oh well.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Maggie
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From: mvansant <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Live Aid
Date: 13 Jul 2001 14:35:28 +0200


"Jeremy " wrote:
> What is live aid ?, I seem to remember my parents telling me something
> about that when they were younger. I think it was some sort of old
> fogies music day or something ?

Hi Jeremy

Live Aid was one of the first great televisized concerts for a good
cause.
Live Aid was Bob Geldof's idea
There was a disaster going in Ethiopia Africa; where millions of people
were starving

Bob started all 1984 bringing many UK-artists together for "Band Aid" ;
Artists in UK recorded the single: "Do They Know It's Christmas?"
selling millions  and the profits were for Ethiopia.
Then there was "USA For Africa" Lionel Richie and Michael Jackson wrote
this song:  "We are the world"; and they had it recorded by a big number
of USA wellknown singers.

Following this there was held this great Live AID event, held July 13th
1985 in Wembley- London and in Philadelphia in USA.
Where many  important famous artists performed for this cause.

The Event (10 or 12 hours?) was on TV in 140 countries.

And Sting performed in Wembly together with Phill Collins and Branford
Marsalis.
Sting also jumped on Stage with Dire Straits for "Money For Nothing"

For U2 their performance was a break through...
And Sting was just great.
Phill Collins performed in both cities flying in to Philly by Concorde.

greetings
magda


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From: "Jeremy ." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Live Aid
Date: 13 Jul 2001 12:52:11

<html><DIV>
<P>H Magda</P>
<P>                I was just being silly when I wrote the email. It was more just a reply to Maggie feeling like an old person. Anyways, Magda, you know me, you have met me many times, and should know that I am old enough to have been watching Live aid. At 32, I at least hope I was old enough.... thanks for the email though</P>
<P>Jer<BR>Ps you coming to any of the upcoming shows ?<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>From: mvansant <[e-mail]>
<DIV></DIV>To: "Jeremy ." <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: (police) Live Aid
<DIV></DIV>Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:35:28 +0200
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>"Jeremy " wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> What is live aid ?, I seem to remember my parents telling me something
<DIV></DIV>> about that when they were younger. I think it was some sort of old
<DIV></DIV>> fogies music day or something ?
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi Jeremy
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Live Aid was one of the first great televisized concerts for a good
<DIV></DIV>cause.
<DIV></DIV>Live Aid was Bob Geldof's idea
<DIV></DIV>There was a disaster going in Ethiopia Africa; where millions of people
<DIV></DIV>were starving
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Bob started all 1984 bringing many UK-artists together for "Band Aid" ;
<DIV></DIV>Artists in UK recorded the single: "Do They Know It's Christmas?"
<DIV></DIV>selling millions and the profits were for Ethiopia.
<DIV></DIV>Then there was "USA For Africa" Lionel Richie and Michael Jackson wrote
<DIV></DIV>this song: "We are the world"; and they had it recorded by a big number
<DIV></DIV>of USA wellknown singers.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Following this there was held this great Live AID event, held July 13th
<DIV></DIV>1985 in Wembley- London and in Philadelphia in USA.
<DIV></DIV>Where many important famous artists performed for this cause.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>The Event (10 or 12 hours?) was on TV in 140 countries.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>And Sting performed in Wembly together with Phill Collins and Branford
<DIV></DIV>Marsalis.
<DIV></DIV>Sting also jumped on Stage with Dire Straits for "Money For Nothing"
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>For U2 their performance was a break through...
<DIV></DIV>And Sting was just great.
<DIV></DIV>Phill Collins performed in both cities flying in to Philly by Concorde.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>greetings
<DIV></DIV>magda
<DIV></DIV>
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: (police) Live Aid
Date: 14 Jul 2001 00:14:44 -0300

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At 05:34 PM 7/12/01 -0700, you wrote:
>July 13 (Friday) is the 16th anniversary of Live Aid. How old does that
>make you feel? ...
>
>Maggie

Wow! 16 years guys!  That makes me think, I'll tell ya.  Me & my best
friend in high school went over to a friends place who had Much Music to
watch the concert.  I remember the whole thing being very exciting to me at
the time -- rock stars as altuists & all of that.

Oddly, I don't remember Sting being there except with the Dire Straits tune
that he had recorded with them (I know, shame on me -- I was rather a big
fan even then).

Do any of you know if there was ever any Live Aid production brought out on
DVD?  That would be well worth the price I daresay.

Back to lurking for now...

Anne

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At 05:34 PM 7/12/01 -0700, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>July 13 (Friday) is the <u>16th</u>
anniversary of Live Aid. How old does that make you feel? ...<br><br>
Maggie </blockquote><br>
Wow! 16 years guys!  That makes me think, I'll tell ya.  Me & my best friend in high school went over to a friends place who had Much Music to watch the concert.  I remember the whole thing being very exciting to me at the time -- rock stars as altuists & all of that.<br><br>
Oddly, I don't remember Sting being there except with the Dire Straits tune that he had recorded with them (I know, shame on me -- I was rather a big fan even then).<br><br>
Do any of you know if there was ever any Live Aid production brought out on DVD?  That would be well worth the price I daresay.<br><br>
Back to lurking for now...<br><br>
Anne<br>
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From: amaryll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Live Aid
Date: 13 Jul 2001 23:10:16 -0400

i don't know, but i've got the whole thing on VHS!


on 7/13/01 11:14 PM, Jeff Smith at [e-mail] wrote:


> Do any of you know if there was ever any Live Aid production brought out on
> DVD?  That would be well worth the price I daresay.
>
> Back to lurking for now...
>
> Anne
>


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From: Richard Ryder <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) List for CDR Trading
Date: 15 Jul 2001 07:41:16 -0700 (PDT)

Hi everyone,
My list of Police & Sting recordings follows. I'll trade CDR's of these
recordings for just about anything Sting/Police related not on this
list.  Especially looking for Blue Turtles tour recordings.

Police
Date    Venue            Title                     Label/Rec #    Media
3/15/79     Kansas City    I Was Born For Success     ACS-017    1 CDR
9/27/79     New York    The Truth Hits Everybody XRek27979    1 CDR
8/22/80     Paris        Bring on The Night     TSP-CD-065    1 CDR
2/22/81     Melbourne    Wallaby                     BM 004        1 CDR*
2/8/83     Montreal    Many Miles Away         TSP-CD-116     1 CDR
6/15/86     Meadowlands, NJ Reunion Concert 1986     TSP-CD-097    1 CDR


Sting
Date     Venue        Title            Label/Rec #    Media    Notes
7/27/88     Los Angeles    The Art of the Heart    RPBX 09/10/11    3 CD
2/17/91     New York    Live USA     Imtrat 920.002            2 CD
7/21/91     Monteraux    Mont. Jazz Festival+Soul Cages Demos    2 CDR
5/31/94  Miyazki Japan    +Live Aid and N. Mandela show tracks    2 CDR
2/26/94     Meadowlands, NJ Meadowlands of Gold    AK 059        1 CD
0/0/96      TV&Radio    Union Is Strength    OXY 071            1 CD
10/27/99 Los Angeles    Brand New Day Tour    LA27            2 CDR

* "Wallaby" contains some odd but soft noises throughout that I'm not
sure are on the original recording, but this is the only copy I've
heard so I can't be sure if I just got a bad copy or what.

Let me know if you see anything your interested in, or if you have any
questions.

Rich

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From: "Giovanni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) pics on my site
Date: 15 Jul 2001 21:13:15 +0200

Hi everybody from Giovanni in Milano, Italy!
I just added a few pics taken from a friend of mine at the Sting concert in
Palmanova on 5th July; you can see Sting and Ricky Martin in one of them.
Check my site
http://www.fanzine.net/fanclubs/police/illegaltales
at the following directories:
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I will probably add some pics taken at the concert in Milano by myself in a
few days!

Ciao ciao
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From: Clarissa Aykroyd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Look what I just found on iWon.com!
Date: 15 Jul 2001 12:12:08 -0700

Thanks. That was a very good review. I am starting to feel that I
haven't truly lived until I see Sting performing somewhere like the
Pyramids or Roman ruins...how amazing would that be? "The Roman Temple
of Jupiter, whose six colossal pillars are said to be the largest
remaining in the world..."

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From: David Lucky <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Live Aid
Date: 15 Jul 2001 18:43:53 -0700 (PDT)

I read a post about Live Aid and I remember listening
to Nina Blackwood (MTV DJ without a clue) and she was
shocked and couldnt figure out why Sting was up with
Dire Straits doind money for nothing (Gee I wonder was
he on that record?).  Sting 's performance was subdued
and classy with Branford on Sax and Sting on the black
fender 6 string  and wearing all white (no backing
band).

I actually am old enough to say I went to the concert
- alas I was at the Philly show which didnt have Sting
but was still good - although extremely hot!  Phil
Collins was did both shows and actually played the
same song at both shows which I couldnt figure out why
he did that - they showed most of the London show on
the big screens in Philly. Anyway, my recollections.




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From: "Anne Robinson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Sting in Lebanon
Date: 16 Jul 2001 09:59:31 -0400











 Sunday July 15 7:15 AM ET
 Sting Heats Up Lebanon's Famed Baalbek Festival








 BAALBEK, Lebanon (Reuters) - British rock star Sting burst into the majestic
 Roman ruins of Baalbek with two electrifying weekend concerts that sent a crowd
 of some 4,500 people dancing, cheering and singing.


 ``How nice to be in Lebanon,'' Sting told the enthusiastic crowd. ``What a
 wonderful venue.''


 As part of a world tour to promote his recent cross-cultural album ``Brand New
 Day,'' Sting played an energetic set against the purple-lit backdrop of the
 Roman Temple of Jupiter, whose six colossal pillars are said to be the largest
 remaining in the world.


 Sting's appearance at the two sold-out performances on Friday and Saturday
 nights at the Baalbek International Festival -- a month-long music, theater and
 dance festival -- had drawn criticism from some purists who feared that pop
 acts would commercialize the prestigious arts festival.


 But a 4,500-strong audience of music-lovers of all ages and from all
 backgrounds greeted the former Police frontman and his six-member band with a
 deafening standing ovation.


 Sting's latest album, acclaimed for its global flavor, includes the world hit
 ``Desert Rose'' -- a duet with Algerian artist Cheb Mami, using Arabic lyrics
 and instruments.


 Sting began and ended an uninterrupted set with songs from ''Brand New Day,''
 but performed a selection that spanned much of his almost quarter-century
 musical career, including old favorites like ``Every Breath You Take'' and
 ``Roxanne'' from his former band, the Police.


 But the biggest hit with the audience wild was ``Mad About You'' which started
 with: ``A stone's throw from Jerusalem. I walked a lonely mile in the moonlight
 and though a million stars were shining my heart was lost on a distant
 planet... I'm mad about you.''


 Baalbek -- a divided town where part of the population earns its living from
 growing cannabis while others have made it a bulwark of Muslim fundamentalism
 -- was festive, peaceful and alive as streams of cars and fans descended on it.


 Thousands of foreign tourists flocked to Baalbek every year for what was the
 Middle East's most spectacular festival until the 1975-1990 civil war brought
 it to a halt.


 For some years after the war the festival could not return, as Baalbek, located
 in Lebanon's eastern Bekaa Valley, was controlled by the Shi'ite Muslim
 Hizbollah guerrilla group. The festival was resurrected in 1997, fulfilling a
 dream that organizers had kept alive through the war years.


 ``I dedicate these (last) two songs to the people of Lebanon who have been
 through years of war and look at you, how lovely you are,'' Sting said as he
 concluded his concert on Saturday night.














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From: Allan Sibaja <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Stewart Copeland - Oysterhead
Date: 16 Jul 2001 07:57:48 -0600

Hello everyone
  Can anyone tell me where I can find the Oysterhead CD ??




Ing. Allan Sibaja Alvarado
Encargado de Soporte Tecnico y Comunicaciones
Grupo Comeca S.A.
Escazu, San Jose.
Costa Rica.
Tel [phone]
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (police) pics on my site
Date: 16 Jul 2001 11:48:45 EDT

Oooooh, thanks Giovanni! I like the flowered shirt he's got going there!

Michelle

In a message dated 7/15/01 2:57:20 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>Hi everybody from Giovanni in Milano, Italy!
>
>I just added a few pics taken from a friend of mine at the Sting concert
>in
>
>Palmanova on 5th July; you can see Sting and Ricky Martin in one of them.
>
>Check my site
>
>http://www.fanzine.net/fanclubs/police/illegaltales
>
>at the following directories:
>
>-sting news
>
>-every breath you e-mail
>
>
>
>I will probably add some pics taken at the concert in Milano by myself
>in a
>
>few days!
>
>
>
>Ciao ciao
>
>       Giovanni
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (White, Maggie)
Subject: (police) B-day
Date: 16 Jul 2001 11:21:17 -0700

Well, no one's posted anything, so maybe everyone knows, or perhaps
everyone has forgotten:

Happy 49th birthday to Stewart.

Maggie


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) I could scream
Date: 16 Jul 2001 14:14:06 EDT


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Oh I am so mad right now,

I e-mailed our local radio station here (WMMR in Philly)  and requested a
block of the police.  I told the DJ I was sitting here looking at my cublicle
decorated with pics of Sting and wanted to hear "I burn for you."  Later they
announced that there would be a block of police at 8:20pm.  I figured there
was no way they would two in one day so I left and went to lunch.  Don't you
know he played the block and announced my name and that I was a big Sting fan
with the walls of my cubicle decorated with Sting!  The worst part is I didnt
hear it.  Oh I am so mad....

I just had to vent.

Heather

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Oh I am so mad right now,
<BR>
<BR>I e-mailed our local radio station here (WMMR in Philly)  and requested a
<BR>block of the police.  I told the DJ I was sitting here looking at my cublicle
<BR>decorated with pics of Sting and wanted to hear "I burn for you."  Later they
<BR>announced that there would be a block of police at 8:20pm.  I figured there
<BR>was no way they would two in one day so I left and went to lunch.  Don't you
<BR>know he played the block and announced my name and that I was a big Sting fan
<BR>with the walls of my cubicle decorated with Sting!  The worst part is I didnt
<BR>hear it.  Oh I am so mad....
<BR>
<BR>I just had to vent.
<BR>
<BR>Heather</FONT></HTML>

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From: "Todd Wulfmeyer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Police snipets from the Killing Joke mailing list
Date: 16 Jul 2001 14:38:01 -0500

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I thought some of you might want to see these comments about the Police =
being mentioned on the Gathering (the Killing Joke mail list) lately. =
Nothing really all that interesting except acknowledgment
and praise of the value of Message In A Box. Coming from often very =
critical Killing Joke fans (me being one ; ) ) this is an anomaly. They =
are as follows: =20
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<<I like the box sets that compare with what the Police put out:
everything and then some.>>

<<For a start, drooling trainspotterly Police fans will astutely point =
out that MESSAGE IN A BOX, the Police Box Set -- despite advertising the =
contrary -- was actually *INCOMPLETE* (by its own admission in the inner =
booklet, it's lacking a revamped `86 rendition of "The Truth Hits =
Everybody" and the Japanese & Spanish versions of "De Do Do Do, De Da =
Da". >>
<<OK, it's a cheap shot but exactly how do those lyrics translate? ;>)>>

<<Yes i think the police box set could be described as definative>>

<<<Also to prove you're point about the best box sets being those done =
without
the help of the band, the police box was disowned by sting who said it
should be sold in a Coffin shaped box!>>

There you have it. Anyway, are there any other Police fans into Killing =
Joke perusing this list? Any gatherers lurking over police@xmission=20
raise your glass high to a happy b day for grampa Stewart !

Todd
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In A=20
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advertising the=20
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about=20
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police=20
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shaped=20
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There you have it. Anyway, are there any other Police=20
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Message in a Box
Date: 16 Jul 2001 16:28:39 EDT

Why did Sting condemn it?


     I know he doesn't want to get The Police back together, but come on...

                   -Dave (Man in a Suitcase)

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Smith)
Subject: (police) Stewart's Day!!
Date: 16 Jul 2001 18:01:41 -0300

Hello guys!

A very happy day to Stewart -- he my be 49, but he seems very young at
heart.  I look up to him for this reason especially(among many other
reasons to be a big Stewart fan).

Does anyone know if we are able to send greetings to him??  There was an
e-mail address when the Kryptone site was running.

Bye for now,

Anne



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From: "Todd Wulfmeyer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) more Police/Sting/Killing Joke
Date: 16 Jul 2001 16:44:15 -0500

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This time the comments are in reference to a new Perry Farrel album =
review=20
<<you must have read the interview in the times.
spookily enough in light of our recent thread, they described it as =
Killing
Joke meets sting (if i've understood it )

i always thought that kj & sting would sound pretty much like kj's early
reggae stuff animal, nervous system etc, but i doubt that thats what the
reviewer had in mind>>

<<Killing Joke meeting Sting?
I would have hoped it would have sounded like 4 blokes giving a winny =
blond
tosser a well deserved kicking in the fleshy bits.
The Soul Cages, jeepers that man deserves a hungry rat inserting for the
title alone!>>

Well that last comment is rudely critical, innit.
Despite the harsh criticism
the new Perry Farrel album sounds intriguing to this fan of both the =
Police and Killing Joke!


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would sound=20
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From: "Giovanni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Date: 17 Jul 2001 01:38:52 +0200

HAPPY BIRTHDAY STEWART!
Does it sounds silly if I say everybody 'HAPPY BIRTHDAY STEWART'!
I think that if I tell you all, it's more or less like telling it to
Stewart! Don't get me wrong, I am not mad; it's just another good way to =
be
part of this list!
Ciao ciao
        Giovanni


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Da: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]Per conto di Jeff Smith
Inviato: luned=EC 16 luglio 2001 22.52
A: [e-mail]
Oggetto: (police) Stewart's Day!!


Hello guys!

A very happy day to Stewart -- he my be 49, but he seems very young at
heart.  I look up to him for this reason especially(among many other
reasons to be a big Stewart fan).

Does anyone know if we are able to send greetings to him??  There was an
e-mail address when the Kryptone site was running.

Bye for now,

Anne



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From: "Giovanni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: R: (police) more Police/Sting/Killing Joke
Date: 17 Jul 2001 01:38:42 +0200

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Hi everybody from Giovanni, mega-fan of Killing Joke!
I used to collect Killing Joke as well as Police stuff, and still have a lot
of Killin Joke stuff; I really like them a lot!
It sounds great to hear that the Farrel album is a mixture of Police/Sting
and KJ; I even like some of the Farrel stuff as singer for Porno For Pyros
as well as some Jane's Addiction stuff of course; WOW, I really have to get
that album!
There is a song from Porno For Pyros that could have been a Police song, a
beautiful song, but I don't remember the title!
I do suggest everybody the Killing Joke 'Pandemonium' album, that doens't
sound like Sting at all, but there a lot of interesting music on it, from
ethno to hard, from dance to rock and pop, and an energy that would kill
everything!
I remember that Jaz Coleman, singer from Killing Joke, said he recorded the
voice of the song 'Exorcism' into a Pyramid in Egypt, because only there he
could find the real vibe he needed for that song!
He even worked with the Musicians of the Nile and Ann Dudley (from Art of
Noise) on a solo project based on eyptian music!
Killing Joke early stuff in 1981has a lot of reagge influence; Youth, the
great bassist player who produced the first album, later became the GOD of
dub production in UK, working on projects like The ORB and many other
dub-dance acts!
WE ALL LOVE THOSE BASSLINES, STING AND POLICE FANS!
Ciao ciao
                    Giovanni


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  <<you must have read the interview in the times.
  spookily enough in light of our recent thread, they described it as
Killing
  Joke meets sting (if i've understood it )

  i always thought that kj & sting would sound pretty much like kj's early
  reggae stuff animal, nervous system etc, but i doubt that thats what the
  reviewer had in mind>>

  <<Killing Joke meeting Sting?
  I would have hoped it would have sounded like 4 blokes giving a winny
blond
  tosser a well deserved kicking in the fleshy bits.
  The Soul Cages, jeepers that man deserves a hungry rat inserting for the
  title alone!>>
  -----------------------------------------------------------

  Well that last comment is rudely critical, innit.
  Despite the harsh criticism
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Police and Killing Joke!


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everybody from Giovanni, mega-fan of Killing Joke!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D980474722-16072001>I used=20
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Killin=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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and KJ;=20
I even like some of the Farrel stuff as singer for Porno For Pyros as =
well as=20
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album!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D980474722-16072001>There=20
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a=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D980474722-16072001></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D980474722-16072001>I do suggest everybody the =
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all, but=20
there a lot of interesting music on it, from ethno to hard, from =
dance to=20
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everything!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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remember that Jaz Coleman, singer from Killing Joke, said he recorded =
the voice=20
of the song 'Exorcism' into a Pyramid in Egypt, because only there he =
could find=20
the real vibe he needed for that song!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D980474722-16072001>He=20
even worked with the Musicians of the Nile and Ann Dudley (from Art =
of=20
Noise) on a solo project based on eyptian music! =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D980474722-16072001>Killing Joke early stuff in 1981has a lot of =
reagge=20
influence; Youth, the great bassist player who produced the first album, =
later=20
became the GOD of dub production in UK, working on projects like The ORB =
and=20
many other dub-dance acts! </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D980474722-16072001>WE ALL=20
LOVE THOSE BASSLINES, STING AND POLICE FANS!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D980474722-16072001>Ciao=20
ciao</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D980474722-16072001>       &nbs=
p;           =20
Giovanni</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>This time the comments are in reference to a new Perry =
Farrel album=20
  review </DIV>
  <DIV>------------------------------</DIV>
  <DIV><<you must have read the interview in the =
times.<BR>spookily enough=20
  in light of our recent thread, they described it as Killing<BR>Joke =
meets=20
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sting=20
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Stews email
Date: 16 Jul 2001 23:42:13 EDT

 [e-mail]

This is it, he has a team of workers who help run this site. I have spoken to
them once when they answered a question for me. Just to see, I put him in my
buddy list and they log on almost every day

Hope this helps

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) History for Mon July 16th
Date: 17 Jul 2001 01:16:07 -0500


a day late,along with Stew's birthday .....




                  Today in History



- 1983: "Every Breath You Take," by the Police, peaked at #1 on the
  pop singles chart. It topped the chart for eight weeks.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (police) more Police/Sting/Killing Joke
Date: 16 Jul 2001 19:00:14 EDT

Actually the Perry Farrell album got a right old slating from The Times. The
reviewer did not like the album at all. It was an amusing read though ("What
is it with western rock stars who try their hand at world music? The worst
exemplars seem to have patented a kind of assumed mystical identity that
(they hope) gives them a veneer of credibility and an air of mysticism, but
which too often adds up to no more than overtreated vocals, a burst of
panpipe and some tabla if you're lucky... (on Farrell's album) the result is
an overprogrammed hotchpotch, at times sounding like early U2, at others like
Killing Joke, with Sting thrown in for good measure...").

Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me. Different, maybe...

Ian

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From: "Morris, Donald T." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Sting's choice of beverages
Date: 20 Jul 2001 09:49:49 -0400

Hello all,

I was browsing Yahoo's Sting pictures, and came across the one provided in
the link below.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20010718/en/turkey_sting_ist102.html

Does anyone on the list have an idea what Sting's beverages are on stage?

Anything to wake the list up,
Don in Sunny Florida

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From: David Cowlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Police Live in '80 & '81 cd's
Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:14:08 -0700 (PDT)

Hey folks,

I have a couple original bootleg cd's I thought I'd
offer to the first people interested ...

1) The Police - Live Paris 1980 1cd
2) The Police - Live Wallaby, 3/16/81 Melbourne,
Australia 1cd (I think the same as the "Evolution"
bootleg).

Check out:
http://www.ecowlin.com/policeforsale.html

These are great sounding live cd's, each a soundboard
recording.

I have duplicates of each of these, and I'm offering
each for $13 + $3 US shipping.  Click on the link
below to see pics:
http://www.ecowlin.com/policeforsale.html

If interested, email me at [e-mail] and let
me know which (or both) cd's you'd like.

I accept Paypal, m.o., or check.  I have an excellent
ebay rating (check out cowlin2 on ebay).  Any one
interested should email me [e-mail].

Thanks!


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From: "Hilary Justh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) Sting's choice of beverages
Date: 20 Jul 2001 21:54:21 -0400

Hello,

Typically they seem to be water and/or tea plus the throat spray.  Once
during a show at the Beacon (NYC) during the Soul Cages tour someone in the
audience yelled asking him what was in the mug and he replied "tea" to which
the audience member yelled "yeah, right".  He then pondered how to prove to
the guy that it was tea and finally pulled the tea bag out of the cup.  At
several other stops on that tour Sting had various people bring tea out to
him (mostly Danny and a couple of times his "tea lady", Trudie, somewhere I
have a picture of this from another show that I was at).  During the Mercury
Falling tour Danny gave me one of Sting's Evian bottles (which I still
have...which I am sure could have been prime fodder for Fan Club) along with
a guitar pick.

Hilary
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:49 AM


> Hello all,
>
> I was browsing Yahoo's Sting pictures, and came across the one provided in
> the link below.
>
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20010718/en/turkey_sting_ist102.html
>
> Does anyone on the list have an idea what Sting's beverages are on stage?
>
> Anything to wake the list up,
> Don in Sunny Florida
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Dominic Miller Group On Yahoo
Date: 22 Jul 2001 17:21:03 EDT


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Just wanted the members to know, I have taken down my Dominic Miller list.
Once a new CD is out, I can put it back up.  But for now, it is down.

Judy

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Just wanted the members to know, I have taken down my Dominic Miller list.
<BR>Once a new CD is out, I can put it back up.  But for now, it is down.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Stewart news
Date: 22 Jul 2001 23:48:59 EDT

I was reading the current issue of Maxim and I found a review for a video
game. It says, blah blah blah, "...and the brooding soundtrack by former
Police man Stewart Copeland keeps things moving when game play bogs down a
bit."

The game is called Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare and is for PS,DC,PC.

I haven't played the game but I wonder what the music sounds like. How does
Stew find all of the time to do so much work? Even with all the work, I bet
he makes 1/10 of what the Stinger makes.

Cheers

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) A Femail.co.uk article from m
Date: 23 Jul 2001 05:51:28 +0100 (BST)

How Fragile we are  : O(

George Harrison 'close to death'
Former Beatle George Harrison has admitted that he expects to die soon from cancer.

Full Story:
http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/standard/article.html?in_article_id=61825&in_page_id=2

23 July 2001
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From: Martin Vauchel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Montreux review, third attempt..
Date: 23 Jul 2001 08:57:27 +0200

Hi All

I just got back from Montreux, Lucky Me!!!! :-)
Great time.

We arrive by car from France with my very good friend Fabien at 5PM just to
meet with the gang alreadt there since a while!!! Fred, Andrea, Jeremy,
Debs, Andy, Paul, Estelle, Christophe, Jerome, sorry for the one I forgot...
I hoped to met Rudiger as I believed he was coming, but no chance... Anyway,
most of the hardcore fans were there!!! Karel... When will I meet you??? OH
my god you should I've been there...

First word by fellow Jeremy were: "Show totally different tonight, 100%
sure"...
First Heart attack...
I won't tell more about what the guys and girls waid to us before to get in,
anyway we were all thrilled. I was coming with the idea it would be a
classic show, not wanting to expect to much of Sting. Of course I was
expecting something special but I couldn't believe he would do it... For
your memories, yesterday Montreux gig was the exact 10 anniversary of the
Montreux acoustic contrux from 91, which is for many fans the best sting
show ever...

We add a great time talking to the friends before to get in, realising how
much things costs in switzerland, ouch!!! :-) The hard part for me was to
stand a long time to reach the front as my back was terribly hurting me and
that a headache got me too...

After a silly rush in a terrible never ending stairs we finally reach the
concert hall, just to realize that nobody will have front row because of
Montreux staff seating on the floor to get a safe place for photographers
and video cameras as all Montreux shows are taped for video. We were quite
all stuck in there and it was beginning to be hot... I had two pils to cure
the headache (you certainly don't care, I was... :-).

Jeff Beck did his set... he's just great, plays so well, but as Jer summed
it up "I like him but I wanna see Sting now". Wise words from the wise
man...

Then, right on time, Sting came... With no loud keyboards and darkness, just
him and his bass... Oh!!! I forgot to say there were a real piano on stage
as well as a pedal steel!!! :-)
He reached the mike under the screams and said something that sounded like
this:

"Hi all, thanks you , blah bla bla...
First I want to say that it's a great honor for me to perform after Jeff
Beck, he is one of my favorite musician of all time " Big sheers from the
audience...
"And also that we are very proud to play the Montreux Jazz Festival.
We've been now touring for almost 2 years, and tonight we wanna try
something new. That's why we'll begin the show very quietly, and it will
need that you stay quiet, I know you're the kind of audience for those
experiments..." LOUD LOUD Sheer!!!
"this first song is called a thousand years"

And then Jason began a solo introduction on piano. Sting add is bass,
dominic acoustic guitar, sat on a chair. Kipper on keyboards, Chris, Manu as
usual, and Jeff Young on backing vocals...
They slipped in a very very soft acoustic version of a thousand years, sting
almost whispering the words... Man, I couldn't believe my ears... after the
firt chorus they began an instrumental parts and Sting launch the bass line
to perfect love gone wrong... Still so soft, so gentle, so jazzy... They all
seemed to be in heaven on stage, and we were in the audience... No rap part
(for god's sake!!!) and they slipped back into a thousand years to end this
terrific first number... UNBELIEVABLE... I mean, this is not a bad joke, it
really happened, many people can testify!!! :-)
After they laucnch a very long intro of all this time... Was played
greatly... And BJ cole, the pedal steel player that gueted in Royal Albert
Hall, played on most of the tracks, really really nice... Then Mad about
You, with a sort of clavecin (don't know the english word) in place of the
trumpet solo... seven days, fill her up, fields of gold... All those sounded
pretty much like on the rest of the tour with the addition of the pedal
stell, which was very nice...
No need to say that after a so incredible begenning we felt a bit
disapointed by the way the things were turning... Then every little thing
she does is magic... Oh No.. Please Sting, don't do that!!! And he heard!!!
:-)

"So now we are going to play so songs that we never played on stage (lier)
before, Anyway, that's no excuse... This song is called Big Lie Small
World..."""

True!!! And Dominic started very gently on the guitar... "I sat down..."
They seemed to have some difficulties but it sounded awesome. Just the idea
of having this in the set was terrific anyway!!! Manu Katche started to hit
the drums very heavely in the end, launching the band really strong and
having a great moment for him, at last!!! It was great great great...
And then...
Ghost story..................................
Just before they had to lauch the counrty part after the bridge, they dived
into:
I'm so happy I can't stop dreaming!!!
The pedal steel was nice, saving the fact we would have prefered another
song for sure...

After that it turned back to be pretty a normal show. Which was so
frustrating. No brand new day, no shape of my heart, no message in a bottle,
no cheb mami. The last killing news was that they were supposed to play
Dienda after fragile and that Sting made a sign to Jason saying that they
won't in the last seconds...

Here is the setlist as I can remember it:

a thousand years / perfect love
all this time
mad about you
seven days
fill her up
fields of gold
every little thing she does is magic
big lie small world
ghost story / I'm so happy
moon over bourbon street
englishman in new york
roxanne
desert rose
Bring on the night / when...

If I ever lose
every breath you take

Fragile

no if you love somebody, no after the rain / we'll be together...
I dforgot to say that they did the excellent jazz part for englishman, as
they did in the last today show. Also when the world solo was kinda hot
hot...
Sting let Chris Botti play is note for years without stoping him in bourbon
street when he usually come to him to see what happen... Chris stopped, near
cardiac attack and came to Sting saying "you bastard" (this is Fred's
excellent notions of lips reading that gave us this historical
sentence!!!)...

When we were finally expecting something spectacular, we all got out a bit
frustrated... Of course I would die in the minute If wouldn't have been
there (lol...) but we were so enthousiastic at the first song that it should
have stopped there!!!

After the show we lost each other, than met again outside to have meal and
drinks!!! Montreux was just FULL of people... We gave so singing lessons to
swiss people but they didn't like it!!! :-) It was a great time...

Finally at 2AM, Fabien and me had a warm goodbye to the gang, see you next
time all of you... And we drove to the hotel in Lausanne to get some sleep,
at last!!!

Most of the others were heading to Zurich for today, you crazy people. I
personnaly have my correct dose of BND shows...

For all of you heading to Dublin, Cardiff and London, have a great time!!!

Karel, we were so disapointed you couldn't see this with us...

Now I going back to sleep while you won't be able to close an eye tonight!!!
:-)

Take all care and see you again!!!
Martin



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Stingchronicity Withdrawal
Date: 23 Jul 2001 14:26:34 EDT


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Is it just me, or is anyone else suffering from Stingchronicity withdrawal? I
have to admit that I hoped the website would be up and running again by now.
I didn't really believe they would "take it off the air" for good. Anyone
else have feelings about this? Do you think we will see Stingchronicity rise
again? Or should I just give it up?
                                                             KIM

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Is it just me, or is anyone else suffering from Stingchronicity withdrawal? I
<BR>have to admit that I hoped the website would be up and running again by now.
<BR>I didn't really believe they would "take it off the air" for good. Anyone
<BR>else have feelings about this? Do you think we will see Stingchronicity rise
<BR>again? Or should I just give it up?
<BR>                                                             KIM</FONT></HTML>

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From: David Ostinga <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) <no subject>
Date: 24 Jul 2001 10:45:10 +1000

Hi all!

Just a quick note to say thje Sting.com site has all videos quicktime many
of which I've now seen for the first time.

I suppose you all know this but it was great for me as quicktime seems to
work the best for apple

Best wishes

David


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From: "Ross Viner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) So Lonely cover
Date: 23 Jul 2001 22:22:47 -0700

A few weeks back someone posted a GREAT So Lonely cover. The song was by
"Brian ???/  I don't know the last name.  Can someone tell me?

Thanks


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (police) Stingchronicity Withdrawal
Date: 24 Jul 2001 08:40:53 EDT


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No, it isn't just you -- a lot of us are dying out here!  But don't bank on
them starting up the site again.  Frankly, in light of all the trouble
they've had in the last 6 months or so I don't blame them!  But I, too, miss
it tremendously.  They did us all a great service!

Michelle Manoni
Troy, Michigan

In a message dated 07/23/2001 8:15:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:


>
> Is it just me, or is anyone else suffering from Stingchronicity withdrawal?
> I
> have to admit that I hoped the website would be up and running again by
> now.
> I didn't really believe they would "take it off the air" for good. Anyone
> else have feelings about this? Do you think we will see Stingchronicity
> rise
> again? Or should I just give it up?
>                                                             KIM



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>No, it isn't just you -- a lot of us are dying out here!  But don't bank on
<BR>them starting up the site again.  Frankly, in light of all the trouble
<BR>they've had in the last 6 months or so I don't blame them!  But I, too, miss
<BR>it tremendously.  They did us all a great service!
<BR>
<BR>Michelle Manoni
<BR>Troy, Michigan
<BR>
<BR>In a message dated 07/23/2001 8:15:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<BR>[e-mail] writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>Is it just me, or is anyone else suffering from Stingchronicity withdrawal?
<BR>I
<BR>have to admit that I hoped the website would be up and running again by
<BR>now.
<BR>I didn't really believe they would "take it off the air" for good. Anyone
<BR>else have feelings about this? Do you think we will see Stingchronicity
<BR>rise
<BR>again? Or should I just give it up?
<BR>                                                            KIM</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
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From: "Morris, Donald T." <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (police) Stingchronicity Withdrawal
Date: 24 Jul 2001 08:49:12 -0400

I agree 110%.  I have MASSIVE Stingchronicity withdrawal.  Sting.com just
doesn't cut the mustard.  Maybe it will one day.  Maybe Sting.com should
collaborate with Dave & Wendy.

We all miss Stingchronicity.co.uk...

Don in Rainy, Wet Florida

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:41 AM


No, it isn't just you -- a lot of us are dying out here!  But don't bank on
them starting up the site again.  Frankly, in light of all the trouble
they've had in the last 6 months or so I don't blame them!  But I, too, miss

it tremendously.  They did us all a great service!

Michelle Manoni
Troy, Michigan

In a message dated 07/23/2001 8:15:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:





Is it just me, or is anyone else suffering from Stingchronicity withdrawal?
I
have to admit that I hoped the website would be up and running again by
now.
I didn't really believe they would "take it off the air" for good. Anyone
else have feelings about this? Do you think we will see Stingchronicity
rise
again? Or should I just give it up?
                                                           KIM






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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Dublin GIG
Date: 24 Jul 2001 13:18:47 -0500



Hi Gang ,

Anybody going to the concert tomorrow evening in Dublin and interested in
meeting up ?
Give us a shout ...

Jason from Ireland

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From: "Giovanni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Chris Botti birthday
Date: 24 Jul 2001 22:59:48 +0200

Hi everybody from Giovanni.
A friend of mine asked me if I knew Chris Boti date of birth; does anybody
knows it? I don't, but I want to help my friend.
Thanks everybody!
Ciao ciao
        Giovanni




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (police) Chris Botti birthday
Date: 24 Jul 2001 19:37:48 EDT

Hi Giovanni,

Not official, but I read this on a message board--- it's reported as October
12, 1962. I only remembered that date as it's the same as my sister's
birthday. Odd thing is that her wedding anniversary is Sting's birthday!

Ta ta for now,
Michelle


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>Hi everybody from Giovanni.
>
>A friend of mine asked me if I knew Chris Boti date of birth; does anybody
>
>knows it? I don't, but I want to help my friend.
>
>Thanks everybody!
>
>Ciao ciao
>
>       Giovanni

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From: David Ostinga <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Stingchronicity withdrawal
Date: 25 Jul 2001 10:15:53 +1000

I don't share your views re: Stinchronicity.com

I think if "Dave" & "Wendy" want to take their bat and ball and go home
which they did with their web site and with the list well so be it. If you
can't take a few knocks at sea well then you're better off heading for
shore.

Very prima donna stuff.

What if Sting gave up every time someone said he was shit- which obviously
must happen from time to time.

I think its childish and your reaction is what is intended.

If this hate mail triggered it off they should publish it. It must come from
somewhere and surely it can be traced. They should fight on. They've
obviously got the backing of the majority and you're always going to get
someone having a go at you.

Plus Sting.com seems to be improving with time.

2c worth


David O


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Subject: (police) Read immideatly! Warning! Virus!
Date: 25 Jul 2001 09:34:45 -0300

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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Anybody going to the concert tomorrow evening in Dublin and interested in
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From: "Todd Wulfmeyer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Fw: DEN Alert: Oppose the Slash-and-Burn Energy Bill
Date: 25 Jul 2001 11:09:46 -0500


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:14 AM


> DEN Alert:
> Urge Your Representative to Oppose the Slash-and-Burn Energy Bill
>
> Your U.S. representative is about to cast several of the most
> important environmental votes of the year. They will affect
> cherished landscapes and wildlife across the country and the air we
> breathe and the water we drink. The House of Representatives is
> about to debate a  "slash-and-burn" energy bill that is dramatically
> out of step with the views of the majority of the American people
> and is packed with subsidies for big oil and coal. The bill would
> mandate drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and boost
> oil and gas exploration on other public lands.  And even where oil
> and gas drilling is allowed, the House energy bill would drastically
> reduce protections for wildlife such as grizzly bears, mule deer
> and pronghorn, as well as other natural resources.
>
> America deserves a balanced energy policy that protects our
> environment and provides for long-term energy security.  The House
> bill fails to provide real solutions to address our energy needs.
> In fact, the bill lets automakers sell cars that are even less fuel
> efficient than the ones they are  voluntarily producing today.
> Experts know that if we raised fuel economy standards to 40 miles
> per gallon, we could save 3 million barrels of oil a day. That's
> more oil than we could get by drilling in the Arctic refuge, off
> the California coast and the Persian Gulf combined.
>
> WHAT YOU CAN DO:
>
> Send a free fax to your representative urging support for a truly
> balanced energy plan for our nation. The vote on the House floor
> may come as early as TUESDAY, JULY 31, so please send your fax
> TODAY. Thanks for supporting a balanced policy that will offer
> real relief for consumers and protect our environment, including
> the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
>
>
> INSTRUCTIONS TO RESPOND VIA THE WEB:
>
> If you have access to the web, simply click on the link below which
> will take you to the DEN Action Center web site:
>
>                         http://www.denaction.org
>
>
>
> SAMPLE LETTER:
>
> Dear Representative,
>
> I am very concerned about the expected vote in the U.S. House of
> Representatives on the energy bill.  As a constituent, I am writing
> to urge you to OPPOSE the energy bill with its massive subsidies
> for big oil and coal, decreased protections for wildlife and
> drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
>
> While I support a balanced energy policy, the House energy bill
> will do little to address America's energy needs and will wreak
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Date: 28 Jul 2001 20:25:12 +0100

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Hi guys... It has been a long time but I'm back now... :)
Date: 29 Jul 2001 18:53:44 +0200

The thing I wanted you guys to know is that there is a interview with Jack Bruce on this adress "http://wwww.allaboutjazz.com/iviews/jbruce.htm" That mentions Andy and the Police and the band he and Andy has... Visit it and read a really interesting interview...

Bye,
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From: amaryll <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Santa's BF- new songs up- Water Rats gig -
Date: 30 Jul 2001 01:13:03 -0400

Hi!

I would love to hear from anyone going to the SB gig Monday at Water Rats-
reviews of the show, any new songs played, encounters with the band, joe's
socks, how ollie is doing,
photos,  any newspaper reviews etc for my web page.
I've also added some new song clips on the front and the CD page.
check it out, and please let me know how the show goes so i can post it for
those of us who are unable to attend!
thanks and have a great time!!!!
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From: "Lior Vernia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) A perhaps childish question
Date: 30 Jul 2001 08:33:06 +0200

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guitarist; Andy Summers or Dominic Miller? I know this is just a stupid =
contest, because I shouldn't be thinking in terms of better and things =
like that, but anyone wants to share their opinion on the matter at =
hand? :-)

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Police days he was), although he has some exceptions (especially Message =
In A Bottle and Every Breath You Take, amazing guitar playing). And =
Dominic Miller seems more of a finger style player, and I don't think I =
even need to mention Shape Of My Heart and Fields Of Gold...

Well, anyone wants to share their opinion? I think I'm more of an Andy =
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From: "Maartje Most" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) A perhaps childish question
Date: 30 Jul 2001 13:25:31 +0200

Then I┤m more of a Dominic person. He just makes a real show of it (so did
Andy..), and his playing kind of 'fits' Sting better.
Indeed, a weird question, but also interesting..
Maartje

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>Reply-To: "Lior Vernia" <[e-mail]>
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>Subject: (police) A perhaps childish question
>Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:33:06 +0200
>
>Hey everyone!
>
>I've just woken up this morning, and I started wondering who's a better
>guitarist; Andy Summers or Dominic Miller? I know this is just a stupid
>contest, because I shouldn't be thinking in terms of better and things like
>that, but anyone wants to share their opinion on the matter at hand? :-)
>
>Andy Summers is more of a chord player I think (well, at least in The
>Police days he was), although he has some exceptions (especially Message In
>A Bottle and Every Breath You Take, amazing guitar playing). And Dominic
>Miller seems more of a finger style player, and I don't think I even need
>to mention Shape Of My Heart and Fields Of Gold...
>
>Well, anyone wants to share their opinion? I think I'm more of an Andy
>Summers person... :-)
>
>Lior.


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From: "Greg Danielak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) A perhaps childish question
Date: 30 Jul 2001 10:59:16 -0700

This isn't a childish question at all, I think it is very interesting
actually to compare them and make a decision...

Andy has played in literally every style one can think of - latin rock
(early 70's), English R & B (Zoot Money Era), jazz, punk, reggae, he even
studied classical guitar for 4 years. The dude has been around since the
beginning of rock 'n' roll. He has gotten to the point were he can play
exactly what he hears in his head. His sense of rhythmic placement is so
sensitive that he makes alot of guitar players seem irrelevant. He is the
chordal, musical coloring king.

Dominic is a righteous player all himself - we've heard his solo work and
arrangements to Sting's songs. His nylon-string playing is superb. Dominic
seems to be the better fit for Sting's current ideas because he seems
happier complimenting Sting than Andy did when he realized the direction the
Police was going in. He said once that "I think when [Sting] saw that I
could interpret his harmonies in my own innate way that I was comfortable
with, he was comfortable with that.  It showed him that there was someone
that could bring something to the table other than what he already knows.
So he had a chance to nurture me as a guitarist, which he did."  He has his
own individual style, so he's a strong player. He is a direct offspring of
the Andy Summers-style of guitar, saying 'When I play electric guitar, I
like to color the songs.'

Therefore, it is hard to say who is 'better' - Andy may be more experienced,
sure, but that does not count Dominic out, because he can hold his own. They
simply are themselves as players.

It's almost like asking 'who's better? Segovia or Hendrix?'.. um, both were
awesome! Segovia started modern guitar but that doesn't mean Hendrix is
worse.

Ya see?

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From: David Ostinga <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) A perhaps childish question
Date: 31 Jul 2001 09:06:14 +1000

Nice explanation Greg.

It was a question which caught my attention being a guitarist too.

My answer is however Andy Summers. Its a bit unfair though since I don't
know Dominiques solo work. Though from the Police I was always interested to
follow Andy's solo stuff and this hasn't been the case with Domonique.

I shook Domoniques hand and now I've met Andy and I was more rreverent of
Andy.

For me he's the legend and the more quirky of the two which appeals though I
think Greg's answer to this question is a more fairer balanced one.

DAvid


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From: Clarissa Aykroyd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) A perhaps childish question
Date: 30 Jul 2001 16:15:02 -0700

I do think Dominic is a great guitarist and I love the fingerpicking
style, especially on songs like Shape of my Heart. However, I think that
when you're dealing with a solo artist, the contributions by the
musicians who work with the solo artist tend to be less individual than
the contributions of each member of a "band." I'm one of a minority
(perhaps) who loves Sting's solo work more than the Police, but I think
that when I listen to Sting what I'm hearing is HIS vision more than
anything else. Even though Sting was the dominant member of the Police
and became increasingly dominant over each album, I think you're hearing
something more individual and more creative from Andy and Stewart than
from any of the musicians who work with Sting (though that's not always
true--the jaw-dropping percussion on Wild Wild Sea, for instance). So I
think I would go with Andy. I only have one of his solo albums, Green
Chimneys, but I like it a lot (though I'm not really a jazz person) and
I should check out the others. By the way, maybe someone can recommend
which others I should try? Andy reminds me of the Edge. They both seem
to be into color washes of sound. It's often difficult to find a solo by
either of them (Andy more than the Edge, I think). You almost don't
notice them--they just create an organic whole. But they are incredibly
innovative and individual musicians and if they were gone, boy would you
miss them. There are lots of people who think that, though Bono is the
big mouth and always in the forefront and the cutest one in the band and
he has the gorgeous voice and writes interesting and beautiful lyrics,
the Edge is really the one who holds the band together and is more
responsible for the music than anyone else.

Oh yeah--this was supposed to be about Andy and Dominic :)

Clarissa

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Subject: Re: (police) A perhaps childish question
Date: 30 Jul 2001 21:22:30 EDT

I found it quite interesting that in the middle of reading some Police list mail about Andy and Dominic I should come upon mention of the Edge just as Van Dieman's Land off of Rattle and Hum came up on my playlist...  Anyways, I got to thinking... Sting was always so hung up with how far the Police could go and how they'd reached the highest mark possible so they might as well quit.  I believe that he sighted the Rolling Stones as a good example of why they should stop while they were ahead.  But look at U2.  They've reached almost every goal possible and even created some new ones just by reinventing themselves and by "keeping it real" so to speak.  Sure Bono can be a little too flashy at times, but I can't help but imagine what the Police would have reached if only they had taken a similar path.  I think that if the Police would've stayed together, they would've been more like U2 than the Rolling Stones.  And briefly back to Sting's comment on when he should "move on" becaus!
e he's doing nothing new and has
 reached the highest plateau... I think that if he heeded his own motto he should've stopped a while ago.  He obviously makes his best music in times of crisis and I don't think he has much left in him.  Why not "move on and try something new"...  Don't get me wrong, I still love the man, but I think it would've been great to see the Police around still making great inovative music like U2 than Sting flying on autopilot...

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From: Clarissa Aykroyd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) A perhaps childish question
Date: 30 Jul 2001 19:58:43 -0700



[e-mail] wrote:

>  reached the highest plateau... I think that if he heeded his own motto he should've stopped a while ago.  He obviously makes his best music in times of crisis and I don't think he has much left in him.  Why not "move on and try something new"...  Don't get me wrong, I still love the man, but I think it would've been great to see the Police around still making great inovative music like U2 than Sting flying on autopilot...

I dunno...I was one of those people who loved Brand New Day. Still do
though I haven't listened to it as much of late. I know everyone's a bit
sick of Desert Rose but to me that song in itself shows me that he's
still got plenty left...and I would rather listen to Sting on autopilot
than most artists at their very best. I would love another Soul Cages
but most musicians (or writers, or whatever) only come up with one such
masterpiece in their life. Whatever Sting puts out next, I'm looking
forward to it.

And I have to say I'm one of those people who disliked Zooropa and Pop,
I thought they were quite unworthy of U2. But maybe they needed to put
out those records to come back to something as straightforward (though
completely wonderful) as the new album...

Clarissa

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From: "Greg Danielak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) The Edge + album recommendations
Date: 30 Jul 2001 20:01:58 -0700

    Did somebody say The Edge?
    That dude is one of my favorite guitar players ever. There are things he
plays on some of the older U2 albums that are just heart-stopping. He's so
open-minded to experimentation - he's a music lover, first and foremost.
He's a great example of what happens if you just be yourself as a player and
believe in yourself.

 As for what Andy Summers album I would recommend to people interested in
his solo stuff, I would recommend 'The Golden Wire" from 1990. That's a
beautiful album which was nominated for a Grammy, actually. Critics say that
it is his 'best' work. It was the album that really got me into his playing.
It is a very moody, subdued album dripping with sensitivity and texture.

Get "Mysterious Barricades" (1988) if you like mood/new age music...

"Charming Snakes" from 1990 is also cool - it's a fun record with really
steamy 'fusion' tunes, and Andy likes to revamp alot of songs from this
album.

"World Gone Strange" (1991) is a more laid-back, calm, bluesy album.

"Synaesthesia" from 1996 is one of my most favorite, but I don't think it's
for everybody... to someone who's not used to exotic harmony and stuff like
that, some songs are very challenging to listen to. Overall, it's one of his
best, I think. There's a song on there which is only Andy playing on the
piano. I like this album very much, but like I said...

Some people think that the album after that one, "Last Dance Of Mr. X"
(1997) is his best because that's the one he really returned to 'jazz'-esque
playing with.

That's not every album he ever put out, you see, but I just thought I'd slip
in a few more because it wouldn't hurt. If you have Shockwave and want to
check out some clips of Andy's solo stuff, go to
http://www.andysummers.com/sounds.html

And about Sting, well... all I'm going to say is, remember what he said when
he finished the Emperor's New Groove song - he's run out of ideas and he
needs to get refreshed.
May I suggest a Police reunion?  ;)

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From: "Michele Petri" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) sting  on conan  tonight
Date: 30 Jul 2001 23:43:12 -0400

nbc will be airing  a re-run of  sting on the conan show  tonight   ,  this
was was filmed the same day as the last today show gig   :O)

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From: "Anne Robinson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (police) sting on conan tonight
Date: 31 Jul 2001 09:19:16 -0400


don't know who else saw this but oh my gosh was it funny!!!!




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Subject: Re: (police) A perhaps childish question
Date: 31 Jul 2001 10:01:00 EDT


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Hi Clarissa,

Thanks for your posts -- I agree wholeheartedly with you about Sting's music
-- I personally really like his solo career.  I agree, too, that "Soul Cages"
was amazing, and continue to love and enjoy all his music.

I'm not sure that Sting could have followed the same path as U2, as much as
others would have liked to see; what seems to be forgotten is Sting's
personality and drive, and how it not only fed the group's creativity, but
led to it's demise.  The combination of the three was it's success and
failure!  I don't think it could have gone any other way, personally.  We all
have our paths to become what we are, whether or not we know it at the time.
We can only follow what we feel is right at the time, which obviously Sting
did.

I'm with you, as much as I love and listen to other bands, soloists and
styles of music, I still love Sting's the best.  It moves me in ways no one
else's does!

Michelle Manoni
Troy, Michigan


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>
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >  reached the highest plateau... I think that if he heeded his own motto
> he should've stopped a while ago.  He obviously makes his best music in
> times of crisis and I don't think he has much left in him.  Why not "move
> on and try something new"...  Don't get me wrong, I still love the man, but
> I think it would've been great to see the Police around still making great
> inovative music like U2 than Sting flying on autopilot...
>
> I dunno...I was one of those people who loved Brand New Day. Still do
> though I haven't listened to it as much of late. I know everyone's a bit
> sick of Desert Rose but to me that song in itself shows me that he's
> still got plenty left...and I would rather listen to Sting on autopilot
> than most artists at their very best. I would love another Soul Cages
> but most musicians (or writers, or whatever) only come up with one such
> masterpiece in their life. Whatever Sting puts out next, I'm looking
> forward to it.
>
> And I have to say I'm one of those people who disliked Zooropa and Pop,
> I thought they were quite unworthy of U2. But maybe they needed to put
> out those records to come back to something as straightforward (though
> completely wonderful) as the new album...
>
> Clarissa
>
>



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Hi Clarissa,
<BR>
<BR>Thanks for your posts -- I agree wholeheartedly with you about Sting's music
<BR>-- I personally really like his solo career.  I agree, too, that "Soul Cages"
<BR>was amazing, and continue to love and enjoy all his music.
<BR>
<BR>I'm not sure that Sting could have followed the same path as U2, as much as
<BR>others would have liked to see; what seems to be forgotten is Sting's
<BR>personality and drive, and how it not only fed the group's creativity, but
<BR>led to it's demise.  The combination of the three was it's success and
<BR>failure!  I don't think it could have gone any other way, personally.  We all
<BR>have our paths to become what we are, whether or not we know it at the time.
<BR>We can only follow what we feel is right at the time, which obviously Sting
<BR>did.
<BR>
<BR>I'm with you, as much as I love and listen to other bands, soloists and
<BR>styles of music, I still love Sting's the best.  It moves me in ways no one
<BR>else's does!
<BR>
<BR>Michelle Manoni
<BR>Troy, Michigan
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>In a message dated 07/30/2001 10:58:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<BR>[e-mail] writes:
<BR>
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<BR>[e-mail] wrote:
<BR>
<BR>>  reached the highest plateau... I think that if he heeded his own motto
<BR>he should've stopped a while ago.  He obviously makes his best music in
<BR>times of crisis and I don't think he has much left in him.  Why not "move
<BR>on and try something new"...  Don't get me wrong, I still love the man, but
<BR>I think it would've been great to see the Police around still making great
<BR>inovative music like U2 than Sting flying on autopilot...
<BR>
<BR>I dunno...I was one of those people who loved Brand New Day. Still do
<BR>though I haven't listened to it as much of late. I know everyone's a bit
<BR>sick of Desert Rose but to me that song in itself shows me that he's
<BR>still got plenty left...and I would rather listen to Sting on autopilot
<BR>than most artists at their very best. I would love another Soul Cages
<BR>but most musicians (or writers, or whatever) only come up with one such
<BR>masterpiece in their life. Whatever Sting puts out next, I'm looking
<BR>forward to it.
<BR>
<BR>And I have to say I'm one of those people who disliked Zooropa and Pop,
<BR>I thought they were quite unworthy of U2. But maybe they needed to put
<BR>out those records to come back to something as straightforward (though
<BR>completely wonderful) as the new album...
<BR>
<BR>Clarissa
<BR>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (police) Copelands
Date: 31 Jul 2001 15:17:07 EDT

Some stuff about the Copeland brothers:

   I was shocked that Rolling Stone magazine didn't list Stewart in their
birthday section this year!  Does this mean... he's... 'over'?   They had
Corey Feldman for July 16th!  But no Stu!  The injustice!  :O

   Someone had mentioned Ian's book 'Wild Thing'.  I saw this in a local
dollar store recently, and they had several copies that didn't appear to be
going anywhere.  If anyone on the list needs this book, check your local
dollar store, and if you don't find it, I'd be glad to pick one up for you
and send it for $1 + the postage.  I'm in Pennsylvania.

   Miles is quoted several times in the latest Rolling Stone #875 with 'NSync
on the cover, pages 25 & 26.  'What's Wrong with Radio' is about the sterile
top-40 programming on US radio and the 'payola' money that record companies
have to pay to get their songs played.

    Finally, how can I hear the Copelands' radio show, Sibling Rivalry?  It
sounds interesting, but apparently my only option is to subscribe to some
weird radio satellite service, which sounds expensive.  Could anyone who
lives there tape it and perhaps make copies for hapless Pa-dwellers?  :)

Tina

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From: "Jane Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (police) Ok Sting fans...
Date: 31 Jul 2001 23:43:31 -0400

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Jane

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